Dinar Gurus - 11/21/13

THEIR DISINFO SPIN  IS INCALCUABLE ! 

* Iraqi dinar, recently being said ** / Okie_Oil_Man, Loechin, et al.

Posted By: hobie [Send E-Mail]
Date: Thursday, 21-Nov-2013 17:55:44

Hi, Folks - This is an unusual amount of chatter for a Thursday, indication perhaps of how close to "actual activity" things may be. (?) Found at www.dinarguru.com : ===== 11-21-2013 Intel/Newshound Guru Poppy3 IT MAY FLOAT BUT NEVER FROM WHERE IT IS NOW. IT WILL BE ALLOWED TO FLOAT FROM A MUCH HIGHER RATE THAN THAT...IF AND WHEN IT WOULD BE ALLOWED TO FLOAT THEN IT CAN FLOAT AT 2% EVERY 30 DAYS UP OR DOWN. THE CBI STATED A FLAT RATE WAS WHAT THEY WANTED. THE STARTING RATE HAS BEEN SPECULATIVE BUT IN ALL OFFICIAL DOCUMENTATION I HAVE EVER SEEN IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN $3.22 TO $3.86 AND ALSO BEEN STATED MANY TIME CLOSE TO KUWAIT. TIME WILL TELL. --- 11-21-2013 Intel Guru Loechin OK guys here is what I know...there were groups of people in NY and it caused some real concern. However, I can tell you we are OK and what I'm told is that everything that was held off is OK now. The Banks are nervous and when this happened today, they don't want things to get crazy. Remember the public has no idea about this. [do you think they will be another hold up?] no. --- 11-21-2013 Intel Guru Okie_Oil_Man [800 numbers coming soon?] HOURS AWAY IS THE NEXT OPPORTUNITY FORGOING ANY MORE INCIDENTS...PERHAPS I SHOULD HAVE ELABORATED MORE---THE UST HAS RELEASED THE R/V TO THE BANKS---IT IS IN THEIR DISCRETION AS WHEN TO SAY AS BOB BARKER USED TO SAY----"""COME ON DOWN""". THE UST WILL INFORM DEALERS WHEN TO EITHER STOP SELLING OR RAISE THEIR PRICE TO REFLECT THE NEW VALUE. [post 1 of 2....stay tuned] 11-21-2013 Intel Guru Okie_Oil_Man HERE IS SOMETHING TO KEEP IN YOUR MIND--THE RATE WILL NOT BE A CONSTANT FACTOR--IT WILL VARY SOME NEARLY ON A DAILY BASIS. NOW--SOMETHING ELSE--TRY TO GET YOUR APPOINTMENT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE TO PRECLUDE A DECLINE IN RATE--THERE WILL BE A VARIANCE. [post 2 of 2] --- 11-21-2013 Intel Guru EXOGEN PER DIRECT CONVERSATION...WITH CONTACT...EVERYTHING IN IRAQ IS COMPLETED, AND NOTHING REMAINS BUT THE RELEASE OF THE 1-800 NUMBERS. NEW SECURITY CONCERNS AND SOLUTIONS PRESENTLY BEING DISCUSSED IN REFERENCE TO EVENTS THAT TOOK PLACE IN 2 STATES AT BANKS. --- 11-21-2013 Intel Guru Okie_Oil_Man THIS ALMOST SOUNDS INCOMPREHENSIBLE BUT THE STATED GOAL OF THE UST IS TO TRY TO ACCOMMODATE AND REDEEM AS MANY DINAR HOLDERS AS POSSIBLE IN ONLY 7-10 DAYS. THAT HAS NO EFFECT ON THE 30 DAY DEADLINE BUT THE LONGER YOU WAIT THE RATE WILL START TO DROP. THE APPOINTMENT PLACEMENT CENTERS WILL BE 24 HRS A DAY FOR 30 DAYS OR AT LEAST UNTIL THE CALLS SUBSIDE ENOUGH TO JUSTIFY THERE REDUCED HOURS. [post `1 of 2....stay tuned] 11-21-2013 Intel Guru Okie_Oil_Man [do you believe we will have a shot at appointments on Thursday?] THATS WHAT WERE HOPING AT THIS MOMENT BARRING ANY MORE UNFORESEEN INCIDENTS. [Can you divulge the rate...?] RATE STILL UNBELIEVABLY HIGH AND HAS BEEN CONSTANT FOR SEVERAL DAYS NOW. [do you see this being resolved and all of us who follow the rules at the banks soon?] ABSOLUTELY YES. [post 2 of 2]

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** Iraqi dinar, recently being said ** / Okie_Oil_Man, Loechin, et al.

Posted By: hobie [Send E-Mail]
Date: Thursday, 21-Nov-2013 17:55:44

Hi, Folks - This is an unusual amount of chatter for a Thursday, indication perhaps of how close to "actual activity" things may be. (?) Found at www.dinarguru.com : ===== 11-21-2013 Intel/Newshound Guru Poppy3 IT MAY FLOAT BUT NEVER FROM WHERE IT IS NOW. IT WILL BE ALLOWED TO FLOAT FROM A MUCH HIGHER RATE THAN THAT...IF AND WHEN IT WOULD BE ALLOWED TO FLOAT THEN IT CAN FLOAT AT 2% EVERY 30 DAYS UP OR DOWN. THE CBI STATED A FLAT RATE WAS WHAT THEY WANTED. THE STARTING RATE HAS BEEN SPECULATIVE BUT IN ALL OFFICIAL DOCUMENTATION I HAVE EVER SEEN IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN $3.22 TO $3.86 AND ALSO BEEN STATED MANY TIME CLOSE TO KUWAIT. TIME WILL TELL. --- 11-21-2013 Intel Guru Loechin OK guys here is what I know...there were groups of people in NY and it caused some real concern. However, I can tell you we are OK and what I'm told is that everything that was held off is OK now. The Banks are nervous and when this happened today, they don't want things to get crazy. Remember the public has no idea about this. [do you think they will be another hold up?] no. --- 11-21-2013 Intel Guru Okie_Oil_Man [800 numbers coming soon?] HOURS AWAY IS THE NEXT OPPORTUNITY FORGOING ANY MORE INCIDENTS...PERHAPS I SHOULD HAVE ELABORATED MORE---THE UST HAS RELEASED THE R/V TO THE BANKS---IT IS IN THEIR DISCRETION AS WHEN TO SAY AS BOB BARKER USED TO SAY----"""COME ON DOWN""". THE UST WILL INFORM DEALERS WHEN TO EITHER STOP SELLING OR RAISE THEIR PRICE TO REFLECT THE NEW VALUE. [post 1 of 2....stay tuned] 11-21-2013 Intel Guru Okie_Oil_Man HERE IS SOMETHING TO KEEP IN YOUR MIND--THE RATE WILL NOT BE A CONSTANT FACTOR--IT WILL VARY SOME NEARLY ON A DAILY BASIS. NOW--SOMETHING ELSE--TRY TO GET YOUR APPOINTMENT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE TO PRECLUDE A DECLINE IN RATE--THERE WILL BE A VARIANCE. [post 2 of 2] --- 11-21-2013 Intel Guru EXOGEN PER DIRECT CONVERSATION...WITH CONTACT...EVERYTHING IN IRAQ IS COMPLETED, AND NOTHING REMAINS BUT THE RELEASE OF THE 1-800 NUMBERS. NEW SECURITY CONCERNS AND SOLUTIONS PRESENTLY BEING DISCUSSED IN REFERENCE TO EVENTS THAT TOOK PLACE IN 2 STATES AT BANKS. --- 11-21-2013 Intel Guru Okie_Oil_Man THIS ALMOST SOUNDS INCOMPREHENSIBLE BUT THE STATED GOAL OF THE UST IS TO TRY TO ACCOMMODATE AND REDEEM AS MANY DINAR HOLDERS AS POSSIBLE IN ONLY 7-10 DAYS. THAT HAS NO EFFECT ON THE 30 DAY DEADLINE BUT THE LONGER YOU WAIT THE RATE WILL START TO DROP. THE APPOINTMENT PLACEMENT CENTERS WILL BE 24 HRS A DAY FOR 30 DAYS OR AT LEAST UNTIL THE CALLS SUBSIDE ENOUGH TO JUSTIFY THERE REDUCED HOURS. [post `1 of 2....stay tuned] 11-21-2013 Intel Guru Okie_Oil_Man [do you believe we will have a shot at appointments on Thursday?] THATS WHAT WERE HOPING AT THIS MOMENT BARRING ANY MORE UNFORESEEN INCIDENTS. [Can you divulge the rate...?]RATE STILL UNBELIEVABLY HIGH AND HAS BEEN CONSTANT FOR SEVERAL DAYS NOW. [do you see this being resolved and all of us who follow the rules at the banks soon?] ABSOLUTELY YES. [post 2 of 2]

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11/21/2013

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[Already Blessed (PAM)] JUST GOT OFF THE PHONE WITH TONY! EVERYTHING IS STILL ABSOLUTELY AWESOME...HE WILL DO A BLAST LATER TODAY...NO WORRIES!

11:40 AM Central time......loechin: This is ALL I will say today, the process as you know it is OVER. And what you care about is OVER. The RV is over, and the Banks in fact have the RV in hand and will release it to us when they are ready again to do it end of story guys.

MWKD Nov 21st @09:53am: If you want the truth, there were incidents at the bank... In more than two states.. No you won't be able to find out because it isn't meant for you to find out... Yes as I have old you there IS. A backwall. Don't forget who runs this country, some of you won't understand that.. I will NOT give you the date, and honestly I hope Tony doesn't either.. Sit back and relax, those kinks are getting ironed out and this should all be over VERY soon
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[ZTenor] When you feel angry and frustrated and you want to lash out and say something that might be considered hurtful....step back......take a deep breath and just sit with that feeling for awhile.....you will find that it soon will dissapate and it won't be as critical as when you first felt it. The danger is not in the feeling......but in the expression of that feeling at our most vulnerable time. When you step back and take a deep breath you will discover that maybe that feeling is not so important as you first thought. Be good to yourself....and others! IT's important.....because at one time or another you will have to live with them.... lol

[1blessed] Just a short note of information on what happen with no 800#s. Last night I was informed that at 12:30 am EST Iraq was to officially RV. When they went to push it thru all at once the computers system didn't complete the operation. So they tried it one bank at a time to align with CBI. Got about half way thru and that failed. I'm told they are totally committed to getting this to work today. We can't get our 800#'s until it is official in Iraq. Staying postive

3:00pm et Already Blessed (pam)] just got off the phone with tony! Everything is still absolutely awesome...he will do a blast later today...no worries! Lighten up GUYS.....NO bad NEWS....WE are used to waiting for it! Hang in THERE....IT is really almost over! Already Blessed (pam)] tony will do a blast later TODAY....NO worries...it is only noonthere...give him some time to gather intel, confirm and validate

Pharmboyguru:  Smokey mirrors/deception/lies/confusion

Did you guys ever stop to think that what we are going through is something that they planned and designed.  The government has always done this and they have to keep us guessing as to when it will actually pop.

They want to give us enough information so that we know what to do when it does happen but they also do not want us to know the exact date.

If anyone did know the exact date just think about how much extra money they could make.  The informants that give Tony the information probably do not know what is the truth and what is not, they do this to cause confusion amongst everyone.

Do not worry, it will happen at some point, all we can do is guess about the round about date and the round about rate.  Just like Tony said this is in the moment information and if you can't handle it, do not follow it.

If you can handle it just keep positive and happy that you are part of this group and investment.  Have a great day and remember stay positive!!! :)

Mort posted re: his Int'l lawyer ;-) HE said he is still in reno making great progress and will be in touch with his clients in a couple of days-everything is looking good and remember he said he is the start of tier 3 which is US...SO we should see this anytime NOW...SO hang in there...we should all be rich soon!

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MWKD Nov 21st @09:53am: If you want the truth, there were incidents at the bank... In more than two states.. No you won't be able to find out because it isn't meant for you to find out... Yes as I have old you there IS. A backwall. Don't forget who runs this country, some of you won't understand that.. I will NOT give you the date, and honestly I hope Tony doesn't either.. Sit back and relax, those kinks are getting ironed out and this should all be over VERY soon

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OPEN LETTER TO DINARIANS - Thursday morning post from Winalot sent to Recaps

11/21/2013 OPEN LETTER TO DINARIANS - Thursday morning post from Winalot sent to Recaps Hi, Right now, we are hearing all kinds of crazy stuff...exorbanintly high rates, daily rv calls, followed by daily excuses, currency codes that do not exist... on and on and on. Let's have a reality check.  I can see no way possible for the rates being thrown around to be possible.  You can beleive what you want.  BUT!  When you are standing in line at the bank, and you get to the point of exchanging, and they tell you $3.++ on the dinar, and $.05 'ish on the VND...remember one thing.  AT THAT RATE, THIS IS THE SINGLE BEST INVESTMENT YOU WILL HAVE EVER MADE IN YOUR LIFETIME!  Do NOT take it out on the banking personel...YOU are the ones who chose to beleive what you have... no one made you.  Take your measly 3.5 million dollars per million dinar, invest it wisely, and be extremely happy! If I am wrong, heck... not the first time... but please get your heads around a much smaller amount for exchange than what you are hearing....it will be much easier to take. Read More Link on Right I don't know who is supplying the daily mis-information, or why.  What does concern me is why do the GURU's keep passing it on?  Is no one smart enough to question their "sources" as to why, for at least the last 6 months of calling an rv daily, and excuses daily, as to why that keeps happening?  Really??? The excuses have been all over the board, recycled many times over and over, and here we still sit.  Amazing! I would also like to add a word about the smart cards...NOTHING HAS CHANGED~!  The Iraqi's still worry EVERY DAY if they are going to be able to feed thier children.  They fight the banks EVERY DAY when they do get money on their card because the banks are STEALING it from them in commissions that are not allowed to be charged~!  I watch the smart card site like a hawk.. I click on peoples pages that are leaving the posts... it is amazing what you can learn if you simply READ instead of listening to the Guru's!  Give it a try....see for yourself.  If you choose to ask questions or make comments, be prepaired!  They will simply ignore you, as they have much better manners than the people asking the stupid questions.  So, read, hop around, use www.translate.google.com to translate what they are saying.... and just see for yourself. Winalot http://www.dinarrecaps.com/1/post/2013/11/open-letter-to-dinarians-thursday-morning-post-from-winalot-sent-to-recaps.html ================================================================== Hi, John, Bank appointments? Bus loads of dinarians flooding banks?? 3000 to 7000 customer service reps ready to take your call? Rate change in Iraq?? These are just a few of the reports coming in from Intel Gurus... Very exciting stuff for sure!! But hears the thing... -------sponsored ad-------- According to a UN report, a simple cob of corn is about to become more valuable than gold.  Global food reserves are at an all time low - ten years ago we had 107 days of reserves, today we have only 74 and it's expected to get worse. Watch this Short video, you'll discover how one forward-thinking patriot devised a system to create a permanent supply of fresh fish, fruits, and vegetables. You'll see how you can use this exact same system...even as grocery store shelves go empty, those poor souls around you starve, and America dissolves into chaos...and see how you can quickly and easily take the steps needed to keep your loved ones safe and well-fed click here now... (Disclosure...to help keep emails like this one free for you...when you purchase this product I earn a small commission) -------------- We STILL have not gotten consensus or confirmation about any of it just yet. :( None of the thousands of customer service reps reported on the boards... None of the 100 or more people on the buses have reported on what happened or what they were told. None of the DinarGuru members from around the world confirmed the rate change in Iraq... None of the banks have said a peep about any of the procedures. Remember we're looking for a consensus from Intel and newshound gurus from different camps...so far we have not gotten it. I'll let you know if anything changes so stay tuned for that... In the mean time, below is an email I sent out last week talking about 800#, NDAs and whatnot...if you didn't read it do that now. Even though we have not gotten consensus...most gurus are reporting great stuff happening!! The last quarter was shaping up to be exciting and it has not failed in that regard! stay tuned... -Blanche ====== Hi John Dinar appointment 800#'s, special rates, IQN, group exchanges, NDAs?? Lots of info floating out there but no clear direction. People are feeling a little lost...like they're going to lose out or something. Here's the deal... NOTHING is official until it's official...that includes 800#'s, special appointments, IQN instead of IQD, NDAs etc. So take a deep breath and know you have not missed out on anything and I'll do my best so you don't. :) Remember we're ALWAYS looking for consensus from the gurus...and we are not getting that with the timing, the rate, nor with any future exchange procedures. Which is not all surprising since nothing has officially changed yet! Let's take a look each controversial item: Exchange Appointment 800#s:  Some gurus are reporting the banks will have special 800# to call to set up an exchange.  This may or may not be true for all banks.  Even if this is true across the board, this won't be a secret...the banks want your business and will inform us what we need to do to work with them safely.  I'll let you know what we learn as things become OFFICIAL. Group rate 800#s:  Again some gurus and groups are reporting they will have special rates.  Other gurus say they have not seen any of this themselves.  But again if this turns out to be accurate I'll let you know. IQN vs IQD:  Some gurus are claiming you will want to use the term IQN instead of IQD when exchanging.  Again nothing is official and I don't see why this would matter...currency is currency.  But I also know truth is sometimes stranger than fiction so I'll let you know what this is all about too when we know more. NDA:  Some gurus are claiming you'll have to sign a NDA (non-disclosure Agreement) when you exchange.  I'm not an attorney or anything, so I don't know much about these sorts of things. Have your attorney review any special documents the bank requires you to sign.  Other gurus feel they would be surprised if this turns out to be accurate so it may not be that big of a deal anyway. Also, remember, the dinar is NOT international at this time...most U.S. banks are not dealing with it at the moment. So all this bank talk is speculative right now. As of right now the online brokers and airport exchange houses are the groups dealing in dinar.  That's really it. We're hoping that changes real soon. We have over 70,000 members.  You're one of them.  Once something changes we'll know the good the bad and the ugly real quick.  I'll do my best to let you know what people are experiencing out on the street.  What to look for and what to look out for. Also one more thing.  On the Dinar Guru Tool Bar running down the left side of the home page, you'll see the DinarGuru RV Meters... These give you the overall sentiment of the gurus and a new feature my son put up lists the possible "to do" items some of the gurus feel need to be done before a change can happen. Some gurus feel only one or two of the items need to be completed while others feel they all need to be competed. Regardless, these will help you track progress! LOTS of great things slated to happen in the final 2 months of the 2013!  Stay tuned!! enjoy.  talk soon Blanche PS  Did a friend forward you this email?  Did you enjoy getting it and want to get updates, videos, documents and post RV update directly from me? Click www.DinarGuru.com and enter your name and email address in the blue box right now...its easy!  =================================================================== John, you have to be the most double-minded blogger out there.  In one post, you quote the ridiculous douchebag that publishes the “Dinar Douchebag” blog.  Do you believe his sarcastic, cynical, disbelieving, and libelous rants?  Or do you believe the several blog entries in which you quote all the “criminal gurus” that he is dissing on? Do you believe somebody is blocking the RV, or is it all a pipe dream?  Can’t have it both ways.  It is going to RV or it’s not. Then you build a straw man of the NDA.  If it does exist, it is not in effect yet!  It won’t be in effect until the RV.  Your “forensic investigator” found out absolutely nothing worthwhile.  I could have told you what he did.  THERE IS NO (CURRENT) WF NDA REQUIREMENT FOR CURRENCY EXCHANGE.  Of course there isn’t... the GCR hasn’t occurred yet until we Americans are in the banks. This info did not in the least prove the Tony is lying.  It still remains to be seen. After the RV happens, we will see the truth.  Until then, give us a break from the ALL CAPS, BOLD, RED RANTS\ Please... Dan G ================================================================= > Hi john, I am in Asia at present hoping a global reset happens soon while I am here. I am amazed how easy it is to trade any currency for any other, no questions asked, no ID, any amount, no delarouge machine. Currency exchanges are everywhere, and at most every branch of banks. Intel gurus are so full of BS in America. Anything to spread hopium and keep people trapped in the matrix. Best thing anyone could do when an RV happens is jump on a plane and cash out overseas. People and banks are normal, friendly, professional and love business! It's transferring currencies out of America one faces intense scrutiny and taxes. Spread the word! Blessings! ========================================== Okie Thoughts Thursday Afternoon from OOM&F 11/21/2013 0 Comments   [..okieoilman] I HAVE JUST READ THE REMARKS MADE BY OTHERS REGARDING MY POST THAT RE-CAPS POSTED. I HAVE GIVEN YOU THE REASON YESTERDAY'S DEBACLE INFLUENCED THE RELEASE FROM THE BANKS AND YOU RECEIVED IT WITH SCORN AND DIS-BELIEF. WELL I SUPPOSE THAT IS YOUR PEROGITIVE. EVERYTHING REGARDING THE HOLD UP FROM MENTALLY CHALLENGED PEOPLE AT THE BANK WAS FACTUAL AND TRUE. THE COMMENTS ALLUDED TO ABOUT EXCUSES AND ME BEING DILUSIONAL ARE CERTAINLY NOT APPRECIATED. TO THOSE WHO CONSTANTLY CHALLENGE FACTS BEING FURNISHED (AT NO COST)--LET THEM EAT CAKE.  I HAVE DONE MY BEST TO HONESTLY FURNISH THE BEST INFORMATION I POSSESSED. THOSE DOUBTERS ARE NEARLY ENOUGH TO MAKE ME SIT BACK AND WATCH THEM DIG FOR INFORMATION THAT THEY HAVE NO ACCESS TOO. .... Read More Link on Right  THIS IS A DISGUSTING DISPLAY OF CONDUCT BY THOSE WITH NO CONTACTS BECAUSE THIS DOES NOT FIT INTO THEIR OWN OPINIONS WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHERE WE ARE PRESENTLY. I AM CONTEMPLATING NOT FURNISHING ANY FURTHER INFORMATION AND LEAVE THEM IN THE DARK.  I APPRECIATE ALL THOSE WHO RECEIVE WITH MY BEST INTENTION THE INFORMATION I FURNISH.-----BLESSINGS TO THOSE WHO AREN'T MENTALLY CHALLENGED [..okieoilman] I HAVE NO INTENT OF PUNISHING ANYONE. ON THE CONTRARY I HAVE ONLY TRIED TO HELP--IF THAT IS AN EXCUSE--SO BE IT. YOU NEED TO REALIZE WHILE OTHER INTEL GATHERERS HAS A CREW HELPING THEM, I HAVE BEEN ENTIRELY ON MY OWN. IT SURE GET'S LONESOME OUT ON THIS LIMB SOMETIMES. ALSO REALIZE I HAVE BEEN GOING THRU THIS SAGA FOR 10 YEARS NOW AND IT'S TOLL SEEM'S TO JUST NOW BEGINING TO TAKE AN EFFECT ON ME.

Early Thursday PM Loechin Update from TNT Forum

11/21/2013

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loechin live  November 21, 2013

I Thessalonians 5:18 " In everything give thanks; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you" NKJV

It's hard on some of you right now to do what I'm going to tell you but it's time like never before. We are right now in an EVERYTHING MOMENT. Right now at this very moment everything in your financial life is about to change.

But what about life, the scripture said in EVERYTHING to Give Thanks. We are one week away from a day called Thanksgiving. A day and for some of us the only day out of the year that we reflect on being Thankful.

Instead of trying to find out about a bus load of people (which I now can tell you now it was not a bus but several different situations) why not just sit back and take a breath and Thank God that we are even in this investment.
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There were verified situations that did concern the Banks and that has been given attention to by the right people this morning. Can this continue NO and it won't either.

People are going to get either the boot or a new pair of bracelets to wear for being STUPID and not following the rules.

Before you ask are we still on track, is this another delay, will this cause something else to delay it.... The answer is NO.

And before you ask let me tell you something NO ONE knows the exact moment that this is coming, that we know anyway. Is there a back date, yes and do we know It, yes, but it won't be told to the masses either.

Do what I'm going to do and go out and find something else to occupy your time and wait for the 800 numbers to come out.

Keep the faith that the RV is here, it has been completed, and it's in the hands of the Banks. When they release it, we will know it and we won't care anymore.....
loechin

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All of the so called gurus are just full of lies now they are saying it has
been delayed because people were running to the banks  What BULLSHIT
they said the same thing several weeks ago to cover there lies. Maybe
everyone needs to do a reality check and stop listening to these people
that try to fill everyone with hope that it will happen today, tomorrow
this week then next week next month or next year enough already.

NO MORE LIES AND FALSE HOPE

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Okie Thoughts Thursday Afternoon from OOM&F

11/21/2013

[..okieoilman] I HAVE JUST READ THE REMARKS MADE BY OTHERS REGARDING MY POST THAT RE-CAPS POSTED.

I HAVE GIVEN YOU THE REASON YESTERDAY'S DEBACLE INFLUENCED THE RELEASE FROM THE BANKS AND YOU RECEIVED IT WITH SCORN AND DIS-BELIEF.

WELL I SUPPOSE THAT IS YOUR PEROGITIVE. EVERYTHING REGARDING THE HOLD UP FROM MENTALLY CHALLENGED PEOPLE AT THE BANK WAS FACTUAL AND TRUE.

THE COMMENTS ALLUDED TO ABOUT EXCUSES AND ME BEING DILUSIONAL ARE CERTAINLY NOT APPRECIATED. TO THOSE WHO CONSTANTLY CHALLENGE FACTS BEING FURNISHED (AT NO COST)--LET THEM EAT CAKE.

 I HAVE DONE MY BEST TO HONESTLY FURNISH THE BEST INFORMATION I POSSESSED. THOSE DOUBTERS ARE NEARLY ENOUGH TO MAKE ME SIT BACK AND WATCH THEM DIG FOR INFORMATION THAT THEY HAVE NO ACCESS TOO.
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THIS IS A DISGUSTING DISPLAY OF CONDUCT BY THOSE WITH NO CONTACTS BECAUSE THIS DOES NOT FIT INTO THEIR OWN OPINIONS WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHERE WE ARE PRESENTLY.

I AM CONTEMPLATING NOT FURNISHING ANY FURTHER INFORMATION AND LEAVE THEM IN THE DARK.

 I APPRECIATE ALL THOSE WHO RECEIVE WITH MY BEST INTENTION THE INFORMATION I FURNISH.-----BLESSINGS TO THOSE WHO AREN'T MENTALLY CHALLENGED

[..okieoilman] I HAVE NO INTENT OF PUNISHING ANYONE. ON THE CONTRARY I HAVE ONLY TRIED TO HELP--IF THAT IS AN EXCUSE--SO BE IT. YOU NEED TO REALIZE WHILE OTHER INTEL GATHERERS HAS A CREW HELPING THEM, I HAVE BEEN ENTIRELY ON MY OWN.

IT SURE GET'S LONESOME OUT ON THIS LIMB SOMETIMES. ALSO REALIZE I HAVE BEEN GOING THRU THIS SAGA FOR 10 YEARS NOW AND IT'S TOLL SEEM'S TO JUST NOW BEGINING TO TAKE AN EFFECT ON ME.

http://www.dinarrecaps.com/1/post/2013/11/okie-thoughts-thursday-afternoon-from-oomf.html

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Early Thursday PM Loechin Update from TNT Forum

11/21/2013

loechin live  November 21, 2013

I Thessalonians 5:18 " In everything give thanks; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you" NKJV

It's hard on some of you right now to do what I'm going to tell you but it's time like never before. We are right now in an EVERYTHING MOMENT. Right now at this very moment everything in your financial life is about to change.

But what about life, the scripture said in EVERYTHING to Give Thanks. We are one week away from a day called Thanksgiving. A day and for some of us the only day out of the year that we reflect on being Thankful.

Instead of trying to find out about a bus load of people (which I now can tell you now it was not a bus but several different situations) why not just sit back and take a breath and Thank God that we are even in this investment.
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Read More Link on Right

There were verified situations that did concern the Banks and that has been given attention to by the right people this morning. Can this continue NO and it won't either.

People are going to get either the boot or a new pair of bracelets to wear for being STUPID and not following the rules.

Before you ask are we still on track, is this another delay, will this cause something else to delay it.... The answer is NO.

And before you ask let me tell you something NO ONE knows the exact moment that this is coming, that we know anyway. Is there a back date, yes and do we know I,t yes, but it won't be told to the masses either.

Do what I'm going to do and go out and find something else to occupy your time and wait for the 800 numbers to come out.

Keep the faith that the RV is here, it has been completed, and it's in the hands of the Banks. When they release it, we will know it and we won't care anymore.....
loechin

http://www.dinarrecaps.com/1/post/2013/11/early-thursday-pm-loechin-update-from-tnt-forum.html

Only one posting per day for dinar gurus

From Now On - there will only one posting per day for the dinar gurus. The one posting shall have all the gurus lies for the day.

That is all for now.

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A bill of attainder (also known as an act of attainder or writ of attainder) is an act of a legislature declaring a person or group of persons guilty of some crime and punishing them without privilege of a judicial trial. As with attainder resulting from the normal judicial process, the effect of such a bill is to nullify the targeted person’s civil rights, most notably the right to own property (and thus pass it on to heirs), the right to a title of nobility, and, in at least the original usage, the right to life itself. Bills of attainder were used in England between about 1300 and 1800 and resulted in the executions of a number of notable historical figures. However, the use of these bills eventually fell into disfavour due to the obvious potential for abuse and the violation of several legal principles, most importantly separation of powers, the right to due process, and the precept that a law should address a particular form of behaviour rather than a specific individual or group. For these reasons, bills of attainder are expressly banned by the United States Constitution as well as the constitutions of all 50 US states.

Ex post facto law

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An ex post facto law (Latin for "from after the action" or "after the fact"), also called a retroactive law, is a law that retroactively changes the legal consequences (or status) of actions that were committed, or relationships that existed, before the enactment of the law. In criminal law, it may criminalize actions that were legal when committed; it may aggravate a crime by bringing it into a more severe category than it was in when it was committed; it may change the punishment prescribed for a crime, as by adding new penalties or extending sentences; or it may alter the rules of evidence in order to make conviction for a crime likelier than it would have been when the deed was committed. Conversely, a form of ex post facto law commonly called an amnesty law may decriminalize certain acts or alleviate possible punishments (for example by replacing the death sentence with lifelong imprisonment) retroactively. Such laws are also known by the Latin term in mitius.
A law may have an ex post facto effect without being technically ex post facto. For example, when a law repeals a previous law, the repealed legislation is no longer applicable to situations to which it previously was, even if such situations arose before the law was repealed. The principle of prohibiting the continued application of such laws is called Nullum crimen, nulla poena sine praevia lege poenali, especially in European Continental systems.
Some common-law jurisdictions do not permit retroactive criminal legislation, though new precedent generally applies to events that occurred before the judicial decision. Ex post facto laws are expressly forbidden by the United States Constitution in Article 1, Section 9, Clause 3. In some nations that follow the Westminster system of government, such as the United Kingdom, ex post facto laws are technically possible, because the doctrine of parliamentary supremacy allows Parliament to pass any law it wishes. In a nation with an entrenched bill of rights or a written constitution, ex post facto legislation may be prohibited.

Due process

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Due process is the legal requirement that the state must respect all of the legal rights that are owed to a person. Typically, "Due process" means 1) NOTICE, generally written, but some courts have determined, in rare circumstances, other types of notice suffice^{[citation needed]}. Notice should provide sufficient detail to fully inform the individual of the decision or activity that will have an effect on his/her rights or property or person. 2) right to GRIEVE (that being the right to complain or to disagree with the governmental actor/entity which has decision making authority) and 3) the right to APPEAL if not satisfied with the outcome of the grievance procedure. Due process balances the power of law of the land and protects the individual person from it. When a government harms a person without following the exact course of the law, this constitutes a due-process violation, which offends against the rule of law.
Due process has also been frequently interpreted as limiting laws and legal proceedings (see substantive due process), so that judges - instead of legislators - may define and guarantee fundamental fairness, justice, and liberty. This interpretation has proven controversial, and is analogous to the concepts of natural justice, and procedural justice used in various other jurisdictions. This interpretation of due process is sometimes expressed as a command that the government must not be unfair to the people or abuse them physically.
Due process is not used in contemporary English law, though two similar concepts are natural justice (which generally applies only to decisions of administrative agencies and some types of private bodies like trade unions) and the British constitutional concept of the rule of law as articulated by A. V. Dicey and others.^[1] However, neither concept lines up perfectly with the American theory of due process, which, as explained below, presently contains many implied rights not found in the ancient or modern concepts of due process in England.^[2]
Due process developed from clause 39 of the Magna Carta in England.^{[citation needed]} When English and American law gradually diverged, due process was not upheld in England, but did become incorporated in the Constitution of the United States.

Common law

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A Common law legal system is a system of law characterized by case law which is law developed by judges through decisions of courts and similar tribunals.^[1] Common law systems also include statutes enacted by legislative bodies, though those statutes typically either codify judicial decisions or fill in areas of the law not covered by case law. In contrast to common law systems, civil law (codified/continental law) systems are founded on a set of legal codes,^[2] which are organized laws that attempt to cover exhaustively the various legal domains, and is characterized by an absence of precedent in the judicial application of those codes.^[3] In the modern period, both systems tend to include administrative regulations which may also be codified.^[4]
A common law system is a legal system that gives great potential precedential weight to common law,^[5] on the principle that it is unfair to treat similar facts differently on different occasions.^[6] The body of precedent is called "common law" and it binds future decisions. In cases where the parties disagree on what the law is, a common law court looks to past precedential decisions of relevant courts. If a similar dispute has been resolved in the past, the court is usually bound to follow the reasoning used in the prior decision (this principle is known as stare decisis). If, however, the court finds that the current dispute is fundamentally distinct from all previous cases (called a "matter of first impression"), judges have the authority and duty to make law by creating precedent.^[7] Thereafter, the new decision becomes precedent, and will bind future courts.
In practice, common law systems are considerably more complicated than the simplified system described above. The decisions of a court are binding only in a particular jurisdiction, and even within a given jurisdiction, some courts have more power than others. For example, in most jurisdictions, decisions by appellate courts are binding on lower courts in the same jurisdiction, and on future decisions of the same appellate court; but decisions of lower courts are only non-binding persuasive authorities. Interactions between common law, constitutional law, statutory law and regulatory law also give rise to considerable complexity. However, stare decisis, the principle that similar cases should be decided according to consistent principled rules so that they will reach similar results, lies at the heart of all common law systems.
One third of the world's population (approximately 2.3 billion people) live in common law jurisdictions or in systems mixed with civil law. Particularly common law is in England where it originated in the Middle Ages,^[8] and in countries that trace their legal heritage to England as former colonies of the British Empire, including India,^[9] the United States (with the partial exception of Louisiana^[10]), Pakistan,^[11] Nigeria, Bangladesh, Canada (with the exception of Quebec, which uses a mix of civil law in areas of provincial jurisdiction and common law in areas of federal jurisdiction), Malaysia, Ghana, Australia,^[12] Sri Lanka, Hong Kong, Singapore, Burma, Ireland, New Zealand, Jamaica, Trinidad and Tobago, Cyprus, Barbados,^[13] South Africa, Zimbabwe, Cameroon, Namibia, Botswana, Guyana and Israel.

Seventh Amendment to the United States Constitution

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United States of America

This article is part of the series: United States Constitution

Original text of the Constitution

Preamble Articles of the Constitution I II III IV V VI VII

Amendments to the Constitution

Bill of Rights I II III IV V VI VII VIII IX X Subsequent Amendments XI XII XIII XIV XV XVI XVII XVIII XIX XX XXI XXII XXIII XXIV XXV XXVI XXVII Unratified Amendments I(1) XIII(1) XIII(2) XX(1) XXVII(1) XXVII(2)

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Original Constitution Bill of Rights Subsequent Amendments Unsuccessful Amendments

The Seventh Amendment (Amendment VII) to the United States Constitution is part of the Bill of Rights. This amendment codifies the right to a jury trial in certain civil cases, and inhibits courts from overturning a jury's findings of fact.
An early version of the Seventh Amendment was introduced in Congress in 1789 by James Madison, along with the other amendments to the Bill of Rights, in response to Anti-Federalist objections to the new Constitution. Congress proposed a revised version of this amendment to the states on September 28, 1789, and by December 15, 1791, the necessary three-quarters of the states had ratified as it. Secretary of State Thomas Jefferson announced the adoption of the amendment on March 1, 1792.
The Seventh Amendment is generally considered one of the more straightforward amendments of the Bill of Rights. Unlike many of the Bill's provisions, the Seventh Amendment has never been incorporated (i.e. applied to the states), although almost every state voluntarily complies with such a requirement. United States v. Wonson (1812) established the "historical test", which interpreted the amendment as relying on English common law to determine whether a jury trial was necessary in a civil suit. The amendment thus does not guarantee trial by jury in cases under maritime law, in lawsuits against the government itself, and for many parts of patent claims. In all other cases, the jury can be waived by consent of the parties.
The amendment additionally guarantees a minimum of six members for a jury in a civil trial. The amendment's twenty dollar threshold has not been the subject of much scholarly or judicial writing; that threshold remains applicable despite the inflation that has occurred since the 18th century.

How to Prove that Documents Were Signed Under Duress

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Duress is one of the most vague areas of U.S. law, and also one of the simplest. Essentially, duress is the act of forcing another person or party to do something against his or her will, usually with a threat of violence or other harm. Many times, agreements and contracts are signed under duress but there is no proof, or else the victim doesn't realize that he or she can contest the validity of the signed document. But how do you prove that documents were signed under duress?

Is the contract fair and equitable?
A contract - of any sort - should be a fair and equitable "meeting of the minds", which means that it benefits both parties equally. If a contract is biased toward the other party, you will have an easier time proving that you wouldn't have signed it in normal circumstances. Explain that the documents were signed under duress, and that you don't find a meeting of the minds anywhere in the contract.
Is there a history of hostility between the two parties?
It is also easier to prove that documents were signed under duress if you and the other party have a history of arguing, fighting or disagreeing. A court is more likely to believe that you didn't sign a contract of your free will if it is unlikely that you would enter into an agreement with the other party in the first place. But you'll need to provide evidence of past disagreements, such as testimony from eyewitnesses or proof of letters or phone calls.
Did someone see you sign the papers?
A witness is an invaluable asset when trying to prove that documents were signed under duress. Chances are, if someone witnessed the signing of the contract, he or she also witnessed the pressure - either physical or otherwise - administered to get you to sign. Perhaps the witness heard verbal threats or was privy to a physical beating that ultimately convinced you to sign the papers. Whatever the case, the witness will need to testify.
Do you have written proof of harassment or threats?
Although most people are smart enough not to put threats in writing, you will run across the occasional moron. If you have threats in writing, they are golden in a courtroom. Explain that you were threatened to sign the contract or documents, which proves duress, and submit the letter or communication as evidence. Remember that e-mail is admissible as long as it can be reasonably assumed that the e-mail originated from the defendant.
Were you physically assaulted?
If the defendant used physical force to get you to sign documents under duress, make sure you have photographs of the resulting injuries. It is also a good idea to have your medical records to show that you sought treatment on the day on which the contract was signed, further strengthening your case.

     COMMENTS FROM ERASMUS OF AMERICA. AS THE AMERICAN DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE DECLARED IN 1776, THERE ARE "PRETENDED ACTS OF LEGISLATION" WHEN THE NATIONAL GOVERNMENT IN POWER GRANTS TO ITSELF LEGAL POWERS NOT GRANTED TO IT BY ITS OWN WRITTEN OR UNWRITTEN CONSTITUTION (Britain has an unwritten constitution also called an oral constitution but still binding on law in England). ACCORDING TO THE AMERICAN DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE, "ACTS OF PRETENDED LEGISLATION" IS DECLARED LAW BY A GOVERNMENT ACTING WITHOUT AUTHORITY TO ISSUE SUCH A LAW FOR THE PEOPLE OF THE NATION AND SUCH LAW HAS NO LEGAL AUTHORITY TO FORCE THE PEOPLE TO OBEY SUCH AS AN INVALID LAW OR POLICY AS ATTEMPTED BY USURPERS AND TYRANTS IN GOVERNMENT. A "DE FACTO GOVERNMENT" IS ONE HOLDING POWER IN FACT, BUT NOT LEGAL AUTHORITY AS THE VALID GOVERNMENT OF THE NATION. A "DE JURE GOVERNMENT" IS ONE HOLDING LEGAL POWER AS THE VALID GOVERNMENT OF THE NATION AS IT OBEYS THE WRITTEN OR ORAL CONSTITUTION BINDING IT IN AUTHORITY WHAT IS LAWFUL OR NOT FOR IT TO DO AS A GOVERNMENT. I THINK THIS EXPLANATION IS EASIER FOR THE PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THAN THE DEFINITIONS I FOUND IN LEGAL DICTIONARIES.
     PASS THIS REPORT AROUND AS MOST AMERICANS WERE NEVER TAUGHT IN SCHOOL MANY OF THE KEY LEGAL CONCEPTS EXPRESSED IN THE U.S. CONSTITUTION. IN FIRST AMERICA, BASICALLY EVERYONE UNDERSTOOD THE U.S. CONSTITUTION SO DEBATE ON ISSUES ABOUT THE CONSTITUTION WERE COMMON AMONG THE ORDINARY FOLKS OF AMERICA. TODAY, SUPPOSEDLY ONLY LAWERS ARE SUPPOSED TO UNDERSTAND THE U.S. CONSTITUTION AS THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE NO LONGER TAUGHT WHAT MUCH OF THE U.S. CONSTITUTION SAYS IN LEGAL LANGUAGE. 
     NOW WHEN YOU WANT TO STEAL THE GOVERNMENT FROM THE PEOPLE, THEN MAKE THE U.S. CONSTITUTION SOUND MYSTERIOUS AND LIKE A LEGAL WITCH DOCTOR, NOW ONLY LAWYERS KNOW WHAT THE U.S. CONSTITUTION SAYS AND SO THE GOVERNMENT IS STOLEN AWAY FROM THE PEOPLE AND THE PEOPLE NEVER CATCH ON TO THE LEGAL CON JUST PULLED ON THEM TO STEAL AMERICA AWAY FROM THEM!
     MY PROPOSED OMNI LAW IS POSTED ON MY NATIONAL WEBSITE AND IS BASED UPON THE CIVIL TRIBUNE CONCEPT OF ANCIENT ROME WHICH JAMES MADISON, "FATHER OF THE U.S. CONSTITUTION," SAID WAS THE SMARTEST LEGAL SYSTEM IN THE ANCIENT WORLD TO PROTECT THE LEGAL RIGHTS OF THE PEOPLE AND FORCE THE GOVERNMENT TO CARRY OUT THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE OF THE NATION. HOWEVER, JAMES MADISON THOUGHT THAT THE AMERICAN LEADERS WOULD HAVE LEGAL INTEGRITY TOWARDS THE U.S. CONSTITUTION AND U.S. BILL OF RIGHTS WHICH HE IS ALSO CALLED THE FATHER OF, SO IT WOULD NOT BE NECESSARY TO COPY THIS ANCIENT ROMAN CONCEPT OF LAW FOR THE ROMAN REPUBLIC. HE DID NOT ANTICIPATE HOW THE GOVERNMENT WOULD BE CORRUPTED AND BOUGHT OFF FROM WITHIN AS AMERICA REJECTED CHRISTIAN LEADERS FOR THE NATION WHICH HE DID NOT THINK THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WOULD DO. AMERICA EITHER ADOPTS THE ANCIENT ROMAN LEGAL CONCEPT OF CIVIL TRIBUNES OR ELSE WASH., D.C. UNDER CORRUPT LEADERS AS RUN WASH., D.C. TODAY IS INCAPABLE OF POLICING ITSELF OF CORRUPTION WITHIN AND IS INCAPABLE OF ACTING AS A REPONSIBLE AND HONEST NATIONAL GOVERNMENT AT THIS TIME. SO TIME TO ADOPT THE ANCIENT ROMAN CONCEPT OF CIVIL TRIBUNES WHICH KEPT THE ROMAN REPUBLIC BASICALLY HONEST FOR SEVERAL CENTURIES AND MAINTAINED PROSPERITY FOR THE PEOPLE OF ROME UNTIL CORRUPT INTERESTS FIGURED OUT HOW TO OVERTHROW THE CIVIL TRIBUNES FROM POWER AND THEN THE ROMAN REPUBLIC BECAME AS CORRUPT AS WASH., D.C. IS TODAY AND LOVES BEING CORRUPT RATHER THAN FAITHFULLY SERVING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!
     A SIMPLE PROOF THAT WASH., D.C. HAS BEEN LYING TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE FOR DECADES IS THE MURDER OF PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY 50 YEARS AGO. IN INTERVIEWING WITNESSES TODAY WHO WERE THERE IN DALLAS 50 YEARS AGO, YOU HAVE MENTION OF THREE SHOTS HEARD, NOT JUST ONE, AND TWO WERE HEARD FROM THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION OF LEE HARVEY OSWALD. JACQUELINE KENNEDY CRAWLED OUT ONTO THE BACK OF THE LIMOUSINE TRYING TO GET AHOLD OF KENNEDY'S BRAINS AND PART OF HIS SKULL BLOWN OUT OF HIS HEAD HAVING BEEN HIT FROM THE FRONT AND NOT THE REAR WHERE LEE HARVEY OSWALD WAS LOCATED! AND WHEN I HAD THE LEGAL TESTIMONY OF A NOTARY PUBLIC FROM THE WHITE HOUSE AND A SECRET SERVICE AGENT WHO BOTH WANTED TO TESTIFY WHAT THEY OVERHEARD AT THE WHITE HOUSE SHOWING THAT C.I.A. HAD MURDERED PRESIDENT KENNEDY BEFORE HE COULD DISBAND C.I.A. AS HE SAID HE WAS GOING TO DO, CONGRESS WAS SO SCARED TO DEATH OF THIS TESTIMONY, THEY REFUSED TO CALL THE WITNESSES I HAD LINED UP. AT LEAST ONE MEMBER OF CONGRESS RESPONDED ORALLY AND SAID, "THIS IS SO HOT, I WOULDN'T TOUCH THIS WITH A 50 FOOT POLE!" 
     COL. CURTIS B. DALL, ONE TIME SON-IN-LAW OF PRES. F.D.R. AND CHAIRMAN OF LIBERTY LOBBY IN WASH., D.C. HAD LINED UP THE SECRET SERVICE AGENT WHO HAD THE RECORDED TAPE WHERE NEW PRESIDENT LYNDON JOHNSON TALKED BY PHONE FROM THE OVAL OFFICE OF THE WHITE HOUSE WITH THE TWO BANKERS FROM NEW YORK WHO ORDERED C.I.A. TO MURDER PRESIDENT KENNEDY. PRESIDENT JOHNSON'S BACK WAS TURNED AND HE DIDN'T SEE THE NOTARY PUBLIC ENTER THE OVAL OFFICE AND SHE OVERHEARD THE SAME PHONE CALL AS RECORDED BY THE SECRET SERVICE AGENT THERE. THERE WERE THREE OF US FROM MY INTELLIGENCE UNIT WHO HEARD HER TESTIMONY AND SHE WAS HOPING WE COULD FIND SOME WAY TO SAVE HER LIFE FROM MURDER. AS ONE SAID TO ME AS WE LEFT HER, WE HAVE HAD A MILITARY COUP IN WASH., D.C. AND NOWHERE WE CAN GO WITH THIS INFORMATION. THE NOTARY PUBLIC LATER DISAPPEARED FROM WASH., D.C. AND WE ASSUMED WAS MURDERED BY C.I.A. AS SHE THOUGHT LYNDON B. JOHNSON HAD SEEN HER AFTER ENTERING THE OVAL OFFICE. WE WERE ALL LATER THREATENED WITH FEDERAL MURDER OR "WOULD DISAPPEAR" IF WE EVER TRIED TO CONTACT THE NEWSPAPERS OR CONGRESS WITH OUR TESTIMONY. TWO FEDERAL AGENCIES WERE BEHIND THE THREATS! I WAS YOUNG THEN BUT INSTANTLY THE HEAD OF AN INTELLIGENCE GROUP AS SOON AS I CAME TO WASH., D.C. A RETIRED PENTAGON OFFICIAL WHO WAS MY RIGHT HAND WITH THIS UNIT ONCE COMMENTED HOW WE WERE "THE TEDDY ROOSEVELT ROUGH RIDERS OF AMERICAN MILITARY INTELLIGENCE!" I HAD TREMENDOUS NERVE AND ALL WHO JOINED WITH US WERE SOON ALL INFECTED WITH THIS TREMENDOUS NERVE SOON AFTER AND LOVED TO OUTWIT SOVIET INTELLIGENCE, ETC.!
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Twenty-three countries begin setting up swap lines to bypass dollar

Twenty-three countries begin setting up swap lines to bypass dollar

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November 18, 2013  

Twenty-three countries begin setting up swap lines to bypass dollar 

For several years, financial analysts, primarily those outside the mainstream of academia, have been warning that any day could be the black swan event that collapses the dollar, and ends U.S. hegemony as caretaker of the world's reserve currency. That day has finally arrived as on Nov. 18, a former head trader for a major financial institution issued a harbinger and stated that 23 countries, and 60% of the world's GDP, are right now setting up new swap lines which bypass the dollar, SWIFT, and the BIS, and will usher in a new global currency system which will kill the dollar.

The thoughts that are put into the minds of men that are aware of what is occurring on trading floors all over the world is when? When is also the question that I get asked about quite often by thousands of people. So what is the “when”? The “when” is what is the sure sign that this fraudulent sham that we call an economy is over? Folks the biggest sign is when those that trade in the dollar to acquire goods, no longer want the worthless paper because of US “bully” policies or they have totally lost faith in the US as a responsible steward of it’s currency and economy. That day has arrived.

All over the world economies that have not totally shot themselves in the foot by gambling in the Anglo-American casino are now moving to set up various currency exchanges by passing the dollar. 

The list of the 23 countries which are creating new swap lines outside of the dollar include China, Russia, India, and surprisingly, Germany, France, and the United Kingdom. This means that the Eurozone itself is abandoning the dollar, and preparing for transition to a new central banking system.

To facilitate the transfer of currencies and swap lines, there needs to be a bank of sufficient size and stature to aid in handling of this monumental task. One year ago, China, along with the BRICs nations of Brazil, Russia, India and South Africa, loaned money to a new financial institution they established and labeled the BRICs bank. This bank was created with the intention of bypassing the dollar, and allowing free trade to occur between nations without the need to trade for dollars first, as is currently the format under the petrodollar system. In fact, the new BRICs bank will function both as a bank of international settlement, as well as a lender of last resort, eliminating the need for the BIS and IMF, which currently reside under dollar dominion.

The only thing that stands in the way of the world's final rejection of the dollar is the wavering trust that Saudi Arabia and OPEC have with the U.S. in assuring oil transactions remain denominated in dollars under the 1970's Petrodollar agreement. But as the world has seen recently, even the Saudi kingdom is hedging towards a new global system, and has publicly stated that their ties to the U.S. are open for re-negotiation.

What started in September of last year, when an agreement between China and Russia ended the dollar's stranglehold over oil and how it was purchased, the past 14 months have seen a momentous rush towards setting up the infrastructure to replace the dollar completely in global transactions. And with 23 countries, including those from the BRICs nations and the Eurozone, preparing for new swap lines outside of dollar hegemony, the fuse has been lit on the dollar's death rattle, and the when has changed into the now.

http://goingglobaleastmeetswest.blogspot.com/2013/11/twenty-three-countries-begin-setting-up.html

The true meaning behind NDA ------ NO DUMB ASS!

  The true meaning behind NDA

Hey John

   I have been reading about this NDA Trying to wrap my head around the meaning of what NDA represents. Reading that everyone has to do it just didn’t set very well with me. Then to find out that there isn’t anywhere in the world you can go with out doing the NDA thing. WOW! What power. So like everything that I have ever done in the past I did some research on it and found out what they really want us to do and what to say. The results floored me and where very amazing.

    It is set up to help us on how to deal with all the stuff that will be coming at us, like.

Where did you get all this money?  Remember NDA

Tell me how many currencies do you have? Remember NDA

Will you tell me how did you find out about this, who told you? Remember NDA

Did you put tax monies aside? Remember NDA

Will you sign this paper and that paper? Remember NDA 

The list can go on forever if you want it to.

     The NDA was set up for us to execute our power by simply saying NDA. This is great and I encourage everyone to start practicing using it every where you go. If some one asks you to do something that you just don’t want to do, simply say NDA. If someone starts asking you to answer question that you are not comfortable answering simply tell them NDA. This is what I found out, do your research and see if you don’t come to the same conclusions.

   In a nut shell so that we all have the proper understanding of NDA let me simply spell it out for you, it means NO DUMB ASS

   I was going to sign this then I thought NDA

DINAR GURUS LYING TO US AGAIN - NO NDA REQUIREMENT

I HAD MY FORENSIC INVESTIGATOR CHECKING OUT THIS NDA RUMOR.

ACCORDING TO TWO DIFFERENT CORP OFFICES OF WELLS FARGO CURRENCY ----

THERE IS NO WF NDA REQUIREMENT FOR CURRENCY EXCHANGE.

THE DINAR GURUS HAVE BEEN LYING TO US AGAIN!