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Message from SaLuSa by MADAD - September 27, 2013
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Date: Saturday, 28-Sep-2013 23:06:06
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Message from SaLuSa by MADAD - September 27, 2013
House passes military pay bill tied to government shutdown
House
passes military pay bill tied to government shutdown
Reuters – 1
hr 9 mins ago
WASHINGTON
(Reuters) - Members of the U.S. military would continue to be paid in the event
of a government shutdown
under a bill passed on Sunday by the Republican-led House of Representatives.
House
Republicans drafted the measure as part of a threat to shut down the government this
week unless implementation of President Barack Obama's landmark 2010
healthcare law was delayed for a year.
Democrats backed the
bill but complained that it ignores the value of other federal workers who
would be laid off in case of a government shutdown.The House passed the military pay bill unanimously.
(Reporting by Richard Cowan; Editing by Paul Simao)
http://news.yahoo.com/house-passes-military-pay-bill-tied-government-shutdown-042833229.html
Spiritual Reclamations across the world inaugurate new “Jubilee Revolution” – Debts, laws nullified
Spiritual Reclamations across the world inaugurate new “Jubilee Revolution” – Debts, laws nullified
Posted on September 23, 2013 by itccs
An ITCCS Breaking News Update : Rome, Equinox Sunday, September 22, 2013
Traditional elders, shamans and clergy gathered near the Vatican today and in at least six other countries to inaugurate a new spiritual regime that nullifies and replaces the Church of Rome, as well as "ungodly laws and economies".
Invoking divine authority, the closed ceremonies culminated twenty one days of global prayer and fasting on behalf of "all of the victims of a false church and its spirit of lies and murder".
In Rome, nine elders held a sacred circle ceremony near the Via della Conciliazione opposite St. Peter's Square to "complete the cycle of exorcism begun here in 2009", according to participant Brother Ciaran Ui Niall of Wexford, Ireland, who stated during the opening proceedings,
"The Roman papacy has been found guilty in the courts of man because first it was condemned by God. Divine judgement knows no compromise or evasion, and says, 'I the Lord God am against the false shepherds and shall destroy them and their evil.' And so we witness today to the spiritual truth that the rule of Rome is over, for God has dissolved all such man made authority on earth, and all unjust rulers, whether religious or secular."
Similar ceremonies occurred in London, Cork, Amsterdam, Boston, Vancouver and eight other cities, and were accompanied by the occupation and seizure of catholic churches by citizens bearing common law warrants.
The Spiritual Reclamation was accompanied by a global media statement that clarified the full dimension of the Sunday Equinox Jubilee action. It reads in part,
"On August 4, 2013, the corporate entity calling itself the Church of Rome was lawfully disestablished and publicly declared to be a global criminal body, without standing or authority.
Today, on Equinox Sunday, September 22, 2013, the same criminal entity has been spiritually disestablished, declared abomination, anathema and anti-Christ, and banished from the world. Christians are now free to be faithful to Christ alone within their own self-governing congregations, separate from the corporate apostasy of the papacy and mediated religion. For God's law lives in every human heart and not in institutions.
Likewise, the fallen social and economic global order instituted historically by the corporation of the Church of Rome is similarly disestablished according to the Jubilee Leviticus Laws of Renewal and Equality within the new Jubilee congregations we are forming, as a sign of the new creation.
The world and the land shall rest from injustice, greed and usury. All debts and interest rates are cancelled, and the land and its wealth is placed in common so that all people may dwell in peace and equality, as God wills it to be. Let all people rally to this new Jubilee order under the direct supremacy of God and Natural Law."
In Ireland, Canada and America, catholic clergy have already announced their plan to disaffiliate from Rome and establish their own national, congregationally-based churches, according to Not in Our Name (NON), a Dublin based group. A similar movement has begun in the American mid-west in a Common Law Congregational Movement, which seeks to base Christian churches on Common Law rather than be tied to the state or admiralty and canon law.
NON and the Jubilee congregational movement can be contacted at thecommonland@gmail.com.
Issued by The International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State (Brussels)
Nobel Peace Prize nominee Kevin Annett and The Rainbow Warrior, Joshua Lemmens check out the September 2013 TRC event in Vancouver, where governement and corporate agencies spent multi millions of dollars covering up even more residential school atrocities by putting on a well controlled show. Is this the native way? No, it is not. We are sorry so many people came with good intentions and good hearts, however this is not a true representation of what happened and what is still going on today.
OkieOilMan
[..OkieOilMan] GOOD SATURDAY AFTERNOON AMERICA, SHIPS AT
SEA AND ALL OUR WORLD WIDE FRIENDS. ON MY LAST POST PREVIOUS TO THURSDAY NIGHT
I ADDRESSED MY LANDING EXPECTATIONS BASED UPON BANKING FURNISHED INFORMATION.
AS OF LAST THURSDAY NIGHT THE R/V WAS SCHEDULED. DURING THE TEST RUN THURSDAY
NIGHT SOME OF THE BANKS (INTERNATIONAL) DIDN'T RESPOND CORRECTLY. THEN FRIDAY
LATE AFTERNOON WE AGAIN WERE INFORMED THE R/V WAS TO TRANSPIRE, AND ONCE AGAIN
THERE WERE A PROBLEM WITH SOME COMMUNICATION (INTERNATIONALLY). WE WERE
INFORMED REGARDLESS FROM THAT POINT ON THE R/V WOULD OCCUR BY OCT 1ST. THAT IS
MY CURRENT INFORMATION AND AM HOPEING THE OCT 1ST DEADLINE WILL BE IMPLEMENTED.
THERE ARE SEVERAL AGREEMENTS, CONTRACT'S AND BOND TRANSFERENCE ALONG WITH
INNER-RELATIONS DEADLINE BETWEEN COUNTRIES (INTERNATIONAL) THAT HAS THE OCT 1ST
DEADLINE BINDING CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENTS AS TO THAT DATE. THAT IS WHERE WE STAND
AT THIS EXACT TIME. THE R/V CAN STILL OCCUR AT ANY TIME BUT HERETOFORE DIDN'T
SEEM TO HOLD MUCH VALIDITY AS TO DATE STATED. WE HOPE THIS DEADLINE WILL BE MET
FOR A CHANGE. KEEP THE FAITH AND PRAYERS GOING UP---------BLESSINGS GALORE
[..OkieOilMan] THIS WAS SCHEDULED LAST APRIL. BUT--THE LONGER IT HAS BEEN DELAYED HAS A POSITIVE EFFECT IN RELATION TO THE RATE. EVERYTIME IT WAS DELAYED THE RATE OF EXCHANGE ROSE, SO IN ESSENCE--WE HAVE PROFITTED FROM IT. IT HAS RISEN DRAMATICALLY SINCE THEN
[..OkieOilMan] WITH THE GLOVES BEING TAKEN OFF THIS FIGHT ON OTHER SITES I THINK IT IS ABOUT TIME TO START ALLOWING RATES AND DATES TO BE ADDRESSED. AFTER ALL THAT IS WHAT WERE INTERESTED IN INSTEAD OF IDLE CHIT CHAT AND CHERRY PIE RECEIPES------THIS IDEA IS SUBJECT TO MOD'S INPUT AND APPROVAL
[..OkieOilMan] WHY DO YOU THINK I HAVE BEEN DIRECTING YOU TO ANOTHER SITE (TNT) IT IS SOLELY BECAUSE THEY ADDRESS WHAT WE ARE INTERESTED IN
[..OkieOilMan] THERE ARE NO ONE (INCLUDING MYSELF) THAT HAS BETTER INFORMATION THAN TONY
[chuck60] ..OkieOilMan - Have the PTB lightened up on what you are allowed to tell us? Thanks.
[..OkieOilMan] CHUCK--I COULD CARE LESS AT THIS LAST MOMENT OF AN N.D.A---WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO---EAT ME?
[..OkieOilMan] RATE AND DATE DISCUSSION IS AT THE PEROGITIVE OF THE ADMINISTRATION AND MOD'S--WHATEVER THEY DECIDE IS FINE WITH ME---THEY HAVE A PROVEN TRACK RECORD OF KEEPING THE NATIVES FROM REVOLTING----I WOULD NOT LIKE TO CONTRIBUTE TO ANY DISCENSION WHATSOEVER.
[..OkieOilMan] LETS NOT DISCUSS RATES AND DATES PENDING AUTHORIZATION FROM ADMINISTRATION AND MODS---LET THEM DECIDE PLEASE
[..OkieOilMan] PLEASE LET THE ADMINISTRATION AND MODS GIVE PERMISSION BEFORE PROGRESSING TO RATE AND DATE QUESTIONS
[..OkieOilMan] O.K. GUYS--WE CAN TURN HER LOOSE NOW--BUT----NO ARGUEING OR BASHING AND KEEP DIS-AGREEMENTS COURTEOUS AND AT A MINIMUM OR ELSE I WILL DROP A BOMB RIGHT BETWEEN YOUR EARS.---LETS NOW FOCUS OUR ATTENTION ON THE REAL SUBJECT AT HAND AND BE PATIENT WITH NEWBYS
[..OkieOilMan] LETS SEE IF ANY OF US ARE INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS THAT HAS BEEN LONGING IN YOUR MINDS
[..OkieOilMan] YES THAT IS THE RATE THAT HAS BEEN ON THE BANK SCREENS FOR SEVERAL DAYS---THE RATE CAN BE CHANGED AT THE LAST MOMENT BUT THAT RATE IS SHOWING INTERNATIONALLY PRESENTLY'
[..OkieOilMan] IF AN Q&A IS TO FOLLOW---PLEASE DO IT IN AN ORDERLY MANNER AND A TIME FOR RESPONSE PLEASE
[..OkieOilMan] THE 3 SIGNATURES NECESSARY FOR THIS TO PROCEED WAS ONLY OBTAINED LAST THURSDAY----AND NO---OBAMA CAN'T STOP IT NOW
[keiji] ..OkieOilMan If you take the 25.87 and move the decimal over to the left 2 spots, it come out to 3.86. Do you think there is anything to that or just an coiencidence?
[..OkieOilMan] KEIJI--I GAVE YOU THE RATE OF 25.87 THAT IS ON THE BANK SCREENS SUBJECT TO THEM CHANGING THEM AT THE LAST MINUTE
[Orchid] ..OkieOilMan Is it possible that the Prez is using the CE as leverage for the continued resolution on the debt ceiling battle?
[..OkieOilMan] ORCHID--APPLES AND ORANGES
[linenman] we still need 2 bank accounts one each for iqn and vnn
[..OkieOilMan] LINENMAN--DEFINITELY--
[..Gracious] Since the phone line issue is resolved. Are we now in the window to RV again?
[..OkieOilMan] GRACIOUS--WE HAVE BEEN IN THE WINDOW SO LONG IT IS GETTING NOSE MARKS ON THE GLASS
[Cajun43] okie do you see oct 2nd as a back wall date??
[..OkieOilMan] CAJUN--NOPE--I WOULD HOPE BUT OCT 8TH IS ALSO IN PLAY--I AM NOT SURE THERE ARE SUCH A THING ANYMORE AS A BACK WALL---IT IS IMMENENT NOW
[..OkieOilMan] GIVE ME TIME ON CODERED56 ANSWER. YES LAST THURSDAY HALLIBURTON CONTRACTORS WAS PAID (ON THEIR CHECK) AT THE RATE OF 25.87---BUT---THERE WERE A 7 DAY HOLD PUT ON ALL BUT 3.44 PER DINAR ON THEIR CHECK WITH THE CAVEOT OF REMAINING AMOUNT DUE IN 7 DAYS
[TXengineer] Is there any validity to the statement that there are some that have exchanged by special invitation already?
[..OkieOilMan] TXENGINEER--VERY VERY FEW
[LuvDinar] ..OkieOilMan Do you know if the Private Placement rate will be significantly higher than the "ceiling" rate one "could" negotiate for at a bank if a person holds less than $10M dinar?
[..OkieOilMan] LUVDINAR--THERE ARE MISNOMERS REGARDING RATE BASED ON THE AMOUNT YOU POSSESS
[cchad3] ..OkieOilMan Are there any actions or events that should take place before the emails can be sent?
[..OkieOilMan] CCHAD3--TO MY KNOWLEDGE THE BANK IS ENTIRELY IN CONTROL OF THE RELEASE AS WELL AS THE NOTIFICATION PROCESS WHICH IS STILL AN UNSETTLED QUESTION TO MYSELF AND OTHERS WHO IS FOLLOWING THIS CLOSELY
[mystery] Do u have rates on VND?
[..OkieOilMan] MYSTERY--UNDER 3
[..OkieOilMan] LET ME ADDRESS THE BEST QUESTION OF THE DAY FROM RAM1---GIVE ME TIME. THERE IS INFORMATION FLOATING AROUND (WHICH IS PARTIALLY TRUE) THAT IF WE NEGOIATE FOR MORE THAN THE 25.87 THAT THERE ARE A IRS TRAP BEING LAID AS TO THIS BEING AN INVESTMENT INSTEAD OF A CURRENCY EXCHANGE AND THE DIFFERENCE IN THE TAXES WOULD NEGAITE THE HIGHER RATE AFTER TAXES BEING LESS NET THAN IF WE SETTLED AT THE BANK RATE---THIS IS IN DISCUSSION PRESENTLY'
[..OkieOilMan] SOME QUESTIONS WILL TAKE ME LONGER THAN OTHERS--BE PATIENT PLEASE---THANKS
[..sambo] ..OkieOilMan I AM HEARING THAT OCT 8th IS RELEASE OF A NEW $100 - BUT FROM VIEWING A PICTURE OF IT - IT IS STILL A FRN - CAN YOU SHED ANY LIGHT ON THIS
[..OkieOilMan] SAMBO--THE NEW UST MONEY WILL STILL HAVE FED RES ON IT---IT WILL SPEND THE SAME DURING THE TRANSISTION TIME OF PHASING IN NEW BILLS
[..OkieOilMan] THIS IS THE WAY THIS SITE SHOULD HAVE OPERATED ALL ALONG------OPEN AND RESPECTIFUL AND ABOVE ALL ----HONEST AND INFORMATIVE
[expecteychangey] ..OkieOilMan when you say the bank is in control do you mean only WF?
[..OkieOilMan] CXPECT CHANGE----THE UST WILL ISSUE THE GO AHEAD CODE TO ALL THE BIG 5 BANKS THEN IT WILL FILTER DOWN FROM CORPORATE BANKS TO SUBSIDARIES
[CigarDan] can you explain the difference in IQD vs. IQN & VNN? And why we are supposed to state IQN?
[..OkieOilMan] CIGARDAN--THE DIFFERENCE IS THE AMOUNT YOU WILL RECEIVE UPON REDEMPTION--THE IQD IS TO BE EXCHANGED AT A MUCH LOWER RATE THAN THE IQN---SAME SCENARIO APPLIES THE THE VND NEEDING TO BE ADDRESSED AS THE VNN
[jagpro] Okie sooo glad to see you in here, my brother lives in the BVI'S when this goes "live" would it be better for him to C/E in San Juan since that is part of the USA and the other countries wont get the higher rate we are offered frm what we have heard?
[..OkieOilMan] JAGPRO--DON'T KNOW PROTOCOLS OF PUERTO RICO
[jagpro] ..OkieOilMan thanks I guess we will find out when it happens
[..sambo] FOR THOSE WHO WHAT TO VIEW THE NEW US CURRENCIES HERE IS THE LINK - http://tinyurl.com/l936zm9
[piepieagain] ..OkieOilMan Do you know the cutoff amt for the higher tax rates and will that info be included in the email or will we have to wait until our appt for details?
[..OkieOilMan] PIEAGAIN--BANKS WITH AND CANNOT LEGALLY WITHHOLD TAXES. THE TAXATION ISSUE IS STILL BEING PROPOSED IN CONGRESS AND AS TO MY UNDERSTANDING WONT EVEN BE ADDRESSED UNTIL NOVEMBER
[ram1] ..OkieOilMan Do you know if the bank fees for doing or CE are already included $25.87 or if they will charge more?
[..OkieOilMan] RAM--UNKNOWN
[TMUSTEEN] ..OkieOilMan wil the 30 day ce still apply?
[..OkieOilMan] MUSTEEN--ABSOLUTELY AND IT IS IMPERATIVE WE ADHERE TO THE 30 DAY LIMITATION
[banty] is the 30 day limitation only for the high rate on iqn ... does this apply to vnn as well
[..OkieOilMan] BANTY--I AM NOT SURE BUT I AM SURE ABOUT THE IQD (IQN) SINCE THE VIET NAM CURRIENCY IS ALREADY INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNIZED I WOULD ASSUME THERE WOULD BE NO LIMITATION ON REDEMPTION OF IT
[kitchencat ] OkieOilMan IQD vs IQN since I like most of us have held this dinar for several years won't this automatically defalt to the IQD lower rate?
[..OkieOilMan] KITCHENKAT---ADJUST YOUR THINKING--THERE ARE NO RELEVANCE TO YOUR QUESTION---NOT APPLICABLE
[dyer447] If the IRS tax issue is to be announced in November, are we walking into a trap if we c/e before the 30 day window?
[..OkieOilMan] DYER--AND EVERYONE--SIGN ONLY THE FINCEN 104 (UPDATED FORM) DO NOT SIGN OTHER DOCUMENT ADMITTING TO MAKING AN INVESTMENT
[fbrinkdoc] Also since the VNN has no tax advantage, would it be safe to say we could try to negotiate our highest rate?
[..OkieOilMan] BRINKDOC---RATE FOR VNN IS SET--NEGOIATING NOW APPLICABLE---RATE SET INTERNATIONALLY
[texas1837] ..OkieOilMan Will anything over let's say $20M be considered an investment instead of an exchange. That's completely hypothetical, but will there be a certain amount that is considered investment and taxed at a different rate than just an exchange? Your thoughts? Are you hearing anything on this? tks
[..OkieOilMan] TEXAS---MAKES NO DIFFERENCE---CURRENCY IS CURRENCY IN ANY AMOUNT AND IS TO BE TREATED AS SUCH
[Jubilee] I am going to rephrase Kitchencat's question a little, cause I am still confused on this. I know IQN is the new way it will show up at reset. But we purchased IQdinar... how is it we can we call IQN now and have I it be different? What does the N stand for, and why will what we own be IQN? And why will others have IQD if they use the wrong terminolgy? I don't understand this yet.
[..OkieOilMan] JUBILEE---THE N STANDS FOR NEW----OVER SIMPLIFICATION IS---IT'S THE LOWER DENOMS
[..OkieOilMan] THE N SIGNIFIES THEIR NEW CURRENCY AT THE NEW VALUE
[ky9toes] Can we exchange for metals and foreign currency in the group or is it for UST only
[..OkieOilMan] KYTOES---ASK THE BANK
[Ween1] ..OkieOilMan What is your Gut feeling about this process, do feel that it will be done by October 2nd? Thank you and We Love you!!
[..OkieOilMan] WEEN--HAS BEEN SCHEDULED SINCE LAST APRIL---GO FROM THERE
[dinarmom] ..OkieOilMan If someone was not able to sign up for the email list for the bank, can we share the 800#? Aloha and Mahalo!!!
[..OkieOilMan] DINARMOM--JUST NOT POSTED--USE YOUR PHONE OR E-MAIL--DON'T WORRY--THE NEWS WILL GO VIRAL
[Mountain-Mama] [.~dinarmama7] I know many wonder about multiple appointments without being punished or held to a certain group or rate. Could you address that to the best of your ability.
[..OkieOilMan] MONUTAINMAMA YOUR FIRST APPOINTMENT WILL BE THE REDEAMING MEETING--THEN A 2ND MEETING WITH WEALTH ADVISORS AND ATTORNEYS AT BANK CAN BE MADE AT A LATER DATE.
[.~dinarmama7] CAN THEY HAVE AN APPT TO EXCHANGE SOME VNN OR A SINGLE IQN AND THEN HAVE ANOTHER APPT IS WHAT HEY WANT TO KNOW. HAS BEEN MUCH CONTROVERSY ON THAT.
[..OkieOilMan] BANKS HAS REPORTED THEY WILL BE OPEN FROM 7 AM TILL 11PM FOR THE 30 DAY PERIOD WHICH WILL BE ADEQUATE TIME FOR ALL SO AS NOT TO RUSH TO THE BANKS AND HAVE FOOTPRINTS ON YOUR BACK
[..OkieOilMan] DINARMAMA--BANK QUESTION
[..OkieOilMan] LETS KEEP IT SIMPLE--GET THE 800 NUMBER--SCHEDULE AN APPOINTMENT--GO TO BANK--EXCHANGE CURRENCY---MAKE ADDITIONAL LATER APPOINTMENTS IF NECESSARY---GO OUTSIDE--PEE YOUR PANTS---DO HOME---CHANGE UNDERWEAR---THEN THINK IT OUT FROM THERE---SEE---ITS JUST THAT SIMPLE
[.SEDNET1] ..OkieOilMan SIR, SINCE THE VNN IS "ALREADY" AN INTERNATIONALLY TRADED CURRENCY, SEEMS TO ME IT WOULD FOLLOW, THAT EXCHANGE OF SAID CURRENCY WOULD NOT HAVE ANY INFLUENCE ON THE IQN EXCHANGE? DO YOU CONCUR?
[..OkieOilMan] SEDNET--SOUNDS REASONABLE TO ME
[.SEDNET1] THANK YOU SIR
[freddyj] ..OkieOilMan anything you can share about PP's?
[..OkieOilMan] FREDDY--PP'S AND R'V AND GS ALL SET TO GO RAPIDLY IN ORDER WITH EACH OTHER--SOME ARE REPORTING 30 DAYS FOR THE PP'S
[mex4i4can] i know you have stated tnt tony as a good source, are there other currencies in play like indonesian rupiah and zimbabwe dollar, tnt tony has mentioned rupiah, what are your thoughts ? thanks
[..OkieOilMan] MEX414--BE SATISIFIED WITH WHAT YOU HAVE----
[LuvDinar] ..OkieOilMan Will we be given information regarding the Private Placement before we call the 800#? And is that rate going to be significantly higher than the bank rate?
[..OkieOilMan] LUVDINAR--YES I KNOW WHAT THE CEILING IS FOR THE PRIVATE PLACEMENT BUT HERE IS THE CATCH---IT MAY BE TREATED DIFFERENTLY TAXATION WISE WHERE IN ESSENCE YOU WOULD RECEIVE LESS NET WITH THE HIGHEST RATE OVER WHAT THE BANK RATE IS-----IT IS A PERSONAL DECISION BUT WE NEED MORE TAXATION INFORMATION TO FORMULATE A POSITIVE CONCLUSION
[..OkieOilMan] LETS TRY TO KEEP IT TO A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS PER INDIVIDUAL SO AS TO LET ALL HAVE AN EQUAL CHANCE FOR A QUESTION----THANKS
[..OkieOilMan] LETS ENERTAIN NEWBY QUESTIONS AS MOST ALL OLDER MEMBERS HAS ALREADY HAD THEIR QUESTIONS ANSWERED A LONG TIME AGO
[squeakster] ..OkieOilMan - thank you so much for all you do! I realize no one knows for sure but recently some people have said this could go to 2014, 2015, even 2016. Do you see this going into 2014 or beyond? thank you again sir!
[..OkieOilMan] SQUEAKSTER---WELL----------I NEVER SAY NEVER-----BUT THIS HAS FOOLED ME MORE THAN ONCE. BUT----GIVEN ALL THE OCT 1ST. AGREEMENTS PROGRESSING NOW I DONT SEE IT GOING ON A GREAT DEAL LONGER
[satcet77] Do we have to be in a group to exchange?
[..OkieOilMan] SATCET77--NO YOU HAVE NO REQUIREMENT TO BE A MEMBER OF ANY GROUP TO EXCHANGE
[burchds] Okie Is your group sill the best opportunuty to CE or should we go on our own?
[..OkieOilMan] BURCHDS--I HAVE NO GROUP--OUR SITE CO-OPERATED WITH WF TO FURNISH E-MAILS FOR NOTIFICATION PURPOSES ONLY
[loulou12] When exactly do we use the term iqn? Do we say we want to exchange our iqn or do we say we want to exchange our iqd for iqN? thank you.
[..OkieOilMan] LOULOU--FROM THIS MOMENT FORWARD YOU AND ALL READING THIS NEEDS TO START REFERRING TO IQD AS IQN AND VND AS VNN--IMPERITIVE TO DO SO
[..OkieOilMan] RUBY ASSOCIATE BANKS OF THE BIG 5 WILL OFFER YOU THE SAME RATE (PROBABLY) AS THE LARGER BANKS
[DinarBob] ..OkieOilMan With all the different groups, rates, including bank rates, taxation questions unanswered; will someone be able to post this information. Are we talking days to find out or hours?
[..OkieOilMan] DINARBOB--AS SOON AS INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE EITHER TONY OR MYSELF WILL TRY OUR BEST TO BE OF SERVICE TO OUR FELLOW DINARIANS
[BigB] ..OkieOilMan Will the rate flucuate during the 30 day CE?
[..OkieOilMan] BIGB--JUST LIKE THE FORE-X--DAILY FLUXUATIONS ARE MADE TO ACCOMODATE THE CURRENCY TRADERS AND YES THE RATE WILL FLUXUATE BUT BY ONLY FRACTIONS AND OF NO MAJOR CONSQUENCE TO MOST OF US----SOMETIMES FLUXUATIONS ARE MADE IN ONLY A TENTH OF A PENNY
[smitty] ..OkieOilMan You had mentioned the 25+ rate showing internationally. Can we assume then that the "Group Rate" would be higher then that? TKS
[..OkieOilMan] SMITTY--YES BUT AGAIN--THERE MAY BE AN IRS TRAP INVOLVED SO BE AWARE OF WHAT YOUR SITUATION IS
[DinarPrepper] ..OkieOilMan, Can you share a link to the terms of the private placement offer,and the cieling rate?
[..OkieOilMan] DINARPREPPER---NEVER ASK ME FOR A LINK--THAT IS NO WAY I WILL RESPOND TO THAT DISTRUST--EITHER TAKE WHAT I SAY OR LEAVE
[..OkieOilMan] THE PRIVATE PLACEMENT RATE IS JUST THAT AT THE PRESENT MOMENT-------PRIVATE!!!!!!!
[Jubilee] ..OkieOilMan Would you be willing and able... to advise us which would be the best way to go WHEN this RV occurs? Not specific tax info... but just adviseing the better way to approach our CE.... at that point in time?
[..OkieOilMan] A FEW MORE QUESTIONS AND PREFERABLY FROM NEWBYS----ALSO NO IM'S AS I AM TYPING---IT MESSES ME UP
[wedidyoucan] ..OkieOilMan Do you know if exchange will be done at banks or off site.
[..OkieOilMan] WEDIDYOUCAN--I AM TOLD BOTH
[Dojebo] ..OkieOilMan Sir - newby here - will a separate 800# be given for those not in the private placement group?
[..OkieOilMan] DOJEBO---IT WILL BE POSTED ON TONYS SITE AND WE MAY POST IT HERE BUT I WILL HAVE TO CHECK WITH ATTORNEY ABOUT THE LEGALITY OF DOING SO AS WE ARE NOT LICENSED AS A CURRENCY POSTING TREASURY SITE
[cdr] ..OkieOilMan recently you said that post RV we will still have a chance at the golden ring, does that opportunity still exist?
[..OkieOilMan] CDR--PARTIALLY--DEPENDANT ON YOUR PAIN AND TOLERANCE FOR INVESTMENTS
[flyby] Do you still think a brokerage acct is the way to go?
[..OkieOilMan] FLYBOY--THERE ARE OPTIONS IN A BROKERAGE ACCOUNTS THAT ARE NOT AVAILABLE IN JUST A REGULAR ACCOUNT----ESPECIALLY IF YOU PLAN ON MAKING INVESTMENTS IN THE FUTURE IN STOCKS, BONDS, ETC ETC ETC------
[Believer2] What rate do you see for the VND dong on the screens now please?
[..OkieOilMan] BELIEVER2--FLUXUATION LESS THAN 3 BUCKS
[..OkieOilMan] EVERYONE NEEDS TO BEAR IN MIND THE PRESENT POSTED RATES ON THE SCREENS ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE UP UNTIL 2 MINUTES BEFORE GOING LIVE
[ellenge50] Okie, do you know if we will need to leave any of our money in the bank on second visit or can we receive cashier check for everything
[..OkieOilMan] ELLENGE50 BANKS MAY PREFER YOU LEAVE A SPECIFIED AMOUNT IN THEIR BANK--AFTER ALL--IT WOULD BE THE COURTEOUS THING TO DO AS THEY ARE THE ONES EXCHANGING FOR YOU. ALSO YOU MAY GET AS MANY CASHIER CHECKS AS YOU WANT BUT WHAT GOOD IS THAT OVER JUST LEAVING YOUR MONEY IN THE BANK?--OUTSIDE OF GIVING SOME CASHIER CHECKS TO SPECIFIED INDIVIDUALS THERE ARE NO ADVANTAGE TO C.C'S
[annma26] ..OkieOilMan The fact that the IQN and VNN are reported to ve so high ... what does that tell us? ie: Dollar devaluation? What are the consequences, if any to these high rates?
[..OkieOilMan] ANNMA26--I PERSONALLY EXPECT TO SEE A "FLASH CRASH" IN THE USD FOR A PERIOD OF TIME BEFORE IT RISING BACK UP TO PRESENT LEVEL.
[DinarBob] ..OkieOilMan If you are in a group or groups, I "assume" that you can chose not to use a group and chose the best rate with the less taxation issues when rates and taxation are known. I am hoping the current known rates are actual rates and not place holders.
[..OkieOilMan] DINARBOB--I AGREE--BUT--THINGS AS PRESENTED NOW HAS BEEN STABLE FOR OVER 2 WEEK'S NOW
[falcon] Okie, are you hearing there is still only a 30 day window for our currancy exchange?
[..OkieOilMan] FALCON--THAT IS AN ABSOLUTE
[deb1] Is it a good idea to place your Dinar and Dong in a foreign currency account until the RV?
[..OkieOilMan] DEB--YOU CAN'T DEPOSIT AN EXOTIC CURRENCY IN ANY BANK NOW
[chicagonewbee] do you think in any way that this will not happen or is there no turning back now?
[..OkieOilMan] CHICAGONEWBEE--IT HAS AND IS HAPPENING IN IRAQ AS WE SPEAK---DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION?
[blessings67] .~dinarmama7 zi always listen, but I have a question. Is it still good to ce into othere currencies
[..OkieOilMan] BLESSINGS--RELEVANT TO OTHER CURRIENCIES---IT MAY PROVE ADVANTAGEOUS TO DIVERSIFY INTO OTHER CURRIENCES PREDICATED ON THE "FLASH CRASH" THAT IS MORE THAN PROBABLE WITHIN THE NEXT 6-12 MONTHS
[rhondat49] should we let our children exchange or should we?
[..OkieOilMan] RHONDAT49--ARE YOU ON LIFE SUPPORT?---IF NOT---HANDLE YOUR OWN AFFAIRS IF POSSIBLE
[chicagonewbee] coming into all this money is very scarey will there be people on your site after it RVs to help us new people out to aid in the right choices
[..OkieOilMan] CHICAGONEWBEE--RELY ON THIS OR ANY OTHER SITE FOR FINANCIAL ADVICE. CONSULT A PROFESSIONAL WEALTH ADVISOR--JUST MAKE SURE HE IS SALARIED AND NOT ON COMMISSION.
[..OkieOilMan] WHOA----I MEANT DO NOT RELY ON THIS OR ANY OTHER SITE FOR FINANCIAL ADVICE-
[..OkieOilMan] HEY GUYS---ISN'T IT NICE TO FINALLY BE ABLE TO OPENLY DISCUSS WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN DOING ALL ALONG----I DECIDED TODAY THEY CAN TAKE THE NDA AND INSERT IT IN THEIR ANAL ORFICE. I HAVE BEEN SILENT TOO LONG AND AWOKE THIS MORNING AND THOUGHT----DANG---I'M TOO DARN OLD TO HAVE THIS MUCH INFORMATION AND BE HINDERED FROM SHARING IT WITH OTHERS THAT MAY NOT HAVE CULTIVATED THE RELATIONSHIP WITH INTEL SOURCES I HAVE DEVELOPED FOR OVER 40 YEARS WORLD WIDE IN THE OIL INDUSTRY. IT GIVES ME A WARM FEELING NOW TO SPEAK MY PIECE---I PRAY I MAY BE OF CONTINUED SERVICE TO MY FELLOW CHRISTIAN BROTHERS AND SISTERS
[..OkieOilMan] I WISH TO REALLY THANK THE ADMINISTRATION AND MOD'S FOR LETTING ME "TURN HER LOOSE"--THEY ARE A GREAT BUNCH OF PEOPLE AND YOU GUYS SHOULD REALY THANK THEM FOR THEIR SERVICE-----ICE TEA TIME----BLESSINGS GALORE AND I LOVE EACH OF YOU (INCLUDING THAT OLE SNOT)
[..OkieOilMan] I WOULD THINK NOW WE HAVE BROKEN THE ICE----THE TOPIC OF CONVERSATION HENCEFORTH SHOULD BE RELATED TO OUR BLESSING-------GONE
[..OkieOilMan] ONE LAST ADDENDUM---I AM IN THE PROCESS OF PROCURING ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND MAY BE BACK LATER. IN THE MEAN TIME IF THE MOD'S CAN CAPTURE QUESTIONS AND HAVE THEM PREPARED IN ADVANCE IT WOULD HELP THE ORGANIZATIONAL ASPECT AND SPEED THINGS UP BY DELETING SAME QUESTIONS------BLESSINGS GALORE
[..OkieOilMan] THOUGHT A GLASS OF TEA AND A NAP WAS IN STORE BUT INTEL JUST IN CONFIRMED THE 800 NUMBER ISSUE begin_of_the_skype_highlighting
800 NUMBER
ISSUE FREE end_of_the_skype_highlighting (WHICH WAS PART OF THE
DELAY) IS NOW SOLVED. THIS WITHIN ITSELF IS NOT THE R/V BUT---A VERY IMPORTANT
PART OF THE REDEMPTION PROCESS THAT COULD NOT HAVE PROCEEDED WITHOUT COMPLETION
OF THE ISSUE. JUST ANOTHER PIECE OF THE PUZZLE PUT IN PLACE.---A VERY IMPORTANT
AND NECESSARY PIECE.----BLESSINGS GALORE
[..OkieOilMan] THIS WAS SCHEDULED LAST APRIL. BUT--THE LONGER IT HAS BEEN DELAYED HAS A POSITIVE EFFECT IN RELATION TO THE RATE. EVERYTIME IT WAS DELAYED THE RATE OF EXCHANGE ROSE, SO IN ESSENCE--WE HAVE PROFITTED FROM IT. IT HAS RISEN DRAMATICALLY SINCE THEN
[..OkieOilMan] WITH THE GLOVES BEING TAKEN OFF THIS FIGHT ON OTHER SITES I THINK IT IS ABOUT TIME TO START ALLOWING RATES AND DATES TO BE ADDRESSED. AFTER ALL THAT IS WHAT WERE INTERESTED IN INSTEAD OF IDLE CHIT CHAT AND CHERRY PIE RECEIPES------THIS IDEA IS SUBJECT TO MOD'S INPUT AND APPROVAL
[..OkieOilMan] WHY DO YOU THINK I HAVE BEEN DIRECTING YOU TO ANOTHER SITE (TNT) IT IS SOLELY BECAUSE THEY ADDRESS WHAT WE ARE INTERESTED IN
[..OkieOilMan] THERE ARE NO ONE (INCLUDING MYSELF) THAT HAS BETTER INFORMATION THAN TONY
[chuck60] ..OkieOilMan - Have the PTB lightened up on what you are allowed to tell us? Thanks.
[..OkieOilMan] CHUCK--I COULD CARE LESS AT THIS LAST MOMENT OF AN N.D.A---WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO---EAT ME?
[..OkieOilMan] RATE AND DATE DISCUSSION IS AT THE PEROGITIVE OF THE ADMINISTRATION AND MOD'S--WHATEVER THEY DECIDE IS FINE WITH ME---THEY HAVE A PROVEN TRACK RECORD OF KEEPING THE NATIVES FROM REVOLTING----I WOULD NOT LIKE TO CONTRIBUTE TO ANY DISCENSION WHATSOEVER.
[..OkieOilMan] LETS NOT DISCUSS RATES AND DATES PENDING AUTHORIZATION FROM ADMINISTRATION AND MODS---LET THEM DECIDE PLEASE
[..OkieOilMan] PLEASE LET THE ADMINISTRATION AND MODS GIVE PERMISSION BEFORE PROGRESSING TO RATE AND DATE QUESTIONS
[..OkieOilMan] O.K. GUYS--WE CAN TURN HER LOOSE NOW--BUT----NO ARGUEING OR BASHING AND KEEP DIS-AGREEMENTS COURTEOUS AND AT A MINIMUM OR ELSE I WILL DROP A BOMB RIGHT BETWEEN YOUR EARS.---LETS NOW FOCUS OUR ATTENTION ON THE REAL SUBJECT AT HAND AND BE PATIENT WITH NEWBYS
[..OkieOilMan] LETS SEE IF ANY OF US ARE INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS THAT HAS BEEN LONGING IN YOUR MINDS
[..OkieOilMan] YES THAT IS THE RATE THAT HAS BEEN ON THE BANK SCREENS FOR SEVERAL DAYS---THE RATE CAN BE CHANGED AT THE LAST MOMENT BUT THAT RATE IS SHOWING INTERNATIONALLY PRESENTLY'
[..OkieOilMan] IF AN Q&A IS TO FOLLOW---PLEASE DO IT IN AN ORDERLY MANNER AND A TIME FOR RESPONSE PLEASE
[..OkieOilMan] THE 3 SIGNATURES NECESSARY FOR THIS TO PROCEED WAS ONLY OBTAINED LAST THURSDAY----AND NO---OBAMA CAN'T STOP IT NOW
[keiji] ..OkieOilMan If you take the 25.87 and move the decimal over to the left 2 spots, it come out to 3.86. Do you think there is anything to that or just an coiencidence?
[..OkieOilMan] KEIJI--I GAVE YOU THE RATE OF 25.87 THAT IS ON THE BANK SCREENS SUBJECT TO THEM CHANGING THEM AT THE LAST MINUTE
[Orchid] ..OkieOilMan Is it possible that the Prez is using the CE as leverage for the continued resolution on the debt ceiling battle?
[..OkieOilMan] ORCHID--APPLES AND ORANGES
[linenman] we still need 2 bank accounts one each for iqn and vnn
[..OkieOilMan] LINENMAN--DEFINITELY--
[..Gracious] Since the phone line issue is resolved. Are we now in the window to RV again?
[..OkieOilMan] GRACIOUS--WE HAVE BEEN IN THE WINDOW SO LONG IT IS GETTING NOSE MARKS ON THE GLASS
[Cajun43] okie do you see oct 2nd as a back wall date??
[..OkieOilMan] CAJUN--NOPE--I WOULD HOPE BUT OCT 8TH IS ALSO IN PLAY--I AM NOT SURE THERE ARE SUCH A THING ANYMORE AS A BACK WALL---IT IS IMMENENT NOW
[..OkieOilMan] GIVE ME TIME ON CODERED56 ANSWER. YES LAST THURSDAY HALLIBURTON CONTRACTORS WAS PAID (ON THEIR CHECK) AT THE RATE OF 25.87---BUT---THERE WERE A 7 DAY HOLD PUT ON ALL BUT 3.44 PER DINAR ON THEIR CHECK WITH THE CAVEOT OF REMAINING AMOUNT DUE IN 7 DAYS
[TXengineer] Is there any validity to the statement that there are some that have exchanged by special invitation already?
[..OkieOilMan] TXENGINEER--VERY VERY FEW
[LuvDinar] ..OkieOilMan Do you know if the Private Placement rate will be significantly higher than the "ceiling" rate one "could" negotiate for at a bank if a person holds less than $10M dinar?
[..OkieOilMan] LUVDINAR--THERE ARE MISNOMERS REGARDING RATE BASED ON THE AMOUNT YOU POSSESS
[cchad3] ..OkieOilMan Are there any actions or events that should take place before the emails can be sent?
[..OkieOilMan] CCHAD3--TO MY KNOWLEDGE THE BANK IS ENTIRELY IN CONTROL OF THE RELEASE AS WELL AS THE NOTIFICATION PROCESS WHICH IS STILL AN UNSETTLED QUESTION TO MYSELF AND OTHERS WHO IS FOLLOWING THIS CLOSELY
[mystery] Do u have rates on VND?
[..OkieOilMan] MYSTERY--UNDER 3
[..OkieOilMan] LET ME ADDRESS THE BEST QUESTION OF THE DAY FROM RAM1---GIVE ME TIME. THERE IS INFORMATION FLOATING AROUND (WHICH IS PARTIALLY TRUE) THAT IF WE NEGOIATE FOR MORE THAN THE 25.87 THAT THERE ARE A IRS TRAP BEING LAID AS TO THIS BEING AN INVESTMENT INSTEAD OF A CURRENCY EXCHANGE AND THE DIFFERENCE IN THE TAXES WOULD NEGAITE THE HIGHER RATE AFTER TAXES BEING LESS NET THAN IF WE SETTLED AT THE BANK RATE---THIS IS IN DISCUSSION PRESENTLY'
[..OkieOilMan] SOME QUESTIONS WILL TAKE ME LONGER THAN OTHERS--BE PATIENT PLEASE---THANKS
[..sambo] ..OkieOilMan I AM HEARING THAT OCT 8th IS RELEASE OF A NEW $100 - BUT FROM VIEWING A PICTURE OF IT - IT IS STILL A FRN - CAN YOU SHED ANY LIGHT ON THIS
[..OkieOilMan] SAMBO--THE NEW UST MONEY WILL STILL HAVE FED RES ON IT---IT WILL SPEND THE SAME DURING THE TRANSISTION TIME OF PHASING IN NEW BILLS
[..OkieOilMan] THIS IS THE WAY THIS SITE SHOULD HAVE OPERATED ALL ALONG------OPEN AND RESPECTIFUL AND ABOVE ALL ----HONEST AND INFORMATIVE
[expecteychangey] ..OkieOilMan when you say the bank is in control do you mean only WF?
[..OkieOilMan] CXPECT CHANGE----THE UST WILL ISSUE THE GO AHEAD CODE TO ALL THE BIG 5 BANKS THEN IT WILL FILTER DOWN FROM CORPORATE BANKS TO SUBSIDARIES
[CigarDan] can you explain the difference in IQD vs. IQN & VNN? And why we are supposed to state IQN?
[..OkieOilMan] CIGARDAN--THE DIFFERENCE IS THE AMOUNT YOU WILL RECEIVE UPON REDEMPTION--THE IQD IS TO BE EXCHANGED AT A MUCH LOWER RATE THAN THE IQN---SAME SCENARIO APPLIES THE THE VND NEEDING TO BE ADDRESSED AS THE VNN
[jagpro] Okie sooo glad to see you in here, my brother lives in the BVI'S when this goes "live" would it be better for him to C/E in San Juan since that is part of the USA and the other countries wont get the higher rate we are offered frm what we have heard?
[..OkieOilMan] JAGPRO--DON'T KNOW PROTOCOLS OF PUERTO RICO
[jagpro] ..OkieOilMan thanks I guess we will find out when it happens
[..sambo] FOR THOSE WHO WHAT TO VIEW THE NEW US CURRENCIES HERE IS THE LINK - http://tinyurl.com/l936zm9
[piepieagain] ..OkieOilMan Do you know the cutoff amt for the higher tax rates and will that info be included in the email or will we have to wait until our appt for details?
[..OkieOilMan] PIEAGAIN--BANKS WITH AND CANNOT LEGALLY WITHHOLD TAXES. THE TAXATION ISSUE IS STILL BEING PROPOSED IN CONGRESS AND AS TO MY UNDERSTANDING WONT EVEN BE ADDRESSED UNTIL NOVEMBER
[ram1] ..OkieOilMan Do you know if the bank fees for doing or CE are already included $25.87 or if they will charge more?
[..OkieOilMan] RAM--UNKNOWN
[TMUSTEEN] ..OkieOilMan wil the 30 day ce still apply?
[..OkieOilMan] MUSTEEN--ABSOLUTELY AND IT IS IMPERATIVE WE ADHERE TO THE 30 DAY LIMITATION
[banty] is the 30 day limitation only for the high rate on iqn ... does this apply to vnn as well
[..OkieOilMan] BANTY--I AM NOT SURE BUT I AM SURE ABOUT THE IQD (IQN) SINCE THE VIET NAM CURRIENCY IS ALREADY INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNIZED I WOULD ASSUME THERE WOULD BE NO LIMITATION ON REDEMPTION OF IT
[kitchencat ] OkieOilMan IQD vs IQN since I like most of us have held this dinar for several years won't this automatically defalt to the IQD lower rate?
[..OkieOilMan] KITCHENKAT---ADJUST YOUR THINKING--THERE ARE NO RELEVANCE TO YOUR QUESTION---NOT APPLICABLE
[dyer447] If the IRS tax issue is to be announced in November, are we walking into a trap if we c/e before the 30 day window?
[..OkieOilMan] DYER--AND EVERYONE--SIGN ONLY THE FINCEN 104 (UPDATED FORM) DO NOT SIGN OTHER DOCUMENT ADMITTING TO MAKING AN INVESTMENT
[fbrinkdoc] Also since the VNN has no tax advantage, would it be safe to say we could try to negotiate our highest rate?
[..OkieOilMan] BRINKDOC---RATE FOR VNN IS SET--NEGOIATING NOW APPLICABLE---RATE SET INTERNATIONALLY
[texas1837] ..OkieOilMan Will anything over let's say $20M be considered an investment instead of an exchange. That's completely hypothetical, but will there be a certain amount that is considered investment and taxed at a different rate than just an exchange? Your thoughts? Are you hearing anything on this? tks
[..OkieOilMan] TEXAS---MAKES NO DIFFERENCE---CURRENCY IS CURRENCY IN ANY AMOUNT AND IS TO BE TREATED AS SUCH
[Jubilee] I am going to rephrase Kitchencat's question a little, cause I am still confused on this. I know IQN is the new way it will show up at reset. But we purchased IQdinar... how is it we can we call IQN now and have I it be different? What does the N stand for, and why will what we own be IQN? And why will others have IQD if they use the wrong terminolgy? I don't understand this yet.
[..OkieOilMan] JUBILEE---THE N STANDS FOR NEW----OVER SIMPLIFICATION IS---IT'S THE LOWER DENOMS
[..OkieOilMan] THE N SIGNIFIES THEIR NEW CURRENCY AT THE NEW VALUE
[ky9toes] Can we exchange for metals and foreign currency in the group or is it for UST only
[..OkieOilMan] KYTOES---ASK THE BANK
[Ween1] ..OkieOilMan What is your Gut feeling about this process, do feel that it will be done by October 2nd? Thank you and We Love you!!
[..OkieOilMan] WEEN--HAS BEEN SCHEDULED SINCE LAST APRIL---GO FROM THERE
[dinarmom] ..OkieOilMan If someone was not able to sign up for the email list for the bank, can we share the 800#? Aloha and Mahalo!!!
[..OkieOilMan] DINARMOM--JUST NOT POSTED--USE YOUR PHONE OR E-MAIL--DON'T WORRY--THE NEWS WILL GO VIRAL
[Mountain-Mama] [.~dinarmama7] I know many wonder about multiple appointments without being punished or held to a certain group or rate. Could you address that to the best of your ability.
[..OkieOilMan] MONUTAINMAMA YOUR FIRST APPOINTMENT WILL BE THE REDEAMING MEETING--THEN A 2ND MEETING WITH WEALTH ADVISORS AND ATTORNEYS AT BANK CAN BE MADE AT A LATER DATE.
[.~dinarmama7] CAN THEY HAVE AN APPT TO EXCHANGE SOME VNN OR A SINGLE IQN AND THEN HAVE ANOTHER APPT IS WHAT HEY WANT TO KNOW. HAS BEEN MUCH CONTROVERSY ON THAT.
[..OkieOilMan] BANKS HAS REPORTED THEY WILL BE OPEN FROM 7 AM TILL 11PM FOR THE 30 DAY PERIOD WHICH WILL BE ADEQUATE TIME FOR ALL SO AS NOT TO RUSH TO THE BANKS AND HAVE FOOTPRINTS ON YOUR BACK
[..OkieOilMan] DINARMAMA--BANK QUESTION
[..OkieOilMan] LETS KEEP IT SIMPLE--GET THE 800 NUMBER--SCHEDULE AN APPOINTMENT--GO TO BANK--EXCHANGE CURRENCY---MAKE ADDITIONAL LATER APPOINTMENTS IF NECESSARY---GO OUTSIDE--PEE YOUR PANTS---DO HOME---CHANGE UNDERWEAR---THEN THINK IT OUT FROM THERE---SEE---ITS JUST THAT SIMPLE
[.SEDNET1] ..OkieOilMan SIR, SINCE THE VNN IS "ALREADY" AN INTERNATIONALLY TRADED CURRENCY, SEEMS TO ME IT WOULD FOLLOW, THAT EXCHANGE OF SAID CURRENCY WOULD NOT HAVE ANY INFLUENCE ON THE IQN EXCHANGE? DO YOU CONCUR?
[..OkieOilMan] SEDNET--SOUNDS REASONABLE TO ME
[.SEDNET1] THANK YOU SIR
[freddyj] ..OkieOilMan anything you can share about PP's?
[..OkieOilMan] FREDDY--PP'S AND R'V AND GS ALL SET TO GO RAPIDLY IN ORDER WITH EACH OTHER--SOME ARE REPORTING 30 DAYS FOR THE PP'S
[mex4i4can] i know you have stated tnt tony as a good source, are there other currencies in play like indonesian rupiah and zimbabwe dollar, tnt tony has mentioned rupiah, what are your thoughts ? thanks
[..OkieOilMan] MEX414--BE SATISIFIED WITH WHAT YOU HAVE----
[LuvDinar] ..OkieOilMan Will we be given information regarding the Private Placement before we call the 800#? And is that rate going to be significantly higher than the bank rate?
[..OkieOilMan] LUVDINAR--YES I KNOW WHAT THE CEILING IS FOR THE PRIVATE PLACEMENT BUT HERE IS THE CATCH---IT MAY BE TREATED DIFFERENTLY TAXATION WISE WHERE IN ESSENCE YOU WOULD RECEIVE LESS NET WITH THE HIGHEST RATE OVER WHAT THE BANK RATE IS-----IT IS A PERSONAL DECISION BUT WE NEED MORE TAXATION INFORMATION TO FORMULATE A POSITIVE CONCLUSION
[..OkieOilMan] LETS TRY TO KEEP IT TO A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS PER INDIVIDUAL SO AS TO LET ALL HAVE AN EQUAL CHANCE FOR A QUESTION----THANKS
[..OkieOilMan] LETS ENERTAIN NEWBY QUESTIONS AS MOST ALL OLDER MEMBERS HAS ALREADY HAD THEIR QUESTIONS ANSWERED A LONG TIME AGO
[squeakster] ..OkieOilMan - thank you so much for all you do! I realize no one knows for sure but recently some people have said this could go to 2014, 2015, even 2016. Do you see this going into 2014 or beyond? thank you again sir!
[..OkieOilMan] SQUEAKSTER---WELL----------I NEVER SAY NEVER-----BUT THIS HAS FOOLED ME MORE THAN ONCE. BUT----GIVEN ALL THE OCT 1ST. AGREEMENTS PROGRESSING NOW I DONT SEE IT GOING ON A GREAT DEAL LONGER
[satcet77] Do we have to be in a group to exchange?
[..OkieOilMan] SATCET77--NO YOU HAVE NO REQUIREMENT TO BE A MEMBER OF ANY GROUP TO EXCHANGE
[burchds] Okie Is your group sill the best opportunuty to CE or should we go on our own?
[..OkieOilMan] BURCHDS--I HAVE NO GROUP--OUR SITE CO-OPERATED WITH WF TO FURNISH E-MAILS FOR NOTIFICATION PURPOSES ONLY
[loulou12] When exactly do we use the term iqn? Do we say we want to exchange our iqn or do we say we want to exchange our iqd for iqN? thank you.
[..OkieOilMan] LOULOU--FROM THIS MOMENT FORWARD YOU AND ALL READING THIS NEEDS TO START REFERRING TO IQD AS IQN AND VND AS VNN--IMPERITIVE TO DO SO
[..OkieOilMan] RUBY ASSOCIATE BANKS OF THE BIG 5 WILL OFFER YOU THE SAME RATE (PROBABLY) AS THE LARGER BANKS
[DinarBob] ..OkieOilMan With all the different groups, rates, including bank rates, taxation questions unanswered; will someone be able to post this information. Are we talking days to find out or hours?
[..OkieOilMan] DINARBOB--AS SOON AS INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE EITHER TONY OR MYSELF WILL TRY OUR BEST TO BE OF SERVICE TO OUR FELLOW DINARIANS
[BigB] ..OkieOilMan Will the rate flucuate during the 30 day CE?
[..OkieOilMan] BIGB--JUST LIKE THE FORE-X--DAILY FLUXUATIONS ARE MADE TO ACCOMODATE THE CURRENCY TRADERS AND YES THE RATE WILL FLUXUATE BUT BY ONLY FRACTIONS AND OF NO MAJOR CONSQUENCE TO MOST OF US----SOMETIMES FLUXUATIONS ARE MADE IN ONLY A TENTH OF A PENNY
[smitty] ..OkieOilMan You had mentioned the 25+ rate showing internationally. Can we assume then that the "Group Rate" would be higher then that? TKS
[..OkieOilMan] SMITTY--YES BUT AGAIN--THERE MAY BE AN IRS TRAP INVOLVED SO BE AWARE OF WHAT YOUR SITUATION IS
[DinarPrepper] ..OkieOilMan, Can you share a link to the terms of the private placement offer,and the cieling rate?
[..OkieOilMan] DINARPREPPER---NEVER ASK ME FOR A LINK--THAT IS NO WAY I WILL RESPOND TO THAT DISTRUST--EITHER TAKE WHAT I SAY OR LEAVE
[..OkieOilMan] THE PRIVATE PLACEMENT RATE IS JUST THAT AT THE PRESENT MOMENT-------PRIVATE!!!!!!!
[Jubilee] ..OkieOilMan Would you be willing and able... to advise us which would be the best way to go WHEN this RV occurs? Not specific tax info... but just adviseing the better way to approach our CE.... at that point in time?
[..OkieOilMan] A FEW MORE QUESTIONS AND PREFERABLY FROM NEWBYS----ALSO NO IM'S AS I AM TYPING---IT MESSES ME UP
[wedidyoucan] ..OkieOilMan Do you know if exchange will be done at banks or off site.
[..OkieOilMan] WEDIDYOUCAN--I AM TOLD BOTH
[Dojebo] ..OkieOilMan Sir - newby here - will a separate 800# be given for those not in the private placement group?
[..OkieOilMan] DOJEBO---IT WILL BE POSTED ON TONYS SITE AND WE MAY POST IT HERE BUT I WILL HAVE TO CHECK WITH ATTORNEY ABOUT THE LEGALITY OF DOING SO AS WE ARE NOT LICENSED AS A CURRENCY POSTING TREASURY SITE
[cdr] ..OkieOilMan recently you said that post RV we will still have a chance at the golden ring, does that opportunity still exist?
[..OkieOilMan] CDR--PARTIALLY--DEPENDANT ON YOUR PAIN AND TOLERANCE FOR INVESTMENTS
[flyby] Do you still think a brokerage acct is the way to go?
[..OkieOilMan] FLYBOY--THERE ARE OPTIONS IN A BROKERAGE ACCOUNTS THAT ARE NOT AVAILABLE IN JUST A REGULAR ACCOUNT----ESPECIALLY IF YOU PLAN ON MAKING INVESTMENTS IN THE FUTURE IN STOCKS, BONDS, ETC ETC ETC------
[Believer2] What rate do you see for the VND dong on the screens now please?
[..OkieOilMan] BELIEVER2--FLUXUATION LESS THAN 3 BUCKS
[..OkieOilMan] EVERYONE NEEDS TO BEAR IN MIND THE PRESENT POSTED RATES ON THE SCREENS ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE UP UNTIL 2 MINUTES BEFORE GOING LIVE
[ellenge50] Okie, do you know if we will need to leave any of our money in the bank on second visit or can we receive cashier check for everything
[..OkieOilMan] ELLENGE50 BANKS MAY PREFER YOU LEAVE A SPECIFIED AMOUNT IN THEIR BANK--AFTER ALL--IT WOULD BE THE COURTEOUS THING TO DO AS THEY ARE THE ONES EXCHANGING FOR YOU. ALSO YOU MAY GET AS MANY CASHIER CHECKS AS YOU WANT BUT WHAT GOOD IS THAT OVER JUST LEAVING YOUR MONEY IN THE BANK?--OUTSIDE OF GIVING SOME CASHIER CHECKS TO SPECIFIED INDIVIDUALS THERE ARE NO ADVANTAGE TO C.C'S
[annma26] ..OkieOilMan The fact that the IQN and VNN are reported to ve so high ... what does that tell us? ie: Dollar devaluation? What are the consequences, if any to these high rates?
[..OkieOilMan] ANNMA26--I PERSONALLY EXPECT TO SEE A "FLASH CRASH" IN THE USD FOR A PERIOD OF TIME BEFORE IT RISING BACK UP TO PRESENT LEVEL.
[DinarBob] ..OkieOilMan If you are in a group or groups, I "assume" that you can chose not to use a group and chose the best rate with the less taxation issues when rates and taxation are known. I am hoping the current known rates are actual rates and not place holders.
[..OkieOilMan] DINARBOB--I AGREE--BUT--THINGS AS PRESENTED NOW HAS BEEN STABLE FOR OVER 2 WEEK'S NOW
[falcon] Okie, are you hearing there is still only a 30 day window for our currancy exchange?
[..OkieOilMan] FALCON--THAT IS AN ABSOLUTE
[deb1] Is it a good idea to place your Dinar and Dong in a foreign currency account until the RV?
[..OkieOilMan] DEB--YOU CAN'T DEPOSIT AN EXOTIC CURRENCY IN ANY BANK NOW
[chicagonewbee] do you think in any way that this will not happen or is there no turning back now?
[..OkieOilMan] CHICAGONEWBEE--IT HAS AND IS HAPPENING IN IRAQ AS WE SPEAK---DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION?
[blessings67] .~dinarmama7 zi always listen, but I have a question. Is it still good to ce into othere currencies
[..OkieOilMan] BLESSINGS--RELEVANT TO OTHER CURRIENCIES---IT MAY PROVE ADVANTAGEOUS TO DIVERSIFY INTO OTHER CURRIENCES PREDICATED ON THE "FLASH CRASH" THAT IS MORE THAN PROBABLE WITHIN THE NEXT 6-12 MONTHS
[rhondat49] should we let our children exchange or should we?
[..OkieOilMan] RHONDAT49--ARE YOU ON LIFE SUPPORT?---IF NOT---HANDLE YOUR OWN AFFAIRS IF POSSIBLE
[chicagonewbee] coming into all this money is very scarey will there be people on your site after it RVs to help us new people out to aid in the right choices
[..OkieOilMan] CHICAGONEWBEE--RELY ON THIS OR ANY OTHER SITE FOR FINANCIAL ADVICE. CONSULT A PROFESSIONAL WEALTH ADVISOR--JUST MAKE SURE HE IS SALARIED AND NOT ON COMMISSION.
[..OkieOilMan] WHOA----I MEANT DO NOT RELY ON THIS OR ANY OTHER SITE FOR FINANCIAL ADVICE-
[..OkieOilMan] HEY GUYS---ISN'T IT NICE TO FINALLY BE ABLE TO OPENLY DISCUSS WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN DOING ALL ALONG----I DECIDED TODAY THEY CAN TAKE THE NDA AND INSERT IT IN THEIR ANAL ORFICE. I HAVE BEEN SILENT TOO LONG AND AWOKE THIS MORNING AND THOUGHT----DANG---I'M TOO DARN OLD TO HAVE THIS MUCH INFORMATION AND BE HINDERED FROM SHARING IT WITH OTHERS THAT MAY NOT HAVE CULTIVATED THE RELATIONSHIP WITH INTEL SOURCES I HAVE DEVELOPED FOR OVER 40 YEARS WORLD WIDE IN THE OIL INDUSTRY. IT GIVES ME A WARM FEELING NOW TO SPEAK MY PIECE---I PRAY I MAY BE OF CONTINUED SERVICE TO MY FELLOW CHRISTIAN BROTHERS AND SISTERS
[..OkieOilMan] I WISH TO REALLY THANK THE ADMINISTRATION AND MOD'S FOR LETTING ME "TURN HER LOOSE"--THEY ARE A GREAT BUNCH OF PEOPLE AND YOU GUYS SHOULD REALY THANK THEM FOR THEIR SERVICE-----ICE TEA TIME----BLESSINGS GALORE AND I LOVE EACH OF YOU (INCLUDING THAT OLE SNOT)
[..OkieOilMan] I WOULD THINK NOW WE HAVE BROKEN THE ICE----THE TOPIC OF CONVERSATION HENCEFORTH SHOULD BE RELATED TO OUR BLESSING-------GONE
[..OkieOilMan] ONE LAST ADDENDUM---I AM IN THE PROCESS OF PROCURING ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND MAY BE BACK LATER. IN THE MEAN TIME IF THE MOD'S CAN CAPTURE QUESTIONS AND HAVE THEM PREPARED IN ADVANCE IT WOULD HELP THE ORGANIZATIONAL ASPECT AND SPEED THINGS UP BY DELETING SAME QUESTIONS------BLESSINGS GALORE
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Jester "Fincen Form" Chat from Friday Night Emailed to Recaps
Jester
"Fincen Form" Chat from Friday Night Emailed to Recaps
09/28/2013
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NOTE: THIS POST WAS TAKEN FROM THE
CHAT FRIDAY NIGHT AT JESTER'S PLACE... THERE IS IMPORTANT REFERENCE INFORMATION
AT THE END OF THE POST... IT IS NOT MY INTENTION FOR THIS TO BE MISCONSTRUED AS
PROFESSIONAL ADVICE... YOU SHOULD NOT BE GETTING ADVICE OF THIS NATURE FROM A
CHAT ROOM... PLEASE SEEK PROFESSIONAL ADVICE FROM A CPA/TAX ATTORNEY THAT CAN
HELP YOU MAKE THE RIGHT DECISIONS REGARDING TAX MATTERS WITH YOUR CURRENCY
EXCHANGE...
[Jester] DiddyKong I HAVE A LITTLE OTHER SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO GET OUT TO DINAR LAND THAT I WOULD LIKE TO COVER...
[kirbycat94] Jester I'm used to it by now. Nothing shocks me anymore
[Jester] INTERESTING CALL... WITH AN EMAIL FOLLOW UP... LET'S EXIT THE FISHBOWL FOR A FEW MINUTES... YOU GAME?
[DiddyKong] Jester awesome. Floor is all yours friend
....
Read More Link on Right
[Jester] DiddyKong I HAVE A LITTLE OTHER SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO GET OUT TO DINAR LAND THAT I WOULD LIKE TO COVER...
[kirbycat94] Jester I'm used to it by now. Nothing shocks me anymore
[Jester] INTERESTING CALL... WITH AN EMAIL FOLLOW UP... LET'S EXIT THE FISHBOWL FOR A FEW MINUTES... YOU GAME?
[DiddyKong] Jester awesome. Floor is all yours friend
....
Read More Link on Right
[Jester] SO... CERTAIN INFORMATION
ON THE FINCEN IS BEING CIRCULATED AROUND... ONCE IN DINAR LAND YOU SEE IT OR
HEAR IT... IT GETS ON CALLS AND BOARDS... I AM GOING TO SHARE THIS EMAIL IN 3
PARTS..
[Jester] PART ONE...
[Jester] PART ONE...
[Jester] Somebody
posted/reported: Two FINCEN forms have been provided by the IRS. One
specifically identifies these transactions as "currency exchange"
transactions. The other refers to them as "currency investments.
[Jester] RESPONSE...
[Jester] Whoever wrote the words talking about the FinCEN Forms has no idea what they are talking about.
[Jester] The reports referred to are titled “Currency Transaction Report” (Form 104) and are issued by the Department of the Treasury. And have nothing to do with the Internal Revenue Service.
[Jester] Each financial institution must file the FinCEN Form 104 for each deposit, withdrawal, exchange of currency, or other payment or transfer, by, through, or to the financial institution which involves a transaction in currency of more than $10,000.
[Jester] PART 2...
[Jester] RESPONSE...
[Jester] Whoever wrote the words talking about the FinCEN Forms has no idea what they are talking about.
[Jester] The reports referred to are titled “Currency Transaction Report” (Form 104) and are issued by the Department of the Treasury. And have nothing to do with the Internal Revenue Service.
[Jester] Each financial institution must file the FinCEN Form 104 for each deposit, withdrawal, exchange of currency, or other payment or transfer, by, through, or to the financial institution which involves a transaction in currency of more than $10,000.
[Jester] PART 2...
[Jester] DO NOT UNDER ANY
CIRCUMSTANCES sign any document which treats your exchange as a "currency
investment" or you will wind up paying as much as 39.5% in taxes!
"Currency Investments" will being taxed as Capital Gains
[Jester] RESPONSE...
[Jester] The tax advice they give in paragraph number two is incorrect. There is no 39.5% tax. The rate is 39.6% and the contemplated transaction will not be taxed as a capital gain no matter what you want to call it.
[Jester] PART 3...
[Jester] The proper and ONLY form is Form 104. It already states "Currency "Exchange" in Part II number 33. "Currency "Exchange" (tax unknown, possibly 11%)
[Jester] RESPONSE...
[Jester] Paragraph number three is correct in that Form 104, Part II, item #33 does have a check the box as “Currency Exchange(s)”, but that is all that is correct about paragraph number three in the email you sent. The remainder of paragraph is just Wrong. The tax is known and the rate is not 11%.
[Jester] SYNOPSIS...
[Jester] I would like for you to go backward in this email and get my reply to the person that this information came from and have them call me. This type of incorrect information on the internet could hurt a lot of people. Whoever wrote this is simply WRONG and does not know what they are talking about.
[Jester] END OF EMAIL...
[AdmrKris] Jester Many thanks. I've been trying to figure out the validity & correctness of that form.
[Jester] NOW... THIS CAME FROM A PROFESSIONAL CPA/TAX ATTORNEY.... THE POINT HERE IS THIS... THIS KIND OF STUFF IS EXACTLY THE KIND OF REASON THAT PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE GETTING ADVISE OF THIS TYPE FROM OUT OF THE DANG FISHBOWL... YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE YOU GET HELP FROM PROFESSIONALS AND MAKE SURE YOU GET IT DONE RIGHT...
[princessA] Thank you
[Jester] RESPONSE...
[Jester] The tax advice they give in paragraph number two is incorrect. There is no 39.5% tax. The rate is 39.6% and the contemplated transaction will not be taxed as a capital gain no matter what you want to call it.
[Jester] PART 3...
[Jester] The proper and ONLY form is Form 104. It already states "Currency "Exchange" in Part II number 33. "Currency "Exchange" (tax unknown, possibly 11%)
[Jester] RESPONSE...
[Jester] Paragraph number three is correct in that Form 104, Part II, item #33 does have a check the box as “Currency Exchange(s)”, but that is all that is correct about paragraph number three in the email you sent. The remainder of paragraph is just Wrong. The tax is known and the rate is not 11%.
[Jester] SYNOPSIS...
[Jester] I would like for you to go backward in this email and get my reply to the person that this information came from and have them call me. This type of incorrect information on the internet could hurt a lot of people. Whoever wrote this is simply WRONG and does not know what they are talking about.
[Jester] END OF EMAIL...
[AdmrKris] Jester Many thanks. I've been trying to figure out the validity & correctness of that form.
[Jester] NOW... THIS CAME FROM A PROFESSIONAL CPA/TAX ATTORNEY.... THE POINT HERE IS THIS... THIS KIND OF STUFF IS EXACTLY THE KIND OF REASON THAT PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE GETTING ADVISE OF THIS TYPE FROM OUT OF THE DANG FISHBOWL... YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE YOU GET HELP FROM PROFESSIONALS AND MAKE SURE YOU GET IT DONE RIGHT...
[princessA] Thank you
[texas77] Jester where does you
viewpoint fit into this dialogue? My reluctance to tax professionals is that no
one seems to really know the tax situation with our very exceptional situation.
[Jester] AND TRULY.... THIS GOES BACK TO THE EARLIER DISCUSSION OF DINAR LAND AND THE FISHBOWL ITSELF... ARE YOU ON THE INSIDE LOOKING OUT OR THE OUTSIDE LOOKING IN? TIME TO MAKE A DECISION FOR YOURSELF AND GET OUT OF THE DANG FISHBOWL
[Jester] AND TRULY.... THIS GOES BACK TO THE EARLIER DISCUSSION OF DINAR LAND AND THE FISHBOWL ITSELF... ARE YOU ON THE INSIDE LOOKING OUT OR THE OUTSIDE LOOKING IN? TIME TO MAKE A DECISION FOR YOURSELF AND GET OUT OF THE DANG FISHBOWL
[zorro] Jester CE then hire the best
of the best! IMO
[princessA] We need to pass on this tax info jester
[Jester] texas77 THE CPA/TAX ATTORNEY WILL KNOW... MINE DOES... I HAVE A PLAN ALL SET UP...
[rockymtn] Jester We have a financial advisor in this, a trust attorney (in this), and an accountant - and they still believe it's a grey area - although it will probably be capital gains if the currency exchange profit is over $200.
[texas77] Jester clearly I need your tax attorney.
[texas1837] Jester tks for that. I have thought this all along, so maybe now my husband will be convinced.
[Jester] rockymtn I AGREE WITH THAT... AND IT WILL FOLLOW THE CAPITAL GAINS TOO FROM WHAT I AM TOLD... YOUR INVESTMENT OVER A YEAR OR NOT?
[rockymtn] Jester dinar - over a year; dong - this year.
[citizensoldier] texas77 Many Tax and Legal Professionals "drink" from the same trough... Once the Rate is live and the great exchange begins, many CPA's and Tax Attorney's will know more than they do now.
[Jester] THERE ARE LOTS OF QUESTIONS.... BUT I AM GOING WITH THE CPA/TAX GUY... MY GUY HAS E&O INSURANCE IF HE MESSES UP... LOL
[citizensoldier] Be certain that the Errors and Omissions Insurance policies which are in place are substantial enough to cover "your" buns.
[Jester] citizensoldier FOR SURE...
NOW... AFTER THE ROOM CLOSED I DID A BIT OF RESEARCHING... I REMEMBERED THAT SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE THIS FORM WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE GONE ELECTRONIC... HERE IS THE INFORMATION THAT I FOUND... I HOPE IT HELPS YOU...
IT TURNS OUT THAT THE FINCEN FORM 104 HAS BEEN REPLACED WITH THE FINCEN CTR FORM 112.... CTR = CURRENCY TRANSACTION REPORT... NOW THIS DOES NOT MAKE THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSION FROM THE CHAT ROOM ANY LESS ACCURATE IN MY OPINION AS THE FINCEN FORM 112 IS SIMPLY THE ELECTRONIC VERSION OF THE FINCEN FORM 104....
AND JUST TO BE ACCURATE... THERE WAS ALSO AN ELECTRONIC FORM OF THE FINCEN FORM 104 THAT LOOKED JUST THE SAME AS THE PRINTED FORM... THIS COEXISTED WITH THE PRINTED VERSION AND THE NEW VERSION OF THE FORM... BOTH THE PAPER AND ELECTRONIC VERSIONS WERE KNOWN AS LEGACY VERSIONS...
THE FINCEN CTR FORM 112 IS ACTUALLY DESCRIBED AS AN ELECTRONIC DATA COLLECTION DEVICE... IT IS BASICALLY THE ELECTRONIC VERSION OF THE ORIGINAL FORM 104... HOWEVER IT DOES NOT LOOK THE SAME AND HAS SOME ADDITIONAL COMPLIANCE ISSUES REGARDING THE BANKS...
BANKS HAD TO START USING THIS FORM ON APRIL 1, 2013... UP UNTIL THAT TIME EITHER OF THE THREE FORMS COULD BE USED... BUT AFTER MARCH 30, 2013 THE LEGACY FORM 104 IN EITHER PAPER OR ELECTRONIC FORM WAS NO LONGER ACCEPTED...
HERE IS A SHORT VIDEO FROM 2012 EXPLAINING THE CHANGEOVER FROM THE FORM 104 TO THE FORM 112...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M67bZMtSCXY (Preview)
[princessA] We need to pass on this tax info jester
[Jester] texas77 THE CPA/TAX ATTORNEY WILL KNOW... MINE DOES... I HAVE A PLAN ALL SET UP...
[rockymtn] Jester We have a financial advisor in this, a trust attorney (in this), and an accountant - and they still believe it's a grey area - although it will probably be capital gains if the currency exchange profit is over $200.
[texas77] Jester clearly I need your tax attorney.
[texas1837] Jester tks for that. I have thought this all along, so maybe now my husband will be convinced.
[Jester] rockymtn I AGREE WITH THAT... AND IT WILL FOLLOW THE CAPITAL GAINS TOO FROM WHAT I AM TOLD... YOUR INVESTMENT OVER A YEAR OR NOT?
[rockymtn] Jester dinar - over a year; dong - this year.
[citizensoldier] texas77 Many Tax and Legal Professionals "drink" from the same trough... Once the Rate is live and the great exchange begins, many CPA's and Tax Attorney's will know more than they do now.
[Jester] THERE ARE LOTS OF QUESTIONS.... BUT I AM GOING WITH THE CPA/TAX GUY... MY GUY HAS E&O INSURANCE IF HE MESSES UP... LOL
[citizensoldier] Be certain that the Errors and Omissions Insurance policies which are in place are substantial enough to cover "your" buns.
[Jester] citizensoldier FOR SURE...
NOW... AFTER THE ROOM CLOSED I DID A BIT OF RESEARCHING... I REMEMBERED THAT SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE THIS FORM WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE GONE ELECTRONIC... HERE IS THE INFORMATION THAT I FOUND... I HOPE IT HELPS YOU...
IT TURNS OUT THAT THE FINCEN FORM 104 HAS BEEN REPLACED WITH THE FINCEN CTR FORM 112.... CTR = CURRENCY TRANSACTION REPORT... NOW THIS DOES NOT MAKE THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSION FROM THE CHAT ROOM ANY LESS ACCURATE IN MY OPINION AS THE FINCEN FORM 112 IS SIMPLY THE ELECTRONIC VERSION OF THE FINCEN FORM 104....
AND JUST TO BE ACCURATE... THERE WAS ALSO AN ELECTRONIC FORM OF THE FINCEN FORM 104 THAT LOOKED JUST THE SAME AS THE PRINTED FORM... THIS COEXISTED WITH THE PRINTED VERSION AND THE NEW VERSION OF THE FORM... BOTH THE PAPER AND ELECTRONIC VERSIONS WERE KNOWN AS LEGACY VERSIONS...
THE FINCEN CTR FORM 112 IS ACTUALLY DESCRIBED AS AN ELECTRONIC DATA COLLECTION DEVICE... IT IS BASICALLY THE ELECTRONIC VERSION OF THE ORIGINAL FORM 104... HOWEVER IT DOES NOT LOOK THE SAME AND HAS SOME ADDITIONAL COMPLIANCE ISSUES REGARDING THE BANKS...
BANKS HAD TO START USING THIS FORM ON APRIL 1, 2013... UP UNTIL THAT TIME EITHER OF THE THREE FORMS COULD BE USED... BUT AFTER MARCH 30, 2013 THE LEGACY FORM 104 IN EITHER PAPER OR ELECTRONIC FORM WAS NO LONGER ACCEPTED...
HERE IS A SHORT VIDEO FROM 2012 EXPLAINING THE CHANGEOVER FROM THE FORM 104 TO THE FORM 112...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M67bZMtSCXY (Preview)
HERE IS THE GOVERNMENT FINCEN
WEBSITE WHERE SOME OF THE OTHER LINKS REFERENCED BELOW COME FROM...
http://www.fincen.gov/forms/bsa_forms/
http://www.fincen.gov/forms/bsa_forms/
HERE IS A SLIDESHOW OVERVIEW OF THE
FINCEN CTR FORM 112... IT ALSO SHOWS THE EFFECTIVE DATE REQUIREMENT...
http://www.fincen.gov/whatsnew/pdf/CTR&DOEPRecordedVersion-PDFslides.pdf
HERE IS MORE INFORMATION THAN YOU COULD POSSIBLY EVER WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THIS FORM... BUT IT IS GOOD INFORMATION TO LOOK AT FROM THE STANDPOINT THAT YOU WILL SEE WHAT INFORMATION THEY ARE LIKELY TO WANT FROM YOU AND WHAT THEY ARE USING IT FOR... GET A BOTTLE OF 5 HOUR ENERGY FOR THIS ONE... IT IS A GOVERNMENT FORM... LOL...
http://www.fincen.gov/forms/files/FinCEN%20CTR%20ElectronicFilingInstructions%20-%20Stand%20Alone%20doc.pdf#page=2
SO ANYWAY... I HOPE THIS INFORMATION HELPS YOU.... I WILL STILL ADVISE YOU TO SEEK PROFESSIONAL ADVICE REGARDING TAX MATTERS... AGAIN... DO YOU REALLY THINK TAKING TAX ADVICE FROM A CHAT ROOM IS A GOOD IDEA?... THIS INFORMATION INTENDED TO HELP YOU BE A LITTLE MORE EDUCATED ON THE MATTER SO YOU KNOW WHAT QUESTIONS TO ASK WHEN YOU ARE VETTING OUT YOUR POTENTIAL PROFESSIONAL REPRESENTATIVES...
http://www.fincen.gov/whatsnew/pdf/CTR&DOEPRecordedVersion-PDFslides.pdf
HERE IS MORE INFORMATION THAN YOU COULD POSSIBLY EVER WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THIS FORM... BUT IT IS GOOD INFORMATION TO LOOK AT FROM THE STANDPOINT THAT YOU WILL SEE WHAT INFORMATION THEY ARE LIKELY TO WANT FROM YOU AND WHAT THEY ARE USING IT FOR... GET A BOTTLE OF 5 HOUR ENERGY FOR THIS ONE... IT IS A GOVERNMENT FORM... LOL...
http://www.fincen.gov/forms/files/FinCEN%20CTR%20ElectronicFilingInstructions%20-%20Stand%20Alone%20doc.pdf#page=2
SO ANYWAY... I HOPE THIS INFORMATION HELPS YOU.... I WILL STILL ADVISE YOU TO SEEK PROFESSIONAL ADVICE REGARDING TAX MATTERS... AGAIN... DO YOU REALLY THINK TAKING TAX ADVICE FROM A CHAT ROOM IS A GOOD IDEA?... THIS INFORMATION INTENDED TO HELP YOU BE A LITTLE MORE EDUCATED ON THE MATTER SO YOU KNOW WHAT QUESTIONS TO ASK WHEN YOU ARE VETTING OUT YOUR POTENTIAL PROFESSIONAL REPRESENTATIVES...
Intel Guru TerryK & Intel Guru TNT Tony
9-29-2013 Intel Guru
TerryK
THE
RV WHAT IM BEING TOLD IS SET FOR THIS WEEKEND STILL…RATES STILL HIGH WHAT IM
HEARING.
9-29-2013 Intel Guru TNT Tony I am still looking for this before the first of Oct. All the news that I have received today still says that people have been paid at the rate of $25.87 (in Iraq and in D.C.). Your turn is coming
9-29-2013 Intel Guru TNT Tony I am still looking for this before the first of Oct. All the news that I have received today still says that people have been paid at the rate of $25.87 (in Iraq and in D.C.). Your turn is coming
THIS IS A TRUE STORY.... AND A DIRTY ONE!
THIS IS A TRUE STORY.... AND A DIRTY ONE!
RECEIVED THIS EMAIL.... THIS IS A TRUE STORY... and a dirty one! Be sure to read at least to the Bold highlighted area - and then pass it on. Cynthia Lee Myers is the cousin of one of the SEALS assigned to guard Ambassador Stevens.
You need to read this true account of what happened to our Ambassador Stevens and the other 3 who died. If this doesn't make you mad ............... Cynthia Lee Myers Wanted to share the truth of what happened over in Libya, you will not find this in the media yet but it airs tonight on FNC..... please read....
"Here is my story. A week out the Embassy in Tripoli began receiving multiple tips about an Al Queda cell in the area planning an attack on 9/11 in response to the killing of Bin Laden. For the next several days, the state dept and WH were asked for a security force and were denied at least six times. Ambassador Stevens and his team were given the all clear that the Consulate in Benghazi was safe and there was no need for a security force other than his 3 personal guards (One being my cousin) and a few Libyans who were not armed.
Then the attack and murders occurred. Immediately the WH claimed it was a protest gone bad over a you tube video. Obama made a quick speech in the Rose Garden on Sept.12 before catching a plane to Vegas to campaign. He made a generic statement at the end of his speech after placing the blame on an overheated protest over the video. He said "No act of terror will shake the resolve of America. Later that day and over the next 2 days, the liberal media began saying Ambassador Stevens and the other 3 men died of smoke inhalation. This was not the case.
Out of respect for my cousin, I'm not going to be specific about his murder. However Ambassador Stevens was brutally murdered. His genitals were cut off, he was sodomized and beaten and cut and stabbed and burned. He was drug thru the streets and left for dead. This is eyewitness testimony of a local Dr. who found the Ambassador in a ditch and tried to save his life. He had no idea who he was. The other 3 men, including my cousin, met similar fates. And deaths due to smoke inhalation is a 100% fabricated LIE. The next week I drove my aunt and Uncle and 2 others to D.C. to receive his body. We met with Hillary, Panetta, and Susan Rice. ALL of whom apologized and said it
was a protest gone bad over a video, and exited the area. Next Obama entered with the same story and didn't apologize and wasn't sympathetic. My aunt cried to this man and all he did was hand her flowers and walk away. I tried to get his attention, but didn't. I got upset and yelled liar to him, he kept walking. Then a secret service agent grabbed my arm and led me to a room where I was held till the proceedings were over.
America, I saw firsthand how cold this man is. What kind of liar he is. Most of you haven't a clue about this tyrant and yet you support him. And act like every word he says is 'Gospel'. These murders and the fast and furious cover ups make Watergate look like, a kid who told his bff's secret to the class.
THIS PART YOU DON'T KNOW, BUT SHOULD.
AMERICAN VALOR, BENGHAZI, LIBYA:
The stunning part of this story is that Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty killed 60 of the attacking force. Once the compound was overrun, the attackers were incensed to discover that just two men had inflicted so much death and destruction.
The news has been full of the attacks on our embassies
throughout the Muslim world, and in particular, the deaths of Ambassador Chris Stevens and three others in Benghazi, Libya. However, there's a little known story of incredible bravery, heroics, and courage that should be the top story.
So what actually happened at the U.S. embassy in Libya? We are learning more about this every day. Ambassador Stevens and Foreign Service officer Sean Smith, along with administrative staff, were working out of temporary quarters due to the fact that in the spring of 2011 during the so-called Arab Spring, the United States cut ties with then president Moammar Gadhafi. Our embassy was looted and ransacked, causing it to be unusable. It is still in a state of disrepair. Security for embassies and their personnel is to be provided by the host nation. Since Libya has gone through a civil war of sorts in the past 18 months, the current government is very unstable, and therefore, unreliable.
A well-organized attack by radical Muslims was planned specifically targeting the temporary U.S. embassy building. The Libyan security force that was in place to protect our people deserted their post, or joined the attacking force. Either way, our people were in a real fix.
And it should be noted that Ambassador Stevens had mentioned on more than one occasion to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, that he was quite concerned for his personal safety and the welfare of his people.
It is thought that Ambassador Stevens was on a "hit list". A short distance from the American compound, two Americans were sleeping. They were in Libya as independent contractors working an assignment totally unrelated to our embassy. They also happened to be former Navy Seals.
When they heard the noise coming from the attack on our embassy, as you would expect from highly trained warriors, they ran to the fight. Apparently, they had no weapons, but seeing the Libyan guards dropping their guns in their haste in fleeing the scene, Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty snatched up several of these discarded weapons and prepared to defend the American compound.
Not knowing exactly what was taking place, the two Seals set up a defensive perimeter. Unfortunately Ambassador Stevens was already gravely injured, and Foreign Service officer, Sean Smith, was dead. However, due to their quick action and suppressive fire, twenty administrative personnel in the embassy were able to escape to safety. (But all have been silenced and kept away from congress and all investigations on Benghazi!!) Eventually, these two courageous men were overwhelmed by the sheer numbers brought against them, an enemy force numbering between 100 to 200 attackers which came in two waves. But the stunning part of the story is that Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty killed 60 of the attacking force. Once the compound was overrun, the attackers were incensed to discover that just two men had inflicted so much death and destruction.
As it became apparent to these selfless heroes, they were definitely going to lose their lives unless some reinforcements showed up in a hurry. As we know now, that was not to be. I'm fairly certain they knew they were going to die in this gunfight, but not before they took a whole lot of bad guys with them!
Consider these tenets of the Navy SEAL Code:
1) Loyalty to Country, Team and Teammate,
2) Serve with Honor and Integrity On and Off the Battlefield,
3) Ready to Lead, Ready to Follow, Never Quit,
4) Take responsibility for your actions and the actions of your teammates,
5) Excel as Warriors through Discipline and Innovation,
6) Train for War, Fight to Win, Defeat our Nation's Enemies, and...
7) Earn your Trident every day
(http://www.navyseals.com/seal-code-warrior-creed).
Thank you, Tyrone and Glen. To the very last breath, you both lived up to the SEAL Code. You served all of us well. You were courageous in the face of certain death.
And Tyrone, even though you never got to hold your newborn son, he will grow up knowing the character and quality of his father, a man among men who sacrificed himself defending others.
Dr. Charles R. Roots
Senior Pastor
Former Staff Sergeant,
USMC Captain,
U. S. Navy Chaplain Corps (Ret.)
This should be passed on and on and on.
NO TRUE AMERICAN WOULD OBJECT TO RECEIVING THIS MORE THAN ONCE ... SO PASS IT ON And Let us never forget Hillary Clinton's Comment "What Difference Does It Make?"
And "she" wants to be our next president?!??
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INDIA COMMITS GENOCIDE OF SIKHS IN 1984: US MUST SUPPORT SIKHS REQUEST TO CALL IT THE GENOCIDE IT WAS!
INDIA COMMITS GENOCIDE OF SIKHS IN 1984: US MUST SUPPORT
SIKHS REQUEST TO CALL IT THE GENOCIDE IT WAS!
India Commits Genocide of
Sikhs in 1984! US must support Sikhs request to call it the Genocide it was! Vatic Note: You almost have to be a soul-less animal to do what these people did in this article below. Apparently a system of dehumanization had gone on prior to all of this below. I do Not know about that yet, but it did result in the Indian population seeing and treating the Sikhs as sub human. There is also little explanation about the shooting of Ghandhi by the two Sikh guards, so I will follow up on that, but even so, genocide was encouraged as you will see by this time line below and events that followed.
There is no doubt this qualified as Genocide of a people based on a specific religious belief and all they are asking is that the UN afford them that call at this late date which should have been done when it all happened. The guards should have been prosecuted for murder, but killing innocent civilians who had nothing to do with it was supremely out of line and criminal.. and from the scant evidence I can find, it was also racist. I am surprised at how much information I am unable to find about all this which usually isn't the case elsewhere. This is beginning to look like here, where we knew practically nothing of our own history that was real.
This link below this information can lead you to action that could help the Sikhs with the UN in this case, doing the right thing. If we ignore this, then they can ignore it when it becomes our turn and given the Homeland Securities obvious run up to something major against Christians.... I suggest we keep that in mind and make our voices heard early on the subject by helping the Sikh's obtain justice for their innocent civilians. When we refuse to act on what is right, that usually comes back to bite us. I hate injustices, its a sign of a deteriorating & barbaric civilization.
I have the feeling from all that I have read that there is more to what was happening to the Sikhs even before this genocide occurred and some of it may have been political that caused the Sikh guards to do what they did. Lots of unanswered questions, but I intend to put up the information as it comes in. So, like a good soap opera stay tuned for the next episode.
READ THE FULL ARTICLE AT THIS LINK:
http://vaticproject.blogspot.com/2013/09/india-commits-genocide-of-sikhs-in-1984.html
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