12thman said:

12thman said:

I just got off the phone with a very excited High Roller. Its Go Time people so be ready for the Okie Post. My close friend has also called me and said that they have a contact within the gov that will call them right when it happens. Now that the hold ups from the 1st are delt with, we wait for our blessing. Pray that the old money families of the old days dont find ways to cause problems. This has been a issue for some time. They know whats about to happen and they do not wish to loose the power and control.

Neil Keenan, What He Can Do – And How Humanity Can Help Him: A Response to BeWise – from ~Jean Haines by Drak

Neil Keenan, What He Can Do – And How Humanity Can Help Him: A Response to BeWise – from ~Jean Haines by Drake Neil Keenan, What He Can Do – And How Humanity Can Help Him: A Response to BeWise – from ~Jean Posted on April 4, 2013by Jean * BeWise’s response to Neil and Michael appears at the end of this post. . . ~J BeWise, Neil and I have discussed your heartfelt response to both him and Michael, and since he is very busy, he has asked me to respond to you. He has cautioned me that the ideas I suggest here are going to take time to develop. For instance, before anything else can happen, he has already shared that an audit of the Global Accounts must first take place. There are certain countries that are in dire need of help, and at the moment as he sees it, this must come first. Please also understand that my thoughts here are mine alone, that things on the ground could change – and do, often on a daily basis, and yet these thoughts also have his approval: BeWise, if you will permit me, I would like to suggest that your pain as a result of your life as an indigenous person got the better of you, and you expressed it (as anger) at Neil and his work. Please let me offer you some further information and insights to consider that might enlarge your views with which I believe we are largely in agreement. While it may seem I am speaking largely for the United States, I am also speaking for the rest of the planet, if they find it necessary and to choose to adopt these ideas, as well. Neil Keenan at work I’ve gotten to know Neil rather well over these last months, and he knows not only about the plight of the North American indigenous peoples, but also about the attempted annihilation of those in South America, as well. He lived there for many years, did business there and has many good friends there, and as the person who managed ‘The 500th Anniversary of the Western World’, he got to know the ‘real’ history of what has been transpiring over the centuries. Hopefully, you will find you can believe me, or at least trust me, when I say I know on a personal basis how deeply he is committed to fighting not only for the freedom of the indigenous peoples, but for the freedom of everyone on this planet. Neil is not, however, a talker; he is a doer (remember: those who talk don’t know; those who know, don’t talk), and while the doing of this has been very difficult and complex, he hasn’t given up, and he will not give up until he wins. I am in total belief that he will succeed, because unlike many others who have attempted to stop his efforts, he comes from a place of complete integrity and honesty, and the flow of the times, the science of the times – the end of more than one cosmic cycle – is in his favor. The Elders, the Indigenous people of Indonesia, who have been guarding and protecting the Global Accounts for over sixty years, have done Ceremony and have chosen him. They have watched him personally for over thirty years, waiting for his arrival. As an indigenous Elder, I am sure you are aware of the power of Ceremony, as are they. St. Germaine also has been in personal contact with him. In both instances, I had to explain to Neil, who is largely without ego, the deeper meaning of these events. As a successful and respected buinessman, he understands your concept of money, and his efforts to stop the stealing from the Global Accounts and to use them wisely to benefit humanity through humanitarian projects that will put people back to work are based on this understanding. There will be no free-money-rides from him, but he intends to see that good, positive work with fair pay is provided for all sorts of people, pay that will take the pressure off and fear out of our personal and family lives. I am sure there are those who will want to clean up the ocean, sky, and soil and crop degradation. (I, personally, am already using an inexpensive scalar tool that within seconds returns my food energetically to its original, healthy state. What I am saying very clearly here is that we need not be in fear of Monsanto and its minions.) When we are finally free and can begin using free, clean energy, our entire planetary energy system will need to be changed. Those who choose to heal the emotional trauma and damage inflicted by the cabal likely will need support and help. Our children and their education will need to be freed from the cabal’s control. (Hopefully, education will no longer attempt to make our children into automaton cogs in the wheel of corporate slavery, but instead will become more inner-directed than outer-imposed, so early on our children learn exactly what their gifts are, why they are here, and discover quite naturally what their passion is and experience the joy of living it.) Basic human needs like housing and food will need to be provided quickly for everyone on the planet, and most particularly for our children, old people, and those utterly without a place to call home. Our health systems should be changed, and I believe they should begin to reflect a more holstic view of our health issues. At the present time as a result of Duality and the cabal’s control, so many of our problems are seen as ‘isolated’ from one another, when in reality, they are all very much connected, as surely as we as a species are all interconnected. I also hope that as a species we will also begin to enthusiastically assume our rightful cosmic role as the supporters and caretakers of our planet and begin to use our incredible and newly-freed-up creative skills and energies to return our beautiful planet, our Mother, who sustains us, to balance as we support her efforts to move into a higher dimension. Neil has asked me to work with him in all of this, and I have agreed and fully intend to work towards all of these goals. I hope there will be many who choose to join us. Somewhere a long time ago I read that the United Nations had done a study and felt it would take a bit more than six months to clean up the planet. If this timeline is at all valid, it is not such a frightening one; it is very do-able! When we are permitted to used the new technologies that the cabal is keeping from us and if we all pitch in, organize ourselves, and get to work, the process could go rather quickly. We have had free, clean energy available for over 100 years, but it has been kept from us – in order to enslave us. Of course, it is the cabal, whose only goal seems to be to endlessly make money at our expense, that has been doing just that. This will all end. When Neil is successful, he will completely stop the use of fiat money and usury, which is the basis of the Ponzi scheme and the stealing. (It is, if you are not already aware, the single event of which I know that caused Jesus’ rage as he threw the moneychanges out of the temple.) Our work will have ‘real’ value, and the gold, etc. will simply be a reflection of our ‘real’ work efforts. I don’t think the planet is ready to leave ‘money’ behind as a  means of exchange and as a ‘real’ representation of our work – not yet, anyway. Neil’s intention is to create an honest, transparent system, one that the crooks/cabal will be unable to access ever again. I believe he now has the complete means to do all of this, but it is only a matter of the stars lining up properly in order for him to succeed. While he is not naturally a patient man, over the years of his life, he certainly has learned patience, and more importantly, he doesn’t give up. Not many would give several million dollars of their own money and three years out of their lives to do what he is doing. He could easily have won his lawsuit, retrieved his stolen bonds, and walked away, but he saw the possibitlity of using his lawsuit to bring down the criminal banking system in a court of law, and he chose to do that – for all of us. There is not a doubt in my mind,  BeWise, that he will succeed – and that all your dreams for humanity will then become possible. All it will take to fulfill these dreams is humanity’s willingness to pitch in and help do the work to change how we live here. I hope you and many like you, all over the planet, will decide to join in and work with us in our efforts. Love and hugs to you, ~Jean Thanks for both your responses. I am a young man who wants to see true freedom and liberation restored not just for us humans but for our mother earth aswell. I first started on the path of truth in 2002, well truth according to the western mindset. I am just a young man, and have read the link you have provided from the newtommorrow website before. I do not mean to anger anyone or provide any malice intentions. I am merely stating my opinion as i see fit with the information I have come to know since 2002. But before 2002 I had my own knowledge which has been passed down from generation to generation by my family. This knowledge I have obtained is what is sacred to me and is the reason why I say the only true value is the human being. I am a native american of these great lands called the Americas and the reason why I say that the real value is the human being is becuase no amount of gold, diamonds, precious metals, or fiat currencies will ever solve the problems facing not just the human population but our mother earth. The reason I remain skeptical is because my people have been robbed and raped from the greatest genocide in human history which seems to never be mentioned and almost forgotton. When the Europeans first came to our lands, known by America, our lands were raped and our people tortured. WIth the invasion of the Europeans came the ideas of wealth accumulation, private property, and the concept of money. My grandfather and grandmother both taught me that when the Eurpoeans came to our lands, they brought with them a mental disease which ravages the heart and soul of man. The ideas of wealth accumulation, private property, and the concept of money was very foriegn to us because we were taught, from a very early age, that each human beings has the greatest value becuase we have been chosen by mother earth to care and protect her. We were taught that our mother earth provides everything freely, and that the only thing asked in return by mother earth was to care, nuture, and work her lands in order to yeild her fruits. The ideas of owning private property, the waters and fish in the rivers, the air we breath, and the crops our mother earth yields is the problem. This is the luciferian mindset which tricks the mind into believing that one most own these things in order to make a living but I tell you that our mother earth provides everything freely. It is this idea of value, in the form of money, gold, diamonds, precious metals, or any other raw material which our mother earth provides freely, that has enslaved the entire human race. It is the very idea which the Luciferians or cabal use to keep the slavery system going, and is the reason why I say that provding legal monetary solutions will never solve the problems our humanity faces. It is just not our human race that is facing extinction but every single living thing on this beautiful mother earth, aswell as the planet itself. It is the only home we have and using old paradigms, the concept of value or money, will never solve the problems we now face. Money, or the percieved value thought of by current western beliefs is the problem. This is why i say that releasing the World Global settlements, or any other hidden alleged wealth will never solve any problems. How can throwing money at real problems solve anything, this is exactly what the Luciferians do, throw money at a problem in order to solve it. I am grateful that there are people like yourself Mr. Keenan who has the courage to take theses Luciferians head on and it takes great courage which I admire. But we must solve the earths problems with new ways of thinking, and when I say new, it really is not new but the original way of thinking. Which is that the real value is the human life, soul, and spirit that lives on mother earth. The Luciferians know this which is why they created the concept of value through money, currencies, gold, or other raw materials our mother earth provides freely. It is their beliefs which have been inserted into the beliefs of the human population and we are the ones who provide the real value while the Luciferian Cabal suck the life like the parasites they are. I do no resort to name calling just because someone else has a different opinion than my own. Calling me ignorant is really not necessary when the real truth is that the invasion of the Europeans to this great land known as America, which occured 500 years ago was the start of the genocide against the true elders of the mother earth. The Luciferian cabal feared our way of life which is why the genocide occured, we were free people living off the nuturing of our mother earth, and most viewed our way of life as primitive but we lived as one with our mother earth and now, due to this mindset of money and value, it has lead to the darkest period of our mother earth and the human poppulation. The one difference between the OPPT and your case Mr. Keenan is that the OPPT, according to those who call themselves trustees are allegedly working to release ABSOLUTE DATA, this is what humanity needs, disclosure of the ultimate truth because in my eyes this will solve more problems than releasing any World Global Settlements or monetary value. If you yourself Mr Keenan are working on releasing this disclosure of truth then I thank you and wish you success in the liberation of our human family. I will not call you any names, becuase my heritage has also taught me that we are all brothers and sister, even the Luciferian Cabal are our brothers and sisters, yet it is up to humanity to unite in love and those of the old ways, the original ways. Why do we humans need to put value on what our mother earth provides freely, it is the idea of value and money which has caused all these problems and has infected the hearts and souls of all humans. We are the only species on this planet that pays to be born and pays to dies, which is the ultimate slavery, why must I pay to be a slave but this is what has occured ever since humans starting putting value on what mother earth provides freely. In Love and Gratitude, BeWise, Elder of the ancients ways. Drake | April 4, 2013 at 7:33 pm | Categories: News | URL: http://wp.me/p2tRr3-NV

Bicarbonates, Magnesium & Iodine To Prevent & Reverse Diseases

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Sodium Bicarbonate, Magnesium & Iodine To Prevent & Reverse Diseases                          If you’re suffering from cancer, heart disease, skin issues, diabetes or a host of any other ailments this is a great show to listen to. Dr. Mark Sircus is truly a wonderful man doing amazing work. At the heart of his protocols are magnesium, sodium bicarbonate (baking soda) and iodine. Did you know that you can prevent just about all major diseases for just dollars a day using his cutting edge therapies and protocols? He’s on the cutting edge and we love to support people like him                 http://www.extremehealthradio.com/ep-26-dr-mark-sircus-using-sodium-bicarbonate-magnesium-iodine-to-prevent-reverse-diseases-10-24-2012/ Please listen to this interview and pass it on to your friends! Please “Like” it on Facebook and do whatever you can to help spread the message of hope to people! I would be very grateful.  After you listen, comment below and tell us what you think! We discuss the following and so much more: ·       How hemp oil/cannabis can help people heal & how to LEGALLY get some! ·       What specific brands of magnesium, sodium bicarbonate and iodine to use ·       Specific ways to use each of these different substances for your particular situation ·       How a lack of key nutrients is at the cause of diseases ·       A special announcement about his upcoming books and brand new website!   http://drsircus.com/              http://drsircus.com/protocol-components Please listen to this interview and pass it on to your friends! Please “Like” it on Facebook and do whatever you can to help spread the message of hope to people! I would be very grateful.  After you listen, comment below and tell us what you think! We discuss the following and so much more: ·       How hemp oil/cannabis can help people heal & how to LEGALLY get some! ·       What specific brands of magnesium, sodium bicarbonate and iodine to use ·       Specific ways to use each of these different substances for your particular situation ·       How a lack of key nutrients is at the cause of diseases ·       A special announcement about his upcoming books and brand new website!   http://drsircus.com/

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A Note From Mike Quinsey / SaLuSa Messages

A Note From Mike Quinsey / SaLuSa Messages

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Date: Thursday, 4-Apr-2013 23:31:37

Friday, 5 April 2013 A Note From Mike Quinsey Dear Friends, In view of my condition I have decided to stop sending out SaLuSa's messages until I am sure that I have recovered from my illness. I have had a stroke that has affected my memory, and consequently my typing is slow and difficult. When I have fully recovered I hope to commence my messages again, but until then I will continue with my Radio Programs unless I find I am having difficulties. I am hoping that with time I will get back to more like my normal self. Only time will tell what level of progress can be made. Many thanks to all of you for your great support and dedication it has been very much appreciated. You have been wonderful with your dedication I am hoping to be able to contribute to the final return of the Light and its ultimate victory. In Love and Light Mike Quinsey Website: THE GALACTIC FEDERATION BY MIKE QUINSEY http://gfbymikequinsey.blogspot.com/

Obama Claims That “Government Tyranny is Impossible, Because Government is “Us”"

During a recent gun control speech in Colorado, Obama hid behind the mask of collectivism to blur the lines between the ruling class and the general population, saying that the government is “us”.

DENVER, CO: U.S. President Barack Obama preaches gun control during a speech at the Denver Police Academy on April 3, 2013 in Denver, Colorado. (Photo by Doug Pensinger/Getty Images)

By JG Vibes
Intellihub.com
April 5, 2013
The thing that makes Obama so frightening to people who care about freedom isn’t necessarily the things he writes down on paper.  Lets face it, every politician to ever hold office, regardless of their intentions or their party affiliation, has done nothing but kick the can of tyranny down the road for the next guy to further exploit.
However, the thing that is extra creepy about Obama is that he is an extremely skilled propagandist.  He is constantly putting forward collectivist rhetoric, which is obviously crafted to deceive and diminish the rights and importance of the individual in society.  In nearly every speech you can hear the sophistry, and sometimes he even comes out and lays down his propaganda in plain English, as he did recently in Colorado.
Breitbart reported that:
“In his big pitch in Colorado on Wednesday for further gun control, President Obama made an astonishing statement about gun rights advocates’ fears of governmental gun seizures. He said that such worries would just feed “into fears about government. You hear some of these folks: ‘I need a gun to protect myself from the government. We can’t do background checks because the government’s going to come take my guns away.’ The government’s us. These officials are elected by you … I am constrained as they are constrained by the system that our founders put in place.”
So according to Obama, government tyranny is impossible because the government is “us”?  The last time that I checked, I wasn’t allowed to tax my neighbors, or interrupt their ride to work, search their car and kidnap them because I found something that I didn’t like.  The last time i checked there are various ruling classes on this planet that are separated from their subjects by organizations known as governments, like the one that Obama is currently representing.
As Murray Rothbard explained decades ago in “Anatomy of the State:
With the rise of democracy, the identification of the State with society has been redoubled, until it is common to hear sentiments expressed which violate virtually every tenet of reason and common sense such as, “we are the government.” The useful collective term “we” has enabled an ideological camouflage to be thrown over the reality of political life. If “we are the government,” then anything a government does to an individual is not only just and untyrannical but also “voluntary” on the part of the individual concerned. If the government has incurred a huge public debt which must be paid by taxing one group for the benefit of another, this reality of burden is obscured by saying that “we owe it to ourselves”; if the government conscripts a man, or throws him into jail for dissident opinion, then he is “doing it to himself” and, therefore, nothing untoward has occurred. Under this reasoning, any Jews murdered by the Nazi government were not murdered; instead, they must have “committed suicide,” since they were the government (which was democratically chosen), and, therefore, anything the government did to them was voluntary on their part. One would not think it necessary to belabor this point, and yet the overwhelming bulk of the people hold this fallacy to a greater or lesser degree.
We must, therefore, emphasize that “we” are not the government; the government is not “us.” The government does not in any accurate sense “represent” the majority of the people.[1] But, even if it did, even if 70 percent of the people decided to murder the remaining 30 percent, this would still be murder and would not be voluntary suicide on the part of the slaughtered minority.[2] No organicist metaphor, no irrelevant bromide that “we are all part of one another,” must be permitted to obscure this basic fact.
If, then, the State is not “us,” if it is not “the human family” getting together to decide mutual problems, if it is not a lodge meeting or country club, wha of collectivism is the mindset that allows tyrants to wage war. If each individual on this earth was held accountable for their own personal actions then the full-scale war that we see today would never even materialize to begin with. If individuals were actually seen as who they were instead of what group they belonged to, there would not be millions of lives sacrificed for the sake of hunting downnd services and by the peaceful and voluntary sale of these goods and services to others, the State obtains its revenue by the use of compulsion; that is, by the use and the threat of the jailhouse and the bayonet.[3] Having used force and violence to obtain its revenue, the State generally goes on to regulate and dictate the other actions of its individual subjects. One would think that simple observation of all States through history and over the globe would be proof enough of this assertion; but the miasma of myth has lain so long over State activity that elaboration is necessary.
What Obama attempted to do in his most recent speech, and what he attempts to do often, is to blur the lines between the ruling class and the general population by using the scam of collectivism.
This idea of collectivism is the mindset that allows tyrants to wage war. If each individual on this earth was held accountable for their own personal actions then the full-scale war that we see today would never even materialize to begin with. If individuals were actually seen as who they were instead of what group they belonged to, there would not be millions of lives sacrificed for the sake of hunting down a few among them who were accused of some real or fabricated transgression.
Likewise, it is this mentality that is the root of all the bigotry that separates humanity. If all of the people on the earth were seen as individuals then racism, sexism, classism and other forms of discrimination would cease to exist and everyone would be responsible for their own actions.
The rhetoric behind collectivism sounds great at face value, but the real-life consequences of this worldview tell a very different story. It may be natural for humans to form social groups, but we must recognize that those groups are all filled with unique individuals who should not be forced to compromise any of their freedom for the sake of a group or authority figure.
Respecting the rights and needs of individuals is actually a much more caring way of looking at things, than grouping people into categories and expecting them to forfeit their personal sovereignty to satisfy the whims of other human beings.
When I speak of collectivist societies I am not only speaking of Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia, who are among the most obvious collectivized regimes in recent history. I am actually pointing out that collectivism is a trait that all modern governments share, since all governments ask the people living under their control to sacrifice their individual rights for the sake of “the country”.
This is where we can start to see the problem, because “the country” is neversacrifice the individual’s rign that geographic area that consider themselves to be “the country”. They are not the people who make the decisions that “the country” is judged by, nor are they the people who reap the benefits of “the country’s” policies.
Even worse, is the fact that when a few people who claim to “represent” or “lead” a collective group of individuals commit some sort of heinous human rights violation, it is not just those few people who will ultimately be held accountable, it is the whole collective that they are apparently acting on behalf of.
Protecting the rights of the individual from the whims of the “group” (or people claiming leadership of that group), is one of the important steps that we must take to ensure that every individual has the same rights and that those rights will not be violated under any circumstances.
Also I want to be clear that I’m not suggesting that people should shut themselves off from society; that has nothing to do with any of this. It is a great thing for people to form communities, trade and find mutually beneficial ways of interacting. What is not a great thing, is forcing individuals to conform to a collective group or to sacrifice the individual’s rights for any reason.
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http://intellihub.com/2013/04/05/obamas-open-collectivism-government-tyranny-is-impossible-because-government-is-us/

Dinar Intel Rumors

04/04/2013

gamtnman33 :  I just heard from a friend of mine, whose brother is on CL’s staff at the IMF, that they are really pushing for Iraq to RV their currency because they are very worried about the recent BRICS conference and their attempt to take over the world monetary system, leaving the IMF out in the cold. Here’s exactly what he said: “She has told Iraq to get this done ASAP”. Apparently, the BRICS thing really has the current PTB very concerned about losing their power. This guy is the one who got me involved 2 years ago, and this is the first time he’s been really excited about it!   So hang on, everyone! We should see something soon!

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BankerGuy said:  I know for a fact that the above rate is incorrect!!! The rate is $3.42, and I'm looking at it on my screen now. This is to go at any minute, hopefully any second. This number as been on my screen for 3 days, no change or movement. Lets all hope this is the end. I will monitor this throughout the day and provide updates. This is the 1st time it has ever shown up on my banking screen, that I have seen.

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12:42 AM [.~dinarmama7] Bulldog75 is going to do a quick Q & A on Post CE.

12:42 AM [georgeaa] Bulldog75 Do you have some good news for us?

12:42 AM [.~dinarmama7] One question at a time please and wait for "NEXT"

12:42 AM [.~Bulldog75] .~dinarmama7 THANKS.HI EVERYONE. LETS DO A QUICK Q AND A FOR ONLY "POST CE SITUATIONS" IF I CAN BE OF HELP TO ANY OF YOU. QUESTIONS SHOULD BE SHORT AND SWEET.

12:43 AM [~KiniBop] Are You Ready For A Miracle http://tinyurl.com/3df79jp Patti LaBelle

12:43 AM [wwwgregn21] .~Bulldog75 at what dollar amount would you say definitely get a trust?

12:44 AM [..SpiritualWarrior] WE'LL BE MOVING THE LITTLE HAND HALF A NOTCH... ROOM WILL REMAIN OPEN EXTRA 30 MINUTES FOR BULLDGO TIME... BLUEBELL FOR EVERYONE!!

12:44 AM [wedidyoucan] Should we put money in many different banks and accounts?

12:44 AM [goodtree] bulldog75 when is best time to start trusts? please
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12:44 AM [CigarDan] I am hoping that OOM & Friends will still be here...comments?

12:45 AM [wennbarb] .~Bulldog75 any idea how long we will have to exchange? Howdy Bulldog...I'm going to miss you !

12:45 AM [misssue7] Bulldog, will we still need a non interest bearing account?

12:47 AM [Spirit12] Is multi-currency account still a good option to consider

12:47 AM [mlcmudd] .~Bulldog75 : What percentage do you feel we can keep outside of multi-currency?

12:47 AM [BlueLion] Bulldog...pertaining to FX diversity...any preference in institutions..Multi Currency Accounts ?

12:48 AM [georgeaa] .~Bulldog75 so we have apointment with bank--should we put the money in a interest barring acount to cover taxes?

12:48 AM [graci] Do we still buy some gold and silver?

12:48 AM [..SpiritualWarrior] YA'LL SLOW DOWN... QUESTIONS ONLY, AND GIVE HIM A CHANCE TO ANSWER

12:49 AM [.~Bulldog75] SORRY. COMPUTER BLINKED

12:50 AM [ehmjr] .~Bulldog75 any advice on how to choose professionals (attorneys, cpa) I plan to talk to these professionals, before I do anything if there is no time constraints.

12:51 AM [1WolfHound] .~Bulldog75 ~ Does Wells Fargo Have A Bark-Code To Release Our Money  

12:51 AM [.~Bulldog75] OK . AM BACK. HAD SCREEN FREEZE.

12:51 AM [.~Bulldog75] SORRY   REPEAT QUESTIONS PLS   THANKS

12:52 AM [CigarDan] Post CE...plans for OOM & Friends. Continue or terminate?

12:52 AM [wwwgregn21] .~Bulldog75 at what dollar amount would you say definitely get a trust?

12:52 AM [.~Bulldog75] ANSWER: PROB 30 DAY CE ON MOST CURRENCIES AT GOOD RATE. NO GUARANTEES THOUGH.

12:52 AM [mlcmudd] .~Bulldog75 : What percentage do you feel we can keep outside of multi-currency?

12:52 AM [misssue7] Do we still need a non interest bearing account?

12:52 AM [goodtree] bulldog75 when is best time to get trusts started?

12:53 AM [.~Bulldog75] wwwgregn21 ; ANSWER: IMHO, PROB OVER 3 MILLION

12:53 AM [Big Ed] misssue7 non existant now

12:53 AM [MaeBelle] What are you top five currencies to invest in post CE?

12:54 AM [.~Bulldog75] mlcmudd : ANSWER; IMHO : 10-20 USA; OTHER FIVE CURRENCIES GO 80%: AUSSIE, CANADIAN, HONG KONG, YUAN, RUPEE ETC.

12:54 AM [Satrap1] .~Bulldog75 Is there a trust you recomend?

12:54 AM [Robertprofessor] I plan to put 50% of my funds in Aussie, Canadian, Hong Kong, Rupee and Yuan. I want to do that at the CE, if possible. Do I exchange dinar and dong directly into these other five or first exchange into USD and then into these five? Does it matter?

12:54 AM [bamatom] .~Bulldog75 Do you know if we get more than one chance t the high rate with the appt? That is if we exchange a small amount prior to our appt will that mess with our rate atthe appt?

12:54 AM [.~Bulldog75] misssue7 : ANSWER YES I WOULD

12:54 AM [.gypsymama] Please slow down and wait for hm to answer a question before aking the next one, we are trying to capture

12:54 AM [.~Bulldog75] goodtree : ANSWER: IMMEDIATELY NOW IF U HAVE CASH.

12:54 AM [misssue7] Thank you

12:54 AM [BlueLion] Bulldog, concerning FX currency MCA accounts...any suggestions which institutions to avoid?

12:55 AM [.~Bulldog75] MaeBelle : ANSWER; JUST LISTED 5 CURRENCIES. TY.

12:55 AM [1WolfHound] ~Bulldog75 ~ Does Wells Fargo Have A Bark-Code To Release Our Money   ;)

12:55 AM [.gypsymama] Wait for him to catch up, and I say next

12:55 AM [.~Bulldog75] Satrap1 : THERE ARE SEVERAL TRUSTS I RECOMMEND BUT WILL TELL YOU: I HAVE 3 OF THEM. SPENDTHRIFT IS ONE AND BUSINESS TRUST IS THE OTHER. TY.

12:57 AM [.~Bulldog75] Robertprofessor : ANSWER; YES IT DOES MATTER. IMHO,KEEP DONG AND DINAR INTO TWO SEPARATE ACCOUNTS. EXCHANGE DONG / DINAR INTO FOREIGN FUNDS DIRECT. TY.

12:57 AM [Robertprofessor] .~Bulldog75 That's what I will do. ty

12:57 AM [.~Bulldog75] bamatom ; ANSWER: GET WHAT YOU CAN GET HIGH AND NOW. VOLATILE SITUATION IMHO.

12:57 AM [COWBOY4LIF3] .~Bulldog75 When going to the bank, do you recommend taking your own vehicle or obtaining a rental? Thank you!

12:58 AM [.~Bulldog75] BlueLion : ANSWER: IMHO; STAY AWAY FROM MOST EXCEPT WELLS.

12:58 AM [.~Bulldog75] TY

12:59 AM [.~Bulldog75] COWBOY4LIF3 : RENTAL

12:59 AM [COWBOY4LIF3] .~Bulldog75 Thank you!

1:00 AM [.~Bulldog75] mlcmudd : MOST STATES WILL. STAY TUNED 

1:00 AM [.~Bulldog75] ehmjr ; ANSWER; GREAT QUESTION. CPA AND ATTORNEY SHOULD BE IN BUSINESS, IMHO, FOR AT LEAST 10 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN THEIR FIELD. TY.

1:00 AM [ablessing] Can we directly exchange our IQD into gold and silver without exchanging first to dollars?

1:01 AM [.gypsymama] ablessing I DID NOT SAY NEXT

1:01 AM [.~Bulldog75] bamatom : ANSWER: TAKE THE APPTMENT TIME TO CASH IN FOR BEST RATE. THANKS.

1:02 AM [.~Bulldog75] ablessing ; ANSWER: GOOD QUESTION: THAT IS CRITICAL FOR THE BANKS , CREDIT UNIONS TO ANSWER. THEY EACH HAVE THEIR OWN POLICIES.

1:02 AM [.gypsymama] NEXT

1:02 AM [1WolfHound] .~Bulldog75 ~ What do you think about these Pre-Loaded Smart Cards  

1:03 AM [.~Bulldog75] 1WolfHound ; ANSWER: CHOSEN AS A 'LESS LIABLE AND EASIER MEANS' UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES. LETS SEE HOW THEY WORK SHORTLY.    THANKS;

1:03 AM [.gypsymama] NEXT

1:03 AM [gg7878] When we call for appointment and want to go back to back with our friends or family to CE, do we sit in the same place and pass the phone to each other or can one person make multiple appointments for other dinar holders who want to go back to back?

1:03 AM [.~Bulldog75] gg7878 : IMHO, ONLY THE PERSON CALLING CAN MAKE THE APPTMENT FOR HIMSELF AND SPOUSE. IMHO.

1:04 AM [.gypsymama] NEXT

1:04 AM [SkinneyLizard] Do you recommend hard currencies?

1:05 AM [.~Bulldog75] SkinneyLizard ANSWER: IMHO, I WOULD POSSESS SOME GOLD AND SILVER COINS VERY QUICKLY AS SILV AND GOLD WILL RISE QUICKLY. GET ONLY: SILVER DOLLARS, DIMES, QUARTERS AND HALVES. SOME CULLS OK. GOLD ONLY GET ONE OUNCE PANDAS AND KUGERRANDS , IMHO. GET SAFE FOR YOUR HOME AND BOLT TO THE FLOOR.

1:05 AM [.gypsymama] NEXT

1:05 AM [ablessing] If we have not talked to a financial advisor or private banker how will we contact or be contacted for exchange?

1:06 AM [dinarfaithful] Do you think the banks will be secure after the RV and will we have to worry about what happened in Cypress happening here?

1:06 AM [wwwgregn21] .~Bulldog75 with an irrevokable trust can you pay yourself a salary out of the trust? should we put all money into the trust?

1:06 AM [.~Bulldog75] ablessing ANSWER: MAKE SURE YOU ARE REGISTERED WITH "DINAR RECAPS" TO GET CODE AND TOLL FREE # TO MAKE APPTMENTS. TY.

1:07 AM [.~Bulldog75] dinarfaithful : YOU ARE SAFE WITH WELLS, IMHO. THEY ARE IN THE TOP 50 BANKS OF THE WORLD AS FAR AS RATINGS ARE CONCERNED.    THANKS.

1:08 AM [.gypsymama] NEXT

1:08 AM [.~Bulldog75] wwwgregn21 : YES, PAYING SALARIES OUT OF TRUST TO YOU AND FAMILY ARE FINE, IMHO. SEEK PROF ADVICE WITH TAX/ATTORNEY, CPA. THANKS.

1:08 AM [.~Bulldog75] wwwgregn21 ANSWER: ALSO , 90% OF MY CE WILL GO INTO TRUSTS.

1:08 AM [.gypsymama] NEXT

:09 AM [weathernut] Buuldog75 I have so many dinar friends, who are afraid to quit their jobs, because of medical insurance. Will the WF have med ins. available to us when we exchange?

1:10 AM [captiankirk] wow...still open !!!!

1:10 AM [.~Bulldog75] weathernut ANSWER: ON INSURANCE, GET PRIVATE INSURANCE IMHO, FROM INS CO: IE: BLUE CROSS BLUE SHIELD, HARTFORD, OR CIGNA, ETC. THERE ARE GOOD PRIVATE POLLICIES. DO IT QUICKLY. RULES VARY FROM STATE TO STATE.

1:10 AM [.gypsymama] NEXT

1:10 AM [leaning on] Your thoughts on off shore accounts? TY

1:10 AM [Ween1] Oops hi bulldog75 sorry love ya. Would you cash out all and then do what is needed to protect our funds?

1:10 AM [.gypsymama] STOP

1:11 AM [benny] R we open still

1:11 AM [.~Bulldog75] leaning on : ANSWER: NO GAMBLING ON OFFSHORE ACCOUNTS. EYES WILL BE WATCHING EVERYWHERE. PLAY SAFE. RENDER UNTO CAESAR WHAT IS CAESAR'S.

1:13 AM [.~Bulldog75] Ween1 ANSWER: YES, CASH OUT ALL. AND GET OUT QUICKLY. VOLATILE SITUATION. NO GUARANTEES. STAY LIQUID . NO INVESTING INTO ANYTHING EXCEPT: HOMES, RENTALS, GOLD, SILVER, . MARKETS WILL WOBBLE 10-40% DEPENDING ON CATAGORY. PLAY SAFE.

1:13 AM [.gypsymama] NEXT

1:13 AM [mlcmudd] .~Bulldog75 : Do you have any insite with regard to possible taxation?

1:13 AM [mikeu48] Thoughts on 11%tax on exchange at bank.

1:13 AM [dinarfaithful] Do you think the Government will eventually try to confiscate your precious metals?

1:13 AM [.gypsymama] STOP

1:13 AM [.~Bulldog75] Ween1 : AND OF COURSE YOUR FOREIGN CURRENCIES THAT STAY IN YOUR PORTFOLIIO, IMHO. (LISTED ABOVE)

1:14 AM [Ween1] TY Doll

1:14 AM [.~Bulldog75] mlcmudd ANSWER: GOOD QUESTION. PROB $$$$$ WILL BE PRETAXED AND YOU WILL NOT HAVE TO PAY. THIS WAITS TO BE SEEN. NO GUARANTEES YET. THANKS.

1:14 AM [weathernut] .~Bulldog75 Will WF allow us to buy all these assets right away, or will they frown on us moving our money that quickly?

1:15 AM [.~Bulldog75] mikeu48 : ANSWER: PROB NO TAX AT BANK. TAKEN OFF TOP THRU AGREEMENTS WITH UST, /BANKS/ IRS.

1:16 AM [.~Bulldog75] dinarfaithful : ANSWER: KEEP METALS (GOLD / SILVER COINS IN HOME SAFE) NON CONFISCATABLE. KEEP 80-90% IN FOREIGN CURRENCIES OF : YUAN, CANADIAN, AUSSIE, HONG KONG, RUPEE IN WF ACCOUNTS, IMHO.

1:17 AM [.~Bulldog75] weathernut ANSWER; ITS YOUR MONEY AND YOU PLAY YOUR TUNE. BANKS MAY GIVE YOU BETTER RATES: IE: IF YOU KEEP 50% IN THEIR BANK FOR ONE YEAR. THEY WILL PLAY YOUR TUNE. STAY FIRM AND GET BEST DEAL.

1:17 AM [.gypsymama] NEXT

1:17 AM [mikeu48] I meant 11% taken IRS at time of exchange.

1:17 AM [Moni831] .~Bulldog75 I have a house full we have a question Whats the purpose of diversifing into foreign currencies

:17 AM [wmt62] Can we buY GOLD and silver at WF

1:17 AM [.gypsymama] STOP

1:18 AM [.~Bulldog75] mikeu48 ANSWER: PROB U WILL NOT BE TAXED ON YOUR CE!!!!!!!! GOOD NEWS.

1:18 AM [mikeu48] Thank you

1:19 AM [.~Bulldog75] Moni831 : ANSWER; THE USA $ WILL PROB DE-VALUE DRAMATICALLY DUE TO : OTHER AGREEMENTS AND NEW BANKS : IE: LIKE "BRICS" NEW BANKS AND INTRA-COUNTRY AGREEMENTS NOW LIKE : CHINA AND AUSSIE ; AND CHINA AND CANADA HAVE THIER OWN EXCHANGE AGREEMENTS. THEY ARE CUTTING OUT THE US DOLLAR. WATCH OUT AND BE CAREFUL PLEASE.

:20 AM [.~Bulldog75] I KNOW THAT ONE IS HARD TO SWALLOW FOLKS.

1:20 AM [CigarDan] aren't all these foreign currencies you recommend also FIAT currencies?

1:20 AM [BlueLion] I'm in the Bob Uker section...Hotdogs, Popcorn, Peanuts..galore.. 7th Inning stretch, Yankees down by 3... not gonna leave the game now.....when is the Fat Lady...gonna sing?

1:21 AM [Moni831] .~Bulldog75 thank you we all say thank from our home. It sure is scary stuff.

1:21 AM [.~Bulldog75] ANSWER: TO ABOVE. WHEN YOU HAVE TO SWALLOW A FROG; TAKE THE BIGGEST ONE FIRST. UNDERSTAND THE USA DOLLAR MAY TANK DRAMATICALLY. STAY IN THE FIVE FOREIGN CURRENCIES, IMHO. AND GOLD /SILVER COINS.

1:22 AM [.~Bulldog75] CigarDan : THAT WAS FOR CigarDan ANSWER. STAY OUT OF SILVER / GOLD CERTIFICATES.

1:22 AM [.gypsymama] BlueLion HE IS ONLY TAKING POST CE QUESTIONS,

1:22 AM [.~Bulldog75] BlueLion ANSWER; SHE IS ON STAGE NOW.

1:23 AM [.gypsymama] NEXT

1:23 AM [txblondie] We are planning on taking account & lawyer with us to the C/E can we do the foreign currency investments at that time with WF, we dont have trust set up yet or will we be safe doing a few days later?.

1:23 AM [kybo] .~Bulldog75 do we put our newly purchased foreign currency into our trusts like the five you mentioned?

1:23 AM [.gypsymama] STOP

1:23 AM [CigarDan] sorry...I was not asking about silver gold certivicates...I was asking about central bank controlled fiat currencies...

1:24 AM [.~Bulldog75] txblondie ; ANSWER; OK GOOD TAKE ATTORNEY, CPA WITH YOU IF THEY THE BANK WILL ALLOW AND PROB SO YES. IMHO, TRANSFER INTO FOREIGN CURRENCY TO GET BEST RATE. LET IT STAY TIL RECEIVE DIRECTIONS FROM PROFESSIONAL ADVISERS: ATTORNEY OR CPAS. BEST REGARDS.

1:25 AM [.gypsymama] 6 MINS TO CLOSING, NO MORE QUESTIONS, LET HIM ANSWER THE ONES ON BOARD

1:25 AM [.~Bulldog75] kybo : IRREVOCABLE TRUSTS YES. SEEK PRO ADVICE WHICH ONES. i HAVE : SPENDTHIRFT AND A BUSINESS TRUST.

1:26 AM [.~Bulldog75] CigarDan : PAPER IS FIAT. HARD ASSETS ARE GOLD SILVER METALS ORIENTED. I LIKE HOMES, AND LAND, FARMS.

1:27 AM [.gypsymama] .~Bulldog75 THANKS AND GOOD BL1:26 AM [.~Bulldog75] CigarDan : PAPER IS FIAT. HARD ASSETS ARE GOLD SILVER METALS ORIENTED. I LIKE HOMES, AND LAND, FARMS.

1:27 AM [.gypsymama] .~Bulldog75 THANKS AND GOOD BLESSED REST BROTHER

1:27 AM [CigarDan] .~Bulldog75 i agree but you are recommending foreign currencies....that are fiat based, are you not?

1:27 AM [ablessing] Thank you so much Bulldog75

1:27 AM [.~Bulldog75] I WILL BE BACK TOMORROW. GET A GOOD NIGHTS REST. I LOVE YOU ALL. AMEN.

1:27 AM [.gypsymama] gOOD bLESSED NIGHT TO ALL

1:27 AM [~KiniBop]    [11:26:25 PM] Kini: CLOSING PRAYER 4/4/20

name of your Son Christ Jesus, our WONDERFUL KING, Amen and AMEN!!

1:27 AM [wmt62] Thank you !!!

1:27 AM [COWBOY4LIF3] .~Bulldog75 Thank you for your knowledge Sir!!!

1:27 AM [Robertprofessor] Thank you, Bulldog75. You have been one of my heroes in dinarland.

1:27 AM [littlewolf] GOD BLESS YOU .~Bulldog75

1:28 AM [1166-1/2] ~KiniBop Amen

1:28 AM [grandpa10] .~Bulldog75 Thanks good nite and God bless

1:28 AM [kajundinar58] .~Bulldog        

1:28 AM [randaree] Nity nite bulldog75

1:28 AM [.~Bulldog75] THIS INFORMATION IS FOR ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY. SEEK PROFESSIONAL ADVICE IN ALL DECISIONS.

1:28 AM [..SpiritualWarrior] Amen! Thanks Blinkster!

1:28 AM [1166-1/2] .~Bulldog75 thank you sir

1:28 AM [jackinback] night to all.

1:28 AM [_Visionary1] .~Bulldog75    xoxo

1:28 AM [~KiniBop] .~Bulldog75 .~Bulldog75 Thank you for answering our questions!!!! Have a Blessed Evening!!!!

1:28 AM [.gypsymama] AMEN

1:28 AM [blessingsabundant] .~Bulldog75 God bless!

1:28 AM [.schooler] .~Bulldog75 Amen to you Blessings!

1:28 AM [littlewolf] Thank You MODS for everything and Good Night, GOD Bless you all..

1:28 AM [Ween1] We love you and all the Mods and Okie hugs and good night everyone g

1:28 AM [txblondie] .~Bulldog75 Thank you so much.. you are Heaven Sent, God Bless You

:28 AM [Moni831] Blinkster Amen

1:29 AM [Ween1] God Bless

1:29 AM [coffeeluver] .~Bulldog75 Bless you for your kindness and patience this evening!

1:29 AM [kybo] .~Bulldog75 good night thank you for advice I already have business trust plus working on irrevocable trust now partial completed

1:29 AM [Ween1] Amen

1:29 AM [CigarDan] .~Bulldog75 yuan, canadian, aussie, hong kong, ruppe... these are hard currency based??? Not fiat?

1:29 AM [tooldog48] .~Bulldog75 thanks

1:29 AM [~KiniBop] Good Night OOM Family, Sweet Blessed Rest in Abba’s Arms!!!! ~*~ Now … May the love of God be above you to overshadow you, beneath you to uphold you, before you to guide you, behind you to protect you, close beside you and within you to make you able for all things, and to reward your faithfulness with the joy and peace which the world cannot give -- neither can it take away. Through Jesus Christ, our Lord, to whom be glory now and evermore. Amen.

1:29 AM [.~Bulldog75] YOU ARE LOVED, BLESSED AND HIGHLY FAVORED. OUR MANNA COMES FORTH. LOVE AND BLESSINGS. BE A LIGHT UNTO THE WORLD. BE ALL YOU CAN BE. AMEN.

1:29 AM [littlewolf] Love YOU OKIE BE BLESS

1:29 AM [jubilee486] Good blessed nite everyone. Sweet sleep   

1:29 AM [ggirl] thank you i learned so much just reading and watching

1:29 AM [Lady Meme] goodnight everyone

1:29 AM [Rwethereyet] .~Bulldog75 Thank you.. and May God Bless you.! Amen!!

1:29 AM [COWBOY4LIF3] .~Bulldog75 Amen!

1:29 AM [Blondiegal] Thank you all.. Bless you

1:29 AM [_Visionary1] .~Bulldog75        

1:29 AM [littlewolf] .~Bulldog75 amen  

1:29 AM [1166-1/2] .~Bulldog75 Amen

1:29 AM [Longhornhusky] .~Bulldog75 thank you for your great insight! God Bless

1:29 AM [.schooler] .~Bulldog75 Good Night

1:29 AM [~KiniBop] The Lord Bless You and Keep You http://tinyurl.com/44vfbtu arr. John Rutter

1:29 AM [.~Bulldog75] JEREMIAH 33:3

1:29 AM [Moni831] .~Bulldog75 Thanks again GBN see you tomorrow

1:29 AM [Ween1] Amen

1:30 AM [destiny] .~Bulldog75 Amen!!  

1:30 AM [littlewolf] .~Bulldog75  

1:30 AM [~KiniBop] Dona Nobis Pacem (Peace on Earth) http://tinyurl.com/cvdq39t Lisbeth Scott

1:30 AM [Moni831] amen

1:30 AM [.~Bulldog75] GOD ANSWERS QUESTIONS AND PRAYERS.

1:30 AM [jubilee486] Bulldog. Amen

1:30 AM [kybo] good night mrs calabash wherever you are che che che che

1:30 AM [Moni831] Amen Amen


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1947 Maury Island UFO Incident

You've Heard of Roswell but What About The 'Maury Island' Incident?

Posted By: Jordon [Send E-Mail]
Date: Thursday, 4-Apr-2013 11:11:07

. 1947 Maury Island UFO Incident The mysteries behind many UFO sightings may never be explained, but what happened over Puget Sound on June 21, 1947 is a mystery that's getting new life in a film. It's a complex story with many facets, but it that can be summarized like this: At 2 p.m., Harold Dahl was on a fishing boat salvaging logs with his young son when he said he saw six flying discs appear above him over the water. One of the donut-shaped discs appeared to be in trouble and dropped what appeared to be tons of a hot molten substance in the water and the beach. As the story goes, the heat and debris killed his dog and burned his son. Days later he was visited by a mysterious "man in black," who told him not to talk about what he saw. He was then visited by two Air Force investigators who were on a classified mission to see him and gather evidence. On the investigators' return to a California airbase, the B-25 they were piloting crashed, killing both of them and destroying whatever evidence they were carrying. The FBI closed the case without any resolution. It's known as the Maury Island Incident. http://youtu.be/bUT3fHXzOSY ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1947 Maury Island UFO Incident (film starts at 1:24) http://youtu.be/E1h7GcFUmVo http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=273295

Sean David Morton interviews Andrew D. Basiago Gets Answers to What will Happen from Now to 2016

Sean David Morton interviews Andrew D. Basiago Gets Answers to What will Happen from Now to 2016

Posted By: CapnGriff
Date: Thursday, 4-Apr-2013 11:19:29

Having heard other interviews with Andrew Basiago, I have to hand it to Sean David for pressing Basiago for concrete answers about the technology and various differences between several technologies he was introduced to and used going back to the 1960s. Yes, the 1960s! The entire interview is engrossing and engaging. If you are looking for future predictions about our near to intermediate future, that portion is the last 20 minutes of the show beginning at the 1:00:00 time mark. During this time span he mentions at what point he witnessed the Supreme Court under 150 feet of brackish water. Which makes me wonder is what he saw, the Coming Global Coastal Event? El Hierro collapse? One is the other? He (Basiago)and Jesse Ventura running for president in 2016 and how that was seen in the time travels or told to him by the CIA who had time travel knowledge is discussed. And finally there is a short discussion on where "We the People" are going in our resistance to present oppressive gov't. For me I was at last to get a better image in my mind of where all that we have experienced like the NDAA, drone legislation etc. is going and how it will end. It seems things all work out for us the people in the end as at the last minute Law Enforcement Officers finally wake up and make the difference. If you have never listened to Andrew Basiago think of this interview as a must. If you are one that believes time travel is impossible, think again. It's all told and explained here. Worth every minute of your time. You will either learn or be entertained based on your internal beliefs.   http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=273299

Leaked Bombshell! Secret Offshore Tax Haven Details Exposed!

Leaked Bombshell! Secret Offshore Tax Haven Details Exposed!

Posted By: Jordon [Send E-Mail]
Date: Thursday, 4-Apr-2013 06:14:24

. Financial Industry Leak Exposes The Rich Who Hide Money Overseas Millions of internal records have leaked from Britain's offshore financial industry, exposing for the first time the identities of thousands of holders of anonymous wealth from around the world, from presidents to plutocrats, the daughter of a notorious dictator and a British millionaire accused of concealing assets from his ex-wife. The leak of 2m emails and other documents, mainly from the offshore haven of the British Virgin Islands (BVI), has the potential to cause a seismic shock worldwide to the booming offshore trade, with a former chief economist at McKinsey estimating that wealthy individuals may have as much as $32tn (£21tn) stashed in overseas havens. In France, Jean-Jacques Augier, President François Hollande's campaign co-treasurer and close friend, has been forced to publicly identify his Chinese business partner. It emerges as Hollande is mired in financial scandal because his former budget minister concealed a Swiss bank account for 20 years and repeatedly lied about it. In Mongolia, the country's former finance minister and deputy speaker of its parliament says he may have to resign from politics as a result of this investigation. But the two can now be named for the first time because of their use of companies in offshore havens, particularly in the British Virgin Islands, where owners' identities normally remain secret. The names have been unearthed in a novel project by the Washington-based International Consortium of Investigative Journalists [ICIJ], in collaboration with the Guardian and other international media, who are jointly publishing their research results this week. The naming project may be extremely damaging for confidence among the world's wealthiest people, no longer certain that the size of their fortunes remains hidden from governments and from their neighbours. BVI's clients include Scot Young, a millionaire associate of deceased oligarch Boris Berezovsky. Dundee-born Young is in jail for contempt of court for concealing assets from his ex-wife. Young's lawyer, to whom he signed over power of attorney, appears to control interests in a BVI company that owns a potentially lucrative Moscow development with a value estimated at $100m. Another is jailed fraudster Achilleas Kallakis. He used fake BVI companies to obtain a record-breaking £750m in property loans from reckless British and Irish banks. As well as Britons hiding wealth offshore, an extraordinary array of government officials and rich families across the world are identified, from Canada, the US, India, Pakistan, Indonesia, Iran, China, Thailand and former communist states. The data seen by the Guardian shows that their secret companies are based mainly in the British Virgin Islands. Sample offshore owners named in the leaked files include: • Jean-Jacques Augier, François Hollande's 2012 election campaign co-treasurer, launched a Caymans-based distributor in China with a 25% partner in a BVI company. Augier says his partner was Xi Shu, a Chinese businessman. • Mongolia's former finance minister. Bayartsogt Sangajav set up "Legend Plus Capital Ltd" with a Swiss bank account, while he served as finance minister of the impoverished state from 2008 to 2012. He says it was "a mistake" not to declare it, and says "I probably should consider resigning from my position". The president of Azerbaijan and his family. A local construction magnate, Hassan Gozal, controls entities set up in the names of President Ilham Aliyev's two daughters. • The wife of Russia's deputy prime minister. Olga Shuvalova's husband, businessman and politician Igor Shuvalov, has denied allegations of wrongdoing about her offshore interests. •A senator's husband in Canada. Lawyer Tony Merchant deposited more than US$800,000 into an offshore trust. He paid fees in cash and ordered written communication to be "kept to a minimum". • A dictator's child in the Philippines: Maria Imelda Marcos Manotoc, a provincial governor, is the eldest daughter of former President Ferdinand Marcos, notorious for corruption. • Spain's wealthiest art collector, Baroness Carmen Thyssen-Bornemisza, a former beauty queen and widow of a Thyssen steel billionaire, who uses offshore entities to buy pictures. • US: Offshore clients include Denise Rich, ex-wife of notorious oil trader Marc Rich, who was controversially pardoned by President Clinton on tax evasion charges. She put $144m into the Dry Trust, set up in the Cook Islands. It is estimated that more than $20tn acquired by wealthy individuals could lie in offshore accounts. The UK-controlled BVI has been the most successful among the mushrooming secrecy havens that cater for them. The Caribbean micro-state has incorporated more than a million such offshore entities since it began marketing itself worldwide in the 1980s. Owners' true identities are never revealed. More here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/apr/03/offshore-secrets-offshore-tax-haven ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Secret Files Expose Offshore's Global Impact Dozens of journalists sifted through millions of leaked records and thousands of names to produce ICIJ’s investigation into offshore secrecy. More here with video: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/03/offshore-companies-politicians_n_3008426.html http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=273283