On 4/14/2014 1:32 PM,
Jim
Stone
April
11, 2014
This
is the jackpot of details you have never seen anywhere else, and if you did,
they originated here, spread it around, ARCHIVE AND POST! (please link back to
here when posting elsewhere) A Rancher TELLS ALL:
B
Hunt wrote:
I
live in SW Utah. I grew up on a ranch less than 100 miles from the Bundy's
ranch. My father knows Cliven Bundy. I know Cliven's son Ryan. This is not a
hoax, it is an action of force by the BLM.
The
BLM was going to sell the cattle at one of the smallest cattle markets in Utah.
No cattle markets in Nevada would take the cattle without a properly signed
brand inspection (which the BLM cannot obtain without Cliven Bundy's
signature). The BLM paid the owner of the Utah cattle market $300,000 to do
the sale ('R' Livestock Connection in Monroe, Utah, owned by one Scott G.
Robbins, according to the Utah Business Entity Search). Utah Governor Herbert
stepped in and forbid them from bringing the cattle into Utah without the
legally required health and brand inspections (which again, require Bundy's
signature) and that no feral cattle are allowed to be imported at all (per Utah
statute). Because Bundy claims ownership over maybe 350-500 head of branded
cattle, the other 500-700 estimated head of cattle would all be considered
feral. BLM officially backed off, but we suspect they are still secretly
shipping them through Utah without any permission to do so, to
"private" buyers in Colorado. The contract cowboys that the BLM hired
to do the roundup are from Sampson Livestock in Meadow, Utah (traitors one and
all).
From
what I understand, Cliven Bundy owns both the Water Rights and Grazing Rights
to all of the land where his cattle run. If Bundy failed to use them, the
Grazing Rights would revert to the BLM and would be retired, while the Water
Rights would revert to the State of Nevada, likely to be sold to the highest
bidder (which would probably be a bidding war between mineral companies that
are behind this action with the BLM and the City of Las Vegas which is thirsty
for water and has had multiple attempts to buy water--through eminent domain
from Utah farmers and ranchers--from Utah, which were all blocked by the Utah
Legislature and Utah Governor Herbert). Chances are, the BLM has already filed
a claim on the water rights so that they can sell to the highest bidder
(instead of the state) and are trying to get the cattle off to show that Bundy
cannot use the water beneficially (much like what the US Forest Service and BLM
both tried to do to Wayne Hage).
Now,
for Cliven Bundy, he's not fighting this for his cattle or his own livelihood.
He recognizes that he will probably die before this fight is over. He has said
multiple times that he is fighting this to wake people up about the tyranny of
the Federal Government and also to help wake up the western states about
getting the rights to their own land back from the federal government, which
has repeatedly shut down ranchers and closed off land. (MO = 1st, get all the
ranchers, farmers, Native Americans, and foresters that use the land for
positive, sustainable production off of the land; 2nd, grab up all the
resources; 3rd, close off the lands to public access including camping, hiking,
horseback riding, hunting, fishing, boating, shooting, etc; 4th, sell off the
resources to the highest bidder regardless of what that will do to the land,
the local environment, or the economy; 5th, collect royalties on the resources
in perpetuity; 6th, reduce and eliminate all SLS and PILT payments to the
states, impoverishing them beyond belief.)
Anyway,
thanks for posting about this. It is important for us to be able to raise the
appropriate resistance.
Jim
Stone's Response :
Thank
you for sending your valuable insight. This contained the details we were all
missing.
From
this we can now firmly conclude:
1.
The BLM's actions are not only flatly illegal, they are unlawful, and not only
unlawful, they are so unlawful that it took bribing someone with a
$300,000 payoff to get them to accept stolen cattle from a Government
agency. I do not think that could be topped ANYWHERE else in the world,
other than with something like a Mexican drug cartel.
So
we have a clear cut case of unlawful and prosecutable actions by the BLM in
this case.
2.
The real goal is to shut down public access to these lands. Obviously Cliven
Bundy was not a jerk, and he let people go back there to explore. I myself
have done a LOT of back country exploring, and noticed in the early 2000's that
they closed down all the back roads about a half mile before the destination
they used to go to to discourage people from exploring the wilderness. Rather
than drive the whole way, you had to get out and walk a considerable distance
to scenes such as Swazy's leap, Paul Bunyans Wood Pile, and practically
anywhere else you would want to go while out 4 Wheeling. And in the desert sun,
that long of a walk was usually tough to do. This resulted in these types of
locations no longer being visited, which effectively equaled a shut down.
3.
The motives are for profit. Rather than manage the lands responsibly, the BLM
is stealing it from it's rightful holders via corrupt actions and legal loop
holes, and selling it off to corporate interests. This is cold hard proof that
America is not a democracy, or more importantly a Republic, it is in fact a
facist dictatorship where corruption rules and rights, freedom and honor are
irrelevant.
The
BLM killed hundreds of desert tortoises on purpose
They
say
they had to kill them because they did not have the funds
to care for them.
Here are two really good solutions to that
"problem." 1. Just take them out in the desert and turn them loose.
-OR- 2. They could have taken the three million dollars they said the Bundy
raid will cost them, CALLED OFF THE RAID, and SAVED THE TURTLES with that three
million. If they had three million to destroy Bundy, they had it for the
turtles as well but did not use it for that because tyranny comes first.
Steeped
in arrogance and incompetence, once again a Federal agency fails to see the
obvious. Or perhaps they do see it but they could care less about nature and
instead operate as the enforcement arm of a band of high ranking thugs.
The
truth, in the words of a Bundy
Mike
Combs By SHIREE BUNDY COX:
I
have had people ask me to explain my dad's stance on this BLM fight. Here it is
in as simple of terms as I can explain it. There is so much [more] to it, but
here it is in a nut shell. My great grandpa bought the rights to the
Bunkerville allotment back in 1887, around there. Then he sold them to my
grandpa who then turned them over to my dad in 1972. These men bought and
paid for their rights to the range and also built waters, fences and roads to
assure the survival of their cattle, all with their own money, not with tax
dollars. These rights to the land use are called preemptive rights.
Some
where down the line, to keep the cows from over grazing, came the bureau of
land management. They were supposed to assist the ranchers in the management of
their ranges, while the ranchers paid a yearly allotment, which was to be used
to pay the BLM wages and to help with repairs and improvements of the ranches.
My dad did pay his grazing fees for years to the BLM, until they were no longer
using his fees to help him and to improve. Instead, they began using these
money's against the ranchers. They bought all the rest of the ranchers in the
area out, with their own grazing fees. When they offered to buy my dad out for
a pittance, he said no thanks and then fired them because they weren't doing
their job. He quit paying the BLM but tried giving his grazing fees to the
county, which they turned down. So my dad just went on running his ranch and
making his own improvements with his own equipment and his own money, not
taxes.
In
essence, the BLM was managing my dad out of business. Well, when buying him out
didn't work, they used the endangered species card. You've already heard about
the desert tortoise. Well that didn't work either, so then began the threats
and the court orders, which my dad has proven to be unlawful for all these
years. Now they're desperate. It's come down to buying the brand inspector off
and threatening the County Sheriff. Everything they're doing at this point is
illegal and totally against the constitution of the United States of America.
Now
you may be saying,"how sad, but what does this have to do with me?"
Well, I'll tell you. They will get rid of Cliven Bundy, the last man standing
on the Bunkerville allotment and then they will close all the roads so no one
can ever go on it again. Next, it's Utah's turn. Mark my words, Utah is next.
Then
there's the issue of the cattle that are at this moment being stolen. See, even
if dad hasn't paid them, those cattle do belong to him. Regardless where they
are, they are my fathers property. His herd has been part of that range for
over a hundred years, long before the BLM even existed. Now the Feds think they
can just come in and remove them and sell them without a legal brand inspection
or without my dad's signature on it. They think they can take them over two
boarders, which is illegal, ask any trucker. Then they plan to take them to the
Richfeild Auction and sell them. All with our tax money. They have paid off the
contract cowboys and the auction owner, as well as the Nevada brand inspector
with our tax dollars. See how slick they are?
Well,
this is it in a nut shell. Thanks
April
10 2014
Bundy
Ranch is REAL
UPDATE:
The
Nevada Militia has shown up at the Bundy ranch to kick
the BLM out. The governor of Nevada celebrated the arrival of the militia and
spoke in support of the Bundys, issuing the statement "No cow justifies
the atmosphere of intimidation which currently exists nor the limitation of
constitutional rights that are sacred to all Nevadans".
As
I suspected, the Bundy's ranch is on land that the Fed wants to mine for
minerals and they need the water that is reserved for the cattle to conduct
mining operations. The land has been assesed to have high grade deposits of
minerals that are good for military applications and the Fed wants the Bundys
out of the way. Adding to the problem is that much of the land is prime real estate,
and the Fed wants it to sell it off. EVEN MORE DAMNING is that the best and
most prime real estate is actually owned by the Bundy's which means the BLM is
trespassing on much of it anyway. It is neither state nor federal land.
There have been numerous attempts to kick the Bundy's off their property so a
tycoon can come in and put a residential development in. So as is the norm,
a turtle or fly or slug or whatever has been used as an excuse for an eviction,
when multibillion dollar corporations wanting the land for mining operations
and real estate tycoons wanting the most prime areas are the real reason, and
the muscle of the government most likely bought by campain contributions is
being used to get the Bundy's off the land after the Bundy's refused really
good offers for it from potential buyers.
The
BLM is getting so anxious to get the cows off the land that they are running
many of them to death, and that is why the backhoes are there to bury them. The
BLM has hired blackwater mercenaries to snipe anyone who "does not
belong" there.
Bundy
Ranch comments:
"Feds
say it will cost 3 million dollars to round up the cattle and dispose of
them" My response:
I
have the solution to the problem. Hire a bunch of cattle rustlers to go in
there and steal all the cattle. They will GLADLY do it for FREE. Then just give
the Bundy's the "three million" for their grief.
"Feds
say this is being done to save the desert tortoise" My response: I
don't think cows eat turtles. If the cows were devastating competition for
them, they would have been gone in the 1800's
About
the "free speech" zone: Has tyranny gone so far that it even has
to control where people shout to the desert wind? Obviously so, which is why
that same tyranny thinks cows threaten turtles now. Or is it that the land
those cows graze on is in fact being sold to China? Maybe Warren Buffet wants
it. Who knows. But turtles rule. And they will taste good in China.
UPDATE:
The cattle are not being killed and buried, they are in fact being taken by BLM
supported cattle rustlers, as I said would be common sense. These rustlers have
been given brand new trucks and trailers to do it, and they are selling the
cattle at auction FOR PROFIT. THEY ARE SELLING THEM AT AUCTION, THE SAME WAY
THE BUNDY FAMILY WOULD HAVE TO MAKE A LIVING. So HOW DO YOU GET A $3 MILLION
LOSS OUT OF STEALING A FORTUNE IN CATTLE AND SELLING IT? GOOD QUESTION, THE
ONLY ANSWER TO WHICH IS OBVIOUS OUT OF CONTROL CORRUPTION.
The
area is 600,000 acres. That is HUGE. And if you get out of your car on any of
the roads you are immediately arrested and taken to federal prison, for
committing a federal crime. Infrared sensors are in place all throughout the
desert now, and there are numerous private corporate "blackwater"
snipers on the hills. No one has been shot yet, but the state is certainly set
for that.
Rising
up peacefully is NOT the answer. You cannot peacefully remove any tyranny,
tyranny laughs at people who think "peace" can bring about change in
a system enforced by state sponsored violence. They brought the guns to the
party FIRST.
-Original
post- After looking over some of the videos and seeing what is going on out in
Nevada, I firmly believe this is no hoax.
Citing
illegal land usage, the BLM moved in on a ranch which has been in place since the
wild west days, and had paid cattle rustlers go in and steal the cattle. Some
of the cattle were also killed and buried with backhoes. The only difference
between this and Waco is that at Waco people were actually targeted and killed,
and with the Bundy ranch, a family legacy was destroyed. Both were grave rights
violations.
I
believe that what happened with the Bundy ranch was the result of continuous
encroaching regulations and arrogance of the government, and that the Bundy
family actually still had a truthful right to continue using the land under the
law. Most likely the BLM was given unlawful orders to destroy the ranch and
it's cattle and they followed through on them. I am still looking into this
story and will post updates.
I have been to many protests, and know the
CIA ones from the real ones. The video Farganne posted was of a real one, I
have no idea why he doubts it.
