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Knights of the Golden Circle

Knights of the Golden Circle

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The Knights of the Golden Circle (KGC) was a secret society. The original objective of the KGC was to annex a golden circle of territories in Mexico (which would be divided into 25 slave states), Central America, northern South America, and Cuba and the rest of the Caribbean for inclusion in the United States as slave states. As anti-slavery agitation increased after the Dred Scott Decision was issued, the members proposed a separate confederation of slave states, with US states south of the Mason-Dixon line to secede and to align with other slave states to be formed from the golden circle. In either case, the goal was to increase the power of the Southern slave-holding upper class to such a degree that it could never be dislodged. [1]
During the American Civil War, some Southern sympathizers in the Northern states such as Ohio, Illinois, Indiana, and Iowa, were accused of belonging to the Knights of the Golden Circle, and in some cases were imprisoned for their activities.

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Early history[edit]

George W. L. Bickley, a Virginia-born doctor, editor, and "adventurer" who lived in Cincinnati, founded the association. Records of the K.G.C. convention held in 1860 state that the organization “originated at Lexington, Kentucky, on the fourth day of July 1854, by five gentlemen who came together on a call made by Gen. George Bickley….”[2] He organized the first castle, or local branch, in Cincinnati in 1854. Hounded by creditors, he left Cincinnati in the late 1850s and traveled through the East and South, promoting an expedition to Mexico. Following the Mexican-American War of 1846, the group's original goal was to provide a force to colonize the northern part of Mexico and the West Indies. This would extend pro-slavery interests.

Civil War and demise[edit]

In the Southwest[edit]

The South’s secession and the outbreak of the Civil War prompted a shift in the group's plans for Mexico to support of the new Confederate government. On February 15, 1861, Ben McCulloch, Texas Ranger, began marching toward the Federal arsenal at San Antonio, Texas, with a cavalry force of about 550 men, about 150 of whom were Knights of the Golden Circle (KGC) from six castles[3][citation needed]. As volunteers continued to join McCulloch the following day, the U.S. Army Gen. David E. Twiggs decided to surrender the arsenal peacefully to the secessionists.

KGC members also figured prominently among those who, in 1861, joined Lt. Col. John Robert Baylor in his temporarily successful takeover of southern New Mexico Territory[4][citation needed]. In May 1861, members of the KGC and Confederate Rangers attacked a building which housed a pro-Union newspaper, the Alamo Express, owned by J. P. Newcomb, and burned it down.[5] Other KGC members followed Brig. Gen. Henry Hopkins Sibley on the 1862 New Mexico Campaign, which sought to bring the New Mexico Territory into the Confederate fold. Both Baylor and Trevanion Teel, Sibley's captain of artillery, had been among the KGC members who rode with Ben McCulloch.

In the North[edit]

In early 1862, Radical Republicans in the Senate, aided by Secretary of State William H. Seward, suggested that former president Franklin Pierce, who was greatly critical of the Lincoln administration's war policies, was an active member of the Knights of the Golden Circle. In an angry letter to Seward, Pierce denied that he knew anything about the KGC, and demanded that his letter be made public. California Senator Milton Latham subsequently did so when he entered the entire Pierce-Seward correspondence into the Congressional Globe.

Appealing to the Confederacy's friends in the North and border states, the Order spread to Kentucky as well as the southern parts of such Union states as Indiana, Ohio, Illinois, and Missouri. It became strongest among Copperheads, some of whom felt that the Civil War was a mistake. Some supported slavery and others were worried about the power of the federal government. In the summer of 1863, Congress authorized a military draft, which the administration soon put into operation. Loyalist Leaders of the Democratic Party opposed to Abraham Lincoln's administration denounced the draft and other wartime measures, such as the arrest of seditious persons and the president's temporary suspension of the writ of habeas corpus.

During the 1863 Gettysburg Campaign, scam artists in south-central Pennsylvania sold Pennsylvania Dutch farmers $1 paper tickets purported to be from the Knights of the Golden Circle. Along with a series of secret hand gestures, these tickets were supposed to protect the horses and other possessions of ticket holders from seizure by invading Confederate soldiers.[6] When Jubal Early's infantry division passed through York County, Pennsylvania, they took what they needed anyway. They often paid with Confederate currency or drafts on the Confederate government. The Cavalry commander J.E.B. Stuart also reported the alleged KGC tickets when documenting the campaign.[7]

That same year, Asbury Harpending and California members of the Knights of the Golden Circle in San Francisco outfitted the schooner J. M. Chapman as a Confederate privateer in San Francisco Bay, with the object of raiding commerce on the Pacific Coast and capturing gold shipments to the East Coast. Their attempt was detected and they were seized on the night of their intended departure.[8][9][10]

In late 1863, the KGC reorganized as the Order of American Knights. In 1864, it became the Order of the Sons of Liberty, with the Ohio politician Clement L. Vallandigham, most prominent of the Copperheads, as its supreme commander. In most areas only a minority of its membership was radical enough to discourage enlistments, resist the draft, and shield deserters. The KGC held numerous peace meetings. A few agitators, some of them encouraged by Southern money, talked of a revolt in the Old Northwest, which could have ended the war.[11]

Conspiracy theory[edit]

According to a few historians, after the Civil War, the KGC went underground and became a secret society. The KGC's new mission was to support a second, former confederate, uprising against the U.S. Federal Government. Furthermore, it has been alleged the James-Younger Gang was the principal source of funds for a second U.S. Civil War that never occurred.[12]

Alleged members[edit]

·       Confederados (some)

·       Buckner Stith Morris[13]

·       Lambdin P. Milligan

·       John Wilkes Booth[14]

·       Jesse James[15]

·       Sam Houston[16]

Represented in other media[edit]

The Night of The Iron Tyrants (1990–1991), written by the novelist Mark Ellis, and drawn by Darryl Banks, was a four-part comic book miniseries based on The Wild Wild West TV series. It featured the Knights of the Golden Circle in an assassination plot against President Ulysses Grant and the president of Brazil during the Philadelphia Centennial Exposition of 1876.
The Knights of the Golden Circle were featured as the villains of the graphic novel Batman: Detective No. 27 (2003) by Michael Uslan and Peter Snejbjerg.
The Knights of the Golden Circle are featured as the villains in the CD-ROM game PONY EXPRESS RIDER, published by AMERIKIDS USA and McGraw-Hill's new division, McGraw-Hill Home Interactive.
The Knights of the Golden Circle were portrayed as the conspirators in the Lincoln assassination in the Disney movie National Treasure 2: Book of Secrets (2007).
In the William Martin (novelist) 2012 novel, "The Lincoln Letter", The Knights of the Golden Circle are featured as group of conspirators in Washington, DC during the Civil War.
In the 2011 novel, "Queen of the Northern Mines," [17] the Knights of the Golden Circle are portrayed as conspirators plotting to seize a gold shipment from Nevada County, California, on its way to San Francisco.
The Knights of the Golden circle were a key part of Brad Meltzer's novel, The Fifth Assassin.

See also[edit]

References[edit]

1.  Jump up ^ Woodward, Colin American Nations: A History of the Eleven Rival Regional Cultures of North America New York:2011 Penguin Page 207
2.  Jump up ^ Campbell, Randolph B. "KNIGHTS OF THE GOLDEN CIRCLE". Handbook of Texas Online. Retrieved December 13, 2011. 
3.  Jump up ^ Keehn, David C. Knights of the Golden Circle: Secret Empire, Southern Secession, Civil War. Baton Rouge: Louisiana State University Press, 2013.
4.  Jump up ^ Thompson, Jerry D. Colonel John Robert Baylor: Texas Indian Fighter and Confederate Soldier. Hillsboro, Tex: Hill Junior College Press, 1971.
5.  Jump up ^ "James Pearson Newcomb", Handbook of Texas Online
6.  Jump up ^ Cassandra Morris Small letters, York County (PA) Heritage Trust files
9.  Jump up ^ "The Pacific Squadron of 1861–1866", in Aurora Hunt, The Army of the Pacific; Its Operations in California, Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, Utah, Nevada, Oregon, Washington, Plains Region, Mexico, etc. 1860–1866
10.Jump up ^ John Boessenecker, Badge and Buckshot: Lawlessness in Old California, University of Oklahoma Press, 1997. pp. 135–136
11.Jump up ^ William B. Hesseline, Lincoln and the War Governors, Alfred A. Knopf, 1948. pg. 312
12.Jump up ^ "Knights of the Golden Circle". Retrieved 1 August 2013. 
Ayer, I. Windslow, The Great North-Western Conspiracy in All Its Startling Details. Chicago: Rounds and James, 1865. p.47 retrieved October 30, 2010
·  Jump up ^ Bob Brewer Shadow of the Sentinel, p. 67, Simon & Schuster, 2003 ISBN 978-0-7432-1968-6
·  Jump up ^ Michael Benson Inside Secret Societies, p. 86, Kensington Publishing Corp., 2005 ISBN 978-0-8065-2664-5
·  Jump up ^ Hurley, Richard (2011). author. Grass Valley, CA: Bear River Books. p. 330. ISBN 9780983179801. 

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DEC. 6 2013 CONF. CALL NOTES 1PM EST -- PART 1

  DEC. 6 2013 CONF. CALL NOTES 1PM EST -- PART 1

GOOD MORNING TNT….FRIDAY DEC. 6

I SAID THAT WITH ENTHUSIASM AND I MEANT IT…TODAY COULD BE A GOOD DAY

THIS IS GOING TO BE A DIFF. CALL….ITS A MATTER OF FACT CALL

WHAT I KNOW AND HAVEN'T TOLD YOU GUYS

AND LOOKING FORWARD TO IT
BUT BEFORE I DO I WANT TO SAY THAT I KNOW WE ARE ALL AWARE  OF THE PASSING OF NELSON MANDELA…AND IT WAS A GREAT LIFE…WHAT HE WENT THROUGH

WHAT I SAY TO MY FRIEND YOU GOT TO GO THRU IT TO GET TO IT

NOBODY HAS DONE IT LIKE HE DID THAT I KNOW OF

TO ACTUALLY GO THUR IT AND COME OUT THE OTHER SIDE AND LIVE THE GREATNESS HE LIVED

HE DIDN'T GO THRU IT OUT OF SELFISHNESS OR 15 MIN. OF FAME

NOT EVEN A NATION BUT A GLOBAL NATION

HE AFFECTED THE ENTIRE WORLD…EVERY COUNTRY BENEFITED FROM WHAT HE WENT THRU

THE PAIN AND THE GAIN

I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO HIM FOR DOING IT

HE CHANGED OUR LIVES…HE CHANGED MY LIFE

AND GOING THRU IT, HOW HUMBLE HE WAS AND THE LEVEL IT --- HUMBLED

WHEN YOU DON'T SEEK VENGEANCE OR REVENGE

THAT WAS IMPORTANT

2 THINGS HAVE AFFECTED ME AND HOW I AM AND HE IS PART OF IT

HE IS HISTORY

AND LOSING MY DAUGHTER WHEN SHE WAS 11 YEARS OLD AND YOU REALIZE WHATS IMPORTANT IN LIFE AND THE OTHER STUFF IS JUST NOISE

I WANT TO PAY MY RESPECTS TO HIM AND WE ALL HAVE AN OPP. TO BE LIKE HIM

NOT AT THE SAME LEVEL

BUT LOSING YOUR CARS, HOME, CAN'T PAY BILLS..A BUNCH SITTING IN THE COLD TODAY

PPL THAT CAN'T BE ON THE CALL AND CAN'T GET ON THE INTERNET…EVERYONE GOING THRU SOMETHING TO GET HERE

AND I'M TELLING YOU  CAUSE WE ARE HERE BUT THIS IS THE TIME TO REMEMBER

NOT THE MONEY TO SPEND

WHICH I'LL TELL YOU FROM

BUT ONE PERSON I GET INTEL FROM HE SAID HE WAS IN THE CELL PLACE TO PAY HIS BILL

HIM AND 3 OTHERS AND THE ONE THAT WAS PAYING THE BILL TURNED AND SAID -----

I'LL PAY HIS BILL AND THIS BILL….AND THEN TOLD THE CLERK TO GIVE THEM THE CHANGE AND THEN GAVE EACH ONE A $100 BILL///MERRY CHRISTMAS

AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO DO THAT AND HOPE WE ARE THANKFUL AND GRATEFUL FOR WHAT WE ARE ABOUT TO RECEIVE AND SHARE IT WITH THE RIGHT PPL

THOSE THAT DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THIS OPPORTUNITY AND GO FORWARD AND MULTIPLY THIS 1000 TIMES

$100 MAKES A DIFF. IN ALOT OF LIVES…PAYING GROCERIES…$100 TO BUY TOYS FOR THEIR CHILD

AND YOU CAN MAKE A DIFF. WITH THE MONEY YOU WILL HAVE

THE NEWS OF THE DAY…I GOT DC HERE …NOT GOING TO QUITE THROW HIM UNDER THE BUS OR THE MOVING TRAIN NOW BUT WANT YOU TO KNOW, LOL

 AS OF TUES. NITE WHEN I SAID THAT  AND SANTA GOT CONFUSED AND HE THOUGHT IT WAS CHRISTMAS EVE…DELIVERING GIFTS

THEN WED. SLOWER THAN NORMAL

ALL THATS GOING ON…PPL GET PAID OUT HERE IN THE US

NOW THIS IS KIND OF...

LIKE I TOLD YOU…GOT TO GO THRU IT TO GET TO IT

WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHERE OUR PLACE IS

LIKE IT OR NOT THE WORLD WE LIVE IN….AND CAN WE CHANGE IT

THERE ARE PRIV. PPL AND THEY BEEN GETTING PAID. GOV. PPL….AGENCY PPL GETTING PAID

THEIR FRIENDS…THEIR FAMILY….THEIR CO WORKERS GETTING PAID IN THE LAST 3 DAYS

DON'T THINK I AM GOING TO NAME THE OFFICES BUT 5000, 10,000 PPL IN THE LAST XX DAYS

FROM 1.98 TO 6.00,  8.00 12.00,  AND 23.00, AND 32.00,  BEEN PAID ALL DIFF. RATES BASED ON SKRS THAT THEY SIGNED IN APRIL,,,,WHATEVER RATE THEY SIGNED IS THE RATE THEY GOT

AND IF THEY DIDN'T SIGN AN SKR THEY GOT THE CURRENT RATE

INITIALLY YOU WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO KNOW….NOW YOU KNOW

PPL LISTEN TO OUR CALLS AND GOING TO DO WHAT YOU DO….TALK TO THE 3 LETTERS

WHAT I WANT THEM TO READ AND ITS A GOOD MESSAGE AND LET THEM KNOW I GOT WORD FROM BOTH SIDES TODAY….UST AND IMF…AND THEY ARE SAYING WHAT THEY SAID YESTERDAYAND WED.

WE ARE ALMOST DONE AND YOU ARE NEXT

BUT I KNEED EACH OF THEM TO KNOW THAT THE OTHER ONE IS SAYING THE OTHER ONE IS HOLDING IT UPS AND ONE SAYS WAITING FOR THE GO AND THE OTHER SAYS WAITING FOR THEM TO FINISH

IF YOU ALREADY DID, 5K OR 10K PPL….THE MOST IMPORTANT HAVE BEEN DONE

WE ONLY HAVE 300 IN CONGRESS

THE FIRST THOUSAND, WHO IS THE 10K? ITS STILL PART OF THE VIP GROUP

WE UNDERSTAND OUR PLACE/POSITION BUT TO CONTINUE ON….ITS HARDER…MORE ANTSY AND WANT THEM COOL CALM COLLECTED

THEY KNOW THE RATE IS THERE AND THE RATE IS LIVE

AND MY 30 DAYS IS RUNNING OUT

YOU ARE INCREASING THE ANXIETY EVEN THOUGH YOU ARE

I WANT YOU TO HEAR IT FROM ME NOT THE PPL I TALK TO

SO EVERYONE KNOWS ITS BEEN SAID AND THEY HEARD IT

SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO CALL THEM….THEY DIDN'T LIKE THAT!!! THEY DIDN'T LIKE THE CALL CAMPAIGN!!AND DIDN'T GIVE THEM CONFIDENCE TO DO IT SOONER

THE PERSON THAT STARTED IT…SHE SENT ME A PRIVATE MESSAGE AND WAS SORRY

WE ARE DOING WHAT WE ARE DOING TO GET THE MESSAGE ACROSS BUT EVERY HOUR MAKES IT HARDER TO DO THAT….BE CALM AND PROFESSIONAL

OUR RATES WILL STILL BE HIGH….OUR 5-7 DAYS DOESN'T START TILL IT GOES LIVE FOR US

I DO BELIEVE ITS EATING INTO THE 30 DAYS….BUT THEY NEVER EXPECTED US TO TAKE 30 DAYS

SO THE 30 DAYS IS NOT AN ISSUE

BUT THE 5-7 DAYS IS

TO MY AGENCY GUYS….THIS IS MY CONCERN….IF EVERYTHING HAPPENED ON WED. AND YOU ONLY PROCESSED 10K PP IN 3 DAYS….THAT DOESN'T GIVE MUCH CONFIDENCE TO PPL THAT YOU WILL DO 5 MILL IN 5-7 DAYS

BUT THE PRIV. PPL ARE PRIV. THEY AREN'T GETTING 2 MIN. PHONE CALLS

AND THEY AREN'T DOING 20 MIN. PH CALLS

AND IF IT TAKES 3 HOURS, SETTING UP ACCTS. AND ITS STRETCHING IT OUT

WE DON'T HAVE TO LIKE IT AND THATS WHATS TAKING SO LONG

I UNDERSTAND…..WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND NOT THE FIRST THOUSAND OR 2, BUT WHEN YOU GET TO 5K, 6K , 7K  AND WE KNOW THEY ONLY  HAD 5 M. DINAR AND 10 M. DINAR

AND CITIZENS THAT HAVE TEN TIMES AS MUCH AND THEY'RE NOT PRIV. AND THEY DON'T GO IN

AND THATS HARD…ITS AN ISSUE AND WE CAN EXPECT PPL TO GET UPSET

NOW TALKING TO TNT MEMBERS

 BUT GET UPSET AND ADDRESS THE 3 LETTERS TO SAY GO AND WE ARE CAUSING THE BOTTLENECK

BUT WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO ALIEVE THAT,,,ITS WHAT YOU ARE BRINGING ON BY DOING THIS

YOU MUST HAVE DONE THE MOST IMPORTANT PPL…THEY MUST BE DONE

BUT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THIS, NOT WAIT TILL THE VERY LAST PERSON TILL WE ACTIVATE THIS

AND TODAY WILL BE OUR DAY

DO I HAVE A TIME….YES, WILL I TELL YOU… NO

GOT 3 TIMES….AND IT DIDN'T HAPPEN YESTERDAY OR THE DAY BEFORE

THE SIMPLE ANSWER IS WE ARE NEXT

WHEN ? DON'T KNOW…BUT WE ARE CLOSE

DIDN'T THINK THIS MORN. OR LAST NIGHT THAT I WOULD DO THIS CALL….BUT HERE I AM

DIDN'T WANT TO,,,,,BUT HERE WE ARE

I WILL TAKE QUESTIONS,BUT BEFORE I DO,  DC DO YOU WANT TO SAY, OR SHOULD I ROLL THE BUS OVER YOU

DC- ITS GOING TO ROLL OVER ME AND BE A FUN DAY

I APPRECIATE THE MESSAGE ABOUT YOUR DAUGHTER AND NELSON…ITS CLEAR TO US WHERE WE ARE

A LOT OF VIPS HAVE GONE THRU THE SYSTEM AND I MEAN A LOT AND THAT STARTED DAYS AGO

BEING TOLD WE ARE NEXT

AND THEN MORE VIPS SHOW UP AND CAUSE THE ISSUES….THATS ALL I GOT

 T- OK

 QUESTIONS - PAM DIDN'T SEND ME ANY

BUT SOREADYFORIT DID

 banks were expected to see ppl yesterday and the security was brought it

T- PPL KEEP TELLING ME THAT HE'S WITH BANK SECURITY - LAW ENFORCEMENT - AND THAT THEY ARE NOT USING US MARSHALL'S AND NOT LOCAL POLICE ETC.. WHAT CAN YOU TELL US

DC- I CAN TELL YOU THE PLAN, WHAT THEY'VE DONE IS, IN THE HIGH VOLUME AREAS, THE CALL CENTERS AND THE EXCHANGE CENTERS INDEED DO HAVE US MARSHALL'S AND AGENCIES, AND THEN GOES DOWN IN THE AMT. OF SECURITY NEEDED,  IE. BOFA, IE. MIGHT HAVE AN EXTRA GO TO SECURITY FOLKS AND CALL ONE IN, ITS A TIER DEAL, THEY DIDN'T CALL THE LOCAL POLICE AND SAY WE NEED EVERY COP YOU HAVE… ITS METHODICAL AND PLANNED OUT
T- AT SOME LOCATIONS ITS RETIRED MARSHALL'S, AND SOME ARE OFF DUTY POLICE AND THEY WERE CALLED IN AT 9 10 PM AND WERE IN PLACE WED. AND SKIPPED THURS. AND TOLD AGAIN THAT THIS TIME ITS GOING, RIGHT?

DC- YEP

( Tony went back to the questions again )

T- I KNOW THEY ARE LISTENING TO THE CALL, I WANT YOU TO LISTEN, THATS MY PLEA, WE HAVE TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN SOONER OR LATER
 

zero's dropped on Zim  - I HEARD 6 ZEROS

DC - don't have anything on it

verify currency, ahead of time T - DON'T KNOW IF THEY WOULD DO IT, JUST WAIT TILL YOUR APPT.

step pay out - elite, the world, the rest of us, …. IRAQ GOT PAID AND IT IS ON THEIR CARDS, CAN YOU CONFIRM THAT DC

DC- SURE, FOR THOSE THAT DON'T REMEMBER, THEY TESTED IN JULY/AUG, THEN NOV. AND PAYROLL IS SWITCHED OVER AND ITS STILL CONFUSING, THEY ARE PAID AT 3.44 BUT INT'L IT SHOWS DIFF. AND 3 DIFF. PLACES THAT DID PAYROLL AND DID IT IN RV'D DINAR AT 3.44

T- so IRAQ DID IT IN A 3 TIER,  GOV. THEN CONTRACTS AND THEN SOCIAL PROGRAMS AND THEN THE GEN. PUBLIC, AND ARE WE DOING THE SAME THING

YEAH…I'LL SAY THIS…THEY DIDN'T WANT YOU TO KNOW AND GET YOU UPSET BECAUSE THE ELITE ARE GETTING PAID FIRST AND I THOUGHT WHO CARES, THEY GET IN IN THE MORN. AND WE GET PAID IN THE AFTERNOON OR THEY GET PAID WEDAND WE GET PAID THURS

BUT WE SHOULD SAY GOOD, SOMEONE IS GETTING PAID…TAKING LONGER THAN IT SHOULD HAVE

BUT NOW WE ARE AT 2 AND A HALF DAYS AND NOW WE ARE NEXT

NO ONE ELSE TO DO BUT OUR PLEA THIS MORN. IS YOU DID THE TOP ELITE GUYS

CAN'T WE GET STARTED?

BUT NOTHING GOING TO CHANGE IT BY CALLING SENATORS OR GOVERNORS

IT WILL SCARE THEM INTO SAYING WAIT…WE NEED MORE SECURITY …THEY'RE OFF THEIR ROCKERS

DON'T MIND YOU KNOWING THE TRUTH

DEAL WITH IT…DON'T ACT LIKE IDIOTS…THATS THEIR CONCERN

? will we have our chance?   WE WILL, ITS ACTUALLY COMING, THATS THE GOOD PART, WE ARE HERE, IF THIS STRETCHED OUT FOR 3 DAYS FOR THE ELITE, MAYBE THEY'LL STRETCH OUT US FOR 10-12 DAYS, AND MAYBE HOPE THATS WHAT THEY GO WITH, AND CHANGE THE CONVERSATIONS

THESE ALL RELATE TO THE RELEASE DATE, THE 30 DAYS, AND THE JAN 1ST  3 ZERO FEAR

Are our selfish actions affecting and holding up GCR for the whole world?

NOT OURS, MAYBE THEIRS, LOL, THEY WANT TO GET THEM PAID, LET ME PUT THIS OUT THERE, MUST NOT BE TOO BAD YET, OH WAIT, ONE, HOLD ON, OK, ONE OF OUR TRANSCRIBERS, SAID CAN'T VERIFY CASH…..    THE REASON THEY ARE -- THIS IS WHAT THEY SAID - IF THEY DID EVERYONE AT ONE TIME, POLITICIANS, THEIR ADVISORS, SEC'Y'S ETC.. AND STOPPED EVERYONE YOU WOULD BE MAD AT THAT OR THEIR FAMILY STANDING IN LINE WITH CIVILIANS, FOR SECURITY, YOU'D BE MAD, BUT TO MIX THEM IN W/ THE CROWD WOULD BE

BUT WHY DOING THE COUSINS, ETC.. WHY -- BUT WE WOULDN'T MIX THEM UP WITH REGULAR PPL, BUT GETTING MY AUNT/UNCLE, OR THE SKR'S FROM APRIL AT THEIR LOWER RATES, AND DID ONE - REGRET IT NOW, AND THATS WHAT THEY SIGNED FOR, AND NOW THIS RATE IS SO MUCH HIGHER, AND THEY ARE SIGNING NDAS, AND NO DOUBLE DIPPING, NDA'S RIGHT?

DC - EVERYONE I KNOW HAS

T- SO THAT IS GOING ON

T- LETTING IMF AND UST HEAR, WHERE WE ARE AS A GROUP, DON'T FORGET THAT, WE WANT TO BE CALM COLLECTED AND ITS OK, LET US HAVE OUR TURN.

Why won’t UST start with the 800 #'s if they are concerned about runs at the banks? And then anyone who walks in is asked to call an 800 #

WE ANSWERED THAT.

I think it's time Tony addresses what we do in the event that it doesn't RV before Jan 1. It's no longer a moot point. We need some confidence.

IT IS, NOT GOING TILL JAN. 1,  THEY WANT TO DO IT NOW, AND HOPED IT WOULD HAPPEN BEFORE THIS CALL, BUT HERE WE ARE, AND STILL SAYING THIS AFTERNOON, BEFORE TOMORROW, EVERYONE WANTS IT DONE BEFORE THEY GO HOME FOR THE CHRISTMAS HOLIDAY, BUT WHY WE SHOULD LOOK THAT FAR, IF THEY ARE FINISHING UP TODAY.

If Dec 1 is official RV, are we in day4 of 30-day? Will 3 zero dinar be worthless in U.S. after Jan 1?

I GUESS THATS WHAT SOMEONE SAID AT THE BANK, BUT I THINK WE'LL GET THE OFFICIAL END OF THE 30 DAYS ONCE WE BEGIN

What happens to our dinar as of 1/1? Will the 000 notes become invalid?

Should the dates get really close for the expiration of the notes, can we put the notes we have into a multi-currency account and would they then be valid for any amount of time?

HOW ?

IF THEY ARE NOT ACCEPTABLE TILL THEY GO LIVE, HOW WOULD THAT WORK?

Do the 30 days start when WE exchange, or are we on the clock now? There is concern out there that we will be cheated out of this exchange, and our notes will be worthless after January 1st, if they keep delaying our exchange.

SO AGAIN I THINK, THE 30 DAYS MAY HAVE STARTED, THEY DIDN'T FEEL WE NEEDED THAT, BUT THE 5-7 DAYS HAS NOT STARTED, IF THEY WANTED TO CHEAT US, THEY COULD RE DO 13303, THERE ARE LEGAL WAYS, ITS NOT THEIR GOAL, AND HERE IS THEIR CONCERN, AND THEY COULD HAVE FIXED IT, TOLD ME, DO I WANT TO SAY THIS, DONT KNOW IF ITS FAIR, THINKING ABOUT IT, ITS REALLY NOT FAIR TO SOME AND I LIKE TO BE FAIR, BUT THEIR CONCERN IS HOW YOU ON THE BOARDS, TALKING ABOUT CASHING OUT AND THE POLICY / PROCEDURES AND SOME STUFF WE ARE HEARING TODAY, ABOUT, I THINK ITS UNFAIR IF I SAY THAT - I'LL SKIP IT

Tony didn't want to answer my question on Monday because he felt it was a moot point, but every day we wait takes us one day closer to the dooms day of Jan.1. Is there a plan in case that happens?

SAME QUESTION

Will we still have 30 days from when the 800#s are published, or is it from when it was declared on Dec 1.  You said rates would probably be held 5 or so days, is this going to be from Dec 1 or when 800#s are published to us?

SAME

MISCELLANEOUS QUESTIONS

Was there anything specifically that happened to delay the 36 hour window from Wednesday?

PERSONALLY, I THINK HE MADE UP THAT 36 HOURS, BUT WE ARE LIVING IT, LOL

SEE HE'S SMARTER THAN I AM, HE GAVE LEEWAY, DEF. NOT WHAT WE WERE TOLD, BUT HERE WE ARE, MR DC,

DC: BOTTOM LINE, NOW THAT WE ARE BEING MORE TRUTHFUL, IT WAS TO BE 12 HOURS OR LESS, AND WAS TO SHOW ON THURS. MORN. AND WE WERE TOLD MANY TIMES ---TO BE FRANK, WE GAVE OURSELVES AN EXTRA CUSHION, HASN'T BEEN THE TIMELIEST BUNCH AND WE ARE AWARE, BUT DID A HELL OF A LOT OF PPL YESTERDAY, THOUSANDS, AND NO ONE ANTICIPATED THEM PAYING OUT THOUSANDS OF THOUSANDS, AND THATS HOW THE 36 HOURS WENT THRU,  WE COULD ARGUE THE FACT… IT DOES MATTER, BECAUSE THEY SLOWED IT DOWN, AND DEROGATORY TO POLITICIANS,, BUT  WE HAVE A LOT OF CATTLE AND … RANCHING AND FARMING, TRYING TO SHOVE HEAD OF CATTLE THRU THE GATES --- BUT POLITICIANS THAT BELIEVE THEY NEED SPECIAL TIME AND DRAGGED THE PROCESS OUT AND THE REST ARE CHOMPING AT THE BIT.

T- SO AGAIN GUYS, LAST NIGHT, WAS GIVING TIMES AND HOPED I WOULDN'T HAVE TO DO THE CALL, AND WE'RE DOING IT, AND SHORTLY AFTER THIS - WE'LL SEE, AND TOMORROW MORN. - NO BEATING AROUND THE BUSH, AND ITS OUT THERE AND EVERYONE KNOWS, BUT ASKING YOU, AND TOLD YOU WHAT THEY DIDN'T WANT US TO TELL YOU ON WED. AND NEVER THOUGHT IT WOULD GET TO FRIDAY, BUT DON'T REACT

YOU WON'T WIN, DON'T DO STUPID STUFF, IT WILL SLOW IT DOWN, AND HOPEFULLY IT WILL HAPPEN THIS AFTERNOON

If the IMF is the one to release this wouldn't the Executive Board of the IMF have the final say? CL reports to the Executive Board of the IMF...

Is my personal information sent previously to PTR at risk?

On the front page of the website, could you also add a line for 5th/3rd Bank, for the posting of the rates?

WELL OK, EXCUSE ME

Will only the big 4 banks and their affiliates have 800#s? I want to do business with the #5 bank in US and another well-known NC bank.

I DON'T KNOW, DON'T HAVE THE 800#S YET, AND IT INCLUDED 5/3, JUST HAVE TO WAIT

DC: NAILED IT

Is there something we can do to help the process? Or stop doing to help the process?

T- JUST LET IT GO,

DC: GREAT QUESTION

T- DO WHAT WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO DO, BE DIPLOMATIC, NOT CAUSE A PROBLEM, CAN'T CONTROL IT ANYWAY, AND KNOW OUR TIME IS NOW THOUGH, BUT ITS WHEN IT FINISHES UP, NOT LOOKING AT IRAQ, UST, WB, NONE OF IT MATTERS, AND PAYING OUT IN THE US, BECOME MULTI BILLIONAIRES IN THE LAST FEW HOURS BY THE IRAQI DINAR, THERE CAN ONLY BE SO MANY IN DC, AND THEY SHOULD RUN OUT OF THAT, BUT BETWEEN 5 AND TEN THOUSAND, WE SHOULD BE AT THE END AND IT SHOULD BE OUR TURN