Wednesday, October 16, 2013

Tony Wed. Call Notes from Montana at TNT Forum

Tony Wed. Call Notes from Montana at TNT Forum

10/16/2013


THIS IS TNT DINAR'S Call Notes for WEDNESDAY, October 16, 2013 at 1:00PM pm EST and I apologize for anything missing.

Always keep in mind, that this is what I heard and transcribed.   It's Tony's info and opinion - based on what he's received via sources in the Dinar community and the World.

Feel free to always verify what you hear, and do your own due diligence.  

Thank you for being a part of TNT DINAR.

Have a great day! :)   Montana

GOOD MORNING TNT…I THINK ITS A SUPER FANTASTIC DAY ALREADY
THAT'S THE DAY I'M EXPECTING
I HAVE A SINUS PROB. THIS MORN.
WILL TAKE AS MANY CALLS AS I CAN
IT WILL BE A LITTLE DIFF....LOOKED AT THE BOARDS
IF YOU ASK ONE QUESTION WE CAN GET MORE PPL THRU AND MOVE IT ALONG

OCTOBER 16TH, 10AM, PST…HERE WE GO.
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GUYS I KNOW YOU HAD A LONG DAY YESTERDAY
THINK I WAS TRYING TO DO YOU A FAVOR AND GIVE YOU A PEACEFUL DAY
BELIEVE ME, YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE THE DAY I HAVE WHEN I DON'T DO A CALL.......OR AFTER A CALL
THE CALLS FROM THE DIFF. PLACES
AND IT CHANGES FROM HOUR TO HOUR
DON'T WANT YOU TO GO THRU THAT DAILY - THINK YOU CAN HANDLE IT
FEW MORE CIGARS COUPLE MORE DRINKS
ITS CRAZY

AND THIS IS WHY ITS SO QUIET THIS MORN
BECAUSE EVERYTHING FOR THE RV TO GO THRU IS COMPLETE EXCEPT FOR THE ACTIVATION
SO NOT A LOT OF NEWS LEFT FOR THE RV IS CONCERNED

NOTHING TO DO W/ IRAQ
TOLD YOU FOR WEEKS AND DAYS
TOLD YOU IN APRIL ALL THE DECISIONS WERE MADE AND AGREED UPON
STOPPED HEARING ABOUT IT IN THE NEWS
OTHERS TOLD YOU WE HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE THIS TO HAPPEN
BUT ITS GOING TO HAPPEN AT ONE TIME
AGREED UPON
OVER HERE
THEY TRIED TO DO IT BEFORE THE DEBT. CEILING/GOV SHUTDOWN
COULD HAVE…BUT DIDN'T
SO NOW ITS PART OF THE ISSUE

WE REALIZE THAT BY NOW
SO TO FOLLOW WHATS HAPPENING ALL YOU HAVE TO DO AT THIS POINT IS TO WATCH TV
OR TO KNOW BEHIND THE SCENES
BUT....
I COULD TELL YOU IF YOU DO WANT TO KNOW
BUT HALF THE TIME I DIDN'T WANT TO KNOW MYSELF
DIDN'T WANT IT TO GET INTO THE POLITICS IT GOT INTO
REALLY SCARY STUFF
IN THAT WE CAME THIS CLOSE AND WHAT COULD HAPPEN AFTER

THE DEAL IS DONE…AND DONE LAST NIGHT
SENATE PUT IT ON THE FLOOR…HOUSE WAS GOING TO PASS IT
AND 3PM THE PRES. HAS IT ON HIS DESK
4PM MEET W/ THE IMF AND THE UST
AND FROM THAT POINT…..CLEAR SAILING

AND WE'LL SEE IT WHEN WE SEE IT…THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE
WHATS TODAY
THE DRAMA ENDED TILL JAN.
BUT YOU'LL HAVE MONEY IN YOUR BANK ACCT. AND WONT' CARE
SO WHAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT NOW IS HOW IT CAME TO BE
WE DON'T WANT TO GET POLITICAL THOUGH
DEF. CHANGES IN THE GOV. FROM WHAT HAPPENED
AND CHANGES IN PARTIES FROM THE LAST 2 WEEKS
AND I'M SURE YOU'LL BE PART OF THAT, MOVE MONEY AROUND AS MULTI MILLIONAIRES
WE ARE STILL THE MINORITY AND WON'T BE ABLE TO CHANGE THE GOV. ON OUR OWN

THE RV #S ARE STILL HIGH NUMBERS…..THE ONLY ? IS THE 30 DAYS
I THINK WE'LL STILL GET THE 30 DAYS TO COMPLETE THE TRANSACTION
BUT DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL GET THE HIGH NUMBERS FOR 30 DAYS
SHOULD HAVE 800 NUMBERS TO DO THE APPT.S HASN'T CHANGED
THE ONE NOTE HASN'T CHANGED
IF YOU'RE APPT. IS A FEW WEEKS AGO
CASH ONE NOTE AT SEVERAL BANKS

AS OF THIS MORN. THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO NEGOTIATE FROM THIS POINT 
THE BANKS DIDN'T GO IN MON. AND TUES THEY WERE ON CALL….NOT STANDBY
THIS MORN. THEY WERE ON CALL…AND THEN ON STANDBY
AND AS OF NOW, THEY DO HAVE A TIME TO BE IN
CASH OUT, CALL CENTER AND SECURITY, WERE ALL NOTIFIED TO BE IN TODAY
IF IT ALL GOES ACCORDING TO SCHEDULE
IT COULD CHANGE
BUT IF IT STAYS, WE ARE CLEAR TO GO
CLEAR SAILING
OK....


LET ME CLEAR THIS REAL QUICK, UPDATED MESSAGES, MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING EXCITING, NO DOUBT IT…I'LL BE HONEST, NOT TILL WAY LATER THIS EVENING
I'LL TELL YOU THAT AND TAKE TODAY
BUT WHAT I'D DO RIGHT NOW, KNOW WHERE MY $$ IS , AND MY DOCUMENTS, TRUSTS, FOUNDATIONS, ETC…..WHICH BANK TO USE
AND KNOW THAT I'VE GIVEN OUT THE LETTERS TO PPL THAT I'VE GIVEN DINAR TOO
SO IN CASE THERE IS A TAX
AND MY PLAN OF ATTACK
AFTER WE CALL YOU AND TELL YOU THAT ITS LIVE
AND PUT THE NUMBERS OUT THERE
I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO THAT
I GUESS WE CAN PUT THE BASE NUMBERS UP
UNTIL I SIGN THE NDA
BECAUSE THEY ARE THE BASE NUMBERS
AND WE CAN GO TO THE BANKS ONLINE SYSTEM

BEFORE WE TAKE QUESTIONS
I WANT YOU TO KNOW WHAT I'M LOOKING AT
PAM AND RAY FORGOT TO REMIND ME
RAY- DON'T FORGET THE 100$
LOL
WE GOT THE 100 DOLLAR BILL, VERY COLORFUL AND LOOKS GOOD
AND IT SAYS FEDERAL RESERVE NOTE
DOESN'T SAY TREASURY NOTE
AND BRINGING IT UP FOR   A REASON
PPL KEEP POSTING ABOUT THE REPUBLIC AND THE TAKEOVER OF THE GOV. AND THE IRS IS GONE AWAY AND DON'T PAY TAX BILLS,  ETC..
THE GOV. SHUT DOWN EVERY OTHER OFFICE....
NOT ON THE NEWS, THAT THE US IS NO LONGER COLLECTING TAXES
YOU GET PPL IN TROUBLE LISTENING TO THIS MESS
A YEAR AGO
HEARING ABOUT TREASURY NOTES
AND I TOLD YOU, ITS STILL A FED. RES NOTE
NOT THE PHYSICAL MONEY
AND PPL TRY TO CONVINCE YOU THAT IT DID
IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO ANYONE AND NEVER DID
OUR GOV. DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY
AND WAKE UP ONE MORNING .....
AND NOT TELL THE REST OF THE WORLD OR COUNTRY THAT THEIR MONEY IS NO GOOD
AND MAKE YOU ALL FEARFUL
ALL NONSENSE THEN AND ALL NONSENSE NOW

LETS GO ON
HAVE A HARD TIME EVEN TALKING ABOUT IT - SO RIDICULOUS
SOME ACTUAL BELIEVED IT
BE CAREFUL
YOU'LL RUN INTO LOTS OF SITUATIONS LIKE THAT
AND GO THRU IT IN YOUR MIND
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE??????
NO!!!!!
LET ME DO QUESTIONS REAL QUICK

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THE IMF INVOLVEMENT AND EARLY EXCHANGES BY THE SELECT FEW

Does Tony feel that those that would rather not see us with the higher rate are using the political process to run out the clock so the IMF would have to step in, thus insuring the lower rate?
UM, I DON'T THINK ALL OF THIS IS ABOUT THE RV ITSELF, THIS IS POLITICAL, LONG ONE, THERE ARE SOME PPL THAT ARE TRYING TO CHANGE OUR GOV. AND NO THEY AREN'T ARRESTING EVERYONE IN ONE DAY, NO, NONE OF THAT NONSENSE, THEY'LL VOTE THEM IN AND OUT, AND DO BELIEVE THERE ARE SOME THAT FORCED A CHANGE, ITS NOT HOW THEY DO THINGS HERE, WE DON'T CRASH AND BURN SO WE CAN REBUILD IT, IF THERE WAS A WAY WITHOUT AFFECTING THE WORLD, WE PROLLY WOULD DO IT, START W/ MONETARY SYSTEM, DID SOME HAVE A FEAR OF THAT, YES,  IT GOES WITH --- FOR 10 YEARS OR 3 YEARS –

WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE MOST DYSFUNCTIONAL COUNTRY WE'VE EVER SEEN, AND IT INVOLVED MALIKI, ALLAWI AND BARZANI - NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE,  WE CAN REPLACE THAT NOW WITH OBAMA, BOEHNER AND REED,  SO OUR COUNTRY IS JUST THE SAME, - DRAGGING THE WHOLE COUNTRY DOWN, AND LOOK AT THAT - AND COMPARE OUR GOV. TO OTHERS AND WE'RE NO DIFFERENT,  SAME THING WE COMPLAINED ABOUT, AND IT WAS ABOUT THEIR BUDGET, SAME THING.... SO FOR THOSE THAT THINK WE ARE SUPERIOR TO THE REST OF THE WORLD, WE ARE THE SAME,  DYSFUNCTIONAL ATTITUDES, 

AND YES THERE WERE PPL THAT DIDN'T WANT THIS TO HAPPEN FOR SELFISH REASONS, AND DID EVERYTHING THEY COULD TO FORCE A CHANGE, LIKE I TELL MY KIDS OR FRIENDS, AND ASK MY OPINION, AND TELL THEM, THEN AT THE 3RD TIME, I TELL THEM GO SEE WHAT HAPPENS AND SEE SOME PAIN,  AND TH ATS WHAT IT CAME DOWN TO IT --- ON BOTH SIDES OF THE TABLE, GOING ON IN THE BACK ROOM, PPL FEELING PAIN, AND NORMALLY IT STARTS HURTING AND THEN THE ADULTS COME IN AND SAY NOW YOU WANT TO DO IT THIS WAY, AND STRAIGHTEN UP.

THEY STARTED FEELING PAIN IN OUR SITUATION AND PPL CAME FROM OUTSIDE OUR COUNTRY, LIKE WE DID W/ IRAQ AND THEY SAID WE NEED TO SEE THIS AND THIS DONE AND DO IT IN A HURRY, AFFECTING MORE ....
THE DECISION IS MADE
RIGHT ON TIME
SENATE DID THE PART ALREADY
CRUZ SAID HE WON'T BLOCK THE VOTE
HOUSE WILL PASS IT THIS EVE
AND ALL WILL BE OVER
AND ENJOY THE HOLIDAYS AND START BACK ON JAN 15TH
THEY FELT SOME PAIN AND IT MIGHT PLAY OUT DIFF. ON THE 2ND ROUND

CURRENCY EXCHANGE AND BANK-RELATED QUESTIONS

I know we will not be able to negotiate the rates, however can we negotiate the bank spread and fees?
T- PRETTY SURE YOU CAN STILL SAY THAT

During the initial exchange of a single 25k note, realizing this is a fluent situation, will there be enough time to open a new account, request cashier checks, request ccc document and proof of funds?
T- NO.  YOU JUST CASH IN ONE NOTE.  IF THEY HAVE TIME TO WRITE YOU A CASHIERS CHECK THEY WILL - BUT NOT PART OF YOUR CASH IN PROCEDURE.

Tony do you think it is a good idea to copy in Black and White our Dinar Notes and have the bank sign off when we exchange?
T- ANYTHING THAT MAKES YOU FEEL SECURE.  BANK WILL GIVE YOU A RECEIPT.
WILL TELL YOU THIS, NO I WON'T, YES I WILL, ITS JUST ME, I WOULDN'T DO BIZ. WITH - HOPEFULLY THE PTB ARE LISTENING, WHERE I HAVE TO SEND MY DINAR OFF TO GET CREDIT, OR TELL ME THE RATE,  THERE ARE TOO MANY BANKS THAT ARE DOING IMMEDIATE  - THAT'S HOW I WILL DO IT

Rate on Dong and will it be taxed the same?   PROLLY WON'T KNOW TILL FEB. 15 - BE PREPARED

MISCELLANEOUS QUESTIONS


If the chat room is opened post RV would it not be advantageous to not allow chat about at least the IQN since we do not know if all people signed NDA's?  If dealers do not have clients sign NDA's we can’t chat with folks who have signed NDA's at the banks!
T- NOW THAT'S A THOUGHT
I DON'T KNOW HOW ITS GOING TO WORK - DON'T KNOW - IF YOU ARE A MEMBER - MAYBE WE HAVE TO OUR MEMBERSHIP FORUM OVER AND HAVE YOU SIGN AN NDA - TO BE PART OF THE CHAT, HATE TO - BUT TO PROTECT ALL OF US.  WE'LL GET ADVICE.

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live Q & A

c- planned announcement of the 800#s - before the 17th or behind, were they sliding it
t- it was planned for yesterday at 8:30 am and it didn't happen

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c- John in DC - talked about the potential of certain VIPs exchanging and double dipping, wouldn't it make sense for the PTB, during the NDA process, prohibiting from a double dip,
t- could have and some have cashed out and double dipped, don't know the quantity, and we can't control - and like I was on stage, and they asked me how much money I made - doesn't matter - no one can spend it but my wife...
c- could it screw up the game
t- no not that large, not let anyone become that super rich from an inside deal
t- there is another question along that line, if they cashed out at 25, 27 and had to give the $ back, which was in the agreement, how would we know if they gave it back, we'll still only get what we get, things beyond our control, with position comes power and we have to live with it
c- give it to you  for all the hard work you do
t- lol
t- don't worry about things beyond my control, always going to be deals, I'll get all I can get and lead the best life I can do... can't worry about that they are doing over there, can't control it

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c- did CL step in to finish this,
t- ppl  - a gov. above the gov. and the ptb, that are always concerned about
t- in the last 48 hours they got involved and additional meetings, and didn't see that on CNN, but got resolved, ie. feel some pain and then do what we need you to do
c- Bankers don't want it to happen
t- the PTB don't want this and that, but if you look and google, Fed. Res. they own 153 CBI's of 180 countries, they own 153 of them, and you know the 7 families that own them, who is stronger than they are?  who has more influence then they do?
c- no one
t- so if they owned the money for years, and they owned it when we were on the gold standard, off the gold standard and back on, what have they lost, they still own it, they can still influence the outcome and they did 2 days ago, if they don't want it - it won't be
c- ....something stopping it
c- you can't say
t- I did just say
( Tony is explaining the diff. between gold and fiat standard - and Basel 3 )
c- some of us will borrow, bottom line
t- it doesn't, it increased all their values, and their countries wealth, why would they not want to happen
c- full moon in Aries
......

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c- every man and woman in dinar land wants to see a picture of Already Blessed
t- she told me I'll be in a world of trouble if I put it out there
c- senate version, what makes you think they are not going to do that again today?
t- you should think the same thing, and 2 days ago Boehner told the world that we are not going beyond the debt ceiling and if he had to do a clear vote, so regardless, it wasn't going to happen
t- others, the Dem's or Pres. O, said if it happens its on you, and they go to the polls and the R's have the lowest rating since the '30s, .....and not letting it happen, told you it was theatre, in the end this is going to happen - he said he wouldn't take the blame and everyone knows that, so...
t- I don't like everything in Obama Care or the Univ. Health Plan, but the fact of the matter is, that its playing out, Senate went thru, House is going to vote, Cruse said he's not standing in the way, and its done and over
t- they are going to pass it and this eve. the Pres. is going to sign in and then a green light to do what we need to do, to take it public will it be hours or days...

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c- cbi rate and bankers rate, which rate will the dealers use?
t- said they would do the MARKET RATE, DON'T KNOW AND HOPE IT WILL BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE BANKS, but can't answer till it actually happens, if its diff. Frank will be in line with us at the bank, smart business man

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c- in case the House screws up, will the IMF step in and lower the rate
t- if the House screws up there is a plan in place for this to happen at a later date, lets hope it doesn't happen, they know what the plan is, I go back to ok, you don't do it and will feel pain, but everyone feels good now
c- is that later date, this year or next year
t- not telling you
c- ok

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c- if IMF stepped in,  assuming it doesn't go thru and they activate it, are we really to believe the early payouts would be reimbursed and who would monitor that - were they given cash or... cert. of dep.
c- can't buy the fact that they'd give it back
t- what choice do you have
t- if I'm the bank and dep. $250M in your bank why can't I just freeze your acct. and subtract it from your acct.
c- didn't hear that part
t- money is sitting there, we're not talking about a person that found a bag of money,  we're talking about the elite of our country,  no one taking off w/ others money, at that level, its not like the guy next door, if they didn't put it back, lawsuits
t- the better question is, if these guys got the $ wouldn't they fight to make the RV go thru so they can keep this money
c- how many cashed out?
t- its who they are, more imp. than the percentage, and not in the habit of giving back $200 M dollars

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c-super fantastic
t- super fantastic
c- when is your birthday
t- March 28th
c- we share the same comment

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c- how all these ppl going to talk themselves out of the RV, confidence?
t- me, Pam, Montana, RayRen,
t- we know there are lot of misunderstanding, get lots of info, and get it all, and gives me extra confidence and know that you all don't have all of that
t- trying to give you as much as we can.... the movie w/ Jack Nicholson, but that's the truth, the reality is you don't want to know the truth, just being honest with you now, and things that had to be done, to live the life that you need to live,  you wouldn't handle the truth and say no we didn't do that,  but even the new IMF chief, ppl didn't believe -- but see things in the news, and then it fades away, it was needed at the moment....

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c- cbi didn't update, shows the 14th, and I own just over $5M dinar, and someone asked about going to a bank, do I have to go to 3 or 4 banks, do I tell them how much I have all together
t- how much you plan on putting in that bank, it will designate where they send you, depending on the amt. that you have

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c- how are you
t- super fantastic
c- negotiate the spreed, with one bill
t- you'll just cash out, not negotiating anything w/ 1 bill
c- got friends and a warden, keep saying its a scam, and what I tell them, is how can the richest country in the whole world not allow to be on the market and traded and have their own currency, am I correct?
t- as soon as its international,  even if it took till Friday, which I doubt, they can tell me whatever they want, but the proof will be there and they will have missed a great opp. in life, don't be concerned with defending yourself - i just tell them and they say NO WAY and I say, you're prolly right,  not going to get tied up  when I'm trying to help them
c- warden on my back, so I'll let her know
t- that's one you have to live with....lol

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c- heard you mention 5/3rd bank are they participating in this
t- yep
c- competitive as far as well
t- yep, they were in the game the whole time, absolutely all in

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c- did the admin get what they wanted, so we don't have to worry in 6 weeks
t- if they got what they wanted, it wouldn't go again in 6 weeks, but...
c- so we can be waiting another 6 weeks
t- oh no, we're getting our RV, after he signs it off, its clear sailing,  they got enough to put things back to normal and enough time to process the RV , 30 days, markets change, and stabilize and see what to do on Jan. 15th


JUST THINKING THAT IF CNN HIRED MY GUYS THEY'D HAVE BREAKING NEWS... THAT'S TOO FUNNY, WE HAD ALL THIS BEFORE TV....LOL

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c- after the RV how long till we make a deposit in the Bank of Tony
t- oh no
t- none of that
t- if you are thinking about it, its easy to buy a bank, but not easy to make a profit with a bank, one guy went to a bank and told him he wanted to put $20M in the bank,,and they said they can't handle it,  unless they have a plan to increase the dividends....
t-you can buy banks, from $3M to a billion, and now you own it, and what do you do now?
t- don't just buy a bank, but have a plan on what to do
c- I wanted to put a deposit into your bank
t- oh no
c- we'll talk in Vegas

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c- going over my notes and they had the 800#s at 8 in the morn. eastern
t- wait
t- you said the 800's were on, did you know that before I told you
t- did some tell you that before
c- no
c- my blood pressure went up, that was exciting
c- can you tell us what time that they were told to report to the centers late this eve.
t- I could tell you the exact time they were told
c- its your party
t- after 2 eastern
c- thanks
c- one note, or 2 twenty fives
t- they were briefed on a 25K note, maybe its the max
c- thank you - you the Man!!!

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c- my ? about the 25K note, at that rate, its about $600K, how is that possible
t- you'll have $600 something deposited into your acct. and take $10K cash and walk out the bank
t- last Thurs. or Friday, banks were told to order more money, and it comes in on Tues. Wed. and should have enough to walk out the bank, if $10K was my priority, then ask before you walk in, sometimes they will give you $5K or $2K, and order the rest

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c- read Creature of Jekyll Island, but boiled down, and tell me, the Rothschild's or not, don't care if we have the money or not, but its about their power -
t- just power
c- especially the lady that called in, they can do whatever they want, fiat or gold money, they have so much power
t- and they have so much influence, and when they exert it... do your games... nothing happens by chance,  countries involved - someone always influencing the outcome
c- the affordable health care, powerful too, Kennedy said if you can control the medical you control the masses, and Jefferson said not to have a Fed. Res. - control our money
t- going to go to the other side of the river for a min.
t- give you something to think about along the way, Iraq/Germany/so many countries all their ppl have free health care, from birth to death, and free education, from Kindergarten to PHD and we think we are the richest country in the world and can't figure out how to provide that to our own ppl, but all the countries we give money to -have it, I question our medical industry and we buy pills and they can't afford the meds. but go to Canada and its the exact same pill and does the same thing and its $2,3,  but there is too much money involved and greed and paying ppl to do the wrong thing and not the right thing,  the PTB and etc...
there has to be a way to do that, and how its affecting ppl's lives...
c- is there an address that wouldn't interfere w/ my personal life
t- that wouldn't interfere...
c- wanted to donate, don't have credit cards and live conservatively and....wanted to have an address to send it to you....
t- Pam's been wanting to get one for a long time, a lot of ppl wanted to do that, I'll have Pam call you - in case its a bomb, let it go to her
c- the guy that wants to buy you Rolls Royce's - wear Simmons shorts, I'll buy the Rolls so you don't have to wear them, they're short
t- lol
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c- as blessed as I can be and not have wings
t- ok then
c- you said something that registered strongly to me,  you sound like we might be in shape before the end of this week,
t- i can tell you right now, there is a def. plan to do this before the end of the week and a def. plan in place to make sure it happens before the end of the week
c- wearing the Oakland A's hat, want to go to Spring Training, can I bank on that
t- you calling from DC and talking about the A's - really?
c- they some bad boys, common
t- I feel confident about the RV, maybe not the A's
t- you can be where you want to be
c- need something to look forward to, today is Wed. tomorrow is Thurs.
c- you said Thurs. Friday I might be smoking a cigar and I can live with that....

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c- went to bofa and asked bank mgr. if they do currency exchange,  yes,  do you have a De La Rue,  what??? didn't know what it was... but could exchange my currency
t- every bank of every branch will not be an exchange center, but can do reg. currency, option to send it to the regional bank - send it out, get approval,  so your question is
WHAT IS YOUR FOREIGN EXCHANGE PROCEDURE, DO YOU LOOK AT A BOOK?
c- they look at a book
t- some look at a book and some send it out, and then what is your cut off at this location or go to the next bank up, those are the Questions to ask

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c- won't forget March 28 now, and I'm the 23rd,  the 800's in the forum, sometime after the RV announced and an 800 number for each branch ( think he meant bank )
t- yes, minimum 5 numbers

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c- if I take my $ to my first appt. is it possible to keep the rate when I go get my reserves, or the end of it
t- don't know
t- typically, they tell you the rate when you walk in the door, if it takes 10-15 days to get reserves and now the rate has dropped, don't think you'll get it
c- that's what i was afraid of,  but to make the appt. far out enough and the rate can change
t- they can, and hope the exchanger is at the same rates, or get that note and as fast as you can, send it out...
c- or maybe i should just go and exchange them in that city
t- its an option, as long as he can make an appt.
c- how long do you think that rate will last
t- think they have a time frame set,  and we'll cash out, and hedge funds, and ppl buy in, leave it flat, prolly after they get most of us in, but the hedge funds will continue to buy and one it levels out - reach the ceiling and fall like a rock
c- approximate time
t- no
t- as i said so many times, I feel like I do know, but if i broadcast it, they'll change it, they can't have everyone sitting there and waiting for it
t-there are some traps out there, not to scare you, but know there are traps out there
c- been in this 10 years and can't wait for it to end
t- if I was in for 10 years, I'd be the first in line

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c- Ron from Houston - how are you
t- super fantastic
c- blessed and ready to take on Kingdom business,
c- on a scale of 1 - 10 ---10 being the only answer, how close are we
t- lol, 10 is the only answer
t- tell you what, its better to ask that after 4pm EST
c- blessings on all of you, and believe we're about to launch into the greatest time of our life and do all that God empowers us to do
t- ty

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c- saw an impromptu w/ Warren Buffet, and he said that the debt. ceiling wouldn't go beyond today and he said the USD will remain the world currency and in the Dinarian community, we've been under the impression the dinar or the yuan would replace it, so my question was that part of the hold up?
t- there is controversy going on in Warren Buffets empire
t- hired or fired and some aren't sure he's on top of his game, and ppl talking about it, he could be absolutely correct, doesn't mean there is not a plan to change it and ppl trying to change it,  on Sat. and Mon. the Chinese papers said now is the time to de Americanize, and in Lybia and whats going on in our Gov. and pushing for it, and not the only country talking about it, told you years ago, there is a 5 year plan and breaking it into 5 zones and that's de Americanizing right there, 5 IMF's, and that's the first part to weaken it,  just brought it to the forefront, China wants to be the World currency and Iraq could be, but they just have a strong dinar, and we are one of 2 that could become the World Currency and at one time the BP was... but in our lifetime or beyond, everything rotates and changes.... go back in history....
t- analogy, look at the Gov. and look at the ppl involved, the easiest thing in the world, take a crane and wrecking ball and let it smash everything in the way, but the hard part is what if you wanted to stop the wrecking ball, its hard to stop,  you purposely let it go to wreck it down the hill, but how hard is it to bring the ball back up the hill and that's what we are seeing,  and everyone is saying its not that bad -- really to drop a wrecking ball on the world economy....

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c- first time caller - Zimbabwe 6 zero's removed, before exchange or after
t- the zero's have to be removed to RV it, they can't do it with all those zero's, we'd all be richer than Donald Trump

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c- if the ptb already cashed in at 27.  will all the banks be at that same level to cash in, whether its a 25k note - will we be at the same rate
t- every bank is to be at the same rate, maybe off a couple pennies, but not dollars
c- so if its 27. and it rv's Thurs. or Friday, and other sources give me time lines like you and we go to WF - within pennies, but we'll all get that rate,
t- all be able to get the rate, because that is the rate
t- not because of what they got
t- but that's the rate they are going to start with
t- within days or weeks, it will adjust and it could be 27. 87 this morn. and then 27.82 this afternoon,  depends on markets and trading, and can maintain it for the first 4, 5 days, but...
c- so it can last over 10 days over the $25 mark
t- absolutely
c- one more question
t- sure
c- you have verification of ppl that cashed in, and know and pretty secure that its going to RV this week or other indication that its not going to happen till past Friday
t- i said earlier they def. have a plan and do believe that it will happen between now and Friday
c- the ptb that cashed in are real
t- no I made it up, lol
c- everyone talking about the NDA, so not shared to nobody and they're putting themselves on the line, and say they cashed out
t- maybe they are powerful enough to not care, maybe they said it was over $18 or not concerned with me getting on 60 min. and saying they did it
c- but coming out, and have to shut our mouths, why tell someone and its dinar, and I got X, and the ptb, and then it comes out
t- nothing to do about it and don't advise you to do it, been done it, and no proving it, do I believe it, yes, don't do the same thing, you don't have the power behind you that they do
c- but that should make you excited that it did happen
t- doesn't make me excited, not in my bank acct. but happened for years.. and in the last 12 days

next

c- wow
t- lol
c- don't put Pam's pic on the Internet, some perve going to look at her
c- ty for all you do, not about the RV, but about the info you give out about the gov. and the info you share and the headache you take for us,  and I'm the only girl that grew up with lots of boys, and get frustrated with the same question
c- how many times do I have to tell you
t- lol
c- thank you so much
c- and all that you work with
c- now for the ?,  without not knowing about the gifting, didn't get one for my brother, but take the complete amt. that I have and go under my name and then gift him and let him pay his taxes
c- or will I wind up paying the taxes
t- you are going to cash it in and then give him the money?
c- that's what my thought was, well, with the gifting, is there X amt. and they don't have to pay the taxes, ie $5M
t- first if you cash out, you pay the tax, and then give him $ he pays taxes,  if you didn't do a gift letter already, do it now, even though its not notarized, have a friend sign it, but if that didn't work, I'd give him a dinar note and say go to the bank and cash it, the banks don't want a receipt or a gifting letter
t- keep it simple
t- have a 3rd party sign it - get it witnessed - if not notarized
c- 1 more question
c- please
c- with the NIB acct. you're going to make money w/ interest bearing acct. not trying to be greedy, but want to make $,  still have to pay taxes
t- if you make interest you pay taxes
c- so whats the big deal,  about interest bearing acct. - just pay taxes
t- don't know what the tax is going to be, its about some saying its more secure and I'm not worried about the banks collapsing before the tax comes, my money will make money, that's just me, but if you think that a catastrophe will come, protect yourself

MONTANA TOLD ME MY TIME IS UP
GONNA HAVE A SUPER FANTASTIC DAY
EVERYTHING IS DONE
ALL THE TECH PART
THE PROCEDURES
PLANNING OUT
THE PHAMPLETS ARE 15 PAGES

CALL CENTERS HAVE THEIR PROCEDURES
AND ONE MORE BRIEFING BEFORE IT GOES LIVE
AND A PROCESS FOR THE 800S AND THEN WE'LL GET THEM

THERE IS A PLAN
FOR THIS TO GO LIVE
BETWEEN THIS EVE  AND FRIDAY OR SAT......72 HOURS
SO WE ARE IN THAT WINDOW AND IN THE TIME FRAME

LOOK FOR 3 O'CLOCK
AND BEFORE 3 O'CLOCK
THE PRES. SHOULD HAVE IT BEFORE
AND ANOTHER 4PM MEETING IN DC
AND AFTER THAT TIME FRAME ANYTHING THAT CAN HAPPEN
WE'LL HAVE THE GREEN LIGHT

JUST DON'T KNOW THE DATE AND TIME
THE RATE IS THE SAME
BE ON THE PH ALL DAY
IF SOMETHING CHANGES
WILL PUT OUT A BLAST  IF IT UPDATES
JUST LOOK FOR IT AFTER THAT TIME
ENJOY YOUR DAY

http://www.dinarrecaps.com/1/post/2013/10/tony-wed-call-notes-from-montana-at-tnt-forum.html

CFTC FILES & SETTLES CHARGES AGAINST J P MORGAN CHASE FOR MANIPULATIVE CONDUCT

[the others banks will soon follow]
CFTC FILES AND SETTLES CHARGES AGAINST
J P MORGAN CHASE BANK, N.A., FOR 
VIOLATING PROHIBITION ON MANIPULATIVE CONDUCT IN CONNECTION WITH "LONDON WHALE" SWAPS TRADES ~
J P MORGAN ADMITS TO RECKLESS CONDUCT IN FIRST CASE (there will be more) CHARGING VIOLATION OF DODD FRANK'S PROHIBITION AGAINST MANIPULATIVE CONDUCT AND IS ORDERED TO PAY A $100 MILLION CIVIL MONETARY PENALTY 
October 16th, 2013

Washington, DC – The U.S. Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC) today issued an Order against JPMorgan Chase Bank, N.A. (JPMorgan or Bank), bringing and settling charges for employing a manipulative device in connection with the Bank’s trading of certain credit default swaps (CDS), in violation of the new Dodd-Frank prohibition against manipulative conduct. As set forth in the CFTC’s Order, by selling a staggering volume of these swaps in a concentrated period, the Bank, acting through its traders, recklessly disregarded the fundamental precept on which market participants rely, that prices are established based on legitimate forces of supply and demand. As a result, after a thorough 17-month investigation, the Commission has found the Bank liable for violating Section 6(c)(1) of the Commodity Exchange Act (the “Act”), 7 U.S.C. §9 (2012), as amended by the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act of 2010 (“Dodd-Frank”), and Commission Regulation 180.1, 17 C.F.R. §180.1 (2012).

JPMorgan, which admits the specified factual findings in the Order including that its traders acted recklessly, is directed, among other things, to pay a $100 million civil monetary penalty.

“In Dodd-Frank, Congress provided a powerful new tool enabling the CFTC for the first time to prohibit reckless manipulative conduct,” said David Meister, the CFTC’s Director of Enforcement. “As this case demonstrates, the Commission is now better armed than ever to protect the market from traders, like those here, who try to ‘defend’ their position by dumping a gargantuan, record-setting, volume of swaps virtually all at once, recklessly ignoring the obvious dangers to legitimate pricing forces.”

Highlights of the CFTC Order

The CDS market comprises globally traded credit derivatives used to speculate on and hedge against credit defaults. Trillions of dollars (notional) of CDS instruments and baskets of CDS called credit default indices, some known as CDX, are used to transfer risk of defaults by companies in the United States and around the world. As such, the CDS market is an important aspect of the global economy.

From approximately 2007 through 2011, JPMorgan’s Chief Investment Office (“CIO”), operating through a trading desk in the Bank’s London branch, traded and held various credit default indices, including CDX, in a Synthetic Credit Portfolio (“SCP”). Each day the SCP traders marked their positions to market, assigning a value to the positions using market prices and other factors. That value was used to calculate the CIO’s profits and losses. At the end of each month an “independent” group at JPMorgan tested the validity of the traders’ month-end marks.

As of the end of 2011, the portfolio held $51 billion net notional of these credit instruments, the outsized amount spurring press reports referring to one CIO trader as the “London Whale.” Although previously quite profitable, the portfolio had taken a serious turn for the worse at least by late January 2012, with year-to-date mark-to-market losses of $100 million. In February 2012, daily losses were large and growing.

The violation charged in the CFTC’s Order concerns the Bank’s trading of one particular credit default index -- “CDX NA.IG9 10 year index” (“IG9 10Y”). As the end of February 2012 approached, the SCP’s net short position in the IG9 10Y grew to a mammoth $65 billion, which meant that relatively small favorable or adverse movements in market prices produced significant mark-to-market profits or losses for the CIO. Because the SCP was short IG9 10Y, the mark-to-market value of the position increased as the market price decreased.

On February 29, just ahead of the month-end testing of their marks, the traders believed the portfolio’s situation was grave. That day, desperate to avoid further losses, the traders developed a resolve, as they put it, to “defend the position.” Recognizing that the sheer size of their position in IG9 10Y had the potential to affect or influence the market, the traders recklessly sold massive amounts of protection on the IG9 10Y. They were short protection and they sold more protection.

Specifically, with the portfolio standing to benefit as the IG9 10Y market price dropped, on February 29 the CIO sold on net more than $7 billion of IG9 10Y, a staggering volume -- far and away the largest amount the CIO ever traded in one day -- $4.6 billion of which was sold during a three-hour period as the day drew to a close.

The Order provides comparative measures that demonstrate just how large and concentrated these February 29 sales of IG9 10Y were. For example, these sales alone accounted for more than 90% of the day’s net volume traded by the entire market, were 15% of the month’s net volume traded by the entire market, and were nearly 11 times the SCP’s average daily volume in February. The February 29 trading followed more than $3 billion in sales of the IG9 10Y during the prior two days. The net volume the CIO sold February 27-29 amounted to roughly one-third of the total volume traded for the entire month of February by all other market participants.

During this same period at month-end, the IG9 10Y market price dropped substantially. While the CIO was selling at generally declining prices, the value of the short position that the CIO held in the SCP benefited on a mark-to-market basis from the declining market prices.

As set forth in the Order, the trading strategy to “defend the position” -- selling $7.17 billion of the IG9 10Y on February 29 in a concentrated period -- constituted a manipulative device employed by the traders in reckless disregard of the possible consequences of their conduct, including obvious dangers to legitimate market forces. That conduct therefore violated section 6(c)(1) of the Act and Rule 180.1.

In addition to paying a $100 million penalty, JPMorgan must continue to implement written enhancements to its supervision and control system in connection with swaps trading activity, including trading and risk management controls reasonably designed to prevent and promptly detect mis-marking of its books, enhanced communications among risk, control and supervisory functions, and the development of additional surveillance tools to assist supervisors with monitoring trading activity in connection with swaps.

In addition to finding the violation, the Order describes aspects of the CFTC’s new business conduct rules applicable to swap dealers. JPMorgan registered with the Commission as a swap dealer as of December 31, 2012, and at that time became subject to the Commission’s new swap dealer regime, including rules that impose supervision and control obligations. Although these rules did not apply to the Bank at the time of the events in question, the Order explains how some of these new rules would have covered the matters set forth in the Order, and concludes that had the regulations been in place, much of the offending conduct at issue (and the significant losses it caused) may well have been detected and remedied internally much more quickly, thereby potentially reducing losses.

The CFTC acknowledges the valuable assistance of the United Kingdom’s Financial Conduct Authority, as well as that of the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission and the United States Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of New York.

The CFTC also acknowledges JPMorgan’s cooperation with the Division of Enforcement’s investigation.

CFTC Division of Enforcement staff responsible for this action are Saadeh Al-Jurf, Allison Baker Shealy, Traci Rodriguez, Daniel Ullman, Joan Manley, and Paul G. Hayeck.

Last Updated: October 16, 2013

Chase Bank Limits Cash Withdrawals

Samaritan Ministries-- My substitute for Health Insurance.

Subject: PLEASE READ !!.--Samaritan Ministries-- My substitute for Health Insurance.


 Hi, I sent this out before, now I have heard where peoples Insurance is going up from 2 to 4 times higher !!!!  Take a serious look at this, then check it out.
   This is a Christian Group, with over 26,000 household Members !!! One thing, to join, you must be a Christian, with good standing in your Church. So, if you are not a Christian, you need to be. It is the most important thing you can do in this life, as you will spend eternity, either in Heaven or hell !!! So get a hold of a Minister, & get saved, then go to his Church, be sure it is not a false religion, & later you will need his signature on your application.
  After you see their Website, & have questions, give me a call , or Email me, or call them.
     Irvin Neargarder  phone 1-937-968-3903, or Email me.
  Samaritan Ministries, My substitute 
for Health Insurance.
   I have been a Member for several years now, I save money, Even though I give extra money, each month in helping for others needs, that are not yet covered.
   Some people are joining, on account of the New Health Care, that will take effect in 2013 & 14. Also, I believe, since this is not Insurance, it will not be effected by the new rules connected with the New Health Care Program! !
   Below is their Website, with a Video, that explains their Plan. Towards the bottom, the middle Video, "For Biblical Ministries", tells about the "First Baptist Church", in Indiana. They have a large Church, with many Ministries. See how they save money with all of their employees.  
    On the right, you can ask for their Free Package, "Request Info Packet", that fully explains their Program. If you decide to Join them, tell them that Irvin Neargarder sent you the Info, & they will give me a credit of $180 toward my monthly Share. They will do the same for you, after you Join, & like it enough to share it with your family & friends!! If you join, please let me know.
   Click to see the Video, & Etc..  Their toll free Ph. 1-888-268-4377          http://samaritanministries.org/intro       
 Irvin Neargarder ---  My Phone#  937-968-3903


THE CAT IN THE HAT ON THE GOVERNMENT


The 15 min video is worth the watch....and former IRS agent tells what she knows...
THE CAT IN THE HAT ON THE GOVERNMENT

I DO NOT LIKE THIS UNCLE SAM,
I DO NOT LIKE HIS HEALTH CARE SCAM.

I DO NOT LIKE THESE DIRTY CROOKS,
OR HOW THEY LIE AND COOK THE BOOKS!!

I DO NOT LIKE WHEN CONGRESS STEALS,
I DO NOT LIKE THEIR SECRET DEALS.

I DO NOT LIKE THIS SPEAKER MAN,
I DO NOT LIKE THIS,  “YES WE CAN”!!

I DO NOT LIKE THIS SPENDING SPREE,
I’M SMART, I KNOW THAT NOTHING’S FREE.

I DO NOT LIKE THEIR SMUG REPLIES,
WHEN I COMPLAIN ABOUT THEIR LIES.

I DO NOT LIKE THIS KIND OF HOPE,
I DO NOT LIKE IT, NOPE, NOPE, NOPE!!
EX-IRS Agent Exposes IRS As The Biggest Fraud Of All         http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8VOPEQX8GE&feature=share




*"I prefer freedom with danger to safety with slavery!"*

The ' L I T T L E ' Things~


 The ' L I T T L E ' Things~


As you might remember, the head of a company survived 9/11 because his son started kindergarten.

Another fellow was alive because it was his turn to bring donuts.

One woman was late because her alarm clock didn't go off in time.

One was late because of being stuck on the NJ Turnpike because of an auto accident.

One of them missed his bus.

One spilled food on her clothes and had to take time to change.

One's car wouldn't start.

One couldn't get a taxi.

The one that struck me was the man who put on a new pair of shoes that morning,
Took the various means to get to work but before he got there, he developed a blister on his foot.
He stopped at a drugstore to buy a Band-Aid. That is why he is alive today..


Now when I am
Stuck in traffic ,
Miss an elevator,
Turn back to answer a ringing telephone ...
All the little things that annoy me.
I think to myself,
This is exactly where
God wants me to be
At this very moment..

Next time your morning seems to be going wrong ,

You can't seem to find the car keys,
You hit every traffic light,
Don't get mad or frustrated;
It May be just that God is at work watching over you.
  
May God continue to bless you with all those annoying little things
And may you remember their possible purpose.
  
Pass this on to someone else, if you'd like.
There is NO LUCK attached.
If you delete this, it's okay:
God's Love Is Not Dependent On E-Mail's....!!!!!!

(that's the cool part)

A M E N


Whether you believe in God or not, it's up to you.  If things don't go your way, that's just the way it is.  Just accept it and continue on the best you can....!!!!!!.

INTEL/RUMORS

WHO OWNS THE I.M.F. - THAE BANKSTERS - UNDERCOVER WANT TO MAKE THEIR OWN DEAL WITH THE CHINES , AT YOUR EXPENSE- CHEAT YOU OUT OF THE HIGH RATES. THEY PLAN ON GETTING THE , VERY LARGE, $ 25.00 PREMIUM THROUGH THEIR CHICANERY , UNDER THE COVER OF INTERNATIONAL BANKSTER COVER , AS IN THE PAST. DOUBLE DEALING SCUMBAGS, ALL OF THEM !
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 16:53:43 +0000 (GMT)
From: stage2omega <mail@stage2omega.com>

Subject: INTEL/RUMORS

10-16-2013   Intel Guru Loechin   CL [Christine Lagarde] is going to step in and do this.  [that could take awhile if she does.]  No, it has been set up would be quick... A few hours.  [that means a much lower rate for us if CL does this correct?]  yes, a lower rate.  

10-16-2013   Newshound Guru  tlm724   the economic reform law was published on the iraqi economist net, this web site is for economists, scholars etc for debate and discussion.  Some...are saying that the Law has been passed and has not been published yet. I have to respectfully disagree with that and I will tell you why.  we constantly check ALL the COM and Parl websites, we read minutes etc... we have our finger on the pulse always and we have not seen one thing relating to this law...until we see it in the gazzette and in the minutes we just can't assume it was passed. it's an extremely important law and...the COM did indeed pass it but it needs to read in parliament 3 times then in the gazzette.

10-16-2013   Newshound Guru Bondlady   I don't think the dinar will stay low for long.  they have economic commitments but they must start the tariffs in full soon and the currency must have international status and ...they stated to the WTO they would use dinar to pay.  so we’re in the home stretch as far as I'm concerned...but that stretch may be a stretchhhhhhhhhh, as they are surely slower than a snail.

10-16-2013   Newshound Guru Enorrste   We expect the reform law to pass any day now, and then the float to be announced.  We are still hopeful that we will see a significant rise prior to the first of next year.  Parliament is very antsy to get the removal of the large notes process in play by January 1.   Maliki appears to be in favor of anything now to get the ball moving forward ASAP.  I therefore think he wants this well under way by the time March 2014 comes around so that he can take all the credit.

10-16-2013   Intel Guru TerryK   WHAT IS GOING ON IS THAT THE BAD GUYS ARE TRYING TO STALL.  TRYING TO GET THE IMF TO STEP IN AND BRING THE RATE TO A LOW.   RIGHT NOW IT’S FORECASTED AT A 20 PLUS RATE.  IF THEY SUCCEED THE RATE WILL DROP, SO THEY CLAIM.  THAT WAS FROM ONE SOUCE.  THE WHITE HOUSE SOURCE TOLD ME THE FOLLOWING:  THE DELIVERY OF THE ELECTRONIC SIGNATURE MACHINE IS SCHEDULED FOR TOMORROW TO RELEASE THE GOLD STANDARD THUS CLEARING UP THE DEBT CEILING...THUS RELEASING THE RV AND NOT HAVING TO WAIT FOR ANYONE [IMF].  SO WHAT THEY ARE SAYING IS THAT WE SHOULD SEE THIS NO LATER THAN THE 17TH.

10-16-2013  Intel/Newshound Guru Poppy3   RV IS POSSIBLE AT ANY MOMENT BUT THE NOW INVITE FROM o ALSO MAKES ME BELIEVE THEY KNOW NOW WHEN THEY ARE GOING TO RELEASE BECAUSE TWO WEEKS AGO WOULDN'T EVEN TAKE A MEETING WITH maliki AND NOW HE IS INVITING HIM HERE.  [So, you think the RV will be before M's visit to DC?]  EITHER JUST BEFORE OR JUST AFTER.  TIME WILL TELL.

10-16-2013   Intel Guru Nova     whenever the final items are checked off and complete, the AoP will flip the switch, no matter what day it is or what time it is.. how can we say there have been delays? Who knows what is on the checklist, what has been done and what is left to do? IMO, all of the world’s currencies will be rebalanced or reset at once – the switch will be flipped and all will revalue up or down, the question is when and how much (date and rate), and that is unknown;  we will look back one day and realize the complexity of all that happened, and that our investment was only a small part of it.  [post 2 of 2]

10-16-2013   Intel Guru Nova  [new guru]  [via BulldogFord65]   it’s very interesting that people who went thru the KWD RI during the Clinton administration have been brought back at this time, and they are likely a part of the GCR team, however the bigger picture is that the top 20 countries of the world monetary reform managers, central bankers financial leaders and nation leaders were all invited and have converged on Wash DC last week...but what is so interesting is what has transpired - the group that attended and then the shut down of the US govt?? something of global proportion is happening.  [post 1 of 2....stay tuned]

10-16-2013   Guru Intel Frank26  [via BulldogFord65]   Janet Yellen is being brought back into the FedRes at this time as she and Jack Lew worked together in the Clinton administration when the KWD RI’ed; he believes they are tasked to work on the GCR... all the evidence points to something happening on a global scale...current timeframe of study is through Oct 18.



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PREPARE FOR WAR WITH THE BANKSTERS!!!!!!!!! (VIDEO)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqwJaTRyThc
DISARM THEM WITH ALL YOU HAVE LEARNED!!!!!!!!!!!!
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LISTEN UP CONGRESS - YouTube

This is awesome and not very politically correct and.the truth about what happened in DC with the trucker/vet gathering this past weekend was reported on about the 35 mark...this show ends with that report for a uplifting positive message.



MARKETS ARE UP THIS MORNING....THEY KNOW SOMETHING WE DON'T! WOOO HOOOO

 MARKETS ARE UP THIS MORNING....THEY KNOW SOMETHING WE DON'T! WOOO HOOOO

. okrocks] Update senate leaders finalizes a DEAL... Hearing they have the language but no details out YET... So hope we can get off this NOW... Still has to pass through the house but they are very optimistic... It could all happen very FAST... It will happen, just not sure if it will be in the next 2 hrs or 72 HRS... Is what was stated under the 14th ammendment if they default the Pres can order the treasury to pay the bills

You have two families: "Joe Legal" and "Jose Illegal."

Something we should all realize:

You have two families: "Joe Legal" and "Jose Illegal." Both families have two parents, two children, and live in California .

Joe Legal works in construction, has a Social Security Number and makes $25.00 per hour with taxes deducted.
Jose Illegal also works in construction, has NO Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash "under the table."

Ready? Now pay attention....

Joe Legal: $25.00 per hour x 40 hours = $1000.00 per week, or $52,000.00 per year. Now take 30% away for state and federal tax; 
Joe Legal
 now has $31,231.00.

Jose Illegal: $15.00 per hour x 40 hours = $600.00 per week, or $31,200.0 0 per year. 
Jose Illegal
 pays no taxes. Jose Illegal now has $31,200.00.

Joe Legal pays medical and dental insurance with limited coverage for his family at $600.00 per month, or $7,200.00 per year. 
Joe Legal
 now has $24,031.00.

Jose Illegal has full medical and dental coverage through the state and local clinics and emergency hospitals at a cost of $0.00 per year. 
Jose Illegal
 still has $31,200.00.

Joe Legal makes too much money and is not eligible for food stamps or welfare. Joe Legal pays $500.00 per month for food, or $6,000.00 per year.
Joe Legal now has $18,031.00.

Jose Illegal has no documented income and is eligible for food stamps, WIC and welfare. 
Jose Illegal
 still has $31,200.00.

Joe Legal pays rent of $1,200.00 per month, or $14,400.00 per year. 
Joe Legal
 now has 9,631 .00.

Jose Illegal receives a $500.00 per month Federal Rent Subsidy. 
Jose Illegal
 pays out that $500.00 per month, or $6,000.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $ 31,200.00.

Joe Legal pays $200.00 per month, or $2,400.00 for car insurance. Some of that is uninsured motorist insurance. 
Jose Illegal
 says, "We don't need no stinkin' insurance!" and still has $31,200.00.

Joe Legal has to make his $7,231.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, etc.
Jose Illegal has to make his $31,200.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, and what he sends out of the country every month..

Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after work.
Jose Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family.

Joe Legal's and Jose Illegal's children both attend the same elementary school. 
Joe Legal
 pays for his children's lunches, while Jose Illegal's children get a government sponsored lunch. 
Jose Illegal's
 children have an after school ESL program. 
Joe Legal's
 children go home.

Now, when they reach college age, Joe Legal's kids may not get into a State School and may not qualify for scholarships, grants or other tuition help, even though Joe has been paying for State Schools through his taxes, while Jose Illegal's kids "go to the head of the class" because they are a minority.

Joe Legal and Jose Illegal both enjoy the same police and fire services, but Joe paid for them and Jose did not pay.

Do you get it, now?

If you vote for or support any politician that supports illegal aliens...you are part of the problem!


We need to keep this going--we need to make changes ASAP!

It's way PAST time to take a stand for America and Americans!

What are you waiting for? Pass it on


"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same."    Ronald Reagan

November 1 Social Security Payments Canceled

Subject: November 1 Social Security Payments Canceled
Western Journalism
Please give your attention to this important announcement from Wall Street Daily. From time to time, we send you content on behalf of third parties we believe may be of interest to you and we believe this one deserves your attention.



The U.S. Government will be unable to pay out Social Security benefits by the start of November.

Not only that, but military pensions, Medicare payments and more will all be frozen indefinitely.

This unthinkable scenario is certain to occur if Washington defaults on its debts by October 18… which is exactly what a new study by the respected Bipartisan Policy Center just predicted.

“BPC estimates that the Federal government will exhaust its borrowing authority and no longer have sufficient funds to pay all of its bills in full and on time at some point between October 18 and November 5, 2013.”

Bottom line: If you’re expecting to receive your check, business as usual at the start of November… it’s crucial that you take action right now to avoid financial disaster.

That’s why I’m sending out an emergency video broadcast through all channels available to me.

Inside, a crack team of financial analysts, political insiders and investigative journalists reveal a proactive strategy you can use immediately to offset any or all damage this collapse could inflict on your income.

A strategy that Congress… the Senate… and most of the D.C. elite are already using to shield themselves.

In fact, in the first seven months of 2013, this “ingenious plan” (as a former Reagan advisor called it) could have turned $100 into as much as $1 million.

Please… forward this broadcast to your family, your friends, your coworkers… everyone needs to hear this warning.

We’re only a few short weeks away from a very different America.

You can view this emergency video for free, right here.

Ahead of the tape,

Robert Williams
Publisher, Wall Street Daily

The Center for Western Journalism 42104 N Venture Drive Suite B-122, Anthem, AZ 85086

NEWS ANCHOR COMPLETELY LOSES IT

7th Notice - Oct 14th, 2013

The Joint House Session
25 August 2013

Standing in the grace of God,
            We in Congress assembled bring to the people of the United States of America the law of Contempt of the Constitution to ensure those elected to high office are held responsible and accountable for maintaining the Security, Integrity and Economic viability of the United States of America.

              Having undertaken for the re-set of the Constitutional Republic and the Advancement of Christian Principal based government in the United States of America do by these presences solemnly and mutually in the presence of God combine ourselves together for the better Ordering and Preservation by the Authority and Power Reserved to We THE People Enact, Constitute, and frame the Contempt of Constitution to bring just and equal Laws, Ordinances, Acts, Constitutions and Covenants with offices and officers of high integrity to these United States of America.

            IN WITNESS whereof, we in Congress Assembled submit for Enactment by the autograph of the Interim President R---------A----------H--------r with the enabling directive of immediate implementation upon autographing.

                                                            Respectively Submitted,
                                                                                                            - - - - - -/S/- - - - - -
                                                                                            P----- V--------------t, Speaker of the House
August 29, 2013

Enacted

In accord with the Political Will of We THE People, as Interim President of the De Jure United States of America, the Contempt of Constitution is enacted and implemented as law this 30th day of August 2013~

It is Ordered, sentenced and decreed~

Date:30th of August 2013
                                                                                    Autograph:  - - - - - -/S/- - - - - -

                                                                                    Appellation: R----------A---------H----------r

                                                                                                              Interim President
                                                                                                      The United State of America





Mountain Goat:


Mountain Goat: Hi Everyone,

Last week the familie and I went to the Oktoberfest in Munich. We had a wonderful time! As you may know transportation is very good in Germany and so we hopped on a train to the city. This revaluation reminds me of that train ride.
We arrived at the station early so as not to miss the train. However in doing this we had to wait patiently with the anticipation for the train to arrive. It finally arrived on time as it always does. So I asked myself why did we arrive at the station so early?

Our Business of Today
This revaluation process for us is like my train ride to Munich last week. We were given the train schedule last April and anticipated the train to arrive on time. However it did not arrive.
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Since then again and again it was announced that the train would arrive and again we sat and waited in great anticipation.
We knew, like I knew last week, that once I got on that train the next stop was going to be a wonderful time. But when will the train arrive? We still sit and wait. Today is Tuesday October 15th already and we were told our train would arrive for sure last Thursday October 10th.
So what happened? Sorry this is going to be a long email once again.

We can all see that nothing in this process of the GCR is going as planned. These changes are not the IMF decisions but a matter of compromises on the part with the USA. So who are the players in this plan? Let’s look at who is involved in this event. Maybe we can then understand what is going on.
On one hand we have the government of Iraq. There were many obligations that they had to satisfy to even get to a level where they could revaluate their provisional currency and bring it back to an international status. They have now met all these requirements. There is nothing else for Iraq to do.
In fact technically they have already had their RV in country and are now working in this manner. However they can not officially go international until the GCR is released. This is creating some difficulties for them. What do they now think of the USA?
I have said in my past post that this would happen if the GCR was held up any longer.

Next there is the UN with the IMF in this case watching over the process and the gatekeepers of it. The IMF is also orchestrating this GCR as this is their master minded plan to save the world’s economies. This event will occur. Believe me when I say the worst global depression ever is just a matter of seconds away if you knew what was really going on in the larger scale.
They wanted the rollout of the GCR to be completed long before now like last April. The next set of players are all the developed nations of the world and in particular the USA.
This GCR plan is in conflict with the master plan for the Middle East (as planned by the USA) however we all know they blended the plans together to make the GCR work. A lot of compromises have already been made. This is our first delay in 2011.

A Little More History
I hope you do not mind that I have taken some time to give a short history of the players in this GCR in order for you to be able to see where we are today. Please be patient and read on as you will begin to see the light and it will all make sense as I describe how the players come into this drama. So let’s begin.

I do know for a fact that the IMF ( part of the UN) is now looking at the USA as an obstacle in the process of the GCR. Yes, you heard it correctly. The USA is now a liability and it is felt in the upper circles of the IMF and was also discussed at the recent G20 summit in Washington DC last week behind closed doors that the USA is no longer going to be a leader in the global financial arena.
This happened due to the lack of fiscal responsibility as a nation. We have to ask ourselves this – Was the USA ever a fiscal responsible nation? Once it decided to get off the gold standard it would be just a matter of time before the inevitable happened. What are they planning to do about it now?

As history is written there were many pros and cons in going strictly to a gold backed standard for currencies. If you think about it anything can really back a currency if there is value to it. All you need is someone (the holder of the note) to believe in the certificate. It is all about perception.
So why in the past was gold used as a backing for currencies? Why do some still insist on the strict use of gold.. The answer to this question is simple. It is all about control. Take a scarce resource, maintain control over it and you maintain the wealthy you need.
The more scarce the more value. With this wealth you maintain power through the ability to buy armies. Who do you control? You control your citizens and your neighboring countries. The more control the more power. Power soon extends beyond your boarders and drives yet more riches from conquests.

So to make a long story short in todays world the IMF has decided to no longer strictly use the “gold” standard as the measure of wealth or use fiat currency (not backed by anything, just a speculative currency). Now precious metals and other assets will be used for this purpose.
If we look at what the IMF is now doing in a logical sense, with the GCR and the Basel III compliance, we can see that this is needed. After all in the not so distant past if you had 2 dairy cows and someone gave you an IOU for them (which might have valued at a perceived value of an ounce of gold) but since you do not have the wealth to posses the gold you may never see the gold but eventually trade this same IOU for 10 sacks of grain because 10 sacks of grain would be worth the same amount of a perceived ounce of gold or the 2 dairy cows.
Understand?
Later as society progressed some did posses gold but rather than farmer Joe giving farmer Jim an ounce of gold for the 2 cows and then farmer Jim turning around and handing the ounce of gold right back to farmer Joe for the 10 sacks of grain an IOU system was developed and would be much more efficient and easy to carry around.
This then evolved to a paper currency. If a country were to stay strictly at using gold for payment of this transaction (i.e gold coins for currency), still only one ounce of gold would be needed to back my example. But two transactions were made. How could this be? Only one ounce of gold needed?
Can you see how less gold would be needed, if there was no time delay? Also without the gold for the transaction in this example, the transaction may have never happened since the farmers in this case are poor and do not possess any gold.
Commerce would stop and society in this village or between villages would not flourish. Many items not produced in one village could not be obtained from another village. The quality of life would be lowered.

So a standard measure for trade must be established. To standardize and maintain this sense of value, the government thus steps in. They would regulate and standardize the IOUs process by printing money in it’s place.
If they back this printed money with gold, then they standardize the measurement and everyone then knows that the 2 cows are worth two $100 bills or an once of gold or the 10 sacks of grain are worth two $100 bills or an ounce of gold. Money then flows freely and trade and commerce can then bring the wealth to the villages. People then become affluent and live in abundance. But in this example you will need 2 ounces of gold. One for each $100 bill.

Can you understand now how everything got messed up once the USA decided to go off the gold standard and began printing money for IOU but did not have anything to back the standardization of the value of the notes. Lets look at what really happened and why the USA got off the gold standard.

First let me say that if you were living back in those times, when the USA decided to go off the gold standard, you might not have thought this was such a bad idea. Since in the short term this process was very good for the USA and the entire world since it allowed for a large influx of the US dollar currency in to the markets.
The USA could now print money at will instead of first gaining the wealth in gold to back it. They did this to create a huge demand for the US dollar and to allow the banks to loan out money to the citizens and to the government. This became a way to finance wars and to finance society. If you go back and study how president FDR had to finance the WWII effort you would better understand. This has all changed.
So if you do not have gold backing you currency you can literally print as much as you like. Oh...an opportunity for corruption !
You can then spend as much as you like. Oh...yet another opportunity for corruption !
Too much in circulation causes inflation (higher prices). You set up regulators (Federal Reserve) to keep tabs on it so the supply of money stays just where you need it to keep everything in a state of relative stability. prices go up but the Feds keep it under control.
Printed currency then can take on the same levels of confidence the gold once had.
Can it? Does it really? No- not really!

As I said above this wealth brings power and power brings control. Once you have this control you can do yet more of what you want to do regardless of the international laws.
You can create and afford war to sustain yet more control, also the banks can loan out yet more money to create an affluent society and all the wonderful concepts like private home ownership, two cars in every garage, vacations, college loans, etc. Money flows and life is good. But for how long?

In the past the rest of the world looked at the USA and would marvel at what they saw. What they saw were large grocery stores, countless sky scraper buildings, jobs, a booming economy, paved roads, bridges and opulence. Life seemed much better in the USA than in their country.
But what they did not see was the eventual hidden monster lurking behind the curtain. Eventually this has to catch up since how much money could the government borrow and pay interest on before the interest on the debt far out weighted the total revenues of the country.
Soon there is no more money from revenues to fund items for society’s needs. Like it or not the USA is a socialistic capitalistic society since the tax revenue is supposed to be redistributed by the government for the benefit of society as a whole. The voting process decides who get paid what and what programs are put in place.
Is this system working now in the USA?
Today what is now really happening to the revenues of the UST? Why is the system broken?

On one hand the politicians know it’s show time. They know they can not keep business as usual since all the revenues will surely be going towards the interest on the national debt very shortly.
So how does the USA then pay it’s other bills? This is the real debate going on now in Washington right now. It is time to decide how this is going to be managed before its too late.

We all know that the USA posses large amounts of Iraq dinar as reserve currency. We all heard recently that Jack Lewis proposed using some of these reserves to pay off the US debt. But this was to help assist in paying off the bills not the national debt. If this is true then how was this done without an RV? Oh wait...did the RV already happen?

Last Wednesday there was a negotiated extension of the debt ceiling until mid November 2013. This was to give more time to review ways to reduce gov’t spending and to negotiate and repeal parts of the Affordable HealthCare bill.
Last weekend another agreement was discussed and is on the table for voting in today’s session. This agreement will give the government deficit spending extension until early 2014. There is political leverage being used by both parties-
1) is the holding up of the GCR by one party (the current democratic administration) and 2) the hold up of the funding for the Affordable HealthCare bill (the republican held seats in Congress). The democrats or republicans both don’t really care if the GCR ever happens.

In the meantime prior to early 2014, the GCR must take place and lay the groundwork for the eventual paying off the US national debt. The questions now to be asked are how much of the debt will they payoff? and when will this process begin? This is the timing for our GCR. I believe this must occur very shortly if not this week. Watch for an agreement in your government early this week.
This will be the first sign of implementation of this process. This was planned to begin last week. I also want to state that both party members (bankers and lawyers) have had it way too good for too long and do not want to give it all up.
Give what up ...you might ask? Give up the trillions of US dollars being taken from the American people in the largest scam in history. They do it legally by forcing the constant debt on the American people in the name of progress. But in reality look at the results and see where the USA now is.
Are we now under such prosperous times in USA? See what they have done to destroy the USA as part of this scheme. This was all done for short term greed. I have recommended some reading list in one of my recent emails and I hope all have had the opportunity to do some reading.

Summary
So in ending this email let me ask you just one more question. If you had a gravy train and you legally maneuvered yourself into a position of making billions of dollars each and every month would you want to give it all up for the sake of making maybe a few more billion on a one time shot of a revaluation of a currency? Of course not!

People keep asking this same question on the intel calls and I also get lots if emails on this topic too. It’s as if you think these politicians holding up this GCR have so much at stake to lose in lost money from the revaluation if it does not happen.
They do not ! Don’t be so naive.
Believe me they have far much more to lose from doing it than to gain from doing it. I hope you now understand. This is the why they hold it up. This GCR is the beginning of the eventual end of their scamming the American people since the inception of the Federal Reserve.
Just have patients. Eventually, if nothing else, the GCR will be forced out and it will occur. That time is coming near. As I have said above the IMF are the real gatekeepers of this process. They have been very patient with the USA but this is about to end.

Hopes this helps everyone.

Peace and Luv to ya,
mnt goat
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Thoughts and Opinions in Dinarland Late Tuesday Night

Thoughts and Opinions in Dinarland Late Tuesday Night

10/15/2013
 TNT:

[daz] ....We are all on a Bus.....we are riding through the countryside looking out the windows...the scenary is somewhat familiar and we try to determine our final destination by the passing landmarks. The Bus driver, we assume, is capable of getting us to our destination safely but he alone knows the route and ETA. As passengers we can only remain seated and calm and wait till the Bus stops. Meanwhile...we may as well enjoy the ride.

[penneypincher] ALREADY BLESSED got confirmation from my boots on the ground...that it is all over the papers that it is international.

[keiji] penneypincher what papers are those?

[jlw] penneypincher : Iraqi newspapers?

[RockingTheFreeWorld] penneypincher except in the us and all other western worlds lol

[penneypincher] He said just more confirmation it is coming... he doesnt do chats, forums,...He told us he would contact us as he heard it from over there....so call came today.
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(loechin] Just got a text from Iraq they are now saying their currency has just went international also saying it in Afganastan as well

[loechin] I'm still in Bolivia and Internet is bad

[wantingfreedom] More confirmation and More confirmation . . this is GREAT guys!!

may5star] I reported this earlier. Take it for what its worth. I took a $20 Bahamian Dollar I had from a recent cruise to WF. It was a simple transaction. The teller took the bill and compared it with a list from a WF book of approved currencies. He confirmed I was an acct holder and contacted the currency dept. He asked me if it was a buy back or exchange. I said exchange. He took my bill and placed it in an inner office enveloped and filled out a form. My rate was 1USD to 75 cent Bahamian Dollar. When I asked why such a low rate when it was just 1 to 1 in August? The lead teller approaches us and say "all currencies are going thru changes"... A little light of hope is NEVER a bad thing to share ;)

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StraightTalkChat:

[MsM] If you want to achieve your dreams... you have to WAKE UP!

[August] I believe and feel that they truly are giving the best of what they are receiving from their sources. I also believe that some sources are intentionally adding things to the intel so as to not have the intel point back to them (giving misleading information). At this point we have to make a decision based on what we know thus far, who has given the best intel. I have my picks and I listen, read everything I can and they have been spot on as so many others have been so wrong. I have scratched others from my list. So at the end of the day if we are on a emotional roller coaster ride (which I can relate) it is truly by choice.

[cman8] August There is nothing you said that I disagree with, I am 100% on board with you on that. I have most that I have scratched off and a select few I read everything and look out for. I wouldn't necessarily say the emotional roller coaster is by choice, it's become apart of our lives and due to the anxiety and stress this has put on us. We are getting tired of it, it's like a movie with a bunch of plot twists and we don't know how it will end.

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Jester’s Place:

[ModelWoman] Jester Ok you asked for it LOL.....here's my question since I am so confused......If the goverment doesn't come to an agreement before Thursday and the US defaults.... is that what you are referring to as the "Easy Way" where the bad guys go and then the Rebirth The Republic Occurs and then the RV/Global Currency Reset takes place after that?

[Grunt0311] ModelWoman THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION... SEVERAL DIFFERENT PARTS TO IT...

[ModelWoman] Grunt0311 Not really just want to know if I am making sense of the "Easy Way"?

[Grunt0311] ModelWoman LET'S BREAK IT DOWN LOGICLY... FIRST WE HAVE THE US GOV SHUTDOWN: RAISE THE DEBT CEILING OR DEFAULT? IF WE RAISE THE DEBT CEILING, THE FED KEEPS PRINTING MONEY. IF WE DEFAULT, WE START TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR OUR DEBT. EITHER WAY, IT IS ALL FOR SHOW.

[[DiddyKong] ModelWoman here it is as simple as I can explain it: Easy way, let the debt ceiling not be raised and default on paying bills the natural way so things can progress for the better. Hard way, raise the debt ceiling and other forces will be forced to crash the US debt manipulation system (Lower credit rating, dumping of bonds, etc.)

[shark] Jester -Is everything going as plan?? will the usa default??

[Jester] shark WELL... DEPENDS ON WHO YOU ASK... I DO BELIEVE IT IS ALL BEING FED TO THEM...

Jester] shark DANG TWO QUESTIONS... DEFAULT IS NOT REALLY WHAT THAT IS ALL ABOUT... THERE ARE OPTIONS... UNFORTUNATELY THEY ARE MAKING YOU THINK THAT IS WHAT WILL HAPPEN WHEN IT REALLY WON'T...

 [cchad3] Jester A couple of nights ago you made reference to a treaty that was signed, effective July 12, this year that would allow for the co existence of the FRN and the TRN for a period of six months. I mentioned this on another site earlier today, was just trying to be helpful, and was called out, they asked to see evidence of this treaty. I have looked and not been able to find any reference to it, is there anything out there that can be used to back that up?

[Jester] cchad3 SO... ASK THEM FOR PROOF THAT SAYS THE IRAQI DINAR WILL REVALUE.... LOL... SAME THING...

[Grunt0311] honeybelle HERE'S A GOOD EXAMPLE... A BAD GUY TRIED TO DO A DEAL WITH A GOOD GUY, AND THE GOOD GUY CAUGHT HIM. THE GOOD GUY WANTS TO HAVE THE BAD GUY ARRESTED, BUT THE BAD GUY TRIED TO HAVE THE GOOD GUY KILLED. SO, THE BAD GUY SITS THERE ON THE "LIST" UNTIL THE OPPORTUNITY TO ARREST HIM PRESENTS ITSELF.

[citizensoldier] "The great thieves lead away the little thief." - Diogenes Born: 412 BC Died: 323 BC Not much has changed in human bevavior in the that 2,300 years or so..

 [KettleP] Well let us all pray that an agreement will be reached before tomorow night's dead line. I am afaid it will go past that point.

[DiddyKong] KettleP we dont want an agreement made

 [Grunt0311] KettleP IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT GOES PAST THE DEADLINE OR NOT.

 [moneydr] Grunt0311 why doesn't it matter?

[KettleP] Grunt0311 ok I dont understand Why.? Please fill me in.

[Grunt0311] KettleP IT IS ALL A SHOW. WHY DO YOU THINK NATIONAL PARKS ARE CLOSED? LOL

[Grunt0311] KettleP THE ENTIRE SHUTDOWN IS LAUGHABLE.

[moneydr] Grunt0311 show for what?

[Grunt0311] moneydr DEMS VS. GOP AND NOT HAVING ANYTHING BETTER TO DO... ALTHOUGH, I WILL SAY THAT THERE IS A SMALL GROUP OF POLITICIANS THAT ARE GENUINELY CONCERNED ABOUT OUR FUTURE.

[redhorse] DiddyKong no, we "want" an agreement!!

[DiddyKong] redhorse lol, we don't ….let the system default and dissolve naturally

[Constitution] i dont want an agreement i want to see the fed fall flat on its Face and like the titantic slowly sink into the abyss

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I am getting very bored with this shutdown meme

Reader: I am getting very bored with this shutdown meme
Posted By: Susoni [Send E-Mail]
Date: Tuesday, 15-Oct-2013 18:10:49
Me too.. That is why I steer away from the subject (for the most part)... :-)
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Re: CGI's ChasVoice: Frightening! Complete 100....
I am getting very bored with this shutdown meme. I am hoping that it will transform back into shut up (the oath finger pointing my 2-two lips are sealed palette plate holder). Drunvalo I believe is the only researcher to point this critical obstruction out as it is the first and last imprint of the living heart field as it manifests the living trauma thought that becomes your present field expression. I think John A West makes mention when he says that the seed of creation is formed between god's 2 lips by this teeth claim marks (he didn't say this, but I couldn't help the embellishment) that then becomes the complete Temple of eternally erect or upright Man.
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