| From AbundantHope.net Health and Nutrition One of the Most Inexcusable Vaccine Revelations of All...Posted By Dr. Mercola | July 10 2011 | 235,986 viewsFormer drug company scientist Helen Ratajczak recently created a firestorm of debate from all sides of the vaccine-autism issue when she published her comprehensive review of autism research. This is a massively important study, for more than one reason. One element brought to light that has managed to stay well below the radar is the use of aborted embryonic cells in vaccine production. CBS News recently reported: “Ratajczak reports that about the same time vaccine makers took most thimerosal out of most vaccines (with the exception of flu shots which still widely contain thimerosal), they began making some vaccines using human tissue. Ratajczak says human tissue is currently used in 23 vaccines. She discusses the increase in autism incidences corresponding with the introduction of human DNA to MMR vaccine, and suggests the two could be linked.” Sources:
Dr Mercola's Comments: Former drug company scientist Helen Ratajczak recently created a firestorm of debate from all sides of the vaccine-autism issue when she published her comprehensive review of autism research. However, her 79-page review contains one detail that could easily go unnoticed—five words that reveal one of the most shocking secrets Big Pharma has ever kept from you. "…Grown in human fetal tissue." The line reads (page 70): "An additional increased spike in incidence of autism occurred in 1995 when the chicken pox vaccine was grown in human fetal tissue." If you are struggling to recall how you could have missed this important fact when signing your vaccine consent form, it wasn't your error—because it wasn't disclosed on any consent form. Most people are unaware that human cell cultures derived from aborted human fetuses have been used extensively in vaccine production for decades. And vaccine makers are happy that most of the public has remained ignorant of this fact, as awareness of it could blow up in their faces. Setting aside, for the moment, unknown long-term health consequences of DNA contamination and religious beliefs about use of aborted fetal tissues—the ethics of nondisclosure are reprehensible. Drug companies and vaccine policy-makers should not be allowed to decide whether or not to share this information with you. This is information you should have received PRIOR to making a choice about whether or not to vaccinate. Which Vaccines Might Be Produced Using Aborted Fetal Cell Lines?Chicken pox vaccine is not the only vaccine manufactured in this way. According to Sound Choice Pharmaceutical Institute (SCPI), the following 24 vaccines are produced using cells from aborted fetuses and/or contain DNA, proteins, or related cellular debris from cell cultures derived from aborted human fetuses:
SCPI also lists cosmetics that are similarly produced from aborted fetal tissue cell lines, which I'll discuss a bit later. The Sordid History of Viral VaccinesThere are two primary cell cultures that have been growing in labs for more than 35 years and have been used to prepare hundreds of millions of doses of vaccines:
The National Network for Immunization Information (NNII) has an article on their website explaining the rationale for using human fetal cells, and the history of how they've been used in vaccine production. The article states that these fetuses were not aborted for the purpose of vaccine research or vaccine production, nor did the cell biologists who created the cultures perform the abortions themselves. The NNII article explains some of the difficulties involved in producing "biological medications," especially when it comes to growing viruses: "It is far more complex to manufacture biological medications (for example, vaccines, antibodies) than it is to produce chemical medications (for example, penicillin or aspirin). In addition, certain vaccines are more complex to make than others. The bacteria that go into bacterial vaccines can be grown in simple laboratory cultures. In contrast, the growth of viruses requires living cells. Viruses cannot reproduce on their own. They require a living host in which to grow, such as chicken embryos, and cells from animals that are grown in culture. Vaccine manufacturers currently have few options for viral culture, because of valid pharmaceutical reasons and because of human safety concerns. For example, varicella (chickenpox) virus does not grow well in most cells derived from species other than humans. Also, human cells are preferred because cells derived from animal organs sometimes may carry animal viruses that could harm people." It may be more difficult, but it IS possible to prepare viral vaccines without the use of human or animal cells, as today's hepatitis B vaccine proves. The current version of the hepatitis B vaccine, used in the U.S. since 1986, uses yeast cells. Other virus vaccines use chicken embryos or monkey kidney cell lines. So, why don't manufacturers avoid using human cells altogether and instead opt for less controversial methods? I suspect there is little incentive for vaccine manufacturers to develop and test new vaccines when they are already profiting from existing ones. Of course, when the truth becomes widely known about how these vaccines are derived, they may begin seeing their profits plunge and be forced to find new methodology. One Particularly Egregious Example: Rubella VaccineThe rubella virus used in making rubella vaccine was originally derived from tissues from the aborted fetus of a rubella virus-infected mother. Babies born to rubella-infected mothers are at risk for serious birth defects. According to Barbara Loe Fisher of the National Vaccine Information Center: "The rubella vaccine currently used in the U.S. and in most countries was developed after an American researcher at the Wistar Institute cultured rubella virus from a fetus aborted because the mother was infected with rubella. This vaccine is called RA 27/3 because the rubella virus was isolated from the 27th aborted fetus sent to the Wistar Institute in the 1964 rubella outbreak. Researchers were unable to culture rubella from the tissues of the first 26 fetuses sent to Wistar, which had been aborted by doctors because the mothers had rubella during pregnancy." A recent study by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has led to a question of whether there is a correlation between the abrupt rise in American autism rates with the introduction of fetal cells for use in vaccines (1988). This correlation has prompted researchers to ask the question about how aborted fetal DNA could be causing, or contributing to, the development of autism disorders in children. Thus far, there have been no proposed theories of a mechanism. However, it's a significant correlation that should at least be investigated. If you care about what you put into your body, and into your child's body, and you are outraged by this information, you are not alone. How can a person be pro-life and NOT object to the use of these vaccines? The impact of the finding that many vaccines are derived from aborted fetal cell lines is potentially enormous, given the great number of people who define themselves as Pro Life. For someone who is Pro Life to discover that a vaccine contains the DNA from aborted fetuses is like a Muslim finding out that a vaccine is derived from pork. I would anticipate that many of the people who object to use of aborted fetal tissues for scientific research are going to be shocked and outraged when they learn that their children have been secretly injected with vaccines containing DNA, proteins, or related cellular debris from cell cultures derived from aborted human fetuses. This is not a small portion of the population! The two largest religious preferences in the U.S. are Catholic and Evangelical, representing 50 percent of the population. And those are not the only two groups who typically share Pro Life views. Given these numbers, you could extrapolate that more than one of every two people receiving vaccines might have opted out of them based on religious beliefs alone, had they been given truthful and complete information about how the vaccines were produced. The Catholic Church objects to "formal cooperation" with abortion. However, in terms of its vaccine policy, there are more gray areas than mandates. The Vatican states it's your "grave responsibility" to use alternative vaccines when available, i.e., vaccines not derived from aborted human fetuses. It also states that those with moral problems should make conscientious objections. However, the Vatican dictates it's within your right to make your own choice about whether or not to use these vaccines. It takes the position that, in the absence of alternatives, the health of the population as a whole must be considered, stating these vaccines may be utilized "to avoid a serious risk not only for one's own children but also, and more specifically, for the health conditions of the population as a whole—especially for pregnant women." For more details on the Catholic Church's stance on this issue, the National Catholic Bioethics Center has a section of their website devoted to Q & A about vaccines derived from fetal cells. If you are Catholic and confused about this issue, you may want to discuss it with your priest. If you are Pro Life for religious or other reasons, you owe it to yourself to take a serious look at this information before consenting to be vaccinated. Catholics and others who share a Pro Life point of view may play an important role in the future of vaccine policy by pressuring the vaccine industry and policymakers to adopt alternative strategies for vaccine research and production. Shocking Examples of Aborted Fetal Cells Used by the Food and Cosmetic IndustryWith a little further probing, you'll discover the practice of using aborted fetal cell lines extends far beyond vaccines. Biotech companies are using these cell lines in the research and development of products ranging from soup to anti-aging skin creams. For example, a San Francisco cosmetics company, Neocutis Inc., acknowledges that the key ingredient in its anti-aging skin care line, PSP, was developed from an aborted and donated male fetus. The use of fetal tissue in anti-wrinkle creams certainly crosses moral and ethical boundaries for most consumers, especially when companies choose to HIDE this information. But it gets worse… Cells from an aborted fetus may have been used to create flavor enhancers for your soup or soft drink. Yes, you read that right. PepsiCo, Kraft Foods, and Nestle are reported to have partnered with a biotech firm called Senomyx, which uses human embryonic kidney cells taken from an electively aborted fetus (HEK 293) in their product testing to find flavors that will positively affect human taste receptors. When this news leaked, Campbell soup responded to an outraged public by severing all ties with Senomyx. However, PepsiCo has maintained their relationship with the company, saying the collaboration is necessary for creating low-calorie, tasty products for their consumers. REALLY? Must they really use human fetal cells just to make soda pop taste good? This makes me wonder how many companies out there are engaging in such practices that we haven't yet discovered. If they've been doing this with vaccines, cosmetics and food, I wonder what else they might be doing. Take Action Now!NVIC has provided a webpage to educate you about vaccine contamination that could harm your health. There is also a Vaccine Ingredients Calculator on NVIC's website that helps you learn about what kinds of human protein, DNA, chemicals and other ingredients are in vaccines. NVIC publishes a Vaccine E-newsletter regularly with alerts about vaccine policy and law updates that you can subscribe to, free of charge. NVIC supports and defends your right to make fully informed, voluntary decisions regarding pharmaceutical products, including vaccines. This includes the right to know EXACTLY what is in vaccines and how vaccine ingredients could affect your health. Included on the page are clear steps for how you can take action, plus many useful resources. For more information about vaccines, I also invite you to visit my vaccine news page.
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Sunday, July 17, 2011
Most Inexcusable Vaccine Revelations Of All
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--Katt from OOM from Roger/DinarDaddy from the Dinar Summit 07/16/2011
[Katt] from Roger/DinarDaddy ::: Good Morning everyone! I’m about 33,000 feet in the air coming back from the Dinar Summit held in Toledo, Ohio where I met host Brad Heubner (The BH Group), Frank Villa (Frank 26 / Frankly Speaking), Breitling, Scooter, and Rudy Coenen among others. It was an interesting time, and it was good to finally put faces to names/usernames.
[Katt] As of last night (Friday), the dinar exchange rate has been bouncing from the closing of 1177 to 1032. The market is closed and should be a flat line until Sunday when it reopens. These "bounces" may in fact, be pinging, or a syncing of the dinar with international banking institutions. In any care, it is abnormal for this to be occurring and may, in fact, be the precursor to the RV. You can watch this event unfold by visiting the home page and watching the live ForFX chart on the lower right corner. The 1d chart is capturing this activity.
7-16-2011 Guru Okie_Oil_Man AFTER AN ALL NIGHTER ON THE PHONE I HAVE COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT ACCORDING TO MY UNDERSTANDING SUBJECTION TO CORRECTION THAT THE IRAQI DINAR WILL GO LIVE AND BE OF VALUE IN THE USA MONDAY MORNING--SO IT NOW APPEARS WE MAY BE ABLE TO CASH IN MONDAY.
[OKIE OIL MAN] OK I GIVE UP ON BLACK BLACK AND WILL HAVE TO BE SATISIFIED WITH A GRAY BLACK I GUESS---WELL AFTER AN ALL NIGHTER ON THE PHONE I HAVE COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT ACCORDING TO MY UNDERSTANDING SUBJECTION TO CORRECTION THAT THE IRAQI DINAR WILL GO LIVE AND BE OF VALUE IN THE USA MONDAY MORNING--SO IT NOW APPEARS WE MAY BE ABLE TO CASH IN MONDAY. THAT ENOUGH FOR NOW???
[OKIE OIL MAN] IRAQ DINAR WILL GO INTERNATIONAL MONDAY MORNING WORLD WIDE
[OKIE OIL MAN] IF THAT DON'T MAKE YOU WANT TO ATTEND CHURCH TOMMOROW--WHAT WILL?????
[OKIE OIL MAN] I WILL ANSWER SOME SLEEPY HEADED QUESTIONS RIGHT AFTER I GET MORE COFFEE---BRB
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[OKIE OIL MAN] ALLWAYS HAVE A NON INTEREST BEARING ACCOUNT IF YOUR DEPOSIT IS OVER 250K FOR FULL FDIC PROTECTION
[Katt] OKIE OIL MAN [cheeny] OKIE...just as a guidline... would you recommend moving your funds to tangible assets and which types do you consider stable?
[OKIE OIL MAN] CHEENY--ANYTHING HAS A DEGREE OF RISK BUT PRESENTLY IT APPEARS PRECIOUS METALS ARE THE SAFEST INVESTMENT
[Katt] OKIE OIL MAN [Okie rocks!] Okie sir, forgive my whining but I am worried. Lost husband and am sick myself unable to pay mortgage and want to keep a roof over my daughters head...we have heard it is done before, please tell me why you feel THIS time is different? Thank you
[OKIE OIL MAN] OKIEROCKS--LET ME ANSWER A QUESTION WITH A QUESTION--HAVE WE EVER HEARD BEFORE IRAQ GOING INTERNATIONAL WITH THEIR CURRENCY--HAVE WE SEEN THEIR GOV FULLY SEATED??--HAVE WE SEEN RESTRICTIONS FOR 9 YEARS RELEASED?? HAVE WE SEEN THE UNSC AND THE UN DECLARE THAT FINALLY THEY ARE A SOVERIGN NATION---WANT ME TO CONTINUE OR IS THIS ENOUGH?
[Katt] OKIE OIL MAN [lsugirl] can u please explain the 2 different options banks vs ust
[OKIE OIL MAN] LSUGIRL--WE WILL HAVE TO WAIT FOR VERIFICATION AS TO WHETHER AND WHERE THE UST/IRS OFFICES ARE--THEY WOULD BE THE BEST OPTION IS THEY ARE GOING TO OPEN OFFICES BECAUSE THEY CAN TAKE TAXES THERE AND THEN AND NOT AUDIT YOU ON THE DINAR PORTION OF YOUR TAXES AND MAY AND I SAY MAY (MAY) HAVE A HIGHER RATE THAN BANKS (SPECULATION AT THIS TIME)
[Katt] [ladyj47] Okie - (MarineGunner using wife's login) Is the 45 day issue still valid? If so, what is your suggested strategy for best handling this?
[DelawareMeMom] Okie, I have been taking tour groups to the Holy Land for 43 years. When the dust settles after the RV, may I have the honor to manage a tour with you and your friends/followers to give thanks in the Land of the Bible? There are many people who would love to walk where Jesus walked - with Okie at the head of the line!
[OKIE OIL MAN] LSDYJ47 CAN'T SAY TILL AFTER MONDAY BUT IF THIS IS TRUELY VALID I WOULD THINK THAT IN 45 DAYS YOU CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT IS BEST FOR YOU TO DO
[Katt] [golfnut] Okie have you any comment in regards to fed tax rates that we may see at cashin with the UST? If this question is repetitive I apologize, I just signed on
[OKIE OIL MAN] DELAWAREMOM--IT'S A DATE
[OKIE OIL MAN] GOLFNUT--WE WILL HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE IF THEIR ACTUALLY GOING TO OPEN THE OFFICES BEFORE THAT CAN BE ANSWERED
[Katt] OKIE OIL MAN [bdome] Okie Oil Man For someone who is not interested in starting businesses but just protecting this blessing for the benefit of family and heirs, do you have any opinions on whether LLC or Trust is a better option for us??
[lobster] Katt : For Okie, do you think a new rate will show up on the CBI website tonight after midnight?
[OKIE OIL MAN] BDOME--CONTACT JIM JENKINS AND UTILIZE HIS TRUST
[lobster] Katt : For Okie, do you think a new rate will show up on the CBI website tonight after midnight?
[OKIE OIL MAN] BDOME--CONTACT JIM JENKINS AND UTILIZE HIS TRUST
[Jimbo] Tks for the endorsement, Okie. Jim@JimJenkinsMusic.com
[OKIE OIL MAN] LOBSTER--MAKES NO DIFFERENCE--WE WILL SEE IT MON
[Katt] OKIE OIL MAN
[cagirl] Okie, thank you for all you do..I have an LLC ready for cash in...... if I purchase a new home, should I take title to it as the LLC or just as husband and wife?? Thankx
[lobster] THANKs
[lobster] Katt : For Okie, do you think a new rate will show up on the CBI website tonight after midnight?
[OKIE OIL MAN] BDOME--CONTACT JIM JENKINS AND UTILIZE HIS TRUST
[Jimbo] Tks for the endorsement, Okie. Jim@JimJenkinsMusic.com
[OKIE OIL MAN] LOBSTER--MAKES NO DIFFERENCE--WE WILL SEE IT MON
12:49 PM [Katt] [Roseofsharon] OKIE, Do you agree with making copies of our Dinar and having the banks initial before we cash them in?
12:49 PM [OKIE OIL MAN]. DON'T WORRY PROSPEROUS OKIE WILL ALWAYS BE AROUND--IF NOT--OTHERS WILL TAKE MY PLACE
12:50 PM [OKIE OIL MAN] ROSEOFSHARON--I PERSONALLY AM NOT MAKING COPIES
12:51 PM [Katt] [bboy] Okie you have previously mentioned Loyds of London insurance as protection against bank default etc. Could you expand on that a tad???
12:51 PM [OKIE OIL MAN] BBOY CONTACT LLOYDS OF LONDON REGARDING A PERSONAL UMBRELLA POLICY COVERING YOU AND YOUR ASSETS
12:51 PM [Jimbo] alicer ...may I address this issue pls? If U set up a Bus. Trust like in NV w/out any income taxes, domicile it there, U can legally avoid state income taxes
12:52 PM [Jimbo] There are 8 such states
Jul 16 12:52 PM [OKIE OIL MAN] JIMBO--WHAT ABOUT RESIDENCY REQUIREMENTS?
Jul 16 12:54 PM [Jimbo] OKIE OIL MAN ...residency requirements only applies to where YOU live, not where a fictious entity such as a Bus. Trust is legally domiciled. Done all the time. NV has made a fortune over the yrs. doing this.
Jul 16 12:54 PM [OKIE OIL MAN] WHICH ONE OF YOU MODS HAS THE DISCRETION OF PUTTING THE CITY BESIDE THE NAME OF THOSE LOGGING IN FOR MY BENEFIT?
Jul 16 12:55 PM [OKIE OIL MAN] JIMBO--I UNDERSTAND--I HAVE A NEVADA LLC THAT IS DOLLARING ME TO DEATH--
Jul 16 12:55 PM [Katt] OKIE OIL MAN was that facetiousness? LOL
Jul 16 12:56 PM [OKIE OIL MAN] FACETIOUS ABOUT WHAT KATT?
Jul 16 12:56 PM [Katt] OKIE OIL MAN the city?
Jul 16 12:57 PM [OKIE OIL MAN] KATT-NO--WHEN I WAS ON PLANTET DINAR I WAS ALLOWED TO SEE WHERE A PERSON LOGGED IN FROM AND KNOW IT IS A PROGRAMABLE FACET OF THESE SITES AND WANT THAT SAME BENEFIT HERE ALSO
Jul 16 12:59 PM [Katt] [dinarmama7] Regarding the water wells that OKIE is drilling, how do we connect w/him in that or is he partnering up w/James & Betty Robison to do it. Some of us want to be involved in that ministy as well.
Jul 16 1:00 PM [OKIE OIL MAN] YOU GUYS NEED TO BE CONTEMPLATING THE VICINITY WHERE YOU PLAN ON CASHING IN---DON'T WAKE UP MONDAY MORN WITH A KNEE JERK REACTION----START PLANNING-------FAILING TO PLAN IS PLANNING TO FAIL
Jul 16 1:01 PM [Jimbo] OKIE OIL MAN ...excellent advice bro
Jul 16 1:01 PM [OKIE OIL MAN] DINARMAMA--YES I PLAN ON PARTNERING WITH JAMES AND BETTY
Jul 16 1:01 PM [Katt] [laurelei] for Okie, I didn't have all of the info for you last night, Victory Junction Camp for children with serious health issues is in North Carolina and are in the process of opening another facility in Kansas. Thanks for all you do!
Jul 16 1:02 PM [OKIE OIL MAN] LAURELEI-I WOULD PRIMARILY BE INTERESTED THE MOST IN THE KANSAS CAMP SIMPLY BECAUSE IT IS CLOSER TO ME
1:03 PM [Katt] [bear5642] I JUST FOUND OUT THAT THE MISSIONARY WAS UNABLE TO GET WATER FOR THE ORPHANGE WITH 400 CHILDREN TO EXSPENSIVE
1:04 PM [Mic1587] okie oil man - just wanted to pass on my sincere thanks to you! for months now i have always sat in the back but ALWAYS waiting to hear what okie had to say. many times when i have been down a bit, it was always okie that brought my spirits back up!
1:04 PM [OKIE OIL MAN] BEAR LET ME KNOW LOCATION OF MISSIONARY AND LET ME KNOW NOW (NOW!!!!!)
1:04 PM [OKIE OIL MAN] THNX MIC1587
1:05 PM [Katt] [hound] Okie what benefit does the UST have by cutting out the banks at cashin? Wouldnt you think they would want to help the banks?
1:07 PM [OKIE OIL MAN] HOUND--YOUR KIDDING OF COURSE??---THE UST LOANS MONEY TO BANKS AT 0% INTEREST---THE FED'S GAVE BILLIONS FREE TO THE TOO BIG TO FAIL BANKS---YOU THINK THAT THEY HAVEN'T ALREADY BEEN HELPED???
1:07 PM [Katt] [bboy] Okie, some of us will travel out of state and perhaps overnight to an RV site with what represents millions of dollars in possession. For security reasons, would you suggest employing an off-duty policeman or security guard to ride along??
1:11 PM [OKIE OIL MAN] BBOY--SECURITY SHOULD BE PARAMOUNT IN YOUR MIND--HOWEVER--SECURITY CAN BE AN OBVIOUS INDICATOR OF PERSON HAVING SOMETHING OF VALUE--ALWAYS PLAY A LOW PROFILE--DON'T STAY IN A 5 STAR MOTEL AND ORDER CHAMPAIGN AND CAVAIR--BE MEEK--BE HUMBLE--BE POOR AS FAR SUPERFICIALLY AS YOU CAN BE---LEAVE YOUR DIAMONDS AND ROLEX'S HOME--WEAR FADED OUT BLUE JEANS AND CARRY A TOOL BAG THAT APPEARS TO BE NOTHING OF VALUE--DON'T PARK A CADILLAC IN FRONT OF CASH IN PLACE--PARK A COUPLE OF BLOCKS AWAY AND LOOK LIKE AN AVERAGE JOE--IF YOU EMPLOY SECURITY--HAVE THEM LOOK AS COMMON AS POSSIBLE WITHOUT FLASHING A BADGE OR HAVING A VISUAL WEAPON---BLEND IN---DON'T BE OBVIOUS IN ANY WAY OR MANNER
1:12 PM [Katt] Jimbo [bevy40] Jim after RV will there be information on how to run our trusts..thank you..lol
1:12 PM [Jimbo] Katt ...yes
1:12 PM [OKIE OIL MAN] JIMBO--HOW HIGH IS THE MOON?
1:17 PM [Katt] [legacy] I have a question for Okie. We have given our children dinar to cash in themselves. Will they need the receipt at tax time? It will have my name on it. Can you speak to this situation?
1:17 PM [OKIE OIL MAN] LEGACY--CURRENCY IS CURRENCY--PROOF OF OWNERSHIP IS A MOOT POINT--IS IT A LARGE AMOUNT??
1:21 PM [OKIE OIL MAN] OK FOLKS--LET ME SPELL IT OUT--FOR THE MAXIMUM ASSET PROTECTION THE BUSINESS TRUST (LEGAL) THAT JIM JENKINS HAS IS THE BEST AVAILABLE AND AT A REASONABLE PRICE--THAT IS A RARE COMBINATION NOW A DAYS
1:22 PM [OKIE OIL MAN] MODS LET JIMBO TAKE QUESTIONS IN CONJUNCTION WITH OKIE RECEIVING QUESTIONS AS WELL------THNX
1:21 PM [oleden] Jimbo Does a 508 have any/much asset protection?
1:22 PM [Jimbo] oleden ...perhaps so, but it also has certain limitations, IMO, similar to a 501(c)3. A Bus. Trust like I use does not.
1:22 PM [BWM] Jimbo [PCSKID] Jimbo does a trust have to be record some where
1:22 PM [BWM] OKIE OIL MAN [Eagle Has Landed] 12:53 PM [Eagle Has Landed] Please let Okie and others know that both E-Trade and Chas Schwab insure every account for $600Million over and above SIPC Insurance through Lloyds of London
1:22 PM [Jimbo] BWM ...good Q. No, it's not a creature of any state agency. It's a pvt. contract only.
1:12 PM [Eagle Has Landed] Regarding the security issue: go to cash-in [Eagle Has Landed] Regarding the security issue: go to cash-in location in a RENTAL car so no one gets your license plate number
1:24 PM [Jimbo] Jimbo Jimbo ...as a matter of fact, no gov't shall make any law impinging upon its legality because it's a contract as guaranteed to us under Article 1 Sec. 10 of our Fed. Constitution.
1:23 PM [OKIE OIL MAN] EAGLE HAS LANDED--YOU OFFER GREAT ADVISE
1:24 PM [OKIE OIL MAN] BMW--UNLESS YOUR IN THE OVER 10 MILLION DOLLAR QUALIFIED INVESTOR CATEGORY THAT IS A QUESTION OF NO RELEVANCE TO YOU
1:26 PM [OKIE OIL MAN] WGS AND PP ARE SEPERATE FROM R/V--I CAN NOT PROJECT THEIR TIMING
1:27 PM [BWM] \OKIE OIL MAN [jellie] I have a reserve I was told to go pick it up so that it isn't mailed. When I go pick it up I will be in another state is it true that I can't cash in or wire the money to my bank from a different state?
1:27 PM [OKIE OIL MAN] I STILL HAVE MANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE PP AND GS PROGRAMS
1:28 PM [OKIE OIL MAN] JELLIE--NO--YOU CAN WIRE ANYWHERE YOU CHOOSE
1:28 PM [BWM] OKIE OIL MAN [RichGirl] When was the actual RV announcment?
1:29 PM [OKIE OIL MAN] RICHGIRL--DINAR WILL BE INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNIZED MON MORN
1:30 PM [BWM] OKIE OIL MAN [Hecht] In your opinion what will be the out-come of the Panetta visit and our extended troop protection in Iraq and is this a factor in the R/V as noted by some because of the Security and Defense ministers not being seated?
1:31 PM [OKIE OIL MAN] MINISTERS SEATED--PANETTA WILL GET AGREEMENT FOR ADDITIONAL TIME FOR A SPECIFIED AMOUNT OF US TROOPS TO STAY IN COUNTRY
1:31 PM [iqdgranny] [beachcindy] Okie: what rate are you hearing? is that tied to the GBP? thanks
1:32 PM [OKIE OIL MAN] CINDY-ANSWERED 2000 TIMES NOW
1:33 PM [OKIE OIL MAN] 3.13 ALL THE WAY TO 8.20----USD OR POUND-??????
1:33 PM [BWM] OKIE OIL MAN [runningman1451] Okie, if i go to trader to cash out reserve and send to my bank, i will bypass the UST system, will i miss the advantages, and will those dinar go to Iraq instead of the US?
1:35 PM [OKIE OIL MAN] IT REMAINS TO BE SEEN WHETHER YOU BYPASS THE UST-- I DOUBT THAT IS POSSIBLE--ALL DINARS WILL BE SENT AT LEAST THRU A CLEARING BANK IN THE USA THAT I UNDERSTAND IS BOA IN NEW YORK--BELEIVE ME--THEY WILL ACCOUNT FOR EVERY DINARIN THE USA FOR TAX PURPOSES
1:36 PM [BWM] OKIE OIL MAN [MsTex] Tell Okie that we appreciate his service to our nation in Vietnam and we covet his prayers for our children serving in the military in harms way.
1:36 PM [OKIE OIL MAN] MS TEX--BLESS OUR TROOPS
1:37 PM [OKIE OIL MAN] PHONE-BRB
1:38 PM [BWM] OKIE OIL MAN [jazzmama] OKIE OIL MAN -With Iraq's money being recognized Monday Internationally, does that also open the door for the other countries in the basket being recognized and are you able to elaborate on who those countries are? Thank you!
1:40 PM [OKIE OIL MAN] JAZZMAMA--MY UNDERSTANDING IS IRAQ IS THE CATYLIST FOR SEVERAL COUNTRIES TO R/V AT THE SAME TIME--THOSE COUNTRIES WILL BE KEPT SECURE AS TO HOLD DOWN SPECULATION ON CURRENCY VALUATION FOR PURPOSES OF DOUBLE DIPPING
1:40 PM [BWM] Jimbo [HighCountry] For Jimbo: if we start of by cashing in a couple bills to set up entities ect., where would you advise we transfer the initial ammount to if not personal acct?
1:41 PM [Jimbo] Am asked that Q. often. Is a pers. choice
1:42 PM [Jimbo] If cashing in only a few dinars at first, they would obv. be in your own acc't
1:42 PM [iqdgranny] Jimbo [PCSKID] Jimbo does a trust have to be recored some where?
1:42 PM [Jimbo] iqdgranny ...negative
1:43 PM [BWM] Jimbo [rliszt] for Jimbo...how does it benefit us to not place the rv into a personal account...is there some trail we leave?
1:44 PM [Jimbo] BWM ...it's more complicated than poss. to explain in a mere few words, so best to request my 7 page Summary & then we can chat.
1:44 PM [BWM] Jimbo [wannabesnobird] jimbo will u be available after rv??? important to many here as we have no funds to set up trust now????
1:44 PM [Jimbo] BWM ...yes, will be here & avail, as well as back-up.
1:45 PM [BWM] Jimbo [tbush] Can't you just put the majority of your cashin in a non-interest bearing account that way it is covered by the FDIC until you can place the funds properly?
1:47 PM [BWM] OKIE OIL MAN [madobend1] when and where would you expect it to be possible to find out about UST exchanging as well as what they have to offer, presumably.
1:47 PM [OKIE OIL MAN] TBUSH-JIMBO FORGOT TO TELL YOU THAT THE STATE YOU LIVE IN WILL DETERMINE YOUR TAXES (STATEWISE)IF YOU DON'T HAVE OTHER ARRANGEMENTS MADE IN A NO CAPITOL GAINS TAX STATE.
1:48 PM [OKIE OIL MAN] MADOBEND--IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE R/V BECAUSE THEY WANT THE TAXES AS SOON AS POSSIBLE
1:48 PM [BWM] OKIE OIL MAN [santafe] for Okie or Jim.... what is the significance of investor status? (10 millon +)
1:49 PM [jphil] BWM Does cap gains stop at reg income rate or does it change to next rate up scale to max rate.
1:49 PM [OKIE OIL MAN] SANTEFE--TO KEEP THE AVERAGE INDIVIDUAL FROM EVER HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY THAT WE DINAR HOLDERS HAVE HAD
1:52 PM [OKIE OIL MAN] ASELLS--ACCUMULATIVE VALUE REGARDLESS OF WHEN YOU CASH IN (SAME YEAR) WILL BE AT SAME TAX RATE (SHORT OR LONG TERM)
1:52 PM [BWM] OKIE OIL MAN [madobend1] do you think that it will be necessary for us to go ourselves to exchange or can we authorize a friend to take the dinars in, pay the tax and have the money wired to us if we are outside the US?
1:52 PM [OKIE OIL MAN] ASELLS--ACCUMULATIVE VALUE REGARDLESS OF WHEN YOU CASH IN (SAME YEAR) WILL BE AT SAME TAX RATE (SHORT OR LONG TERM)
1:54 PM [OKIE OIL MAN] MADOBEND-IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU WILL HAVE TO HAVE PROPER IDENTIFICATION TO CASH IN AND IF THAT IS THE RULE TO BE FOLLOWED THEN THAT WOULD NECESSATATE YOU DOING IT PERSONALLY--HOWEVER A POWER OF ATTORNEY DOCUMENT THAT HAS BEEN WITNESSED AND NOTARIZED I THINK WOULD SUFFICE
1:57 PM [BWM] Jimbo [Soul Searcher] Jimbo: Have you heard of the Irrevocable Spendthrift Trust from Hayseed, do you have an opinion on this?
1:57 PM [BWM] OKIE OIL MAN [revdan49] Does Okie think there will be a time limit set by the US or Iraq for cash-in?
1:58 PM [Jimbo] goldmember ...Yes, and must say I don't care for it. Too costly & complicated IMO
1:59 PM [Jimbo] I try to operate on the basis that A Knock is a Boost. But I do know my product after many yrs. of research and practical use. It works. That I know.
2:00 PM [dinardanny] BWM ...Jimbo...how do we get our information to you to received your Bus. Trust information....you have your IM closed.
2:00 PM [Jimbo] dinardanny ...email me Jim@JimJenkinsMusic.com
2:01 PM [BWM] OKIE OIL MAN [caramina] Hello Okie, we know you enjoy a good steak and western swing, what’s your favorite dessert to top off an evening of fun with friends? And thank you for always being here to guide us!
2:02 PM [OKIE OIL MAN] CARAMINA--COCONUT CREME PIE
2:02 PM [BWM] Jimbo [laurelei] Jimbo, would you suggest setting up an LLC inside the trust for business ventures? What is the benefit of having everything combined within a trust versus separate trusts or llc, if any?
2:02 PM [Jimbo] BWM ...can be inside or out, 'tis your call.
2:03 PM [OKIE OIL MAN] WHY ARE YOU OBSESSED ABOUT CBI--THEY ARE ALWAYS BEHIND WITH POSTING--YOU WILL BE CASHED IN BEFORE THEY POST PROBABLY…. agree
2:04 PM [OKIE OIL MAN] OUR GOV HAS BEEN PARTIALLY IN THE OIL BUSINESS SINCE TITUSVILLE PENN
2:05 PM [BWM] OKIE OIL MAN [dinarnow] OKIE OIL MAN--Considering the influx of American companies now in Iraq, how can we participate in the Iraqi Stock Market (ISX)?
2:06 PM [OKIE OIL MAN] DINARNOW-THRU A HEDGE FUND ON THE BOARD OF TRADE--CONTACT BROKERAGE FIRM FOR PROSPECTUS ON MID EAST FUND'S
2:06 PM [BWM] OKIE OIL MAN [Zin] Okie are we going to be paid with the new Treasury Note backed by gold or the Federal Reserve Note
2:07 PM [OKIE OIL MAN] ZIN=NEITHER--YOU WILL BE PAID WITH DIGITS ON A PIECE OF PAPER ON A DEPOSIT SLIP--YOU THINK YOU ARE GOING TO PHYSICALLY TAKE THE MONEY OUT BY THE TRUCK LOAD'S??--BESIDE THAT THEY ARE A LIMIT YOU CAN REMOVE IN CASH DAILY FROM BANK'S
2:17 PM [OKIE OIL MAN] IF THERE ARE NO MORE QUESTIONS THEN WE SHOULD ALL TAKE TIME TO PLAN--GET YOUR PAPER AND START CONSIDERING WHAT AND IN WHAT ORDER THAT YOU PLAN TO CASH IN--THAT SHOULD KEEP YOU BUSY AND AWAY FROM THE COMPUTER A WHILE--IT IS VERY IMPORTANT AS TO HOW YOU INITIATE THE FIRST STEPS OF YOUR PLAN--AFTER YOU ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THE CHAIN OF EVENTS YOU PLAN TO FOLLOW---THEN GIVE THANKS TO OUR FATHER FOR THE BLESSING---REMEMBER ALL THOSE PROMISES YOU MADE TO GOD???-----KEEP THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2:21 PM [OKIE OIL MAN] I ENJOY JUST KIBBITZING WITH ALL YOU GUYS
7-16-2011 Guru Patriot What's in the Plan - the future of Iraq Project...rest easy, everything is OK. I am excited, more confident than ever it's a done deal, it's real and we are looking at the closing days of these chapters here...it's imminent.
7-16-2011 Guru BGG I...got this text...Warka Bank states (as of Wednesday) the IQD is a tradeable currency. Should have rate Sunday into Monday
7-16-11 Guru Amadden as of today they are all still on track...normally by Tuesday maybe by Wednesday …. I get the calls things have changed...I have never had it go to the day of the predicted day and not had new Intel changing the date, so I am completly stunned
Dinar RV - Watch Meet The Press
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 6:21 PM
MAYBE, MAYBE IT'S FINALLY HAPPENED ...I'll keep watching for further confirmations, but we might end up on pins
and needles until Monday ... and HOPE this time it's not just another false alarm.
Someone has taken a post from Blaino's Planet Dinar chat and put it in Okie's
chat room -- I can't copy and paste these, but ...
Blaino is saying two military contacts have confirmed that indeed, the value
of the IQD is now accomplished and we should see it on the dinar sites as
well as the banks by Monday ...
Someone from PTR forum says she was advised to watch Meet the Press
in the morning ... they're expecting an announcement about Iraq now having
an international tradeable currency.
And Okie has just posted that the latest call he's gotten from Iraq says the
RV occurred last night in Iraq ... to go live and be seen in USA Monday morning.
He says he has confirmed this with THREE separate sources, something he
required before being able to CALL the RV.
He says, YES, according to his sources, this time it's REAL.
[We can only HOPE!!!!]
