END GAME---Radioactivity MILLIONS of times higher than "legal limit"

Submitted by Nancy - a caring soul ---- Thanks

Radioactive iodine at 7.5 MILLION times legal limit in water around Fukushima —

Cesium-137 at 1.1 MILLION times limit (VIDEO)

http://enenews.com/radioactive-iodine-at-7-5-million-times-legal-limit-in-water-around-fukushima-cesium-137-at-1-1-million-times-limit-video

Like I said --- END GAME

If there is ANYTHING we can do to save the human race

WE NEED TO DO IT.

This is it, folks.

Don't know how much more I can say

Japan’s government, threatened with more HAARP attacks, pays 60 trillion yen to Feds

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Benjamin Fulford Blurb: Japan’s government, threatened with more HAARP attacks, pays 60 trillion yen to Feds

Posted By: Jordon [Send E-Mail]
Date: Tuesday, 5-Apr-2011 07:25:39

The cowardly Japanese Prime Minister Naoto Kan handed 60 trillion yen over to the Federal Reserve Board crime syndicate immediately after his country was attacked with HAARP and nuclear terror, according to Japanese security police sources. The extortion money was paid off following threats to use HAARP to cause Mt. Fuji to erupt. For those of you still too brainwashed to believe such a thing is possible, please take a look at the following transcript available on the US Defense Department’s home page: http://www.defense.gov/Transcripts/Transcript.aspx?TranscriptID=674

Recorded Reading from "The Secret Covenant of the Illuminati' (Their Plan for all of humanity) on radio show

This could be the most important 15 minutes of your life, your childrens’ lives, your grandchildrens’ lives, your great-grandchildrens’ lives . . . . !!! Your gut will know when the truth is spoken. Then share it.

We are either going to come out of this free and alive, OR we all shall End up Like the people in germany in the 1930's.. because im telling you for sure that people saw some of the truth back then.. And wrote it off.. MILLIONS DIED. (Hitler actually wrote a book about his plan, but most ignored it.) The global awakening thats going on is Just a level of awareness to the real powers of the globe. This is Not religious. This is not Spirital. (well in a way it could be i guess.) But if you dont wake up to the true plans for the planet set by the Rothschilds and the Committee of 300, and you don’t take this seriously, we will perish. They have warned us and given us many clues. And people still pass them off. Ttrust your MIND and your GUT.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbO8uh646rQ

March 25, 2011

Message from SaLuSa for 4 April 2011

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Message from SaLuSa for 4 April 2011

Posted By: Mr.Ed [Send E-Mail]
Date: Monday, 4-Apr-2011 15:30:44

Message from SaLuSa for 4 April 2011 SaLuSa 4-April-2011 Believe us when we tell you that matters are moving along very well, and the work we have put in is beginning to yield results. Whatever happens you will be ready for the end times, and nothing can stop the closing of the cycle of duality. You do not have to go through purgatory to ascend, and clearly your experiences from one soul to another will differ quite considerably. Most of you will ease yourselves into the New Age, and for our part we will make the transition for you as quickly as we can. You are seeing rapid changes in the Middle East, and whilst that is going on the West is also going through a testing time. They will also have to change and much will come about following political reform. In you hearts you know that all future changes must be based upon what is best for all, and that means a structure that is built upon Love and Light. Anything less will not satisfy the people, or lay down the path that will give you a smooth ride to Ascension. The dark Ones are at last capitulating, realizing that they need a way out of a predicament of their own making. Through our allies that is being offered, and once they are no longer in a position to interfere with progress, we can really become more open in helping you. Making them responsible for their acts against Humanity is not directly our concern, because there is no escape from eventually having to answer to the higher spiritual hierarchy that oversees your evolution. In other words, just like you they will have to experience the effects of their deeds and fully understand the outcome. We can tell you that once you return to the higher dimensions, and know the truth about life and its purpose you are more than eager to atone for your mistakes. We must stress again that there is no punishment as you understand it, and no judgment and the final outcome is in the hands of the soul concerned. The karma resulting from each life time is twofold, and firstly keeps you on the path back to the Light, whilst ensuring that you learn from your mistakes. The final run in to Ascension is one that gives you so many opportunities to tie up your loose ends, and change your mindset to one that is in alignment with the new vibrations. The old you will largely disappear and a beautiful Being emerge that will be ready to ascend. You have worked hard and come along way to reach this point, and it will be a most uplifting experience regardless of whatever you go through to get there. The energies around you are ever increasing and bringing you more into the higher vibrations. It brings a calmness and feeling of great expectancy, as you become more sensitive to them and stand tall as a beacon of Light. In doing so you are on your way to the Ascension having moved up from the lower vibrations. Indeed, you now find that they are coarse and no longer serve your life purpose. Spreading peace and happiness is your aim and you will be successful at doing so. Without necessarily openly approaching other souls, you will uplift anyone around you and your positive attitude will rub off on others. The word is spreading about Ascension, and you can be one who can gently introduce others to its benefits at the same time pointing out that freewill choice is involved. However, every opportunity will be taken to make the facts known when we can finally walk amongst you. There will eventually be no soul that has not had a chance to learn all about Ascension, and make choice from a well informed position. There are of course those who accept the end time, but believe in a different ending to it, and since you create your own reality they will experience a different path of their choice. Meantime we ask you to keep your focus on your personal goals, and do not be discouraged by the happenings outside of you. Certain events have to be played out, and the physical changes are necessary to assist Mother Earth’s Ascension. You travel together as you have done so for millennia of time, and will do so in the future. The more you can bring the light to Earth, the more you will all be helping to bring the New Earth into being. The old creations of yours are unable to be carried forward, so consequently there is much to do by way of transmutation. Nothing is totally destroyed, but simply changes its form to be used again. Matter is created and re-created over and over again and never wasted. As creators yourselves you will take greater responsibility for your creations, but at the same time you will rise in consciousness and will exercise good sense and wisdom in your work. You are now at the crossroads, and it is your decision as to which way you go. Either way there is no long term problem, as the cyclic nature of the Universe ensures that another opportunity to choose differently will always come your way. However, the cycles are long by your measure using linear time, and if you but knew you would be more inclined to put the effort in to ascend this time round. We know that some souls are still so mired in the darkness, that they find it hard to comprehend what Ascension means. Sometimes they feel victims of their circumstances not realizing that they create their own experiences. There will come a time when the truth will come to them, and then they will seek a way to change them for the better. Be assured that your progress is followed, and at the first signs of a desire to move into the Light, help is given to move you in the right direction. No one wishes to see you repeatedly going down a dead end, and having to do it all again. Fortunately most souls evolve over a period of time through the experiences of successive lives, and the guidance given to them. In the present challenging times, progress can be quite rapid because of the continual battle between the dark and Light. There are repeated opportunities to overcome the lower vibrations, and no soul is condemned to stay in them. It is quite the opposite, as The Brotherhood of Light works to help those who are in the lower dimensions, and find the ones who are opening up to the higher truths. I am SaLuSa from Sirius, and as you enter the most important time for your civilization, we do our best to attract your attention. We want you to recognize the relationship we have with you, which is one that has existed for thousands of years. We Are All One, and are rightly coming together again to celebrate our reunion. We shall go forward with you to the higher realms that are your true home, and await your presence as ascended Beings. Thank you SaLuSa. Mike Quinsey.

PROPOSALS TO HELP JAPAN

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FYI: R. WHITLEY WRITES: Tickets on the next NASA FLIGHT may have to land on the MOON FOREVER.

Posted By: watcher51445 [Send E-Mail]
Date: Monday, 4-Apr-2011 09:57:44

FYI. Problem can go INTERNATIONAL quickly then those with tickets on the next NASA FLIGHT may have to land on the MOON FOREVER. Why they do not use a few gallons of RED FOOD DYE to see which reactor is leaking that water is beyond me. Plumbers USE FOOD DYE to see if a commode is leaking, should work easily on boiling water in any plant....DUMP AND RUN then wait to see if the concrete pit shows RED, GREEN, BLUE.....ORANGE..... Then they locate the leaking item for further work. SEE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_coloring BRILLIANT BLUE, BRILLIANT RED, BRILLIANT GREEN, ORANGE....four choices at least. Still believe that trench wall can be sealed or shored up with 1 inch thick rubber mat steel plate and pressure from the other side. THOUSANDS OF CARS AND TRUCKS means thousands of JACKS WITH HANDLES AVAILABLE INSTANTLY plus cutting bars of steel to put in that space before jacking pressure UNTIL IT STOP LEAKING ONLY. Then wrap everything with plastic and POUR HYDRAULIC CEMENT TO SEAL ! Hard....yes in radiation. Will it work to show leaking section or Nuclear Reactor leaking by COLOR A B S O L U T E L Y ! Works every day in America ! County CREWS and CITY SEWER AND WATER CREWS ARE EXPERTS IN SEALING LEAKS IN CONCRETE ! So are Military DAMAGE CONTROL SPECIALISTS ! Military RADIATION MONITOR SPECIALISTS ARE IN JAPAN. Hope the SUBMARINE and FLEET DAMAGE CONTROL PEOPLE ARE ASKED ! NOT MY JOB ! HAVE SKYPE CAN TRAVEL VIA INTERNET IF CALLED OR NOTIFIED OF TIME EASTERN TO BE ONLINE My skype account is ralphwhitleysr ! Ralph 040411 @ 9:48 AM Eastern T I C K T O C K T I C K T O C K REMEMBER: ONE POUND PER SQUARE INCH EQUALS 2.3 FEET HIGH COLUMN OF WATER OR 28 INCHES COLUMN. HOW TALL WAS YOUR BUILDING IN INCHES FROM TOP OF WATER TO UNDERGROUND CRACK AREA ? FIRE HYDRANT PRESSURE TAKES SPECIAL SEALING FOLKS AND IF IT WAS A FLOW OF WATER YOU HAVE TO MATCH THE PRESSURE PLUS 5 PSI PERHAPS TO STOP THE FLOW FROM THE CRACK. Thinking 14.7 PSI atmospheric pressure does NOTHING when figuring WATER COLUMN AND THEN FIGURE SEA WATER COLUMN WHICH MAY BE DIFFERENT ALTOGETHER ! Atmospheric Pressure 14.7 PSI will support a column of water 33.9 feet high. Understanding 1 psi X 1ft/0.433 psi = 2.3 ft (or 28 inches) Now measure the exterior upper level of the container where water TOP might be then figure in inches then divide by 28 to get pounds per square inch perhaps at the slit in the cement in the pit. Hope that illustrates what your problem may be. NOW remember apply ONLY ENOUGH PRESSURE on the rubber via the plate of steel and screws to STOP THE LEAK. Then pour the hydraulic cement. NAVAL DAMAGE CONTROL HAVE THE TRAINING, FILMS AND EQUIPMENT TO STOP THAT LEAK IN 2 HOURS FLAT ! JAPANESE NAVY AND U.S. NAVY ALL PRACTICE THIS PROBLEM, ESPECIALLY ON SUBMARINES ! NOW FOR NUCLEAR REACTOR LEAK WITH WATER CONTAMINATION: Ever hear of QUICKRETE HYDRAULIC CEMENT which almost sets up in water which can be poured outside a container area with a crack while de-watering through pumps and special piping with filters occurs keeping the area dry until a few cement trucks can pull up and the entire load forced into a hole which will also cause cement to seal the crack and come inside the container a small amount. Plumbing Contractors USE hydraulic cement for leaks with septic tanks which are concrete and steel. CHECK WITH THE EXPERTS IN JAPAN since WE have to mix only what we will use in 3 minutes so several people with those 10 mil thick bags or super powerful mixing items can allow mixing and pouring quickly into the hole sealing the crack then cement trucks with different cement mixture can apply a concrete WEDGE WITH STEEL SUPPORT PILINGS TO KEEP IT ALL IN PLACE ! Time involved including digging perhaps less than 2 hours on site. HYDRAULIC CEMENT MUST BE PLACED QUICKLY INTO THE AREA that is why we recommended using a rubber section and steel supported by pilings and plate with hydraulic jacks. Gives you a little more time to work out the problems stopping the water flow and allowing de-watering of the soil. http://www.quikrete.com/ProductLines/HydraulicWaterStopCementPro.asp http://www.quikrete.com/PDFs/DATA_SHEET-Hydraulic%20Water-Stop%20Cement%201126.pdf FIRST REQUIREMENT STOP THE LEAK WITH MATTING AND THEN POUR CONCRETE, EVEN HYDRAULIC INSIDE IF DESIRED AND THE LEVEL OF WATER CAN BE BROUGHT DOWN IN THE CONTAINER: No need to try to worry when one can place even thick rubberized matting over a crack then reinforce the outer crack with steel and use `12 inch wide steel sections pounded into the ground then apply pressure over the plate with jacks before pouring all in concrete. STOP THE LEAK - ABSOLUTELY. Prevent further cracks if there is an explosion MAYBE NOT but then one can use the huge circular container welded in place where you would seal same all around building then pour concrete over the top some 20 feet high and buried some 10 feet in the ground or more sealing everything ! Read what was recommended then check it out immediately. [[[REMEMBER 1 FOOT THICK RUBBER MAT CUT X FEET SQUARE OVER CRACK IN WALL OR CONTAINER ALLOWING 12 INCHES UP, SIDES AND DOWN FOR FUTURE CRACKS, NO STEEL AS YOU HAVE ANOTHER SIDE WHERE PLATE CAN BE ATTACHED OR HELD IN PLACE WHILE WORKERS ATTACH SPECIAL SCREW BOLTS TO PRESS AGAINST THE PLATE AND RUBBER TO SEAL THE LEAK WITHOUT CAUSING FRACTURE OF MORE. ONCE WATER IS STOPPED THEN AND ONLY THEN FILL THE ENTIRE AREA WITH HYDRAULIC CEMENT IN THAT CONCRETE UNDERGROUND FOUR WALLED CONTAINER USING ONLY FRESH WATER AFTER PUMPING DOWN ALL WATER REMAINING IN THE CEMENT PIT USED FOR ELECTRICAL CONNECTIONS AND FEEDING THE WATER TO THE SEA. REMEMBER ALLOW A FORMED CUT SECTION OF STEEL TO BE LOWERED THEN HYDRAULIC JACKS EVEN SCREW JACKS ONLY PUSHING THE PLATE OVER THE PATCH OF RUBBER ENOUGH TO ONLY STOP THE LEAK BEFORE CAUSING MORE PRESSURE CRACKING MORE OF DAMAGED CONCRETE THEN SEAL ALL IN HYDRAULIC CEMENT ! How long does that take and you have stopped the leak or crack ! HYDRAULIC CEMENT MUST ONLY BE MIXED WITH FRESH WATER FOLKS......NO SALT WATER OR IT WILL FAIL !]]] Professionally submitted FREE to the NRC and people of Japan Sunday April 3, 2011 as I fear not giving you the information could risk MASSIVE NUCLEAR EXPLOSIONS AT THE PLANT AND ENDANGER AMERICA AS WELL AS THE ENTIRE PLANET. Have passport and medications for four weeks Mr. President and Japanese Embassy Staff should I be needed there. Japan Airlines can bring me to your Nation if necessary as this inability to follow professional recommendations is unbelievable. WHERE IS THE MAN TO HOLD HIS HAND OVER THE WATER FLOW LIKE PUTTING A FINGER IN A RESERVOIR LEAK ? IS THAT PROFESSIONALISM DROPPING CONCRETE ONTO A FIRE HYDRANT FLOW OF WATER IN A CONCRETE BOX IN THE GROUND ? 1 POUND OF WATER PRESSURE PER HOW MANY INCHES COLUMN OF WATER STORED ? I WAS TAUGHT 14.7 INCHES COLUMNAR EQUALS 1 POUND. How tall is the building and how many pounds of pressure will be pushing water through the crack. THIS IS NOT A FISH TANK FOLKS ! CHECK WITH THE NAVAL SUBMARINE SERVICE AND SHIPS OF THE NAVY....JAPANESE NAVY GOES THROUGH SIMILAR TRAINING BUT YOU HAVE A BASE IN JAPAN PLUS FLEET OFFSHORE TO DRAW INFORMATION FROM..... BORROW THEIR EQUIPMENT AND SCREW JACKS FOR THAT CEMENT SECTION. Remember: Storage of spent rods deep in the Salt Water Ocean some 3,000 feet might find the temperature staying at 40 degrees F continuous. Same of your refrigerator at home perhaps. I have been provided with 8 NEW RADStickers from the Inventor Gordhan Patel at J.P. Labs for use by any of your personnel who will be working at the plant and these stickers attach to ID's or Drivers Licenses so the radiation levels can be measured daily, weekly and monthly. Would also recommend placing some eventually on ALL equipment then a log started to see how much radiation the equipment plus personnel are subjected to in the line of work completed at the sites now or in the future. RADTRIAGE units work inside or outside as suggested but the RADSticker can be read after each shift if necessary for workers. Remember STORAGE OF RODS SPENT OR REMOVED FROM REACTORS means WATER WITH DRY ICE COOLING FOR TRIP TO SEA THEN DROPPING RODS going to 12,000 feet depth in THE BATHYPELAGIC ZONE below the 3,000 feet to say 12,000 FEET might find 36 degrees F. Each is suitable perhaps for storage of spent fuel rods in very deep sections of sea water. Such no doubt was the bulk of laughter when it was recommended that spent rods be deep six stored rather than underground in areas like the scrubbed YUCCA MOUNTAIN storage which might now be for members of Congress and their families to live in any Nuclear Emergency in the USA. Wonder if SUPER THICK MILL PLASTIC SHEATING WOULD ALLOW SEALING FROM SALT WATER YET LET COLD GO THROUGH TO KEEP RODS SAFE ? Check with NRC personnel on this NEW STORAGE METHOD " DEEP SIX " IDEA ! As a State of Florida Certified Plumbing Contractor let me tell you that SOLAR ENERGY/DIESEL GENERATORS should be the backup system for batteries and generators running pumps for cooling near ALL NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS AND EARTHQUAKE PROOF BLADDERS AND TANKS SHOULD HOUSE EXTRA FRESH WATER NEAR NUCLEAR REACTORS for just such an emergency. DRY ICE CAN BE DROPPED INTO THE POOLS AS WELL AS LOX OR LIQUID NITROGEN PUSHED THROUGH STEEL PIPING SUBMERGED AND EXPOSED IN THE WATER TO ALLOW COOLING BUT HOSPITALS HAVE LARGE TANKS WHICH CAN BE RELOADED WHEN RUNNING OUT LIKE I FOUND AT TAMPA GENERAL HOSPITAL when working there for 8.5 years. Why CNN does not show super tankers pulled or pushed loaded with fresh water from even CHINA if necessary into the harbor near the stricken plants or cities to supply fresh potable water for drinking and bathing is still a mystery. 100 foot coils of black plastic piping coiled and attached to tanks with shower handles and ball valve would allow any WORKERS to be decontaminated with fresh warm water or showers but I still like the DECONTAMINATION PROCEDURES WRITTEN BY DR. DOUG ROKKE FOR THE U.S. MILITARY. Roads should have 100 tankers with fresh water coming into the area like milk trucks to let the people fill gallon zip lock bags which can be doubling as latrine items storing urine and fecal matter to be picked up and burned. COLD WEATHER SIGNALS USE OF DRUM LINERS TWO PER PERSON STEP INSIDE THEN PULL ONE OVER YOUR HEAD AND SLEEP WARM ..... CAMP JAPAN CAN MAKE IT ! Don't start on not having fuel when there are thousands upon thousands of vehicles with gasoline tanks still containing gas sitting everywhere plus trucks and boats using diesel would power super generators which have not arrived for reasons unknown. SNAP LIGHTS or shake and snap which last 12 hours giving off light could be used by people inside rolling latrines over 55 gallon drums with seal top lids LEFT OPEN for pickup on barges and dropping or washing contents off barges at sea to make fish food. People cringed when I recommended taking the dead to barges, having a prayer service then taking barges to sea, chopping up the dead with SUPER STRONG WOOD CHIPPERS then washing down the barges after all are made into FISH FOOD. What are you going to do ? Burn the bodies releasing RADIOACTIVE PARTICLES INTO THE JAPANESE AIR, WATER, SAND AND SOIL OR ON PLANTS AS IT FALLS BACK TO THE GROUND WHILE BODIES ARE CREMATED ? Now that is smart ! See http://www.scribd.com.ralphwhitleysr as these items needed NOW in Japan were provided on the Internet for the earthquake in Haiti from a Florida Contractor! NOW FOR NUCLEAR REACTOR LEAK WITH WATER CONTAMINATION: Ever hear of QUICKRETE HYDRAULIC CEMENT which almost sets up in water which can be poured outside a container area with a crack while de-watering through pumps and special piping with filters occurs keeping the area dry until a few cement trucks can pull up and the entire load forced into a hole which will also cause cement to seal the crack and come inside the container a small amount. Plumbing Contractors USE hydraulic cement for leaks with septic tanks which are concrete and steel. CHECK WITH THE EXPERTS IN JAPAN since WE have to mix only what we will use in 3 minutes so several people with those 10 mil thick bags or super powerful mixing items can allow mixing and pouring quickly into the hole sealing the crack then cement trucks with different cement mixture can apply a concrete WEDGE WITH STEEL SUPPORT PILINGS TO KEEP IT ALL IN PLACE ! Time involved including digging perhaps less than 2 hours on site. HYDRAULIC CEMENT MUST BE PLACED QUICKLY INTO THE AREA that is why we recommended using a rubber section and steel supported by pilings and plate with hydraulic jacks. Gives you a little more time to work out the problems stopping the water flow and allowing de-watering of the soil. http://www.quikrete.com/ProductLines/HydraulicWaterStopCementPro.asp http://www.quikrete.com/PDFs/DATA_SHEET-Hydraulic%20Water-Stop%20Cement%201126.pdf FIRST REQUIREMENT STOP THE LEAK WITH MATTING AND THEN POUR CONCRETE, EVEN HYDRAULIC INSIDE IF DESIRED AND THE LEVEL OF WATER CAN BE BROUGHT DOWN IN THE CONTAINER: No need to try to worry when one can place even thick rubberized matting over a crack then reinforce the outer crack with steel and use `12 inch wide steel sections pounded into the ground then apply pressure over the plate with jacks before pouring all in concrete. STOP THE LEAK - ABSOLUTELY. Prevent further cracks if there is an explosion MAYBE NOT but then one can use the huge circular container welded in place where you would seal same all around building then pour concrete over the top some 20 feet high and buried some 10 feet in the ground or more sealing everything ! Read what was recommended then check it out immediately. REMEMBER 1 FOOT THICK RUBBER MAT CUT X FEET SQUARE OVER CRACK IN WALL OR CONTAINER ALLOWING 12 INCHES UP, SIDES AND DOWN FOR FUTURE CRACKS, THEN PLANT OR POUND THICK STEEL PLATES INTO THE GROUND TO ALLOW A FORMED CUT SECTION OF STEEL TO BE LOWERED THEN HYDRAULIC JACKS PUSHING THE PLATE OVER THE PATCH OF RUBBER ONLY TO STOP THE LEAK BEFORE CRACKING MORE THEN SEAL ALL IN HYDRAULIC CEMENT ! How long does that take and you have stopped the leak or crack ! HYDRAULIC CEMENT MUST ONLY BE MIXED WITH FRESH WATER FOLKS......NO SALT WATER OR IT WILL FAIL ! Think of Japan building a SEAWALL when they pound special plates in the ground then sealing same they POUR CEMENT FOOTERS after sealing the sea water away with pumps DE WATERING the area for a few hours at least. HOW HARD CAN THAT BE TO VISUALIZE. Now think of 10 mil thick 3 FT SQUARE BAGS then find barges of Concrete in 80 pound bags, Take a few tanker trucks with cement trucks and load the cement trucks with the proper mixture and you have a CEMENT PLANT. Due to the radiation the CEMENT might have to come from inland in those trucks but CEMENT PUMPS like HI-RISE BUILDERS use pouring flooring UP will push the slurry mix any height required and it is CRITICAL to verify FRESH WATER and proper mixture of HYDRAULIC CEMENT to make it set up quickly. Professionally submitted FREE to the NRC and people of Japan.

It's Official HAARP Involved With Japan Earthquake

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It's Official HAARP Involved With Japan Earthquake

Posted By: Mr.Ed [Send E-Mail]
Date: Monday, 4-Apr-2011 09:56:33

On Mon, 4/4/11, JamesG wrote: From: JamesG Subject: [ECETI News] It's Official HAARP Involved With Japan Earthquake To: eceti@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 4, 2011, 12:07 AM This is TESLA technology.... remember the experiment where he started a low-frequency thrumming against the base of a skyscraper... and within a short period of time, the building was shaking so violently it threatened to fall. This technology was apparently applied 100km away from the fault line, on SOLID GROUND WHERE NO EARTHQUAKE COULD OCCUR Subject: HAARP Magnetometer data shows Japan earthquake was induced. The United States Air Force and Navy has provided a visual insight into what caused the 9.0 magnitude off of Japan on March 11, 2011 at 05:46:23 UTC. The image above was downloaded from the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP) website. It is a time-frequency spectrogram, which shows the frequency content of signals recorded by the HAARP Induction Magnetometer. By looking at the accompanying HAARP spectrum chart above you can see when the 9.0 magnitude earthquake struck - red line drawn vertically - and what was happening before and after the earthquake. What you can also see is a constant ULF frequency of 2.5 Hz being recorded by the magnetometer. The ULF 2.5 Hz frequency is evidence of an induced earthquake. The chart recorded this constant before, during and after the 9.0 magnitude earthquake struck. On March 11, 2011 the 2.5 Hz ULF frequency was being emitted and recorded from 0:00 hours to about 10:00 hours - or for 10 hours. We know for a fact that the Japan earthquake lasted only a few minutes so why was the earthquake signature frequency (2.5 Hz) being recorded for 10 hours on the morning of March 11, 2011? Because a HAARP phased array antenna system was broadcasting (transmitting) the 2.5Hz ULF frequency and it triggered the Japan earthquake and ensuing tsunami. If you go to HAARP's official website you can see for yourself that the 2.5 Hz ULF frequency wasn't only being broadcated for 10 hours, it was constantly being broadcasted for 2 days prior to the earthquake. http://presscore.ca/2011/?p=1624 ...'The induction magnetometer detects temporal variation of the geomagnetic field based on Faraday's law of magnetic induction.'... ...'installed at the HAARP site is designed to detect a signal level of a few picoTesla (pT) at 1 Hz.'... ...'Magnetic field variations of interest in this program are those induced by electric currents in the ionosphere.'... DID HAARP CAUSE THE EARTHQUAKE IN JAPAN? A look at the induction magnetometer charts from last year's earthquake in Haiti as well as from the recent earthquake measuring 9.1 on the Richter scale that triggered a tsunami and destruction on the Japanese east coast show surprising similarities that point to an artificial cause and the use of HAARP technology. In the case of Haiti, low frequency signals of 2,1 Hz were detected for 40 hours before the earthquake occurred while in the case of Japan something similar happened. Low frequency signals of 2,5 Hz were detected for about 55 hours before the earthquake occurred off the coast of Japan as well as for 4 hours afterwards. Check out the time-frequency spectrograms at this link for actual dates:http://maestro.haarp.alaska.edu/cgi-bin/scmag/disp-scmag.cgi Viewing these charts, it is reasonable to ask if the low frequency (LF) or more specifically extreme/ultra low frequency (ELF/ULF) magnetic flux induced signals of about 2 to 2,5 Hz really emanated from solar activity and other such natural sources or whether they were, in fact, caused by HAARP activities either in Gakona or Poker Flats facilities. A steady signal lasting for so many hours at such a low frequency is highly likely not caused by natural activity in space but by some type of artificial "human-made" activity. It is especially interesting that this signal stopped abruptly at full swing on January 11 at ~01:00 hrs UTC only to resume with full amplitude again at ~03:30 hrs UTC as if it had been switched off and on at full power! Bernard Eastlund explored beaming High Frequency (HF) and Extremely High Frequency (EHF) waves, of extremely high power (over a billion watts), directly at a point on the ionosphere. As a result, the ionosphere became heated from the accumulating electrical energy. You might think of it as "cooking" the atmosphere. The heated portion of the ionosphere expands like heated plastic and is lifted to a higher altitude, causing an atmospheric "bulge." Eastlund discovered that this bulge was highly reflective when it came to radio waves. Because of its altitude, it could bounce high frequency radio signals to points well beyond the horizon. http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2011/03/26/did-haarp-cause-the-earthquake-in-japan/ "The potential exists for generating such waves by ground-based heating of the ionosphere. The heater is used to modulate the conductivity of the lower ionosphere, which in turn modulates ionospheric currents. This modulated current, in effect, produces a virtual antenna in the ionosphere for the radiation of radio waves. The technique has already been used to generate ELF/VLF signals at a number of vertical HF heating facilities in the West and the Soviet Union. To date, however, these efforts have been confined to essentially basic research studies, and few attempts have been made to investigate ways to increase the efficiency of such ELF/VLF generation to make it attractive for communications applications. In this regard, heater generated ELF would be attractive if it could provide significantly stronger signals than those available from the Navy's existing antenna systems in Wisconsin and Michigan." "Recent theoretical research suggests that this may be possible, provided the appropriate HF heating facility was available. Because this area of research appears especially promising, and because of existing Department of Defense requirements for ELF and VLF, it is already a primary driver of the proposed research program." http://www.outlawjournalism.com/news/?p=2648

Inside Job, Oscar-Winning Documentary -FREE

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Inside Job, Oscar-Winning Documentary that Cost $20,000,000,000,000 to Produce, Now Online (Free)

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Date: Monday, 4-Apr-2011 08:54:22

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Inside Job, Oscar-Winning Documentary that Cost $20,000,000,000,000 to Produce, Now Online (Free) In late February, Charles Ferguson’s film – Inside Job – won the Academy Award for Best Documentary. And now the film documenting the causes of the 2008 global financial meltdown has made its way online (thanks to the Internet Archive). A corrupt financial industry, its corrosive relationship with politicians, academics and regulators, and the trillions of damage done, it all gets documented in this film that runs a little shy of 2 hours. Inside Job (now listed in our Free Movie collection) can be purchased on DVD at Amazon. We all love free, but let’s remember that good projects cost real money to develop, and they could use real financial support. So please consider buying a copy. Hopefully watching or buying this film won’t be a pointless act, even though it can rightly feel that way. As Charles Ferguson reminded us during his Oscar acceptance speech, we are three years beyond the Wall Street crisis and taxpayers (you) got fleeced for billions. But still not one Wall Street exec is facing criminal charges. Welcome to your plutocracy… You can check it out here http://www.openculture.com/2011/04/inside_job.html

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HATONN'S "GROUP OF 6" DECLARE "DURHAM INSTRUMENTS A FRAUD"??? [WHAT THE HELL DID THEY TRY TO BUY THEM FOR IF "FRAUDULENT

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Date: Monday, 4-Apr-2011 08:39:28

CONFLICT OF INTEREST IN THE "HIGHEST OFFICES OF THE US" DEVASTATES THE STATES OF THE UNION watcher51445 -- Wednesday, 30-Mar-2011 21:19:45 http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=200938 Marcos believed in the treasure. After he became president, a large number of military were assigned full time to treasure hunt under the secret leadership of his most trusted Fabian Ver. Progress reports to Marcos about various treasure site excavations were found in the palace after the Edsa insurrection. Aside from Ver, the team included Col. Mario Lachica, Gen. Santiago Barangan, Gen. Onofre Ramos, Col. Florentino Villacrucis, Col. Porfirio Gemoto, Gen. Ramon Cannu, Gen. Tomas Dumpit, Col. Orlando Dulay, Maj. Patricio Dumlao, Johnny Wilson and Venancio Duque. One day Marcos explained to Enrique Zobel de Ayala < http://www.nenepimentel.org/bluerib/zobel-depo.htm > that he reminted gold bars in Hong Kong in 1946 and accumulated more through various treasure hunts but kept everything secret because other countries might have legal claims until 1985 because of the statute of limitations. 1967. While Marcos was rather quick later in life to talk about his wealth as the result of treasure hunting, he was all the time loathe to talk about commissions and payoffs, confiscations and outright thievery. In the year 1967 Marcos received his first payoffs from the US government. After he committed troops to Vietnam, he began receiving quarterly checks of US$200,000.00 each, delivered by the US Embassy, as per a secret agreement "between officials of Department of State and President Marcos that the Philippine Government could conceal the receipt of these payments from the Philippine public in its national defense budget." July 07, 1967. Papers found in Malacañang showed Marcos opened his first bank account abroad on this day when he deposited US$215,000.00 in Chase Manhattan Bank in New York. Not yet accustomed to hiding money, he used his own name. The following year, 1968, he opened his first Swiss account. March 21, 1968. The Manila Times headline was "CAMP MASSACRES BARED", reporting the massacre of fourteen soldiers on Corregidor island, with another 40 missing, in a Marcos project code-named Jabida, whose aim was sabotage and insurgency in Sabah. The recruits were Filipino Muslims and the target was a Malaysian Muslim state. The recruits naturally rebelled and were therefore massacred. To Marcos, the natural resources of Sabah were the ultimate gold mine. He said as much so many times to mistress Dovie Beams. And he claimed to have the Special Power of Attorney on Sabah from the Sultanate of Jolo, traditional owners of what had now become a Malaysian state. MORE AT SOURCE: March 1968. Walter Fessler, an official of Credit Suisse Bank in Zurich, came to Manila. He was brought to Malacanang. Forms were filled out and signatures appended. On his signature verification form, Marcos wrote out "William Saunders (pseudonym)," an alias he had used in his WWII days, and underneath that name he wrote "Ferdinand Marcos (real name)." Imelda did the same, choosing Jane Ryan as her pseudonym. Four bank accounts were opened. Four checks, totalling US$950,000.00 were given for the deposit. January 01, 1970. Today Marcos announced to the nation that he was giving up all his worldly wealth. He now admitted he was rich. This was amazing. He never admitted anything. But then came the blockbuster."You know how I made my pile? I discovered Yamashita's treasure." MORE AT SOURCE: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/secretgoldtreaty/chron_appendix7.htm Sunday, 3-Apr-2011. 1989 PHILIPPINE INTELLIGENCE "EYES ONLY" REPORT TO CORAZON C. AQUINO RE: PHILIPPINE GOLD FOR YOUR EYES ONLY 10 October 1989 CORAZON C. AQUINO President of the Philippines Malacanang, Manila Dear Mrs. President, I have never waivered in my commitment to serve you and our people over the past few years. Even in our bleakest moments, I was confident we would triumph -- and thus far, we have. In the course of tracking down the right-wing military adventurists a task which is continuing, we have unearthed a story -- parts of which you may have heard before -- but which we feel deserves a serious second glance at this particular historical conjuncture. I ask you to please read through this report personally and not show or pass it on to other officials of this govemment until we have had the chance to meet, should you feel such a meeting is necessary after going through this. Please suspend your judgment and disbelief and know that this report was written after much in-depth intelligence work and soul-searching on my part. 'snip' ONE: A 1983/84 sale we are reconstructing indicates that the 11 monarchs of Europe syndicated a deal involving over 120 banks with the Bank of England as the lead bank to buy back some of the gold. This transaction is known by the code JOB/HK/25 http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=201298 October 28, Col. Russell Herrmann-Herrman-HERMAN, kidnapped, taken to St. Marys Health Care Facility, Clayton, Missouri. Held, Invasively Radiated, given Psychological Exams at 1: A.M. while sedated. State of Missouri, Governor Mel Carnahan. Atty. Gen. John Ashcroft. CONTACT: THE PHOENIX PROJECT November 23, 1993. Guenther Russbacher in prison, State of Missouri. Mel Carnahan Gov. http://www.phoenixarchives.com/contact/1993/1193/112393.pdf CONTACT: THE PHOENIX PROJECT [Volume 2. No. 6. August 3, 1993] "THE WORLDS LARGEST TREASURE HUNT" http://www.phoenixarchives.com/contact/1993/0893/080393.pdf CLAIM JUMPING OF SABAH-SULU ISLANDS 400 METRIC TONNES OF ZULU GOLD STOLEN Then we have the next questions for you and your other Royal families to sit around for discussion, as does Malaysia own Sabah or not? And again the answers is NO, No and they do not own Sabah.. Then the third question will be, then who owns Sabah region DH, can you answer these simple questions? I think you cannot, as you do not know what the hell you are talking about. All you want is to have independence and get one of your own people to be elected to be the Sultan of Sulu Sultanate. I have done a great deal of research on the SULU GOLD and I am convinced that while I do not agree that 100% of what was lent to the Philippine Government at 1% a year was 100% the gold just from the old Sultan Kiram family, I have records to prove that 80% of it as 320,000MT did come from that Sultan Kiram. However this current Sultan Fuad Kiram showed he had the wisdom of King Solomon. This Fuad Kiram instead of demanding all of the 380,000MT that He legally can claim in the International Courts of that 400,000MT that was deposited for the RESERVE BANKING or BANK RESERVE to support the US Dollars and Peso back over 58 yeaers ago, this Fuad Kiram did show his inner wisdom, when he signed the agreement to just ask for 200,000MT plus a additional 20,000MT for possibile estate duty taxes to be paid on his Father's estate of 100,000MT. That SAMCO RECOVERY GROUP was not happy when their client (Sultan Fuad Kiram) gave up so much to reach a out of court compromised agreement, that only was asking a little more than just 50% of that 400,000MT. Also just asking for 1/2% of the 1% lease fee that was a legal financial requirement to be paid by the Government of the Philippines ( RP ). So I heard that all of those agreements were signed by Sultan Fuad Kiram and everything certified or notarized and legalized by several countries already. All of the documents were done as a peaceful juster to reach out to resolve the problems between the TAGEA-KIRAM-TALLANO clans or their Royal families. However, since there seems to be some serious legal questions as to if the man who was the Chairman of the Foundation that was organized with that false Engineer name Cenon C. Marcos, and those fake "Attorney " persons, to have registered the exact same name as a Philippine Corporation as was under the control of American Agent E.J. Ekker, then there were serious questions as to why they KICKED OUT this Prince Julian M. Tallano from that Philippine Foundation, told that Prince never to come back, get out and stay away. So Cenon C. Marcos became the President and He was the one that kicked out that Prince Julian M. Tallano (Muslim). OK, then American Agent E.J. Ekker ended up kicking and getting rid of Engineer CENON C. MARCSO and EKKER wanted to take out 80,000MT of that 400,000MT of gold for himself and his wife, named Doris. Anyhow, when Mr. Ekker proclaimed that He could legally grab the gold of the Royal families of the Philippines as He was hold the debt of the U.S. Treasury being a old PERU BOND (that no one seems to now even have in their hands ), then EKKER assums that the gold of 400,000MT some how belongs to the U.S. Treasury or something like that, when that is not true. In fact, I heard that there were intentions of the Sultan Fuad Kiram wanting to have wanted to sell a lot of his recovered gold to the U.S. Treasury in support of American, but when it was proclaimed that Mr. EJ EKKER claimed he can grab any gold anywhere in the World if it was deposited to the name of the U.S. Treasury, then the Sultan Fuad Kiram had to make a seperate authorization to allow for the gold to also be sold to the BANK OF ENGLAND to avoid the gold grab by Mr. Ekker of that Global Alliance Investment Association ( GAIA ). While I have not seen the actualy documents that were signed and given to the British, I was told by reliable people that the British which I assume is ENGLAND, is aware of the intentions of Sultan Fuad Kiram in having authorizes the sale of gold to BANK OF ENGLAND from the 50% of the 400,000MT. It seems that everytime American Agent Ekker does something, then other people have to counteract Mr. Ekker's intentions. READ MORE: http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi/noframes/read/138422 NOW! IT BEGINS TO GET INTERESTING: ONCE AGAIN ATTEMPTS TO BRING "RUSSELL HERMAN" INTO THIS BY AN ALLEGED "WHISTLEBLOWER" One explanation, which really makes me smile, was how she and Russell Herrmann were perusing through a local fair and came across a book stall. On the Book Stall they notice a Bible similar to the one she had in her own possession, which she claims is a family bible (Note: I actually undertook a posting on Bibles at the time). They (VKD and Russell Herrmann) bought the bible and later returned home. Examining the Bible they cam across a document inserted at the back of the Bible. Let’s look at this story in perspective. The original Peruvian Certificate is approximately 22 inches x 13 inches and would have been printed on a minimum of 180 gram security paper (It was more likely to have been 220 gram – 230 gram paper), but we will give VKD the benefit of the doubt on this and for the purpose of this explanation we will use 180 gram paper. If readers now go out and purchase a sheet of 180 gram paper and cut it to the size given above (22 x 13). Now fold it in half Four (4) times. Then insert it in the back of a book which would probably be similar in size to today’s A4 size. Put some weight on it and leave it like that for One (1) month minimum. http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi/noframes/read/157185 [VKD COMMENT: BIBLE MEASURES 13.5 inches Long X 10 /14 inches Wide. Certified Instrument folded four times (4) owned by Dona Vina Durham, Held in Durham Intl. Ltd; Trust, Tias 12087 http://www.theantechamber.net/Vk2009/DocumentationValidation.htm BELIEVE IT OR "NOT" Russell Herman owned no portion of BONUS 3392 OR PERUVIAN CERTIFICATE OF INDEBTEDNESS NO. 181. His name is nowhere to be found on TITLE INSTRUMENTS or CERTIFICATION BY PERU. The Portion Assigned to Cosmos Seafood Energy Marketing Ltd; Nevada ID# 1707-85 1988 Durham Intl. Ltd; Assignment to Cosmos Seafood Energy Marketing, Ltd; http://www.theantechamber.net/VkDocuments/DocGroupJ/J1.htm GROUP_ E_5 3.13.85 .. 3.88/89 COSMOS SEAFOOD ENERGY MARKETING, LTD. [THE CORPORATION’S DULY APPOINTED RESIDENT AGENT IN CHARGE OF SAID PRINCIPAL OFFICE....] Note: Click on page to enlarge http://www.theantechamber.net/VkDocuments/Pages/Epage5.html THE BEFORE-MENTIONED "NEVADA REGISTERED-RETIRED CORPORATION" IS HELD IN "DURHAM INTL. LTD; HOLDING TRUST, and has been held in Trust/Retired since June 17, 1997. VKD Further comments: E.J. and Doris J. Ekker incorporated the Retired and Held in Trust COSMOS SEAFOOD ENERGY MARKETING, LTD. # 1707-85 just as they incorporated US Treaty and Federal Corporations. see: snip: "Taking down the U.S. DOLLAR which the entire Global Banking, Financing and Economics are "peged".. along with setting up all of those "DEVELOPMENT BANKS" mentioned by E.J. Ekker: "Inter-American Development Bank just set up a little nice banks all around, you know, the little Asian Development Bank, European Development Bank, Hong Kong Development Bank, po-dunk Development Bank, and ever so many more. This sprang out of Inter American Investment Corporation MINE originally set up by the Bush's but never through Incorporation OOPS, BIG GOOF!! This was also pretty inclusive of the DEPOSIT TRUST [Depository Trust Co. 55 Water Street, New York, New York] outfit who runs all the stocks, etc. [end quote] source http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=158479 BY NOW you've probably figured out this is one BIG CIRCLE JERK and CLUSTER FLUCK!, due to CLAIM JUMPING OF OTHER PEOPLES PROPERTYS i.e., CORPORATIONS. HAS'NT ANY ONE WONDERED WHY THIS? Hmmm!? Mysterious Withdrawal Of Gold From GLD Exchange Traded Fund (views: 14) watcher51445 -- Sunday, 3-Apr-2011 08:18:38 http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=201244 IT ALL GO'S BACK to WHAT THE FOLLOWING INTELLIGENCE REPORT TO PRESIDENT CORAZON C. AQUINO IN THE: 1989 PHILIPPINE INTELLIGENCE "EYES ONLY" REPORT TO CORAZON C. AQUINO RE: PHILIPPINE GOLD http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=201298 SNIP: Before his death, Marcos organized what is called THE UMBRELLA, a network of 54 people whose task is to manage these assets in the event of his death. In theory, the umbrella, not Mrs. Marcos or his children would execute his will. At least two members of the umbrella's inner core of about one dozen are already working with us. VKD: WHY is RUSSELL HERMAN's NANE Always associated with this PHILIPPINE GOLD? WHY were these individuals always trying to "connect" Russell and the Peruvian BONUS 3392? Russell's name can be found no-where on any TITLE OF RECORD or THE CERTIFICATION of BONUS CONTRACT 3392 OR 181? The way I figure it; SOMEONE had to find "LEGITIMATE/LAWFUL COLLATERAL" TO BACK THE WORLDS LARGEST "GOLD THEFT".. THE ONLY THING THAT QUALIFIED WAS "BONUS CONTRACT 3392 AND 181. RE: THE UMBRELLA, a network of 54 people. ONLY TWO PEOPLE whom I have known in my lifetime was smart enough to pull off THE UMBRELLA i.e., HOWARD HUGHES and RUSSELL HERMAN. The two men were business associates and long time friends. BOTH "BAG MEN" ASSOCIATED WITH THE US FED. GOVT. BOTH OF WHOM I STRONGLY BELIEVE WERE CONNECTED TO: "THE UMBRELLA" which would explain the CI-LTD "TRU HAND ACCOUNT" which held around 17Trillion in GOLD BULLION at REPUBLIC NATIONAL BANK, NEW YORK, NEW YORK.. RUSSELL HERMAN ACCOUNT HOLDER. THIS ACCOUNT WAS "STOLEN" MOVED TO ANSCHBACHER IN THE GURNSEYS.. THEN ON TO CREDIT LYONAISE AND UBS Switzerland at the time of Russell Herman's Murder.. See: http://www.theantechamber.net/V_K_Durham/VkPublicNotice.html AND YET ANOTHER SUSPECT DEATH: COL. AL CARONE. COL. AL CARONE was the Bag Man for the NEW YORK MOB in the Banking Systems.. This is his daughter "Dees Deposition" http://www.tomflocco.com/fsimage/Jfk/CutoloColCoroneDeposition.htm and the list goes on. THE "HATONN" which the "GAIA" EKKERS fronted for and the SAUDI "GROUP OF 6" you will find here: Figure that one out, minions of the fourth apex, and ye just might come up with the action tool of debatable purpose. This, friends and comrades of mine, is only the plurable beginning of austere financing. HATONN. SCRIBED QUOTES THROUGH THE PEN AND ARTICULATE HAND OF UTHRANIA SEILA AKA HRH SAUDI CROWN PRINCESS RANIA BINT ABDULAZIZ IBN ABDULRAHMAN IBN AL-SAUD CO-COMMANDER OF THE HOLY AND MOST ARTICULATE AND BRAVE SAUDI NATIONAL GUARD OVER ALL OUR NATIONS CO-SUB-COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF OF THE IRAQI FORCES AND PROTECTOR OVER THE MOST SOVEREIGN ARAB REPUBLIC OF EGYPT BY MANDATE OF MY FAMILY'S LOYALTY AND GRATEFULNESS TO THE FORMER PRESIDENT GAMAL ABDEL NASSER, PERMANENT SECRETARIAT ON BEHALF OF THE KINGDOM OF SAUDI ARABIA TOWARD THE ENERGY FORUM IN PROMOTING CONTINUOUS DIALOGUE BETWEEN PRODUCERS AND CONSUMERS AND SUPREME HEAD ADVISOR TO HIS EXCELLENCY THE ANNOINTED KING ABDULLAH IBN ABDULAZIZ IBN ABDULRAHMAN AL-SAUD, CUSTODIAN OF THE TWO HOLY MOSQUES, PRIME MINISTER- PREMIER AND RETAINING COMMANDER OF THE SAUDI NATIONAL GUARD. CO-SUB-COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF OF THE IRAQI FORCES AND HEAD OF THE ESQUARIAN HIGH COMMITTEE FOR JEDDAH ROYAL SAUDI SEAL CLICK: http://www.theantechamber.net/C8mirror/ChapterEight.html READ MORE: http://www.theantechamber.net/C8mirror/ChapterEight.html CLAIM JUMPERS; YOUR HOMES, FARMS, STOCK INVESTMENTS, MONEY MARKETS, ETC http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=200967 ATTEMPT TO BUY "DURHAM TRUST" PROJECT HAMMER , TOP 25 INTERNATIONAL BANKS, FED. R/OITC http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=195487