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Late Saturday Night Jester Chat: "The Endgame is Underway" 10/19/2014 0 Comments Jester's  Place: [Jester] HI EVERYONE... NICE TO SEE YOU... DWIM WHAT IS YOUR QUESTION? [DWIM] So. Was trying to think thru last night's convo re UST in-house n Fed out-house (so to speak). And what the implications are. [Jester] DWIM WELL THAT IS A COMPLICATED QUESTION... YOU CANNOT START IN THE MIDDLE.. [DWIM] Seems to me that in the end, it's all wrapped up in the exchange rate. And that's set by / thru the upcoming Basel accords. [Jester] YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT CAUSED IT OR YOU WILL NOT UNDERSTAND THE ANSWER.... .... [DWIM] Have read / seen the vids re 10:1 loan etc etc. [Jester] DWIM NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE VIDEO BY THAT DEFINITION... YOU CAN BRING IT IN IF YOU LIKE... [DWIM] Sorry. Was referring to the FED history, how deposits provide for a factor of 10:1 loan ability, etc. Just can't seem to remember the titling of these references you've posted for so long here. [Jester] OK... SO WHAT WILL YOU LIKE TO KNOW... THE EFFECT TO US... NOTWITHSTANDING WHAT CAUSED IT... RIGHT? [DWIM] Yep. [Jester] WE WILL PAY MORE FOR EVERYTHING... IF YOU CAN AFFORD IT... [Jester] TOLD YOU IT WOULD NOT MAKE SENSE.... HAHAHAHA [Goose] Jester Can't believe prices now [Jester] Goose YOU AIN'T SEEM NOTHING YET... WHEN THE INFLATION WE HAVE EXPORTED FOR DECADES GET HEADED BACK OUR WAY IT WILL BE A TRAGEDY.. [DWIM] Yes. Understand, N inflation takes effect as well. But [DWIM] Taking a few further steps, wouldn't that start to bring mfg back in-house? [Jester] DWIM HOW LONG DO YOU SUPPOSE IT WILL TAKE TO GET ALL THAT STARTED BACK UP? [diditrvyeet] Jester that would imply carter days? [DWIM] Jester AT least the rest of my life (which I'd say isn't all THAT long). But thinking of legacy n what we've left for our kids n gkids. [Jester] OK... LETS TAKE A BIT OF TIME TO EXPLORE THIS FROM THE BIG PICTURE STANDPOINT... TRUST ME IT WILL MAKE BETTER SENSE... [Jester] THIS WILL TAKE A BIT OF TIME... [DWIM] I like big picture n drill down as details r needed for further response. [Jester] OK... DOLLAR UP... GOLD DOWN... WHY? [Lulu] Oil down [DWIM] Rhetoric ?, right? [Jester] DWIM NOPE... LEGITIMATE QUESTION.... I DO NOT DO RHETORICAL.. [hopen4it] Dropping of price of gold props up value of dollar [Pilgrim] to reduce China's reserve value?? Just a guess [DWIM] K. Dollar is what gov'ts hold as their asset backing. Also hold gold. Relative worth of assets being adjusted. That what u r looking for? [diditrvyeet] price of our debt [Goose] The brics [hopen4it] They are both being manipulated [Jester] OK.. LOTS OF GOOD THOUGHTS... BUT THINK ABOUT THIS... THIS DOES NOT MEAN DOLLAR IS STRONG.... THE DOLLAR IS THE RESERVE... [Jester] LOTS OF NATIONS CANNOT COMPETE BECAUSE THE US PRINTS MONEY AT WILL AND THEY CANNOT... [DWIM] Yes n that's at least partly what's brought about BRICS. [DWIM] So that brings about a re base lining of the reserve onto more than just USD being the reserve basis, at least that's where this looks like it's going. [Jester] SO THEY TRY TO USE THE DOLLAR AS A HEDGE AGAINST WHATEVER ELSE THEIR ISSUE IS... [Jester] BUT THERE ARE MANY OUT THERE ALREADY THAT HAVE GOT OVER IT AND ARE TAKING THAT SCENARIO AWAY... RUSSIA AND CHINA AND OTHERS ARE ALREADY TRADING WITHOUT THE DOLLAR... [DWIM] Yes, That's what's meant by re base lining': The currently sole reserve of the USD (which only WE can print) onto additional currencies that are used as reserve as well. [Jester] DWIM BASEL III IS A WESTERN PRODUCTION... KEEP THE THOUGHT BUT IF THAT IS YOUR ONLY THOUGHT THEN YOU WILL NOT GET IT... [DWIM] K. Got it. [Jester] BECAUSE THERE IS A SERIOUS DISCONNECT RIGHT NOW ON WHO WILL BE IN CHARGE... [Jester] YOU MIGHT AS WELL START THINKING OF IT AS EAST VS WEST... AND THE EAST IS NOT UNDER THE WEST’S CONTROL ANYMORE... [DWIM] Yes, looks like there will be multiple organizations in 'charge', [Jester] DWIM NOT THE WAY I SEE IT BUT PLEASE LET ME TELL YOU WHY... [DWIM] Yep. I'm there. K. Listening now. [Jester] YOU ASKED A QUESTION... A VERY COMPLICATED QUESTION... LET ME TRY TO GIVE YOU THE ANSWER AS I SEE IT... [Jester] AND I AM TRYING TO ATTACH THE ANSWER TO THE BIG PICTURE THAT YOU ALL CAN SEE IS CLEARLY UNDERWAY AT THIS TIME... [Jester] OK SO THE WEST IS PRINTING MONEY TO STAVE OFF INFLATION... HAS BEEN FOR A LONG TIME... AND RIDING ON THE BACK OF THE OTHER COUNTRIES... [Jester] SO LETS SAY THE US IS EXPORTING DEBT FOR LACK OF A BETTER EXPLANATION... THERE IS MATH INVOLVED BUT THAT IS NOT SO IMPORTANT AS YOU JUST TAKE IT FOR WHAT IT IS... DEFICITS EACH YEAR AND COVERED BY BONDS... ETC. ETC.... [Jester] THAT IS US GOVT DEBT BTW.... JUST TO BE CLEAR... [Jester] WHICH JUST TO BE CLEARER... IS WHAT YOUR TAXES GO TO PAY... [Jester] THE NUMBERS ARE PROBABLY HIGHER THAN WHAT THEY REPORT... THEY FUDGE THEM TO MAKE THEM LOOK BETTER.. [Jester] OK... SO WHAT HAPPENS... [Jester] THE OTHER COUNTRIES REALIZE THIS.. THEY ARE NOT STUPID... [Jester] BUT THEY HAVE NOT HAD A VIABLE ALTERNATIVE UP UNTIL NOW... [Jester] SO... NOW YOU HAVE COUNTRIES STARTING TO WORKING WITH EACH OTHER WITHOUT THE DOLLAR... [Jester] AN EXAMPLE... YUAN SWAP FACILITIES... WHERE COUNTRIES CAN USE THE YUAN TO SETTLE THE TRADE DEBT USING THE YUAN INSTEAD OF THE DOLLAR... [Jester] THERE ARE SOME 20 OR SO COUNTRIES DOING THIS... [Jester] AND THE COUNTRIES DOING THIS MIGHT SURPRISE YOU... HOW ABOUT JAPAN... AUSTRALIA... ENGLAND... GERMANY... JUST TO MENTION SOME WESTERN COUNTRIES IN ADDITION TO THE SEVERAL ASIAN COUNTRIES... [Jester] NOW THIS IS WITH CHINA... BUT IN CASE YOU DID NOT NOTICE CHINA SURPASSED THE US AS THE LARGEST VOLUME TRADER OF IMPORTS AND EXPORTS IN THE WORLD A WHILE BACK... [Jester] SO OKAY... THEY ARE DOING IT ALL WITHOUT THE DOLLAR...  [Jester] SO... NOW LESS DOLLARS ARE USED FOR TRADE SETTLEMENT... AND NOW... THE OTHER COUNTRIES SAY... WE DON'T LIKE TO HAVE ANY MORE BONDS EITHER... [diditrvyeet] Jester our leaders have to know this too [Jester] HOW IS THE US GOING TO BRING IN IMPORTS? [Jester] THE US IMPORTS AROUND HALF OF THE GOODS... HOW WE GOING TO DO THAT IF THE OTHER COUNTRIES SAY... WE DO NOT WANT TO BE PAID IN TREASURY BILLS OR BONDS ANY MORE? [Jester] HOW WE GOING TO SUPPLY WHAT WE NEED FORM IMPORTS? [Goose] Jester have to use oil or credits [Jester] YOU SEE THE DIFFERENTIAL SHIFT HERE? [Jester] Goose VERY SMALL AMOUNT OF COLLATERAL THERE... [Jester] AND THEY ARE NOT LOOKING TO COVER YOU... LISTEN ON... [Jester] SO THE DOLLAR IS NOT SO LIKED OR WANTED... THE NATIONS ARE ALREADY DEVELOPING AN AVERSION TO TAKING THE DOLLAR... [Jester] SO... YOU HAVE A FEDERAL RESERVE NOTE... FALLING APART AT THE SEAMS...THE THEORETICAL REPLACEMENT AT THE UST WILL BE THE USN... [Jester] SO THE FRN FALLS SOME 30% MAKING IT AROUND 40% MORE EXPENSIVE TO IMPORT... [Jester] NOW... WE WILL HAVE TO SEE HOW THEY PLAN TO IMPLEMENT THE USN... HOW THAT HOLDS UP WILL BE BASED ON HOW THEY IMPLEMENT IT... [Jester] IF THEY MANAGE TO INSTITUTE IT AS GOLD BACKED AS THEY ARE TRYING TO THEN THAT SHOULD HOLD UP OKAY BUT NOT SO FAST... THERE ARE OTHER FACTORS AND IT COULD START OFF ON A HARD FOOT TOO... DO NOT ASSUME EVERYTHING WILL BE HUNKY DORY... THAT IS NOT FOR SURE... [Jester] THE US MIGHT START TRYING TO EXPORT THINGS WE NEED HERE TO MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE... AND THAT WILL COMPLICATE THE SITUATION... [Jester] SO... WHO PAYS? [gbs] we do [Jester] GUESS WHAT... YOU STILL PAY FOR IT... OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS OR DECADES WE WILL STILL HAVE TO BRING THE LEDGER INTO BALANCE...... [Jester] I PREDICT SOME SHORTAGES... THAT IS WHY I HAVE SAID TO HAVE A CAN OF BEANS ON HAND JUST IN CASE... YOU DO NOT LIKE TO BE OUT THERE BEATING YOUR BRAINS OUT WITH THE REST OF THE YO-YOS THAT DO NOT KNOW ANY OF THIS.. [Jester] YOU KNOW... IF YOU DO NOT PREPARE THEN YOU HAVE NO ONE TO BLAME BUT YOURSELF... [Goose] Jester So true [Jester] IF IT DOES NOT GET TO THAT POINT THEN DONATE A FEW CANNED GOODS TO THE HOMELESS AT CHRISTMAS... HAHAHAHA [Jester] I WILL SAY THIS... AND I AM NOT DOING THIS FROM ANY SORT OF PEDESTAL.... [Jester] I HAVE BEEN RIGHT SO FAR... WE ARE STILL HERE... WHAT IF I AM RIGHT ABOUT THIS TOO... JUST SAYING... [Jester] IF YOU BELIEVE THAT YOUR GOVERNMENT WOULD NEVER DO THIS TO YOU THEN KEEP DRINKING THE FLUORIDATED WATER KOOL-AID... HAHAHAHAHA [gbs] Jester it sounds like we need much more than 6mos worth? [Jester] gbs I KIND OF DOUBT THAT... THINGS SHOULD LEVEL OUT... BUT WHO KNOWS... [gbs] ok thanks [DWIM] FWIW, people I've talked to measure in terms of 2-3 months. That's what we've planned for. Late Saturday Night Jester Chat: "The Endgame is Underway" 10/19/2014 0 Comments Jester's  Place: [Jester] HI EVERYONE... NICE TO SEE YOU... DWIM WHAT IS YOUR QUESTION? [DWIM] So. Was trying to think thru last night's convo re UST in-house n Fed out-house (so to speak). And what the implications are. [Jester] DWIM WELL THAT IS A COMPLICATED QUESTION... YOU CANNOT START IN THE MIDDLE.. [DWIM] Seems to me that in the end, it's all wrapped up in the exchange rate. And that's set by / thru the upcoming Basel accords. [Jester] YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT CAUSED IT OR YOU WILL NOT UNDERSTAND THE ANSWER.... .... [DWIM] Have read / seen the vids re 10:1 loan etc etc. [Jester] DWIM NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE VIDEO BY THAT DEFINITION... YOU CAN BRING IT IN IF YOU LIKE... [DWIM] Sorry. Was referring to the FED history, how deposits provide for a factor of 10:1 loan ability, etc. Just can't seem to remember the titling of these references you've posted for so long here. [Jester] OK... SO WHAT WILL YOU LIKE TO KNOW... THE EFFECT TO US... NOTWITHSTANDING WHAT CAUSED IT... RIGHT? [DWIM] Yep. [Jester] WE WILL PAY MORE FOR EVERYTHING... IF YOU CAN AFFORD IT... [Jester] TOLD YOU IT WOULD NOT MAKE SENSE.... HAHAHAHA [Goose] Jester Can't believe prices now [Jester] Goose YOU AIN'T SEEM NOTHING YET... WHEN THE INFLATION WE HAVE EXPORTED FOR DECADES GET HEADED BACK OUR WAY IT WILL BE A TRAGEDY.. [DWIM] Yes. Understand, N inflation takes effect as well. But [DWIM] Taking a few further steps, wouldn't that start to bring mfg back in-house? [Jester] DWIM HOW LONG DO YOU SUPPOSE IT WILL TAKE TO GET ALL THAT STARTED BACK UP? [diditrvyeet] Jester that would imply carter days? [DWIM] Jester AT least the rest of my life (which I'd say isn't all THAT long). But thinking of legacy n what we've left for our kids n gkids. [Jester] OK... LETS TAKE A BIT OF TIME TO EXPLORE THIS FROM THE BIG PICTURE STANDPOINT... TRUST ME IT WILL MAKE BETTER SENSE... [Jester] THIS WILL TAKE A BIT OF TIME... [DWIM] I like big picture n drill down as details r needed for further response. [Jester] OK... DOLLAR UP... GOLD DOWN... WHY? [Lulu] Oil down [DWIM] Rhetoric ?, right? [Jester] DWIM NOPE... LEGITIMATE QUESTION.... I DO NOT DO RHETORICAL.. [hopen4it] Dropping of price of gold props up value of dollar [Pilgrim] to reduce China's reserve value?? Just a guess [DWIM] K. Dollar is what gov'ts hold as their asset backing. Also hold gold. Relative worth of assets being adjusted. That what u r looking for? [diditrvyeet] price of our debt [Goose] The brics [hopen4it] They are both being manipulated [Jester] OK.. LOTS OF GOOD THOUGHTS... BUT THINK ABOUT THIS... THIS DOES NOT MEAN DOLLAR IS STRONG.... THE DOLLAR IS THE RESERVE... [Jester] LOTS OF NATIONS CANNOT COMPETE BECAUSE THE US PRINTS MONEY AT WILL AND THEY CANNOT... [DWIM] Yes n that's at least partly what's brought about BRICS. [DWIM] So that brings about a re base lining of the reserve onto more than just USD being the reserve basis, at least that's where this looks like it's going. [Jester] SO THEY TRY TO USE THE DOLLAR AS A HEDGE AGAINST WHATEVER ELSE THEIR ISSUE IS... [Jester] BUT THERE ARE MANY OUT THERE ALREADY THAT HAVE GOT OVER IT AND ARE TAKING THAT SCENARIO AWAY... RUSSIA AND CHINA AND OTHERS ARE ALREADY TRADING WITHOUT THE DOLLAR... [DWIM] Yes, That's what's meant by re base lining': The currently sole reserve of the USD (which only WE can print) onto additional currencies that are used as reserve as well. [Jester] DWIM BASEL III IS A WESTERN PRODUCTION... KEEP THE THOUGHT BUT IF THAT IS YOUR ONLY THOUGHT THEN YOU WILL NOT GET IT... [DWIM] K. Got it. [Jester] BECAUSE THERE IS A SERIOUS DISCONNECT RIGHT NOW ON WHO WILL BE IN CHARGE... [Jester] YOU MIGHT AS WELL START THINKING OF IT AS EAST VS WEST... AND THE EAST IS NOT UNDER THE WEST’S CONTROL ANYMORE... [DWIM] Yes, looks like there will be multiple organizations in 'charge', [Jester] DWIM NOT THE WAY I SEE IT BUT PLEASE LET ME TELL YOU WHY... [DWIM] Yep. I'm there. K. listening now. [Jester] YOU ASKED A QUESTION... A VERY COMPLICATED QUESTION... LET ME TRY TO GIVE YOU THE ANSWER AS I SEE IT... [Jester] AND I AM TRYING TO ATTACH THE ANSWER TO THE BIG PICTURE THAT YOU ALL CAN SEE IS CLEARLY UNDERWAY AT THIS TIME... [Jester] OK SO THE WEST IS PRINTING MONEY TO STAVE OFF INFLATION... HAS BEEN FOR A LONG TIME... AND RIDING ON THE BACK OF THE OTHER COUNTRIES... [Jester] SO LETS SAY THE US IS EXPORTING DEBT FOR LACK OF A BETTER EXPLANATION... THERE IS MATH INVOLVED BUT THAT IS NOT SO IMPORTANT AS YOU JUST TAKE IT FOR WHAT IT IS... DEFICITS EACH YEAR AND COVERED BY BONDS... ETC. ETC.... [Jester] THAT IS US GOVT DEBT BTW.... JUST TO BE CLEAR... [Jester] WHICH JUST TO BE CLEARER... IS WHAT YOUR TAXES GO TO PAY... [Jester] THE NUMBERS ARE PROBABLY HIGHER THAN WHAT THEY REPORT... THEY FUDGE THEM TO MAKE THEM LOOK BETTER.. [Jester] OK... SO WHAT HAPPENS... [Jester] THE OTHER COUNTRIES REALIZE THIS.. THEY ARE NOT STUPID... [Jester] BUT THEY HAVE NOT HAD A VIABLE ALTERNATIVE UP UNTIL NOW... [Jester] SO... NOW YOU HAVE COUNTRIES STARTING TO WORKING WITH EACH OTHER WITHOUT THE DOLLAR... [Jester] AN EXAMPLE... YUAN SWAP FACILITIES... WHERE COUNTRIES CAN USE THE YUAN TO SETTLE THE TRADE DEBT USING THE YUAN INSTEAD OF THE DOLLAR... [Jester] THERE ARE SOME 20 OR SO COUNTRIES DOING THIS... [Jester] AND THE COUNTRIES DOING THIS MIGHT SURPRISE YOU... HOW ABOUT JAPAN... AUSTRALIA... ENGLAND... GERMANY... JUST TO MENTION SOME WESTERN COUNTRIES IN ADDITION TO THE SEVERAL ASIAN COUNTRIES... [Jester] NOW THIS IS WITH CHINA... BUT IN CASE YOU DID NOT NOTICE CHINA SURPASSED THE US AS THE LARGEST VOLUME TRADER OF IMPORTS AND EXPORTS IN THE WORLD A WHILE BACK... [Jester] SO OKAY... THEY ARE DOING IT ALL WITHOUT THE DOLLAR...  [Jester] SO... NOW LESS DOLLARS ARE USED FOR TRADE SETTLEMENT... AND NOW... THE OTHER COUNTRIES SAY... WE DON'T LIKE TO HAVE ANY MORE BONDS EITHER... [diditrvyeet] Jester our leaders have to know this too [Jester] HOW IS THE US GOING TO BRING IN IMPORTS? [Jester] THE US IMPORTS AROUND HALF OF THE GOODS... HOW WE GOING TO DO THAT IF THE OTHER COUNTRIES SAY... WE DO NOT WANT TO BE PAID IN TREASURY BILLS OR BONDS ANY MORE? [Jester] HOW WE GOING TO SUPPLY WHAT WE NEED FORM IMPORTS? [Goose] Jester have to use oil or credits [Jester] YOU SEE THE DIFFERENTIAL SHIFT HERE? [Jester] Goose VERY SMALL AMOUNT OF COLLATERAL THERE... [Jester] AND THEY ARE NOT LOOKING TO COVER YOU... LISTEN ON... [Jester] SO THE DOLLAR IS NOT SO LIKED OR WANTED... THE NATIONS ARE ALREADY DEVELOPING AN AVERSION TO TAKING THE DOLLAR... [Jester] SO... YOU HAVE A FEDERAL RESERVE NOTE... FALLING APART AT THE SEAMS...THE THEORETICAL REPLACEMENT AT THE UST WILL BE THE USN... [Jester] SO THE FRN FALLS SOME 30% MAKING IT AROUND 40% MORE EXPENSIVE TO IMPORT... [Jester] NOW... WE WILL HAVE TO SEE HOW THEY PLAN TO IMPLEMENT THE USN... HOW THAT HOLDS UP WILL BE BASED ON HOW THEY IMPLEMENT IT... [Jester] IF THEY MANAGE TO INSTITUTE IT AS GOLD BACKED AS THEY ARE TRYING TO THEN THAT SHOULD HOLD UP OKAY BUT NOT SO FAST... THERE ARE OTHER FACTORS AND IT COULD START OFF ON A HARD FOOT TOO... DO NOT ASSUME EVERYTHING WILL BE HUNKY DORY... THAT IS NOT FOR SURE... [Jester] THE US MIGHT START TRYING TO EXPORT THINGS WE NEED HERE TO MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE... AND THAT WILL COMPLICATE THE SITUATION... [Jester] SO... WHO PAYS? [gbs] we do [Jester] GUESS WHAT... YOU STILL PAY FOR IT... OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS OR DECADES WE WILL STILL HAVE TO BRING THE LEDGER INTO BALANCE...... [Jester] I PREDICT SOME SHORTAGES... THAT IS WHY I HAVE SAID TO HAVE A CAN OF BEANS ON HAND JUST IN CASE... YOU DO NOT LIKE TO BE OUT THERE BEATING YOUR BRAINS OUT WITH THE REST OF THE YO-YOS THAT DO NOT KNOW ANY OF THIS.. [Jester] YOU KNOW... IF YOU DO NOT PREPARE THEN YOU HAVE NO ONE TO BLAME BUT YOURSELF... [Goose] Jester So true [Jester] IF IT DOES NOT GET TO THAT POINT THEN DONATE A FEW CANNED GOODS TO THE HOMELESS AT CHRISTMAS... HAHAHAHA [Jester] I WILL SAY THIS... AND I AM NOT DOING THIS FROM ANY SORT OF PEDESTAL.... [Jester] I HAVE BEEN RIGHT SO FAR... WE ARE STILL HERE... WHAT IF I AM RIGHT ABOUT THIS TOO... JUST SAYING... [Jester] IF YOU BELIEVE THAT YOUR GOVERNMENT WOULD NEVER DO THIS TO YOU THEN KEEP DRINKING THE FLUORIDATED WATER KOOL-AID... HAHAHAHAHA [gbs] Jester it sounds like we need much more than 6mos worth? [Jester] gbs I KIND OF DOUBT THAT... THINGS SHOULD LEVEL OUT... BUT WHO KNOWS... [gbs] ok thanks [DWIM] FWIW, people I've talked to measure in terms of 2-3 months. That's what we've planned for. [diditrvyeet] Jester so this will hit the fan by Christmas this year [Jester] DWIM I HAVE TOLD YOU EVERYTHING I KNOW ABOUT THE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS THAT EXIST... I HAVE MADE EVERY EFFORT I CAN TO EDUCATE PEEPS ON WHAT I AM DOING... [Jester] SOME HAVE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF THAT... SOME HAVEN'T... I AM PRETTY SURE THOSE THAT HAVE ARE IN A GOOD PLACE... FOR EVERYONE ELSE I JUST DO NOT KNOW FOR SURE... [Goose] Jester And we thank you for that [DWIM] Was thinking about last night's read and boiling down into only a few things: [DWIM] First, it's all in the exchange rate (i.e., betw in-house valuation and outside the in-house valuation)... [DWIM] Our ability to be the sole basis of exchange is no longer viable... [DWIM] And, this'll, over a period of time, will drive mfg back into this country, mostly due to self-sufficiency, etc. [Jester] I DO NOT TRUST OUR GOVERNMENT TO "DO THE RIGHT THING" ANYMORE... [Jester] DWIM WILL TAKE SOME TIME... AND IT WILL BE HARD UNTIL THAT HAPPENS... [diditrvyeet] Jester they knew this scenario for how long and still resist? [gbs] Jester why is china buying up so much real estate in the west [Jester] gbs BECAUSE THEY CAN... IT IS CHEAP... AND THEY LIKE IT.. SO WHAT? [gbs] just wondering [DWIM] Also, real estate is an asset. [LuckyB] Jester .. is buying up property like buying up stock in a company ? [Jester] LuckyB JUST PEOPLE BUYING THINGS... THEY CAN AFFORD IT... IT IS NOT GOING TO GO AWAY... WHAT IS THE BIG DEAL? [LuckyB] i was looking at it like an invading country .. buying up key points in a country .. [DWIM] Related to your comments, I was thinking that our printing of the USD is actually monetizing our own inflation. Eventually, we end up having to come back n pay up what we committed to. [Jester] DWIM I THINK I WAS JUST TRYING TO EXPLAIN THAT IN MY SCENARIO... I SPECIFICALLY MADE THAT POINT... [DWIM] J: Yes, I understood that. Thanks for the great [Lulu] Jester does this mean the republic is not going to happen? [Jester] Lulu WHY WOULD YOU THINK THAT? [Lulu] Jester Okay this is my setback from last nights convo if the U.S. govt is a corporation masking as the govt in bed with fed and America kick out the fraudsters and restores constitutional govt is asset backed and restores the republic why do Americans have to pay back the imaginary debt? [Jester] Lulu OH ME... YOU THINK THE REST OF THE WORLD IS JUST GOING TO SAY... AWWWWW... POOR STUPID AMERICAN PEOPLE... YOU DID NOT TAKE CARE OF YOUR BUSINESS... WE'LL JUST LET YOU HAVE A FREE RIDE AND COVER YOU... [Lulu] Because of the fraud that it has perpetuated on the world [Jester] IT IS NOT IMAGINARY DEBT.. THAT IS THE FIRST PROBLEM... [Jester] Lulu SO WHAT? WE ARE THE PEOPLE OF THE GOVERNMENT... THE OTHER NATIONS DO NOT GIVE A RAT'S BEHIND ABOUT THAT... [Lulu] Got it, most at the govt's have been incorporated why are the fraudsters not held responsible? [Jester] IF YOU BELIEVE ALL THAT FORGIVENESS OF DEBT BS PERPETRATED BY SOME THAN ALL WELL AND FINE... GOOD LUCK WITH THAT... [Jester] Lulu BECAUSE THAT IS THE WAY THE WORLD WORKS? [grace2beme] I am sure those top ten percent wealthy will bail us out! Now that they do business out of country, [Jester] BECAUSE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DO NOTHING AND SAY NOTHING? GOT OUR HEADS IN THE SAND? ARE ILLITERATE? JUST SAYING... [Lulu] Jester that sucks I'm going to visualize something different [Jester] Lulu WELL I HOPE THAT WORKS... BUT I DOUBT IT... [Lulu] And be prepared [Jester] NOW THAT IS A BETTER COURSE OF ACTION... [grace2beme] Don't believe that! The word is getting out!'n [Jester] grace2beme YOU DON'T BELIEVE THE REALITY OF WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE WORLD THAT WE CAN ALL CLEARLY SEE? HMMMMMM.... [Jester] GUYS THIS SCENARIO IS UNDERWAY... ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS LOOK IN THE NEWS AND SEE IT... [Jester] THE EAST IS WORKING THE PLAN... AND THE PLAN IS GOING TO RESULT IN THE FALL OF THE DOLLAR FROM GRACE... THEY DO NOT WANT IT ANYMORE... [Jester] AND WHEN RUSSIA AND CHINA ARE ON BOARD... AND JAPAN AND AUSTRALIA... AND THEN ALL THEIR BILATERAL TRADE PARTNERS START DOING THE SAME... HOW MUCH MORE CAN WE LAST PROPPING UP A USELESS COMMODITY THAT NO ONE WANTS.... [Jester] AND THE LIST IS HUGE... THE ENDGAME IS UNDERWAY... [Lulu] Jester I love America but I am Canadian and your America is our biggest trade partner do we go down with the ship? [DWIM] IMHO, this is why there will be not so hard a fall as some might think.The pendulum must swing back to a more normalized place, or there will be war about it (has happened before). [Jester] DWIM SO YOU ARE HOPING FOR A WAR TO SAVE YOURSELF... HAHAHAHA [DWIM] No NEVER another war; too high a price. [Jester] THAT IS SHORT SIGHTED... THIS HAS TO HAPPEN IN ORDER FOR THINGS TO BECOME THE WAY THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO... [grace2beme] Most of us were too busy being of the world instead of in it! [Jester] THERE ARE DEGREES OF DIFFICULTY HERE... DEPENDS ON WHEN OUR LEADERS MIGHT FINALLY ACTUALLY START TO SEE WHAT IS GOING ON... AND IF THEY DECIDE TO HELP MAKE IT EASIER OR CONTINUE DOWN TO THE LAST SECOND FIGHTING THE SITUATION AND LET IT ALL GO TO HELL IN A HAND BASKET... [Lulu] Selfish greedy , so not representing the people no wonder they are militarize get the police they are going to need protection [Jester] ANYWAY... TOLD YOU IT WAS A COMPLICATED ANSWER... BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS... YOU CAN BELIEVE IT OR NOT... BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF VERY SMART ECONOMIC TYPES OUT THERE SAYING MUCH THE SAME THING... AND I DO NOT THINK OUR GOVERNMENT IS THAT SMART.... SORRY... OUR GOVERNMENT IS A COLLECTION OF CHICAGO HOODS THAT HAVE NO CLUE... [Pilgrim] sad but true [Lulu] It was an excellent explanation jester [LdyFaith] Jester,,, so the good news is,,, we become self sufficient,,,,,, bible thumping,,, gun toting "Americans" again,,,,, and take care of our own business ???,,, instead of the "self centered ,,, self serving,,, everyone owes me everything society we have now [Jester] LdyFaith THAT IS PRETTY MUCH THE WAY I SEE IT... BUT AT SOME TIME WE HAVE TO GET CONTROL OF THE SO CALLED GOVERNMENT... [LdyFaith] Jester,,, I agree,,, and I don't think enough will wake up,,, til they are starving,,, sad to say [Jester] LdyFaith AND THAT MAY BE WHAT IT TAKES... SAD THAT IS WHAT MAY HAVE TO HAPPEN TO WAKE PEOPLE UP.... [LdyFaith] Jester,,, I know,,, and thanks as always for being here,,,, we are the top 10 % ,,, and we can get it done,,,, not easy though [Lulu] Looking back now it is so clear that they wanted to go the hard way police brutality , gun grab, military vehicles, and now sending the national guard and reserves to " fight" ebola - that's like fighting a ghost their plans are pretty clear [Jester] SOMEONE SENT ME A NOTE THAT CHINA HAD TAKEN OVER THE IMF... I JUST SHOOK MY HEAD... THE IMF DOES NOT BELONG TO ANYONE TO TAKE OVER... NOTWITHSTANDING THE FACT WHY THE HECK WOULD CHINA WANT IT WHEN THEY HAVE THE BRICS... MAKES PEOPLE LOOK STUPID... [grace2beme] Jester I'm sorry I don't agree I believe people are listening! I'll shut up because I probably got in on the end of the conversation! [Jester] grace2beme THERE ARE A COUPLE THOUSAND DINARIANS... AND I DO NOT SEE MANY OF THEM HERE... SO DISAGREE ALL YOU LIKE BUT THE NUMBERS DO NOT LIE... [Jester] THESE PEOPLE MAY BE IN A POSITION TO HELP WHEN THAT GOES DOWN... BUT NOT IF THEY HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT IS REALLY HAPPENING... [Jester] THAT IS THE SAD PART... THOSE THAT MAY BE IN A POSITION TO HELP WILL NOT HAVE ONE SHRED OF KNOWLEDGE ABOUT WHAT TO DO... [diditrvyeet] Jester yep they need to do the right thing but haven't yet [Jester] MOST OF THEM STILL DO NOT BELIEVE THERE IS A BIG PICTURE... OR THAT IT AFFECTS THEM.... [LdyFaith] Jester,,, I don't think it will take long before they know,,,"If and when" this goes down,,, wont have long to really prepare, ,I think things will change very fast in this country [Jester] WE PREDICTED THIS SCENARIO WOULD HAPPEN OVER A YEAR AGO... NOW THAT IT IS MUCH MUCH EASIER TO SEE THEY ARE STILL BLIND TO IT... [diditrvyeet] Jester i think they just want to believe the GCR solves all the problems [Jester] diditrvyeet THIS IS TRUE... AND MANY OF THEM ARE STILL SITTING AT THE COMPUTER THINKING IT IS TOMORROW... [Jester] ANYWAY... IT IS WHAT IT IS... THE PEOPLE ARE AMBIVALENT... THAT IS WHY SHEEPLE IS A GOOD WORD... SHEEP ARE AMBIVALENT... THEY ARE TOO STUPID TO RUN AWAY FORM A WOLF THAT IS ABOUT TO EAT THEM... HAHAHAHAHA [Jester] HAHAHAHA... WELL... I WILL BE LONG GONE BY THE TIME ANYONE FIGURES OUT I HAVE LEFT... YOU CAN COUNT ON THAT... [Lulu] Thank you so much jester and most excellent mods I so appreciate your time and dedication I no longer walk in the dark and I am so grateful to you! [Jester] SO I HOPE YOU ARE ALL READY... THERE ARE 3 THINGS PROJECTED TO GET IN A FIGHT OVER... GAS... FOOD... AND MONEY... MAKE SURE YOU HAVE SOME OF THOSE ON HAND JUST IN CASE... [Jester] LETS HOPE IT DOES NOT COME TO THAT... BUT IF THINGS DO FALL THAT BAD... THERE ARE GOING TO BE SHORTAGES AND THINGS WILL GET TIGHT... [Jester] BEST TO JUST STAY HOME IF YOU CAN... HAHAHAHA....HOPEFULLY THE CABLE DOES NOT GO OFF... HAHAHAHAHA [Jester] YOU GUYS TAKE IT EASY... SEE YOU TOMORROW...NIGHT NIGHT... http://www.dinarrecaps.com/our-blog/late-saturday-night-jester-chat-the-endgame-is-underway

PressTV: 28 pages that could change the Middle East

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http://polymontana.com/ambassador-lee-emil-wanta/

http://www.wantarevelations.com/evidence/WANTA-Book.pdf

Jean posted: " George W. Bush, the former president of the United State Sat Oct 18, 2014 8:36AM GMT By Kevin Barrett Related Interviews: 'Israel pursues Nazi-style occupation' 'Zionism behind ISIL surge in Mideast' In 2002, George W. Bush’s" PressTV: 28 pages that could change the Middle East, by Kevin Barrett George W. Bush, the former alleged president of the United States Sat Oct 18, 2014 8:36AM GMT By Kevin Barrett Related Interviews: 'Israel pursues Nazi-style occupation' 'Zionism behind ISIL surge in Mideast' In 2002, George W. Bush’s Zionist speechwriter David Frum coined the term “axis of evil” – and applied it to Iraq, Iran, and North […] Read more of this post October 18, 2014 at 12:52 pm | Tags: George W Bush, Iran, Israel, Middle East, Saudi, Saudi Arabia, Syria, United States | Categories: Financial/economic information, Illuminati/Terrorism/Corruption, Political | URL: http://wp.me/p1svJw-rLh Please listen to attachment, verifying that Ambassador Lee  Wanta was fully paid two (2) years ago, and their personal demand for USDollars 20 Billion for their political efforts as " Puppet Masters " [ Former Tenn Governor Don Sundquist and Former South Dakota Senator Sheldon R. Songstad ] to arrange release of Wanta's private / personal monetary cash funds in excess of USDollars 32.9 Trillion, plus continuing taxable interest accruals. http://jhaines6.wordpress.com/2014/10/18/presstv-28-pages-that-could-change-the-middle-east-by-kevin-barrett/ finis/m418.intel.ops/all stations

Gt:Sunday Morning Clues

Gt:Sunday Morning Clues

HCL Agreement (that' been Agreed to FOR WEEKS) is FINALLY PUBLIC 

GOOOOAAAALLLL!!!!

Were on a MINUTE BY MINUTE.....BY MINUTE WATCH (Public Release)

Checklist is ABOUT Complete!!!

Everything's ON TRACK

We're AT THE FINISH LiNE (having a GOOD STIFF Drink......No UMBRELLA DRINKS HERE)!!!

Vinman:

Barzani in agreement with oil and gas sharing HCL law....that's all folks!

The goal has been made.

It's minute by minute now!

"Howler" Kurdish: the federal government promised to transfer four trillion dinars to the region as soon as their work directly to the Kurds Minister

On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 11:34 AM, stage3alpha <mail@s3alpha.net> wrote:

"Howler" Kurdish: the federal government promised to transfer four trillion dinars to the region as soon as their work directly to the Kurds Minister Posted by BaNDiTo.RoX on October 18, 2014 at 11:05am Azad Mohammed 10/18/2014 Hoal newspaper quoted Brigadier Hiwa spray spokesman Peshmerga forces in Kirkuk as saying that the axis of the Peshmerga forces began to take its preparations for winter. He said the troops began to set up shelters for the Peshmerga and the creation of cabinets and these projects are assigned to contractors in order to be implemented along with the line of fire (Daash), and added that the plan also within the distribution of clothing and equipment, especially in winter on the Peshmerga forces. In other news the newspaper that the recognition of the Kurdistan Region of Iraq Kurdish administration of three provinces in the Kurdish-majority Syria can not be transferred to the Iraqi parliament unless the provincial government's decision to implement a formal recognition of this administration. The newspaper quoted Farhad capable member of the National Union list in the House of Representatives saying that the Iraqi Kurds will make intensive efforts for recognition of the Iraqi Council of Representatives this administration and that the process is not easy because the Council, encompassing different. In a story reported last Hoal vaccination campaign stop children between four and five years in the province of Kirkuk, due to lack of vaccines, sparking concern families in the province. The newspaper quoted Burhan Omar, deputy head of the Department of Health of Kirkuk, saying that childhood vaccines of this reconstruction has ended and that the problem does not include Kirkuk only, but all Iraqi provinces. Iawina electronic newspaper wrote that the rains and floods pose significant risks to the displaced to Khanaqin, and that there is a possibility for the occurrence of a humanitarian catastrophe in the camps for the displaced. The newspaper quoted a member of the Diyala provincial council Hakki Jubouri call those responsible to take urgent steps to prevent a humanitarian disaster. He added Jubouri said thousands of families at risk in light rain and flash floods that swept through their camps and that the best solution to the current crisis Refugees are only in the liberation of their areas to be able to return to it. Howler newspaper wrote that the Finance Committee of the Parliament of the Kurdistan region revealed that the federal government promised to transfer four trillion dinars to the region as soon as an advance directly to the Kurds their ministers in the federal government. The newspaper quoted Mirkan Haifa Haj Committee's decision sayingthat the Iraqi government for the province, the city of $ 18 trillion and 400 billion dinars, which the provincial budget for eight months. She added that the delay in transfer budget to create great difficulties for the region in terms of the provision of staff salaries and insurance needs of the Peshmerga. http://www.iraqhurr.org/content/article/26643807.html Visit stage3alpha at: http://s3alpha.net/?xg_source=msg_mes_network To control which emails you receive on stage3alpha, click here

Royal Babylon: The Criminal Record of the British Monarchy

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Royal Babylon: The Criminal Record of the British Monarchy

Posted By: namaste
Date: Sunday, 19-Oct-2014 09:57:43

Must see this, historic and current criminal record of the British monarchy. Don't be put off by the onset of the sex pistols music, it soon fades. http://vimeo.com/48197993 from Margaret Cox Plus 2 years ago Not Yet Rated A series of 16 short films each detailing a crime of the British monarchy, based on Heathcote Williams' poem "Royal Babylon: The Criminal Record of the British Monarchy": RB opening - The Sex Pistols argument, Killing an Ibis, Mad Monarchs, Michael X, Harry Trouble, I Danced With A Man, Foot in Mouth, Folk on the Hill, Knighthoods, Milton Gas, Glitter Freeze, Swift Justice, Raj Doubt, Gaunt etc, Koh I Noor, Paine & Thoth/Blake Acres Zappa.

MASSIVE UNDERWATER UFO BASE DISCOVERED OFF MALIBU COAST OFFICIAL VIDEO

MASSIVE UNDERWATER UFO BASE DISCOVERED OFF MALIBU COAST OFFICIAL VIDEO

Read more: http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/187959/MASSIVE_UNDERWATER_UFO_BASE_DISCOVERED_OFF_MALIBU_COAST_OFFICIAL_VIDEO/#ixzz3GbBVbdrh

Huge Victory Against Monsanto Revealed (Video)

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Huge Victory Against Monsanto Revealed (Video)

Posted By: Mr.Ed [Send E-Mail]
Date: Sunday, 19-Oct-2014 00:43:09

Huge Victory Against Monsanto Revealed (Video) Published on Oct 14, 2014 (4 min clip) Anthony Gucciardi and Paul Joseph Watson discuss how Monsanto is hemorrhaging cash as their corruption is exposed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTOhiR_X5Pw&feature=player_detailpage

TO VOTE OR NOT TO VOTE

TO VOTE
OR
NOT TO VOTE
REPEAT AFTER ME

I DO NOT CARE
WHAT KIND OF CREDENTIALS
A CANDIDATE HAS BECAUSE.....

I DO NOT CARE
IF THEY ARE REPUBLICAN,
DEMOCRAT, OR INDEPENDENT
BECAUSE......

I WILL NOT ENDORSE OR GIVE ANY CANDIDATE
MY HARD EARNED MONEY
BECAUSE......

I WILL NOT VOLUNTEER MY TIME
FOR ANY CANDIDATE
BECAUSE.....

I DO NOT CARE WHAT ANY CANDIDATE
SAYS, DOES, OR ENDORSES....
BECAUSE........

I WILL NOT PARTICIPATE
IN ANY WAY...
BECAUSE......

THEY ARE FRAUDULENTLY
RUNNING FOR OFFICE
IN THE
FRAUDULENT
UNITED STATES CORPORATION

AND NOT
FOR OUR COUNTRY
OUR UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
OUR AMERICA
UNDER OUR CONSTITUTION
UNDER OUR NON GOLD FRINGED
FLAG


AND OUR
RULES OF LAW
AND OUR
DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE


WHY VOTE FOR A
FRAUDULENT
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FOR A
NON EXISTING GOVERNMENT
THAT ISN'T ONE.......
THAT ISN'T OURS.....

ARE YOU TOTALLY CRAZY ?

THIS MESSAGE BROUGHT TO YOU BY:
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500 Trillion Dollar Family! Heads Of the Illuminati! Lord Jacob Rothschild (Videos)

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500 Trillion Dollar Family! Heads Of the Illuminati! Lord Jacob Rothschild (Videos)

Posted By: Mr.Ed [Send E-Mail]
Date: Sunday, 19-Oct-2014 05:08:30

500 Trillion Dollar Family! Heads Of the Illuminati! Lord Jacob Rothschild (Videos) (N.Morgan) The Rothschild dynasty goes back hundreds of years. Their known prowess in the banking and financial world. The run the banks, Wall St. and some parts of govt. They are the family who had the power to break up countries and destroy empires.Jacob Rothschild is a British investment banker and a member of the prominent Rothschild banking family. He is also Honorary President of the Institute for Jewish Policy Research.The most wealthy bloodline in the world bar none and the leader of the Ashkenazi Jews in the world today is the Rothschild family. As you will see in the timeline, the Rothschilds have obtained this position through lies, manipulation and murder. Their bloodline also extends into the Royal Families of Europe, and the following family names: Astor; Bundy; Collins; DuPont; Freeman; Kennedy; Morgan; Oppenheimer; Rockefeller; Sassoon; Schiff; Taft; and Van Duyn. However, these are not the only bloodlines to worry about. You are probably aware of the centuries old practice undertaken by many Ashkenazi Jews whereby they would change their name, in order for them to appear part of the dominant race of the country in which they lived, so as they could obtain influential positions in that country, which they would then exploit to serve their real masters elsewhere. There is plenty of evidence to prove the Rothschilds continue that deceptive tradition. Published on Oct 17, 2014 The Rothschilds are the richest family on earth with a net worth of half the worlds wealth.They created & run every central bank in the world such as the federal reserve. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_kLZqjK9V0&feature=player_detailpage http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3on_VmPrlLE&feature=player_detailpage

FINNICK ODAIR TIDBIT FROM S3A, 18 OCT

FINNICK ODAIR TIDBIT FROM S3A, 18 OCT

FINNICK ODAIR: The Zim. appears to be live and at .13 cents, and you guys are having a drama fest. Unbelievable!

http://www.xe.com/currencyconverter/convert/?Amount=1&From=USD&To=ZWR 

Publicado por Dinaresgurus.blogspot.com FORO DINAR GURUS en 8:09

 MY LADIES TIDBIT, 18 OCT

10-18-14 MY LADIES: SO HERE WE GO THE USA IS HAPPY AND THE DEPARTMENT OF STATE SENDS CONGRATULATIONS. I TEAM SAYS WE NEED TO DIG IF WE DO NOT SEE SOMETHING TOMORROW...I SURE HOPE WE WON’T NEED A BACK HOE...LOL.

Publicado por Dinaresgurus.blogspot.com FORO DINAR GURUS en 7:49 PM No comments:

10-19-2014   Intel Guru Frank26   FOR THE FIRST TIME IN TWELVE YEARS WE HAVE A FULLY SEATED AND FUNCTIONING GOI. KURDS ARE ECSTATIC!   THE FINANCE MINISTER IS THEIRS.  AFTER THE 19TH, PARLIAMENT WILL HOLD ON MONDAY...AN UNUSUAL SESSION SO SAYS TODAYS ARTICLES.  WHY?  BECAUSE THE NEW FINANCE MINISTER SAID TODAY THE 2014 BUDGET WILL BE OPENED RIGHT AWAY.  THE HCL TOO HAS BEEN DONE ...ONLY NEEDED "SOMEONE" TO IMPLEMENT IT...BUT NO CAN IMPLEMENT IT WITHOUT A RATE.  NOT SURE WHEN, BUT WE NEED TO SEE GOI MEET WITH CBI TO TELL THEM THEY HAVE THE LAWS CBI WANTS.  THIS MOF [MINISTER OF FINANCE]  WAS A BIG KEY TO TURN THEIR CURRENCY INTO SOMETHING OF WORTH ...TO THE INTERNATIONAL WORLD!  ITEAM JUST TOLD ME...THE ENVIRONMENT IN BAGHDAD I