Wednesday, April 16, 2014

Pope Francis Invokes Lucifer During Easter Mass 2013 « Now The End Begins

To my friends and family,

This is going to be difficult to see, but is necessary if we are to speak the truth in love.  We have wonderful, godly family members and friends who are Catholic, some of you getting this email, who love YHWH (God) and have given their lives to Him through His Son Yeshua (aka Jesus).   However, have been ignorant of what the Vatican is truly doing.

Revelation 18:1-24, states "come out of her MY PEOPLE".  So, it is obvious that the Father has His own children in the Babylonian system, which has been controlled by an alliance between the Crown of England and the Vatican for centuries.  I would recommend you read this entire chapter of Revelation, as this is where we are right now, today.  Check out the International Criminal Court of Justice trial of October 15, 2012 in which 58 nations tried the Crown of England and the Vatican on two charges of global financial terrorism and human sex trafficking.  They were found guilty of both charges and this is the real reason that Pope Benedict moved out of the papal apartments and Pope Francis has not moved back in.  That organization is being dismantled, and the Queen of England is under House Arrest.  That is why she has been attempting to find a successor to the throne.  However, they are usurpers of that throne and they are bring removed as well.  That throne is going back to the true family that it was taken from.

So, if you are or have family that are Catholic, please let know to come out of that system, so that they will not be destroyed.

http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/?p=16251

LAND GRAB IN AMERICA

LAND GRAB IN AMERICA

Posted on April 16, 2014 by 

Published on Aug 2, 2012
Thanks to D.

http://www.thetruthdenied.com/
Deborah Tavares, Leuren Moret, &Roxy Lopez
http://jhaines6.wordpress.com/

Harry Reid belongs in jail

Subject: Harry Reid belongs in jail


Have you followed the Bundy Ranch story?

Here's what you don't know.

Nevada Senator Harry Reid and his criminal
family have been accumulating land parcels
in the area for re-sale to a Chinese company.

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Listen to this! Nevada was planned to be a slaughter !!

Listen to this! 
Nevada was planned 
to be a slaughter !!

PLEASE WATCH
& LISTEN CAREFULLY !!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilDfAqDNUe4 
(30 minutes, but this is a must watch!)


FROM ONE OF THE PROTESTERS...
Last post of the night - I am going to ask or rather emphatically tell you all to watch this. It's 30 minutes long. Maybe watch it twice. 

Skip everything else until you do.
These 2 men lead a militia..
They aloneplus God,
'saved all our lives on Saturday'. 


It was that close.
They bravely conducted an intervention.
They saw through the manipulation set in place
to sacrifice 'all of us' there that day, including
the BLM agents.

The BLM were set up as sacrifices too.

They said this was planned on the scale of 9/11.
 

He called Sheriff Gillespie and Harry Reid"Luciferians." 

They are intelligent, articulate and had the same intuitive gut level read that we did as we left -something wasn't right there. 

These 2 men are accurate, it matches exactly
what we felt, and America needs to understand
this... like right now. You have no more time to understand this.. Share this far and wide. 

It'll happen again, either there or another place.

I have not seen one single report or message
more accurate, or more important than this one. 


This serves for your future as well.

This degree of evil is where
things have progressed to. 

The intention, or set-up was intended to be a full bloodbath of over 2,000 people, culminating in the military coming in via air to kill us all.

We saw the planes (including fighter jets) when
we arrived.
 We did not know why.

Now I know why.
Make time. Watch it start to finish - do not miss one single word. I'm going to be asking you if you did, which is atypical of me to be so pushy.

Do it or I am going to be angry that you don't trust
me enough to know what I'm talking about.
I can't even believe I'm saying this so strongly.
I have to. ~ Cori
ALERT Sheriff Gillespie Seeks Slaughter
I am putting this up WAY out of chronological order because of its importance. LVPD Sheriff Gillespie said that the BLM would pull out and release the cattle...
YOUTUBE.COM

 

~~~~~~OTHER COMMENTS ~~~NAMES WITHHELD ~~~~~~

Do you think anyone has the courage to " deal "
with Sheldon Adeleson, and crowd permanently ?

The senators are evil, but still only hired mercenaries. 

~~~~~~~~~~~~

Nope.  They have not figured out who the wizard behind the curtain is.

~~~~~~~~~


Sheldon Adeleson wants the underground aquifers, 
to water his casino's, as Las Vegas is running out of water. The Chinese power story takes eyes off the Jew, 9th richest in USA, and has Harry Reid as a 
" fall guy."  Typical plan of a slippery J__w.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Yep.  I could not have said it better.  
And the Chinese story is utter crap and put out there 
as a total diversion. 

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YOU HEARD IT HERE !!  REAL AMERICANS SPEAK OUT !!

REAL AMERICANS FIGHTING FOR US

PLEASE - PLEASE START "DOING YOUR PART" !!

Another Nazi Paperclip NSA Black Op False Flag on American Soil as the American People are Ready to Pivot

TOM HENEGHAN EXPLOSIVE INTELLIGENCE BRIEFINGS
ALL Patriot Americans MUST know, with sources inside American/European intelligence agencies and INTERPOL reporting what is really going on behind the scenes of the corporate-controlled, fascist, extortion-friendly propaganda U.S. media's massive deceptions


Tuesday   April 15, 2014
Another Nazi Paperclip NSA Black Op False Flag on American Soil as the American People are Ready to Pivot
by Tom Heneghan, International Intelligence Expert

UNITED States of America   -   It can now be reported that Glenn Frazier Cross aka Glenn Miller (about to be reported by CBS News) has now been identified as a lifelong FBI informant tied to FBI Division 5 in Crete, Illinois.
Glenn Frazier Cross is also tied to Fort Hood, Texas (NSA Black Op Psy Op headquarters) and the right wing NSA Zionists that occupy the United States of America.
Glenn Frazier Cross is a typical "crisis actor".
P.S.  At this hour worldwide banks remain totally insolvent with derivatives and ETF's bankrupting the entire system.
Algorithms are about to go hybrid as worldwide banks asset deleveraging continues.

(images and photos posted at nodisinfo.com)

Fake Jewish Community Center Shooter Frazier Cross is a Zionist Agent

Frazier Cross, aka Glenn Frazier Cross and Glenn Miller, is not a man supporting any white man’s cause. Rather, he is a supporter of the cause of Zionism. That’s because rather than an enemy of the Jews/Zionism he is actually a Zionist Jew in disguise.
Miller, actually, Cross is an ADL and Southern Poverty Law Center cohort. He is one of them,  no less so than the likes of Abe Foxman and Morris Dees.
He is actually more diabolical than either of these men. With Foxman and Dees there is no doubt about their nature and/or role. With the other, it is far more deceptive and more insidious. That’s why Cross is so dear to them.
He is faking it as a Christian and/or white supremacist. This is an essential role for this arch-Zionist mole, as he uses the “rabid racist” role to blacken the white race. He has always been a Zionist agent, working venomously against the Christians and white people as well as the black people and all others.
There is no other possibility. He joined the Zionists in faking this attack and these phony deaths. He does so while the intelligent, thinking world has called the claims in dispute. Then, as he is the key agent for supporting the lie, what is he other than a Zionist mole?
Regardless, what a perfect headline it is for the cabal:
“Klansman kills three at Jewish Community Centers” or some similar facsimile. He does so while yelling, either before or after, “Heil Hitler.”
Who would fit into that role so completely? Would it be a real racist, a true white supremacist, or would it not be the case, rather, that he is a Zionist mole disguising himself as a racist and/or Jew hater?
It’s simply too convenient. The shooting is fake. Cross is acting directly facilitating the lie. He has not come forward and said it is all a sham and a hoax. Therefore, the person acclaimed as the “rabid” racist and former Klansman, accepting full blame for an event which never occurred, must of necessity be a pro-Israeli mole.

The cop’s got his hand in his pocket. If this man was real, if he was a real shooter, a true murderer, a real threat, then, he wouldn’t do that. Both hands would be available to restrain the individual.
Even though it is fake the Zionists will ride this one hard, playing it strong, attempting to get all the sympathy they can derive from it. Beating the drum of all the horrors they have ‘suffered’, they will broadcast continuously the claim that it was nothing other than a hate crime and that, while escaping any harm, it was the poor Jews who were targeted, in fact, Judaism itself.
They will attach it to (they already have) previous acclaimed shootings at Jewish centers. A warning is issued to such Zionists. Any such previous so-called mass shootings at Jewish centers and synagogues will be analyzed to determine the nature of the fraud. The majority of such ‘shootings’ will prove to be fake or, if real, committed by the Zionists  themselves.
Even so, this one’s got to be real. It was committed by a known white supremacist, who hated Jews. He’s had guns in his possession all his life and knows how to use them. Really? Then, this experienced gunman and hater of Jews as a last hurrah commits the crime of his greatest desire, killing Jews. Or, did he? He missed. The claim is that he slaughtered only Christians.
Actually, the ten-bit coward didn’t should anyone and never has. He didn’t even miss, because no shots were fired.
All those years of Jew-hating and he couldn’t even get it done right and kill a few Jews.  Is he, then, really a hater of Jews and blacks, or is a fake?
The ADL and the SPLC doesn’t like to call Cross by that given name. Instead, they use his alias, Miller. The question is, why? Miller is almost never taken by Jews, but Cross is. So is Frazier, a relatively common given names for people of Jewish ancestry.
The (arch-Zionist) Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracked Cross by his alias, Miller, said that the man founded and ran the Carolina KKK before he was sued by the SPLC “for operating an illegal paramilitary organization and using intimidation tactics against African-Americans.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/04/14/suspect-in-kansas-city-shootings-will-face-hate-crime-charges/
The lawsuit is a fake, as is the tracking. They have no need to track him. He is already there, right in their camp.
From Kevin Barrett’s article in VT, there is this:

Dees and Co. have a hot-line directly to the enemy’s home: how convenient.
So, is he, then, like Zionist mole Omar Bakri a Jew posing as the opposite, that is as an enemy of the Jews?

The Cross family (courtesy of one of our posters) could very well be Jewish through not only Frazier Cross himself but also the mother. The children appear to be of Jewish descent.
That would make him an agent provocateur, a paid mole doing the bidding of the people’s enemy, the Zionist cabal. Such agents are commonly relied upon by hostile forces, like the ADL and SPLC, in order to achieve their diabolical aims. Adam Pearlman and Omar Bakri are ADL collaborators. That’s the system that these deviant groups utilize. Moreover, since the deaths and shootings were faked, then, the actors, too, are fakes. Of necessity, they would be cohorts of the faking entities, which in this case are both the ADL and the SPLC (along with AIPAC).

Even so, this is precisely what the Zionists do. They fake the hate against their own selves to generate public support and sympathy. They do so to distract attention for their vast criminal enterprise. Like all Satans, they simply do not want to be revealed.
It is believe, here, then, that he is not only a fraud and fabricator but that he is Jewish, not Christian.

His hostility, mostly verbal, against Jews, as well as blacks, is therefore an elaborate fraud, just like him:
He is a show-boater. Moreover, he is going it for major pay.  That pay is likely being issued from the ADL itself and/or the southern Poverty Law Center, though surely laundered to hide the source.
He was reactivated from mothballs by the Zionists for one more scam, one additional strike against the hearts and minds of the American people.  "Just put the money in the bank account.  I'll do whatever you want."

The ties between Cross (Miller) and the SPLC are particularly extensive.  So are his ties to Foxman.  In all likelihood Foxman and Dees collaborated with Cross to pull off this hoax, one Sayanim to the other.  The 'direct line' of Dees to Mrs. Cross is surely sufficient evidence that they are the deepest friends and associates, not avowed enemies.
UPDATED:  Thanks to one of our posters, there is this crucial information.  In fact, Cross clearly is a mole and a spy, not merely for the standard Zionist agencies but also for the federal system itself.  His role, ultimately, was to set-up unsuspecting "white men" for criminal charges.

Therefore, "Zionist mole" describes him aptly.

Sources/see also:



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Message For Kentucky From Yahweh (The Eighth Key Holder And Chastisement Within A Week)

Apr 16,2014

Message For Kentucky From Yahweh (The Eighth Key Holder And Chastisement Within A Week)

Apr 162014
 
Friends I made a post about Kentucky a while ago before my awakening two weekends ago. I would never post this new thread again if it was not so important. This is what Yahweh told me in the vision.
Kentucky holds the Eighth key to my Kingdom. If you will have a heart for Yahweh and look to the east mountain range you shall see me.
Fire shall scorch the earth and the red rocks will be blackened. For when the pit of Satan awakes my key shall be free.
Yahweh asks you look for the beginning signs of this from today until next Tuesday one week.
Within this week my key shall be free and the infidels of Satan shall perish under my wrath. Those of you who are pure to Yahweh and perish shall enter my Kingdom.
Thunder from the heavens shall cometh from the sky and this will be the start of the great chastisement.
This is written by Yahweh the father of all. The Two Witnesses shall be my witness
One Of God  (  from a popular forum posted today)

Feds accused of leaving trail of wreckage after Nevada ranch standoff

FEDERAL RELATIONS

Feds accused of leaving trail of wreckage after Nevada ranch standoff

The federal agency that backed down over the weekend in a tense standoff with a Nevada rancher is being accused of leaving a trail of wreckage behind. 
Fox News toured the damage -- allegedly caused by the Bureau of Land Management -- which included holes in water tanks and destroyed water lines and fences. According to family friends, the bureau's hired "cowboys" also killed two prize bulls. 
"They had total control of this land for one week, and look at the destruction they did in one week," said Corey Houston, friend of rancher Cliven Bundy and his family. "So why would you trust somebody like that? And how does that show that they're a better steward?" 
The BLM and other law enforcement officials backed down on Saturday in their effort to seize Bundy's cattle, after hundreds of protesters, some armed, arrived to show support for the Bundy family. In the end, BLM officials left the scene amid concerns about safety, and no shots were fired. 
The dispute between the feds and the Bundy family has been going on for years; they say he owes more than $1.1 million in unpaid grazing fees -- and long ago revoked his grazing rights over concern for a federally protected tortoise. They sent officials to round up his livestock following a pair of federal court orders last year giving the U.S. government the authority to impound the cattle. 
The feds, though, are being accused of taking the court orders way too far. 
On a Friday night conference call, BLM officials told reporters that "illegal structures" on Bundy's ranch -- water tanks, water lines and corrals -- had to be removed to "restore" the land to its natural state and prevent the rancher from restarting his illegal cattle operation. 
However, the court order used to justify the operation appears only to give the agency the authority to "seize and impound" Bundy's cattle. 
"Nowhere in the court order that I saw does it say that they can destroy infrastructure, destroy corrals, tanks ... desert environment, shoot cattle," Houston said. 
Bundy's friends say the BLM wranglers told them the bulls were shot because they were dangerous and could gore their horses. One bull was shot five times. 
But Houston said the pen holding the bull wasn't even bent. "It's not like the bull was smashing this pen and trying tackle people or anything," he said. "The pen is sitting here. It hasn't moved. No damage whatsoever. Where was the danger with that bull?" 
Plus he said BLM vehicles appear to have crushed a tortoise burrow near the damaged water tank. "How's that conservation?" he asked. 
The BLM has not yet responded to a request for comment on these allegations. 
Bundy has refused to pay the grazing fees or remove his cattle, and doesn't even acknowledge the federal government's authority to assess or collect damages. 
The bureau has said if Bundy wasn't willing to pay, then they would sell his cattle. 
However, there was a problem with that plan -- few in Nevada would touch Bundy's cattle for fear of being blacklisted. 
"The sale yards are very nervous about taking what in the past has been basically stolen cattle from the federal government," Nevada Agriculture Commissioner Ramona Morrison said. 
Documents show the BLM paid a Utah cattle wrangler $966,000 to collect Bundy's cattle and a Utah auctioneer to sell them. However, Utah Gov. Gary Herbert refused to let Bundy cattle cross state lines, saying in a letter: "As Governor of Utah, I urgently request that a herd of cattle seized by the Bureau of Land Management from Mr. Cliven Bundy of Bunkerville, Nevada, not be sent to Utah. There are serious concerns about human safety and animal health and well-being, if these animals are shipped to and sold in Utah." 
That letter was sent three days before the BLM round-up, which is why the cattle were still being held Saturday in temporary pens just a few miles from Bundy's ranch. Morrison says BLM was sitting on cattle because it had no way to get rid of them -- setting up a potential tragedy as orphaned calves were not getting any milk and feed costs were about to skyrocket. 
The showdown is far from over. The BLM says it will "continue to work to resolve the matter administratively and judicially," though Bundy still doesn't recognize federal authority over the federal lands that he continues to use in violation of a court order. The federal judge who issued that decision says Bundy's claims "are without merit." 
That order from October 2013 says Bundy owes $200 per day per head for every day he fails to move his cattle. That amounts to roughly $640 million in damages owed to the federal government for illegally grazing his cattle.
William La Jeunesse joined FOX News Channel (FNC) in March 1998 and currently serves as a Los Angeles-based correspondent.

BLM declares Texas is Oklahoma land !

Subject: It is starting in Texas now ! --> BLM declares Texas is Oklahoma land !!!!!

It is starting in Texas now !

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BLM declares Texas is Oklahoma land

 by Craig Masters
Cowboys at the ready
While the world watched, these cowboys sat ready to defend their way of life against more than 200 heavily armed federal agents and snipers hiding in the hills. The agents were sent by Harry Reid’s former senior advisor, 35 year old Neil Kornze, to confiscate open range cattle from the last rancher in Clark County, Nevada
In the  days since Dave Bundy was attacked on a public state highway and arrested for interfering with federal officials (for filming them in action), the details for the reasons behind the “land grab” have become obfuscated by the propaganda machine of the federal government.  Pictures of the BLM agents’ violent actions against the Bundy family members and others began to circulate in the alternative media. Protesters were told to remain behind fences labeled “First Amendment Area” as milita men mobilized from around the country to come to “protect the citizens” from a potential slaughter of Americans that would have surely led to massive armed expansion against the tyranny of the Obama/Reid administration.
Gradually, the real back story has emerged. The original bullhocky story about the cattle endangering desert tortoises fell apart when the truth was discovered that only recently the BLM had gerrymandered the boundaries of endangered habitat and created a mitigation area needed to replace habitat where Harry Reid’s son and a Chinese energy company planned to build a 5 billion dollar solar energy project. The federal subsidies for that project have yet been fully discovered. The BLM web site has been scrubbed of details except for some limited images that got reproduced by Free Republic and now abound on the internet.
However, it takes more than a few days to develop a plan for a 5 billion dollar solar farm covering more than 5000 acres. It is now known that in order for “Non-Governmental Organizations” (the Chinese) to move forward with development of the “Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone” that project will destroy desert habitat in the Zone. Therefore an “offsite mitigation for impacts from solar development” area needed to be established. Those exact words remain available on the reproduced sections of the BLM web pages.What that means is, the developers needed to replace one habit with another. Such a new site would need to be far enough away from the toxic solar energy farm to attract the occasional migrating southwestern willow flycatcher ( a bird more commonly found in southern California and Arizona ). Do flycathers eat flies? Yes. Do cow patties attract flies? Usually.
But ignoring all the developments since 1993, a critical issue still remains. The United States government – we the people – gave 1870′s settlers a promise of an open range for cattle if they would homestead and ranch on the land recently annexed from Mexico. The Bundy family answered that call and have honored their part of the contract ever since. In 1993 the Clinton administration unilaterally decided to completely rewrite the original promise conditions and, like so many treaties the U.S. has signed with so many, we simply threw the original promises in the trash and told the Bundy family to take it or leave it! In this case one and only one rancher, Bundy, told the government he was holding the government to its word. What we have seen then since 1993 is that the word of our government isn’t worth a damn. It seems those 1870′s settlers were told, “If you like your ranch you can keep it.”
Why does the government feel it has the unilateral right to change the contract so completely that no other rancher has been able to continue to make a living? Is the corrupt and borderline criminal, politically powerful Harry Reid, once again pulling another fast and furious land deal? Are the citizens of Nevada placing the interest of Chinese investors and the Reid family higher than the honor of the United States word to the settlers that opened the Nevada territory some one hundred and fifty years ago?
Today, the alternative media has begun to cover another BLM land grab. In Texas, rancher Tommy Henderson is being told the government is confiscating his 90,000 acre ranch along the Red River. Henderson is also told that once the BLM takes his ranch for public land, he might be able to arrange a grazing contract; you know, like Cliven Bundy and his neighbors used to have in Nevada.
Henderson has a clear deed to his land in the state of Texas. He has no back taxes or fines or other issues pending. So how is the BLM taking his family ranch? The BLM has decided to declare that his land is now in Oklahoma and therefore his Texas deed became invalid when the Red River moved its banks south.
If one more federal agent takes one more legal gun from one more American, the rest of us need to put a stop to it – before none of us can!

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"Dirty Harry" won't get made--He'll get even!

Patriots (bcc herein w/permission to forward- See Below Herein),

  As the Board of Directors of The Confederate Society of America points out- Comrade Dirty Harry Re(i)d controls the casinos, developers and the solar power industry out there.
  He will use his position within the District of Criminals to do whatever is NECESSARY to rid himself of this American citizen (Cliven Bundy) and his Ranch to get what he wants.

  Be it the IRS, OSHA, the EPA, etc., or any of the other Gestapo Wings of this National but NO longer Federal Government and if that doesn’t work, the application of the convoluted ‘laws’ he has helped pass allowing for the discriminatory use of FORCE up to and KILLING an American, ‘Legally’, if necessary.

  And if ANYONE thinks these are the machinations emanating from ‘yahoo’s’ clinging to the past, y’all better pick up a World History Book and read how other ‘yahoo’s’ were treated by the same types in government when they refused to get their heads outa their backsides and look Reality in the Face.

“Tomorrow the Official Transformation of America Begins!”- Barack Hussein Obama, election eve 2008.

“To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my Friends carefully.
The more politically active Black students, the Foreign students, the Chicanos, the Marxist professors and the Structural feminists & Pun-Rock performance poets.”

-         Dreams From My Father: A Story of Race & Inheritance- Barack Hussein Obama’s book.
( Y’all should have read it PRIOR to 2008 & certainly before 2012 when you ‘voted’- Did You?)

This is just part of that promised TRANSFORMATION and if you think this is anywhere ‘near’ the same Country it was before 2008 (and things were bad then), then you are part of that other America that has already Surrendered.


We MUST Separate!
‘Played like a Fiddle and Washington is the Riddle’

  Craig Maus,
President, The Confederate Society of America
PS- The Confederacy tried to tell Y’all what would come…and IT HAS!
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Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 11:25 PM
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Subject: "Dirty Harry" won't get made--He'll get even!

Think the Bundy Ranch situation is all over? Think again. The Bundy's won a battle, not a war. The war is yet to come.

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Feds Seize Diamond Bar Ranch in Southwest New Mexico

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Feds Seize Diamond Bar Ranch in Southwest New Mexico
Posted By: Gaian [Send E-Mail]
Date: Wednesday, 16-Apr-2014 13:48:28

Greetings All!
This was brought to my attention by a family member that lives in New Mexico. I had not heard of this before today, so I did some research and found a couple of articles.
I know nothing more, as I just learned of this.
Here is a snip from one article, with a link and then a link to a thread over on Above Top Secret forum.
Blessings and Namaste,
Gaian
{SNIP}
When Kit Laney answered a knock on his door Saturday, law enforcement officers from the U.S. Forest Service handed him a piece of paper announcing his Diamond Bar Ranch in southwest New Mexico would be shut down Wednesday and his 300 head of cattle grazing there would be removed – one way or the other.
Other Forest Service officials were busy nailing similar notices on fence posts along the highway and informing neighbors that after Feb. 11, they should not attempt to enter the Diamond Bar property.
Laney was not surprised. He knew someday there would be an on-the-ground confrontation to enforce a 1997 court ruling which says his cattle are trespassing on federal land. That day has arrived.
{END SNIP}
Link to above article:http://www.americasfreedomfighters.com/2014/04/12/feds-seize-familys-ranch-property-owners-fight-government-land-grab/
Link to ATS thread:http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1007610/pg1