Friday, February 25, 2011

Launching a Space Station to Other Worlds

Launching a Space Station to Other Worlds


Analysis by Ray Villard
Tue Feb 22, 2011 04:56 AM ET
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Nautilus extend

Imagine strapping a giant rocket engine on the International Space Station (ISS), inflating a few balloon-like structures to hold your luggage, and adding a spinning carousel-wheel for artificial gravity.

This ungainly-sounding assemblage, dubbed Nautilus-X, ("Non-Atmospheric Universal Transport Intended for Lengthy United States eXploration") has been proposed by the NASA Technology Applications Assessment Team at the Johnson Space Center in Houston, Texas. The group is chartered with examining key technologies that can advance space exploration in a timely and affordable manner.

WIDE ANGLE: Supplying the Space Station

DNEWS VIDEO: BUILDING A MOONBASE

The designers optimistically believe that such a planet-roaming "space station with rockets" could be ready by 2020 at a cost of under $4 billion. If this number is realistic, the vehicle would be cheaper than the projected costs for the "Apollo-on steroids" Orion capsule.

NASA has already spent approximately $5 billion on Orion since 2006, and will need roughly another $6.6 to 7.1 billion to meet a 2015 launch.

The real ISS could be used to test components of the Nautilus, and no doubt the experience with the ISS would provide applicable spin-off technology.

NEWS: Space Station Reality Check: Now What?

Like building a house with room for additions, the Nautilus has a modular design that can expand with mission requirements. The central core is a linear truss with a 40-foot diameter giant rotating inner tube structure that serves as the low-gravity habitat. A nuclear, chemical or solar-electric propulsion system could be bolted at one end of the truss.

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The trickiest piece of engineering is the inflatable spinning torus that would provide partial artificial gravity. The ring would need to spin at 10 RPM to provide a force one-half Earth gravity. The bearings, slip rings for power, liquid metal seals, and counter-rotating flywheel would be an engineering challenge. A scale working model of the centrifuge would be externally attached to the ISS for testing.

Various inflatable modules would be attached to the truss to provide maximum volume for supplies and storage. Like the ISS, the vehicle would have multiple docking ports for various spaceships. An onboard radiation "storm cellar" lined with liquid water or hydrogen slush would provide shielding from solar flares that would irradiate the vehicle.

But several additions don't make sense to me. First, there are hangars for landing vehicles for use on asteroids or the Martian surface. To significantly lower mass and therefore reduce transit time, why not simply send unmanned landers ahead and put them into a parking orbit to wait until the crew arrives.

Nautilus trans lunar

The Nautilus has a huge deep-space antenna where laser transmission may make more sense. It also has a shuttle-derived remote manipulator arm which also seems like excess weight.

Over the past several decades there have been a wide variety of designs for interplanetary manned vehicles. The simplest are inflatable so-called Transhab modules strapped onto a nuclear propulsion stage. The most imaginative was a parasol-looking nuclear electric-ion propelled Mars vehicle, designed by rocket engineer Ernst Stuhlinger in 1954, that had a huge saucer-shaped heat radiator.

The Nautilus would be fully assembled and tested on the ISS. Two or three heavy lift booster launches would be needed to deliver the pieces to the ISS for assembly and integration.

The vehicle could go to Mars with a six-person crew, or fly out to the Earth-Moon Langranian point L1 to serve as a base, or visit an asteroid.

L1 would be a great staging point for launching manned lunar landers. Just don’t tell Congress this is funding for yet another space station -- albeit one that can change zip code.

As Volkswagen use to say about their classic Beetle: "it’s ugly but it get you there."



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Jake Addams
If you want to get to mars, you need to send a series of supply vehicles in advance at a slower speed. Give each module a month lead time. Then send Americas best to mars, picking up the supply depots like bread crumbs on the trail to Mars.

They could be set up with timed hydroponic systems, so that when they astronots open the hatch, they have fresh fruit and veggies waiting for them, as well as O2, H20, and some beef jerky.

Once the crew is in flight, send a continuous rationing of supplies to keep them alive while on the surface. Imagine what we could learn in 30 days, compared to the cost of the space programs for the last 30 years.
Yesterday, 6:36:44 PM
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Jake Addams
For the return mission, you need to send some supply ships on a round trip mission around martian gravity and shoot back towards earth, creating the same bread crumb path back home.
Yesterday, 6:38:20 PM
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roger moore
Lets hijack an asteroid ! Self propelled ,doesn't matter where it is going ..Anywhere but here ! WE could send a probe to join with one we know will be back . Collect information (far reaching telescope) dust , radiation .... Retrieve data on the return. Very little investment , no astronauts , no propulsion system !
Yesterday, 5:47:05 PM
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roger moore
what is money to aliens ? we are not sending dollars out in space . we are circulating them through the system of earthlings, spending should create jobs. By the way anyone willing to leave earth should not worry about coming back! One way ticket . With 7 Billion people on this planet suicide jockeys should be welcomed. Sign me up Scottie !
Yesterday, 5:31:41 PM
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badda kastula
i Throw a Leaf, in south Africa Forest, How is it possible any person Find That ? is it possible ?
same process we want to Find Alien world's in our Galaxy ? it is impossible to Find out.
2 days ago, 10:53:10 PM
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Robot Survey
@Badda, It's not impossible to find that leaf... maybe difficult yes, but not impossible. Read my full reply to your 1st comment, "Throw a Nut in sahara Desert" on how you can find alien world's in our galaxy, at the following Discovery News post:

Alien View of Earth Shapes Search for New Worlds:
http://news.discovery.com/space/aliens-planets-earth-light-110223.html
Yesterday, 9:01:45 AM
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Phil StOnge
Just imagine, there is another 'Galileo - like alien being discovering what they are, and from a diffenert angle, another alien is peering at our planet (as a small blue speck) through a Hubble-Like kens wondering if life exists here, and if so, would we greet them with a warm reception.... keep dreaming people!!!
2 days ago, 1:04:51 PM
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Matthew Hunt
normally I cring at seeing God brought up on the internet, but I totally agree with you Phil, and unfortunatly think your completely correct on both a scientific and religous level. Mars is a great destination to think about, but we're way too primitive in tech to expect to be able to get there and back without a major accident at our current tech. We have trouble just getting off the ground and past low-earth orbit with crews...using our space station as a mobile "transport" between here and the Moon to support a colony or two is much better than trying to send the ISS to another planet. A Mars ship should probably be built on on the moon.

But it's quite an idea when it comes to "what can we do with the ISS"...
2 days ago, 8:34:05 AM
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Phil StOnge
Thanks for understanding my take on this - though I too agree at 'wow, look at the ISS and what it is doing' .... you know, if it weren't for the citizens of this world being killed by one another for the sake of freedoms or whatever causes to be held precious, the news stories of the ISS could make news headlines more often, esp great that would be if more of Earth's citizen's couls look at the ISS as a perfect example of, "Yes, we CAN all get along!" PS: God (religion at large) and science does and should mix ... the 'current generation' (no matter what and when described as such), needs to be taking unselfish steps toward making these unrealistic and goals - heck, I'm sure discoverers like Galileo felt like he wanted to make a dash to the moon --- God didn't stop him, mankind's limited technology did --- we need to learn that and practice patience --- this 'got to have it now' attitude has egot to cease and desist until we fix Earth --- geez, whats that I've heard before?: "God helps those who help themselves" - I'm sure will haste man' efforts to meet other worlds and inhabitants --- He doesn't want us to stagnate as a species , He glories in our acheivements because ours are His...... what we want when it come to technological development is spoken of having to be done and always described to be done in 'OUR lifetime' has to stop...lets gear up our children, and children's children, etc through education economics understanding where we came from and who we are seek spiritual guidance and a sense of global community ----- together the inhabitants of the Earth can do many things fro the benefit of all .... the current ISS is only a start ... a first step, ... I better quit here .... take care friends out there!
2 days ago, 1:01:29 PM
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Phil StOnge
I think Mars trips are irreelevant for the time being - meaning decades after we as an 'intelligent' species as humankind can get our act together to better take care of our own planet and its inhabitants before we go about wasting zillions of monies on any ET trips other than revisiting the moon - and all I mean by revisiting the moon is to build and establish a minimum of 2 permanent moon bases on the 2 opposite sides of the moon as viewable by the earth with humungous hubble-type telescopic observatories; plus nuclear warhead devices for the singular mission of providing an earth-defense mechanism to destroy any wayward asteroids, meteors, etc found to be headed earthbound. The observatories will allow us to see far beyond our wildest dreams and the positions best available to communicate with ET entities (which God has put out there for us to communicate with). Think this absurd? We already know Mars missions reveal the environment already to hostile even without the presence of alien life forms - plus the distance and time factors to/from are insane --- we need to be realistic with our outerspace travel desires - and keep them rational for the better sake of humankind here on earth. God gave us the brains to explore beyond ourselves, but most important He made Earth our home, and we as its caretakers have been so derelict in the duty for its care its disgusting - we need to fix so many problems here on Earth before we should be even thinking about contaminating the outer planets God has made.
2 days ago, 2:55:45 AM
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Kavya Vaddadi
Other worlds!
3 days ago, 10:52:50 PM
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Rick Hunter
NASA is not a military organization they don't have bombs and aren't allowed to have bombs.
3 days ago, 7:47:06 PM
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Jeph
Reality check, folks. NASA just had its budget slashed from 0.58% of the annual budget (they only get 18 billion dollars) down to 0.45% for 2012. This space station and anything innovative from NASA isn't going to happen. Thank congress for that. Ultimately, thank the American citizens. No interest=no money.
3 days ago, 4:14:41 PM
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mark wilk
Hey it's NASA's fault. If they had figured out a way to drop bombs from this thing then Congress wouldn't have reduced their funding.
3 days ago, 7:10:21 PM
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Sidney Clouston
I have sent to the ESA at the European Union regarding the International Space Station (ISS) a suggestion that goes one step beyond this article. I said to fill the space with cargo and send it to Mars. It certainly could be used first for Moon transfer but then go to support a Mars mission. A fast Manned Mission to Mars is appropriate with AeroCapture manuvers that then could transfer to
a lander craft for Mars surface activity. That lander might be carried by the Node (ISS) orbiting Mars.
3 days ago, 2:29:24 PM
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Charles Stringer
That is good that mankind is trying to move farward and not just setting out in space waiting for someone to hand it to us!

Sincerely

Charles L. Stringer
3 days ago, 2:18:35 PM
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Norman Hinderliter
What I canNOT understand is why "billions", of SURFACE-VALUE dollars are being wasted on such a project. What will Earth tell the ships crew, when a navigational deviation, of less than one degree sends the ship off, floating into the universe? Here, on home-world, we have something very strange, called "SEARCH-and-RESCUE". In space, there is NO such thing. If a ship is in trouble, in space, by the time a STANDARD S.O.S. would reach Earth, everyone on such a primitive ship, would be atleast WEEKS, or even YEARS, dead! What is the point of even attempting space travel before we have even developed Warp Drive engines? How safe will landers "away teams" feel knowing that, IF an alien presence DOES become hostile, that the closest security personnel are 5 years, maybe 10 years, away. And what about food. How does one store enough food for a voyage of 2, to 5, YEARS? Shouldn't we begin building food re-plicaters, before engaging in such missions. I am sorry, but it is obvious that this plan has NOT been thought out. It must be just propaganda, designed to make the public feel better, about the future.
3 days ago, 12:39:31 PM
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Rick Hunter
I think your confusing science and technology with science fiction.
3 days ago, 7:49:25 PM
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Impablomations ..
1: What is a surface value dollar?
2: Warp drives and food replicators are the stuff of a sci-fi TV programs
3: Star Trek is not real, they are actors
4: Please tell me you are trolling and are not actually serious?
3 days ago, 10:40:39 PM
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Rascal Willox Hopkins
Hang on a minute, this was my idea, lol,,serously though this did run through my head about a year ago. But surley it really makes sense doesn't it?
3 days ago, 12:38:25 PM
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Anthony Hibbert
maybe the answer to living on the moon in a protected enviroment is to live in the moon . i.e. build a base under the moons surface. as for moving the spacecentre science fiction got there a long time ago. but you also need a way of producing food,water, and oxegen.as for the spinning centre wheel ,how about using maglev with no moving parts to worry about
3 days ago, 10:12:48 AM
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Thursday, February 24, 2011

THE AMERO WILL NOT BE A REALITY. ALL DEBTS PAID. AND IS THERE ENOUGH TO GO AROUN

"Nothing in politics ever happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way." Franklin D. Roosevelt

In The Year of Our Lord ~ February Twenty Four, Two Thousand Eleven ~ Contact 2 ~ Transcribed by CJ


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THE AMERO WILL NOT BE A REALITY. ALL DEBTS PAID. AND IS THERE ENOUGH TO GO AROUND?

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The amero was concocted by the Bush-Clinton cabal. And it was basically to perpetuate the system we already have in place. But the trick to the amero was, we’re running huge deficits. The peso and the Canadian dollar are a much stronger currency than the US dollar and I can almost guarantee you that there isn’t a Canadian in the world that wants to jump on board and finance the American debt. Likewise for the Mexicans. So this was a way of diluting our debt across two other countries. So that wouldn’t fly. That’s the reason the amero came out. People heard about it but it’s not going to be a reality.

Remember, our dollar is created out of debt, so that’s a negative value. And so when we have a new currency, a TREASURY dollar that actually has value with a positive value that is based on gold and silver, they will essentially cancel themselves out mathematically. The problem is…, if we have to reconcile things from, let’s say, we convert tomorrow, if we have to reconcile previous debts based in a negative, and we’re reconciling them into a positive, that is mathematically impossible. So the only solution is to zero them out. But the majority of the debt we’re carrying are collateralizing their obligations. And here’s the trick to this thing; Most of the big banks that are up side down and that are struggling, they are carrying tons and tons of CDO’s (Collateral Debt Obligations) and it’s the same across the world. Bernanke, under pressure, admitted the CDO’s were worthless. So effectively he’s already admitted that all the debts are gone. Now, the CDO’s are based on the mortgages that were packaged in this mortgage scheme that the more you look at it the more you debacle. Right now, any mortgage that was written since about 2003, is probably worthless. Because in order to sell these CDO’s, they had to pull off the promissory note so that the investors overseas could not see if these notes were performing or nonperforming. And that would be based on the amount of money they would pay for that mortgage-backed portfolio they would buy as an investment vehicle.

Now, what has happened is…, the scheme was this; A spin-off of DELMARVA, which was a CIA front operation, was a company that still exists and is still in operation, in Pinellas, Florida. Nationwide has people down there and some of them can’t even speak English and they’re listed as the Vice President for so and so for Wells Fargo, or Vice President so and so for Bank of America…, anyway, they got all these people at the Nationwide Trust Services there in Pinellas, Florida who have never been to a Bank of America office. Never been to a Wells Fargo. Never been to a Deutsche Bank office. And they’re signing these documents…, rolling these mortgages over and this is a spin off into MERS. Some of you have heard about MERS. And all this is FRAUDULENT. So when this money is reissued…, the new currency…, they cannot prove, at this point, that there is a mortgage obligation because there is no promissory notes. Because they destroyed them in the process so they didn’t have any way to prove that the mortgages were performing or nonperforming. They did this to deceive the investors. Now it has turned around and bit them in the butt because now, if you can’t prove that there’s a promissory note attached to that mortgage, by rule of law, your house is free and clear. Now if this becomes known publically to the entire country, and it’s already been proven in a Massachusetts case, and it has already been proven in a Ohio case, if you don’t have the promissory note…, you don’t have the back end of a mortgage therefore your house is free and clear. So that’s another avenue by which debt is going to be forgiven. Because when this is all over, the CDO’s have been forgiven bank to bank and the things that underline those CDO values are the mortgages. And the mortgages have no promissory notes. So…, everybody is debt free. Those debts are going to be gone because you can walk into any Bank of America and say “show me the promissory note." And if they can’t show a promissory note then there’s no mortgage. Where there’s no mortgage you own the house free and clear.

We have rules for transfer of property value in this country. And you have to prove that. MERS has also played the game because of our cave way of recording property, they’ve found a little loop hole. And I am going to warn everybody about this. After this is all over and the money is refunded or revalued and the new currency is out there, I want to warn you about something that the bad guys are going to do. I have a group of people that I talk to and I had advised them that when this is all done go out and buy hard assets of income producing real estate, gold, silver, those kinds of things. But mainly things that are hard assets that produce cash flow. But the caveat to this is very simple. MERS has been running around the country and placing liens on property that there’s no way to prove that the liens were valid or not, so they tie you up in court and they foreclose before you even know it. And they’re basically stealing your property because there’s a hole in our way of tracking real estate. So, what I’m going to suggest to everyone listening is that, when you buy a piece of real estate, and you are in escrow, you go and get yourself a private real estate attorney. And you have that real estate attorney go to the court house and get a certified copy of the Deed for that property. So it shows the liens for that property. And you get that in your hot little hands, certified by the court house. And while you are in escrow, you have those lien holders satisfied out of escrow. And you have them submit you a letter that their lien on the property is satisfied. Now, if MERS comes along later and says…, well, we were subject to that property on this other lien or whatever, and that they are putting a lien on your property, you stop them right there because our courts, in this country, cannot commit fraud. And so if they give you a certified copy of the Deed to the property and it’s got the only lien holders there, nobody can come along later and say that the Title company was defrauded or the Title insurance defrauded. No. They can say that and they can get away with that. But no where, in our rule of law, do courts commit fraud. So if you’ve got a certified Title from the courthouse, it stops people like MERS from putting a lien on property after it’s free and clear. Now they’ve done this on four occasions that I know of. And they’ve gotten away with it because people couldn’t prove that there wasn’t a lien. They didn’t understand how this game was being played. So, when this is all over and you buy real estate, while you are in escrow, you go get your own real estate lawyer and have them pull a certified copy of Title from the courthouse. That way if anybody claims after the fact that they have a lien on your property you can stop them right there. And they have no way of fighting you on that because our courthouses do not commit fraud.

THE IRAQI DINAR AND THE TAX IMPLICATIONS IN EXCHANGING ONE CURRENCY FOR ANOTHER

There are three avenues of thought and you have to be patient with the timing on this and there’s a couple of reasons for that. You want to be slow to cash out the dinar and here’s a couple of reasons; First I want to put up front that I am not a financial advisor. But to just look at the situation here is to be cautious is to be slow in cashing these out and here’s why. If you take it as just a straight capital gain, if you go to cash them out right up front, most likely you are going to get hit with a 35% tax of capital gains. If you wait a year you are probably only going to get long term capital gains of about 15%. Now, that’s assuming the IRS is still in place. But with the new currency and with the Government being debt free, and the people being debt free, my guess is…, I don’t believe the IRS is going to be in the same game any longer. And they may not even come into play. So those are the three schools of thought you should consider. And some people have talked about a base rate. I don’t know. But I’ll tell you a little story about that. And if there are any IRS agents listening I’m past the Statute of Limitations. So, I’ll take you back to 1973 for a moment. When the US went off the gold standard in 1971, they started floating the US dollar against the deutsche mark and they did this so that Boeing and a lot of other people could sell a lot of heavy equipment to the Germans. When I was there in Nuremburg, right there on the base, was they had American Express bank, they had a contract from the Department of Defense to provide banking for the GI’s there. The interesting thing about the American Express…, is that if I took American dollars which I got my pay as a soldier, and I went into American Express and converted it to deutsche mark, I would get a 3 ½ % discount on my deutsche mark. And then if I walked off the base three blocks down the street and went to Blooms Bank, I would get a 3 ½ - 4% discount on dollars. So I would take about fifteen hundred bucks and I would go get deutsche mark and I would walk downtown and I’d go buy dollars and I’d come back with about sixteen hundred. And then I’d go back and I’d get more deutsche mark and I would come back and I’d have about eighteen hundred. And I could do this 3 or 4 times a day. So, I don’t want to go into how much I made, but I made a lot of money doing that over a course of maybe a month…, month and a half.

And so we had a.., I don’t know if he was a real IRS agent or if he was just somebody for the Army that would advise soldiers on how to fill out their taxes. When I explained this to him he said “I don’t know how you would base that because you’re exchanging currencies and I don’t know what your base will be…., what your base value would be on that.” This guy just said “ I don’t know what you would report so I guess it’s not income.” Now, that’s changed a lot. So I made a lot of money in 1973 just by exchanging currencies, and that might be what happens this time, and I’m saying might be. I would exercise a great amount of caution as this thing goes forward. And assume at the beginning that you’re going to pay a short term capital gains of 35% based on the net value you cash out for against what you actually paid for the dinar. And that’s the safest way you can do it.
THE PLAN AND SWITCHING GEARS ~ NEW CURRENCY, END OF THE FED, IRS FADES AWAY INTO THE SUNSET, AND PEOPLE TRIED FOR TREASON AROUND THE WORLD

There is a plan in place and I have to take you back to Dachau. We’re going to have our march through the Dachau concentration camp but it’s going to be the whole country. One example that I know first hand…, was the March of 2003 bombardment of Bagdad. While everyone was watching the shock and awe, we were dumping 12,840 cruice missiles on Bagdad. These were not the neat ones you see on TV that go through the window or down the chimney. These were first generation cruise missiles that weren’t exactly that good. Defense Intelligence Analysts estimate that eighty percent of those missiles did not hit their targets, and they went into shopping centers, and they went into schools, and mosques, and residential areas. I actually did see the satellite BBA photos of thousands of Iraqi innocent civilians who were killed that day while everyone else was watching our troops running up the highway into Bagdad. On that day we killed over 220,000 Iraqi civilians and maimed another 610,000. And the web sites have been blocked here but I think if you go to Doctors Without Borders there may still be some photographs of two and three year old Iraqi children with no arms and legs. And I’m not talking about some missing some legs or some missing an arm. I’m talking about them missing all four appendages. And that’s a war crime and we did that. And so that’s our Dachau moment.

Then you have Dick Cheney, openly says on television…, yea, he authorized torture…, a violation of the Geneva Hague Convention. He openly says it and it’s like so what…, well by his admission he is a war criminal. So we’re going to see these things come out. There will be tribunals. And the tribunals will either be done by us or they’ll be administered by an international tribunal made up of probably a composite of the whoever the 140 nations decide they want to send, but there will be a day of reckoning. That much I guarantee you. And the American people are going to choke on this because their gonna have their Dachau moment. Their gonna get marched through the concentration camp and their going to see all the things that have been done that they though were funny. I mean, I remember, if we go back to when Carter was President, we had the issues of the hostages in Tehran, and people were running around saying “nuke the Iranians,” and we were all supporting the Shah and all this stuff. Well, people never looked really hard at the Shah. This was a guy who was so despicable, that he murdered his own father, to become an American puppet to take over Iran. Now…, think about that. Who among you would kill your own father for money? Now that’s the kind of people, that our Government, who claims to be a democratic and freedom loving nation supports. These are the realities of history that you have to look at. These are things you can check. These are things you can Google. These are things you can do your own research on. And they’ve been in front of you all of your life.

To Be Continued


Thursday, February 24, 2011

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