OPPT, Max Igan Speaks To Mel Ve

Max Igan Speaks To Mel Ve

Freedom Central

February 28, 2013

http://removingtheshackles.blogspot.com/


Now this is a very interesting read from  observers about OPPT...it is an excerpt from an interview that eventually gets to the subject of OPPT  that is why I copied and pasted it..  I think he is right on up to the continued where they bring in some other subjects in relation to OPPT and other peoples opinions


Mel: Mmm. Okay. So, you were talking about the system existing only on paper. You put out a lovely interview recently with the discussion panel from OPPT. I’m very interested to get your perspective. Obviously there’s a lot going around; there’s a lot of people trying to debunk this. You’re an intelligent man, and definitely very aware, what do you foresee and how do you see it?
Max: Look, the heart of the OPPT is the UCC filing that says that if you BE, then you are answerable only to the Creator…okay? Now, people may look at this and, now all the other parts of it. It’s interesting, all the filings that they went through to get to that filing and all this sorta stuff… interesting, interesting stuff. I’ve heard a lot of discussion about it. I’ve heard a lot of opinions of it, about it, but I haven’t heard anybody debunk that filing. The essence of this, really, that I see...look, I could be wrong…this is just my idea, but the essence of this is it’s all a corporate system. Every government is corporate system. I’ve seen on so many radio shows and I’ve done films about it where I said that one of the real problems that we face, is that the entire human experience has been reduced to commerce. So it’s all commerce. You go to a magistrate’s court, commercial court, get a parking ticket. It’s a commercial activity; everything is commerce. The interesting thing with this is that all commerce comes under the Uniform Commercial Code. If our governments are commerce and everything, every time a police officer comes and gives you a fine, it’s commerce. The government gives you a fine, because you slip outside one of their rules; it’s commerce. That’s the system that controls us.
Okay, so that is all run by the Uniform Commercial Code, which controls every single aspect of all commercial activity on this planet. If countries wanna interact with each other, they have to comply with the Uniform Commercial Code. It’s an American code, doesn’t matter. Everybody performs commerce…all under this code. So what I see the OPPT has done is they’ve made this filing under the UCC. So people say ‘they’ve used the UCC system blah blah blah they’re slamming into the UCC’. They’re not, what they’ve done is they’ve made this filing to say well ‘You BE. If you are alive, then you are no longer subservient to anything. Without a contract basically, because you’re answerable only to the Creator, whatever you perceive the Creator to be.
If you are going to come along and enforce your system upon me and give me a fine, give me anything like this…all this comes under UCC. So that’s fine, if you’re gonna come along and give me a fine, give me a parking ticket, whatever. Say you have jurisdiction over me, whatever. Happy to agree…all you have to do is debunk this filing. You have to rebut this filing that says under your UCC filling, that’s filed under UCC. You have to debunk this filing that says that I’m answerable only to the Creator, because if you’re going to come and use me for commerce and expect money from me, you are claiming that you’re a higher authority than my Creator or you’re claiming you created me. So you need to debunk this filing, because if you’re gonna use the UCC system against me, you can’t do that while this filing stands. So that’s what I see in it. That’s really the heart of it. To me it makes sense; that one particular aspect makes sense.
I’ve heard a lot of talks about the CVACS. I’ve heard a lot of talk about digital currency. I’ve heard a lot of talk about all sorts of aspects that are freaking people out. I’ve had trepidations. I’ve been looking at it and thinking well, this is almost too good to be true. But really, it comes down to that filing. In all the opinions that I’ve heard everybody offer, I have not yet heard anybody rebut the filings. So what I would say to people out there who are speaking out against it: Tami Peppererman, and Winston Shrout and a lot of people. Look, I love all these peoples’ work. I think we should all work together on this, because this could be something quite good. So with everything people are saying, what I’d like to see from all of these people, is someone actually rebut the UCC filings, because that’s ultimately what it’s all about. If this whole corporate system comes under UCC law, and this filing stands unrebutted in UCC law, then it stands as law.
And so that means that what Heather seems to have done is using their tools, she has freed us from their law should we choose to be free...should we choose to be free. Those who still want to remain in the slavery system, it’s there. You can do that; it’s all about contractual agreement. If you wanna continue to grant these people your jurisdiction, that’s fine, but it can’t hurt to ask the question. That if you’re going to exercise your right of ownership over me, or claim that you can do commerce with me, according to a system that exists under UCC law, then you sure as hell rebut this filing. Says I, me, because I BE, because I’m alive. I’m only answerable to the Creator. Because if you can’t rebut it, then you can’t use that UCC system against me to extract money from me. That’s kinda what I see in it, so yeah, correct me if I’m wrong.
Like I said, I’m not interested in the CVACS. I’m not interested in the $10 billion or whatever they’re saying. I don’t care. I just wanna walk into the forest and build a house. I wanna be free of the system. I want to have the tools to show that I’m free, because I’ve kind of used this stuff anyway. If I’ve been in a position where I’ve had to stand in the power of my flesh, I’ve done so because I never understood why anybody could claim to have a right of ownership over me. That’s all I really see in this filing. I see that someone’s done that for the world. There’s people saying that ‘she didn’t get permission to be a trustee from me, who gives her the right to this and who gives her the right’. Look, hey, if you’re gonna free yourself, if you’re gonna build an alternate society to free yourself, all your doing is running away and hiding and allowing the world to be destroyed around you. Eventually you’re gonna be eaten up later. I’ve often said that I don’t wanna rise from the pile, I wanna take the pile with me. I don’t wanna rise from the ranks, I wanna take the ranks with me. If there’s one person enslaved, then I’m enslaved. I don’t want to build an alternate society, I wanna fix this one.
So what’s the point of making the UCC filings or something like this, what Heather’s done, to free yourself if you don’t bring the rest of the world with you? If someone’s gonna complain about well, ’I didn’t say she had to be a trustee for me, and perhaps they’re gonna use this system to enslave me’…well how can they? Unless they can rebut the original filing that says you’re only answerable to the Creator, because if they’re gonna create anything...any law, any maxim, any guideline within the CVAC system or anything they’re gonna create...that’s gonna affect you in a way that you don’t want to be affected. Then they would have to rebut their original filing which is unrebuttable, because you are only answerable to the Creator. That’s my opinion on it. If you want to prove me wrong out there anybody, and you say that I’m falling into some trap, well hey, this is just the way I’ve been living my life for the last fifty five years and it’s worked for me. Now I just see it as a UCC filing. To me that heart of it, that original filing that says you’re only answerable to the Creator; that’s the important part. All the rest of it is irrelevant; it’s all for people who need the nanny state. Actually I don’t even think we’ll even need most of that, but none of it’s set in stone anyway I don’t think. It’s just ideas they’re putting forward, so be interesting to see where it all goes anyway.
Mel:  Absolutely. I’ll be honest with you. I’m still quite optimistic about the OPPT, because the thing about what they’ve done as you said, is that the basic core principal of it. On such a deep level when I heard it, I can’t ignore that spark that went off inside me. It was a recognition of something and that I’ve always gone with. If I get that feeling I know it’s something right, it’s something good.
I think for now it’s gonna take someone to actually go to court and use this and to have the court actually somehow try and rebut it for it to fail. For me, I think now what they’ve done is given us very practical tools that we could potentially use. It’s very, very smart of them. I think Heather’s very intelligent with what she’s done. I feel sorry for people who can’t see the beauty in what has happened. I think there was a lot if fear mongering that’s been done by certain members of the alternative media that have probably got a lot of people into this particular state. I see these people as uninformed; the same people going on about OPPT,  going on about the Satanists, the pedophiles, the Satanists, the pedophiles…constantly. Yeah?
Max: It’s programs. It’s all programs people are running. I mean to me that’s the core of it. I’m only answerable to the Creator. It says that in this filing and I’ve always known that, so how can this OPPT system create any slavery mechanism for me if that filing stands unrebutted? That’s the thing; that’s the heart of the matter.
So like I said, if you’re out there and you’re speaking out against us. What I’ve seen as well as a lot of people falling back into law, I heard Tami Pepperman talking to someone the other day. She fell back into ‘yeah, but how would this stand with the Hague?’ What? The Hague’s fiction. The Hague comes way way way below you and the Creator.  So where’s the Hague fit in between you and God? What’s going on here? See this is what I mean, people are falling back into legal fiction. Okay, fine…happy to go to the Hague…all you have to do is show me that the Hague has higher jurisdiction than what I perceive my Creator to be. Because the Hague comes under UCC law simply because it will fine people. It will take their life; it will use this system. It’s a commercial activity, so it all comes under UCC law. If it happens on the globe today and there’s any financial exchange or any dollar value put on anything, then it comes under UCC law. So how does the Hague have any relevance at all? To any of this? So this is what I’m seeing with it.
I think it has a possibility to be really big and to actually free us if people get involved in it. Now I’ve heard people say ‘oh this is a dragnet, anybody who files these forms, it’s a dragnet’. Well you don’t have to file any forms. All you’re doing is handing in Courtesy Notices and saying hey, this filing stands unrebutted. If you are going to conduct business with me or you wanna issue a fine to me, you need to rebut this UCC filing. Because according to this, I’m not answerable to your system. Your system comes under UCC, does it not? So therefore, this filing stands unrebutted, under the UCC system you’re intending to use against me. So you please need to rebut this filing, because I think I’m seeing that the playing field has changed. Happy to pay the fine, just rebut this filing for me; give me a signed affidavit, declaration signed, proving that this is,  happy to pay your fine.
How can you go wrong from doing that? If they can’t rebut the filing, then hey, guess what? You’re free. As long as you don’t hurt anybody else. You don’t cause any damage to anybody else or anything; it’s all good.  Where’s the problem with this? That’s what I’m seeing. I mean when freedom comes, I’ve always thought the shift that we’re gonna go through has gotta be something that we participate in.

---------------continues bringing in other aspects and differences of opinion
Max: I think this gives us the means to participate in it, if we choose to do so. If a lot of people don’t get involved and we don’t bring this out into the mainstream and start having  public meetings about it, well it could well be used as a dragnet. Because the media will just spin it any way they want. People will get swept up and taken away and put in FEMA camps. It could absolutely do that, so there’s a dangerous side to it as well. But ultimately, I can’t see how anyone can rebut what this filing says and that one filing, as I said, is the heart of the matter. So that’s what I’d like to see from all of the detractors. I’d like to see them rebut the actual filing, because in all the rhetoric, in all the opinions, I have not seen anybody rebut the filing.
Mel: It’s interesting you mention the Tami Pepperman interview, because I did think it added quite good contrast for people who get it and people who don’t. She’s clearly someone who feels she needs someone’s permission to be free.
Max: Well look, she’s a very informed lady and she knows about who filed what. She knows how the legal system works. She’s a very informed lady and ten points to her, but when we understand it’s all a commercial system. I’m not a lawyer; I don’t know if she is either. I’m just looking at it logically and I know I’m free. I know I’m answerable to my Creator. I’ve been telling people this on films and radio for the last five or six years and that’s the way I live my life. I’m fifty five. I’ve never voted. I’ve never paid taxes. I’ve never really been involved in the system at all. I’m still free, so I must be doing something right. I know I’m only answerable to the Creator, so I don’t see why the Hague or anything has anything to do with it.
God love Tami Peppermann, she’s done some great stuff, but I think there’s a higher harmonic. What I’d like to see is Tami Pepperman and Winston Shrout and Frank O’ Collins, and all these people get together and actually see if they can rebut the filings. But all I wanna see from someone, okay, either rebut the filings or show me proof of claim that the unrebutted UCC filing does not become law under UCC. That all these countries and all corporatations and all business on the planet does not come under UCC law. That’s the thing; it all comes under UCC law. If you’re saying it doesn’t, well show me proof of claim. You don’t have to rebut Heather’s filings then, because there’s two ways you can rebut it. You can rebut Heather’s filings that you’re not answerable to the Creator or you can show me proof of claim that all commerce on this planet does not come under UCC law.
So there’s that, there’s the fact that an unrebutted filing stands as law, because that’s what’s claimed as well. It’s hard for us to know this because we’re not lawyers; we don’t know UCC law. But if a claim is made in any legal system, in any type of law, if a claim is made and it stands unrebutted then it must become law, mustn’t it? Really? Now if I say to you that you’re white. No, no, I’m a black woman. You come forward and you’re black, well there you go. I’ve just seen proof of claim; the claim is now rebutted. You know what I’m saying? But if you hide in the shadows and just scream out ‘no no I’m black, I’m black’ from the shadows, how do I know that you’re black? You know what I’m saying just as an example? So it’s that simple? You’ve got to show proof of claim. If they’re claiming that this doesn’t work, well, rebut the filing. That’s what I’m seeing. I’d like to see everybody get together, because I’m seeing a lot of people where they’ve got some vested interest. I can understand this because they’ve done a lot of work. I’ve spent twenty years working out this system or twenty years that. Frank O’Collins has done some fantastic work.
Mel: Yes
Max: He’s got his own canons. He’s got a whole new system worked out, the Ucadia system. But because of that he’s also got a vested interest in the Ucadia system. What if this filing frees us from all that? What if this filing gives us a chance to implement the Arcadian system? Why can’t he be working with the people who are working on the CVACs? Why can’t we all work together on this to see? Okay, if this filing can’t be rebutted, and this whole system comes under UCC, well let’s all work together and work out the best system that’s gonna free humanity. Because now we have the tools to do it. There’s a lot of people I think that want to be the one who saved the world. They wanna be the one. They want it their way. They want it tto be his system. They’re not prepared to look outside of the box that they’ve created for themselves. As knowledgeable as they are, and all due respect to all of these people, let’s bring it all together, because this could possibly work. Because what I’m seeing from that original filing, how can you rebut that? How can you rebut it? It’s unrebuttable. So it’s getting done by a UCC lawyer. There’s people saying ‘oh she’s an attorney, she’s got an oath to the BAR’. No, she cancelled her BAR association. ‘Oh, she cancelled it’. ‘She had an oath and she’s gotta swear another oath’. Why? They’re just words; it’s a spell.
Mel: Yeah.
Max: Can’t she just BE who she wants to BE? And BE who she is? Why does it have to be related to a spell, another oath? What is an oath? What does this mean? You have what? If you break your oath, you have to swear another oath to say that you broke your oath?  What’s this all about?
Mel: Yeah.
Max: It’s a spell, a Vatican spell; it’s a Roman spell. Forget it, it’s word magic. All you have to do is BE in your heart, so why can’t we all come together on this? That’s what I’d like to see. I wanna see everybody really look at it and put aside their agenda, put aside everything they’ve done, all the work that they’ve done. See if we cannot at this time, this crucial time in history, bring about a real positive change. Bring it all together. Merge it all together; bring it all together. Put down the division. Nobody, there is no one person who’s right. But everything they’re doing with the CVACs, who knows whether that’s all right? Let’s bring it all together and see what we can come up with. I think that this is an opportunity. All this division, I mean if worst comes to worst, if this all turns out to be rubbish, the amount of public attention it’s creating to the fact that we’re all enslaved to a corporate UCC system…it’s fantastic.
Mel: Yes.
Max: So the worst that’s gonna come of this is a huge amount of public awareness that the whole system is incredibly corrupt. So it can’t hurt. Talking about this, it can’t hurt bringing this to as much public attention as possible. Bring it all together; that’s what I wanna see.
Mel: Absolutely. Oh you know what Max? I couldn’t have said it better myself, honestly. I really would like to see everybody working together on this, because I do think at the end of the day, really when it comes to down to it, ultimately the tribute to humanity is we all want the same thing. Really.
Max: We do. Everyone’s scared about the New World Order: ‘Oh this is gonna be the New World Order. This is gonna be the New World Order’. Every approach everybody takes, if it’s about unity and freedom and equality for everybody, ‘Oh no, this is communist, this is the New World Order’. Well look, we don’t want the New World Order that the government is bringing us, that the powers-that-be want to usher. We certainly don’t want the Old World Order. People seem to perceive any change to the old paradigm as the New World Order. Look what the old paradigm’s done, it’s brought us to this state of disrepair that we’re currently in…what? People actually want this state to stay the same? Of course they don’t, we want change. We all want change. Alex Jones wants change, everybody wants change.
It doesn’t matter where you are in this whole thing. It doesn’t matter if you’re even screaming out fear. You still want change. Everybody wants change. But they’re not prepared to change from this old corrupt system which has brought us to this point. We do need a new world order, but it needs a new world order that is controlled by the People and brought about by the People. We don’t even need order. We need a new world whatever, but we need a new world. We certainly don’t need to maintain what we’ve got. But we need to control where this new world is going to go. So I think now is the time when we can bring it all together, but don’t reject throwing aside this old paradigm because this old paradigm is completely dysfunctional. It’s enslaved everybody. It’s created all this pollution, all this degradation. It’s turned Earth into the state that it’s in today and it’s not acceptable. So we need to cast aside that paradigm and we need to create a new one. That old paradigm was a corporate paradigm. This has now brought it to the attention of the People; that is the worst thing it’s done. It’s brought it to the attention of the People. Even if it’s all wrong, it won’t work. Well, it’s still brought it to the attention of the People. But seeing as how it is a corporate system and it does function under UCC, I don’t know how it can be a bad thing?
Mel: Yeah. For sure. Well, I look forward to that my friend. Realistically though, where do you see things going forward?
Max: Where do I see things going forward? Well it comes down to us. It comes down to whether we want to embrace something new and change the paradigm or whether we’re just gonna continue along the way we are. If we’re gonna continue along the way we are, we’re gonna fight every change and every turn ,then we’re heading down a very, very bad path. The path to transhumanism, the path of Agenda 21, the dispossession of the First World, the transfer of wealth to the Third World, the disconnection of some of the last People that are still connected to Reality; some of the last People that are still connected to the Earth. Over the next hundred fifty to a hundred years, we’ll see humankind merge with machines and completely get disconnected from the planet if we don’t pay attention. But we have a opportunity to change it right now, but everyone’s resisting the change. Everyone wants to stay in the old paradigm. So the choice is ours. It could go either way.
All these things, I put Agenda 21…the way they do it Mel is…they transfer wealth all around the planet. Like they build up society, like they build up the First World and by building it up and getting us concentrating on all of this superficial rubbish they’ve been giving...television and fashion. It’s what you look like and it’s what you’re wearing, your social status and all the rubbish they feed you through television. We’ve been brutalized; human consciousness has been absolutely brutalized in the First World. The First World has now got a really really superficial understanding of reality, and a really superficial understanding of themselves.
Even the relationships that people have, they’ve really really messed up relations in the First World. It’s usually about lust now. Very, very seldom do you see natural relationships developing with kids these days. So, they build up this First World and it’s completely disconnected. Living in this completely plastic matrix that’s reality where all your relationships are messed up. They’re all superficial or what you believe is valuable is all superficial. Creating this First World society, they impoverish the Third World at the same time, because they introduce a monetary system to them and they get them enslaved to this monetary system they use to milk all the resources to create the First World. Then you give the people in the Third World all mobile phones and televisions and stuff and they see the First World from the perspective of the television and they want it. So they start getting disconnected from their reality as well, disconnected from nature, start thinking about superficial relationships.
So what you do then is you crash the First World. You take all the wealth out of it, turn it into the Fourth World and you transfer it all to the Third World and build them up into the First World. So over a period of two or three generations, they get completely disconnected from reality as well. They become like what the First World just wants. Meanwhile, in the First World, you’ve turned it into the Fourth World, but these people are so dependent on money they think it’s real. They think the system’s real; they’ll go work in the mines. They’ll go do anything you want them to do, because they’re so dependent on money that they’ll do anything to collect the paper they believe they need to feed their children.
So you’ve completely disconnected them from nature. You’ve turned them into this. You can just transfer them/ transform them into whatever you want. You can turn them into a complete slave race. You notice there’s only chemtrails in the First World? There’s no chemtrails in the Third World, no chemtrails in China. It’s all through Europe, all through America, England, Australia. Anywhere that’s First World is all being sprayed with chemtrails as they’re crashing the economies of these places and transferring all the wealth to the Third World. They do that right across the board and eventually they disconnect everybody from nature, so we lose that connection to the planet. We lose our connection ourselves and we just become this huge worker race. That’s the way it’s done. I might’ve gone a bit off topic with all that, I dunno.
Mel: No, that’s amazing analysis actually and very succinct. Well, I’m quite hopeful for humanity, simply because I see people coming forward with stuff like. Having spoken with Heather and having really poked a bit around it, I guess, the spiritual matter, if you want to put a finer point on it. I really do feel that she’s got humanity’s best intentions at heart. Whatever the OPPT is all about, I think if anything it’s symbolic of what we can do if we just use our common-sense. Because it is a thing, as you say, from one point where we stand, where you stand. I can’t seem to, in any logical point of view, argue against that one point about, ultimately we are answerable only to the Creator. It’s just so deeply ingrained to me that I just don’t see how it’s arguable.
Max:  Yeah that’s it. It’s an unrebuttable claim and it’s a claim that’s filed under UCC and the entire system comes under UCC. So that one claim, because it’s filed within the system that’s used to enslave us, it means that that system can’t enslave us any more unless you can rebut that claim, if we choose to question it on this filing.
Mel: Yeah.
Max: Because hey, if you’re gonna use that system against people, well like I said, you sure as hell better be able to rebut this claim ‘cause that’s what it says.
Mel: I’m inspired by these people. I really am. I’m inspired by the people like Heather and people like yourself who can see it for what it is and who are taking some form of action whatever it is even if it’s just on paper. Yeah?
Max: Well yeah, and like I said, the worst it can do really is wake everybody up to this is the way it works. I can’t see anybody, with all the opinions they’ve offered, I can’t see anybody rebut that claim, and that is the basis of the whole system, so how can the system that has that as its core do anything to enslave me that I don’t  agree to? It can’t.
Mel: I think it’s the kind of people like that who are doing things. I’m so optimistic for the outlook of humanity. I really do think we’ve passed a precipice into a different time, where things can be made better. We’ve been given the tools and I’m excited; I feel like there’s a new spark. For a long time, I’ve fought this. It really did feel like a bit of a battle in the alternative media trying to get to people and constantly taking knocks from people who just totally didn’t agree. The sacrifices of trying to wake family up who didn’t wanna know, but I got to a certain point that really did come when I heard about: yes, we’ve finally been given tools by people that understand. There are people out there doing things and for that reason I’m very optimistic. I think right now, the responsibility of people like you and me and Lisa Harrison, is to try and bring these people together to work a solution as opposed to picking each other apart.
Max: Yeah. Well, we’ve got an opportunity now that’s brought it to the forum. Everybody’s talking about this, but it’s all arguments for and against. Well, let’s get everybody together at the same table and say look, we all want to change things, how do we go about it?  Because we can’t expect this system to do it, how do we empower the People? If we’re gonna show the People out there…your average Joe Friday who works in the suburbs and watches the football and eats meat pies for dinner…if we can’t convince this person that he’s free and show him on paper that he’s free, he’s never gonna feel free. He’s never going to stand up to make any positive change. If people don’t do this, it’s down. We’re heading for a very very bad place. It’ll mean the end of all freedom on this planet if we don’t reign this system in.
We’ve gotta find a mechanism to do it. This gives us the opportunity to, even if everybody disagrees on it the way they are, it’s still an opportunity because now all these people are talking. They might be arguing, but they’re still talking. They’re all communicating with each other. It’s brought a lot of people onto the table together. It’s brought a lot of people onto the same playing field, so now it’s time to put them all together and to hammer it out and see what we can come up with. So we got something, imagine something that we all agree on. Where no-one has an agenda, it isn’t about your way being the right way. It’s about something that works for everybody. Freedom and self-responsibility where no-one gets harmed; where everybody is one hundred percent accountable for their actions and accountable for themselves. That’s what we need and this gives us the opportunity to bring that about. If people can put down their egos and stop thinking that their way’s the right way, we’ve all got a piece of the puzzle. Everybody’s got a piece of the puzzle, so let’s bring it all together. Instead of pointing the finger and calling the other guy the enemy, let’s all get together and start working out what actually works and what actually doesn’t, because we have a real opportunity here.
Mel:  Beautifully put…thanks Max. I think we’re gonna finish this off. I’ve only got one last thing I wanted to ask you and that is do you have any one last final message for humanity?
Max: Oh look, I think everything that I just said.
Mel: I know…(laughter)…you’ve covered it pretty well.
Max:  Wake up to yourselves. It’s all I can share. A lot of these problems are opportunities. We’ve got to do something now. What we’ve got to do more than anything is find ourselves. So don’t let all the rhetoric get in the way. Don’t fall prey to the word magic. Don’t fall under the spells; all of this stuff. Don’t fall under your own spell. We often do that. We get to a point where our way is the only way and we find fault with everybody else. We’re not prepared to think outside of our own box we create for ourselves. We’ve gotta put all of this aside.
We all knew this was gonna be a time of shift. It’s just that everybody thought the shift was gonna be what they thought it was going to look like. I tell ya, this whole OPPT thing, it’s nothing like I thought it was gonna look like. All the arguments I’ve seen against it have all been falling back into the law. They’ve all been falling back into word magic. They’ve all been falling back into programs; usually Roman programs, Vatican programs, Satan versus God programs, all this sorta stuff. All programs, these are all programs, all designed to divide people. Now we’ve got an opportunity here where everything is finally on the table and this could be a mechanism that you could use to wake up Joe Public. He could wake up to the fact that this makes sense and if you can fault it, please make a rebuttal. Don’t offer an opinion, just make a rebuttal. I think half the people that we’re hearing on this, they’re not actually going and reading the filing. Go read the filing and then if you can find a way of rebutting these filings, then rebut them. If you can’t, then show us proof of claim that all commerce on this planet does not come under UCC, and that an unrebutted UCC filing stands as the law within the UCC system. Show me those two things and if you can’t, then let’s all get together and work together on this, and find a way to create a New Paradigm…because we can’t go on with the old one, it doesn’t work.
We can’t let the ship of state just continue to sail along in the direction that it has been for so many years, while we sit here and argue amongst each other over different aspects of how we think of how the new paradigm should look. We have to realize that it’s not gonna look like any of us thought it would look like. It’s gonna be a creation, a manifestation of seven billion different souls, seven billion different minds and different perspectives of Reality. So we gotta stop arguing amongst ourselves and we gotta bring this all together and realize our way is not the only way. We all have a piece of the puzzle and it can work if we suddenly realize that we are all in this together and start living our lives In Lak’ech. That’s my message to the world.
Mel: Beautiful. Thank you Max. It’s really been an honor and a privilege and a long overdue wait to get the interview with you, but I think all the timing was really good. It will be a well suited interview for what’s going on at the moment. I look forward to speaking to you again.
Max: Well, it’s been a pleasure to come on Mel. Thank you for asking me on and I’m sure we’ll catch up again in the future.
Mel: Love to. Alright Max. Thanks a lot, take care, have a good evening.
Max: Okay.
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