Wednesday, July 31, 2013

175 Year Old Great Lakes Schooner Located in Lake Ontario

175 Year Old Great Lakes Schooner Located in Lake Ontario

Thursday, July 25, 2013

Rochester, New York - The wreckage of the schooner Atlas which sank in 1839 during a gale has been located in Lake Ontario.  The Atlas may be the oldest confirmed commercial schooner discovered in the Great Lakes.  A team of shipwreck enthusiasts, Jim Kennard, Roger Pawlowski and Roland Stevens, located the schooner while searching for sunken ships near Oswego, NY.
A Disastrous Event
In early May 1839 the schooner Atlas was transporting a cargo of Black River limestone from Chaumont to the port of Oswego. Within a few miles of its final destination the Atlas encountered gale force winds from the northwest which more than likely caused a shift in the heavy cargo taking the schooner swiftly to the bottom of Lake Ontario.  The schooner sank so quickly there was no time for anyone to escape and all on board were carried to the deep depths of the lake.  Only a few articles from the schooner were found later by the steamer Telegraph that had been sent out to where the Atlas was seen going down.  These included a pair of oars, a coat, two hats, and a pair of boots.
Schooner built in 1838
The Atlas, a two masted schooner, was built in Dexter, NY in 1838 and owned by Ortha Little & Son for the specific purpose of transporting building stone from the quarries in the Chaumont, NY area.  The cargo was owned by Asa Davis who at that time was furnishing the cut stone for the U.S. government pier in Oswego.  Stone from the Davis quarries was later used in the construction of the Gerrit Smith building (public library) and a number of other structures in Oswego.
Lost on the Atlas
The crew of the Atlas consisted of Ashel Westcott, of Brownville, Jefferson county, aged about 26; Ortha Little, of Hounsfield, Jefferson county, part owner of the schooner and a sailor on board, aged 48; William Ackerman of Brownville, a sailor, aged 19; John See, a sailor, aged 18; and Asa Davis of Chaumont, owner of the cargo, aged 30 years, son of Phineas Davis, of Mexico, NY.
Discovery and Survey of the Shipwreck
The schooner Atlas was located in late June by a high resolution DeepVision side scan sonar system. Last week the team returned to deploy an underwater remote operated vehicle (ROV) and obtain a video recording of the remains of the shipwreck.   In a depth of upwards of 300 feet the visibility is limited to lighting provided by the ROV.  The remains of the schooner can best be summed up as a mess.   The ship sank like the stone it was carrying, hitting hard on the bottom of Lake Ontario and collapsing the deck. The impact probably weakened the sides of the schooner causing them to fall away.  One of the masts is resting to the starboard side of the wreck and the other back past the port stern of the ship.  Only the aft deck remains with the ship’s wheel heavily encrusted with mussels.  Just forward of this deck is one of the holds of the ship, containing a large piece of cut stone.  From this area to the bow, boards jut out at different angles indicating how violent the impact must have been when it crashed into the bottom.   At the bow one anchor is still hanging on the starboard side while the port anchor is resting on the bottom.  The video appears to show a reinforced stern area from which the stone was probably loaded. The best estimate of the ship size is approximately 52 feet in length with a beam of 16 ½ feet.
Possibly the Oldest Confirmed Great Lakes Commercial Schooner
A search of shipwreck databases and discussions with several maritime historians was made to determine if there was another previously discovered Great Lakes commercial schooner that may be older than the Atlas.  There has been some speculation of earlier vessels but none have been positively identified.  
Historic Shipwrecks in New York State waters
Historic shipwrecks abandoned and embedded in New York State underwater lands belong to the people of the State of New York and are protected by state and federal law from unauthorized disturbance.
The shipwreck survey in Lake Ontario was funded by a grant from The National Museum of the Great Lakes/Great Lakes Historical Society of Vermillion, Ohio.
Shipwreck Discovery Team
Jim Kennard has been diving and exploring the lakes in the northeast since 1970. He has found over 200 shipwrecks in the Great Lakes, Lake Champlain, NY Finger Lakes and in the Mississippi and Ohio Rivers over the past 35 years. In 1983 he discovered a unique horse powered ferryboat in Lake Champlain.  National Geographic featured the ferryboat in their October 1989 issue.  In May 2008 Jim Kennard and Dan Scoville discovered the British warship HMS Ontario, the oldest shipwreck ever found in the Great Lakes, and in late September 2008 a rare 200 year old "dagger-board" schooner. Both discoveries received worldwide attention in the news.  Kennard is a Fellow member of The Explorers Club.
Roger Pawlowski has been diving on shipwrecks in the northeast and Florida for the past 12 years.  He is a retired Air Force Reserve pilot and flew missions in Desert Storm.  In 1980 while flying a practice mission over Lake Ontario he witnessed a small aircraft plunge into the lake.  His details of the incident and location helped Kennard locate the aircraft which was several miles from shore and in over 100 feet underwater.  Pawlowski is an electrical engineer and runs his own engineering consulting business.
Roland ‘Chip’ Stevens is a retired architect and working artist whose watercolors are well known in the Rochester area, many of which have been accepted into national exhibitions.  A sailor for many years, Stevens has a love of the sea as reflected in his seascapes.  A number of his paintings of shipwrecks discovered by the team have appeared in news stories and publications.  Stevens created a sketch of the schooner Atlas as it appears today on the bottom of Lake Ontario based on the ROV video recording.

[For photos, see: http://tinyurl.com/mumclxt ]

Dinar Intel - Mort - 7/31/13 --- AWAITING PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT

[mort] just talked with my international attorney and he said the rv is all been done & legal-just the public announcement has not been announced yet and that's is suppose to be announced anytime now and when that happens -his traders will tell him to come to Reno to get business done..

Russian Invasion dreams

John, please post this.  There are too many of us throughout this nation who have had and are having now warning dreams, visions and words from the Lord about what is shortly to come to pass.

Since the 1980's I, too, have had revelations from the Lord confirming what is stated below.  Troops will be pouring into our nation on the North side from Canada, while troops will pour in on the South via Mexico. There will also be troops parachuting in as well as entering from the coasts.  We have been told over and over by Drake and others that the Russians and Chinese are on our soil to protect us, but THIS IS A LIE. Americans have long been sold out by the enemy within, the enemy that has been allowed to continue to hold their leadership offices and thus to continue their traitorous activities against this nation. This is happening to us not only because of the 'debts' of the private corporation, THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA CORPORATION, but because we will pay the price for doing nothing about the traitors, and especially for not repenting before the Lord for the sins of this nation.


First off I want to thank you doing all that you do to alert us to whats going on in this crazy world. I've been reading your website for a few years now and really enjoy you and V and Pastor Lankford on the Hagmann and Hagmann show.
I probably should have wrote to you earlier concerning four vivid dreams I have had over the past five or six years dealing with a military invasion of Great Falls Montana. In each dream I was in a different location but I was witnessing what I believe was the same event from a different place in town and out of town.
In the first dream I was near Malmstrom AFB east of Great Falls and I saw something similar to Chinook helicopters repelling foreign troops out on thefarmland. Shortly thereafter I could hear automatic weapons being fired into the farmhouses nearby and the first thought that came to my mind was that I wished I had more time to prepare for what was coming down on us all. Also, the gun that I had with me wouldn't load properly adding to the panic.

The second dream I was in the southern part of town and I looked up in the sky and I saw dozens of large foreign military aircraft flying high in formation over the town, there were maybe 30 or more of them. I don't remember any bombs being dropped from them but shortly thereafter there were a few explosions and the house near where I was had been hit with something and was engulfed with flames. The few people I was with were pretty frantic and we knew we had a short time to try to escape the troops we knew were coming from the south.

The third dream I had I was in the north part of town near the top of the hill that overlooks the whole city. This time I saw fighter jets that were bombing and strafing numerous buildings all over town in what seemed like a random pattern. The whole picture was shocking to take in and I remembered the previous dreams and the same sinking feeling set in along with the desire to get out of there quickly.

The fourth dream was at night time just before it gets light, I was out of town maybe 15- 20 miles away sleeping in someone's house when suddenly I was awakened by the roar of fighter jets flying 200 feet overhead. So I got up to see what was happening and I watched as our jets were having dogfights with these foreign planes. Shortly after I saw thick black smoke coming from behind a hill and I knew that one of our planes was shot down. My attention was drawn away for a little while to try to find out if there was any news on the tv to explain what was going on and when I looked outside again there weredozens of smoke plumes from our jets that had been shot down. I then got out my binoculars to survey the scene and when I looked through them I was able to see up close a very disturbing picture of civilian people, (not troops), who I knew were Russians chasing down a farmer and his family. They were trying to hide but were caught and immediately shot on sight. This was happening many miles away but the binoculars made it seem like I was right there. The weird part of this dream was that I felt like the people who shot the farmer and his family did it so they could take over the farm.

The overall feeling I got from these dreams was that it wasn't going to happen right away but lately I get the feeling the time is near. It's time we all draw close to the Lord Jesus and get right with him because he alone is able to protect us from all these things prophesied to happen. Even so come Lord Jesus.
If you put this on the website please don't use my name, God bless
Jul 30, 2013

Dear Steve,
Sunday night I had a dream that was very, very disturbing. You always pray that believers will have dreams and get guidance from them, and I think the question I had been asking the Lord was answered.  The question was:  should I stay here and hunker down, or go somewhere else? Years ago I had some dreams that came true just the way I dreamed them. The dreams that are in widescreen technicolor are always the ones that happen, and this one was that way, almost like watching a movie but participating at the same time. I was also very aware during the dream of all the things I have learned from you, the Hagmanns, Hawk and all the other watchmen.
The dream took place where I live on a large ranch where I live in a small cabin in southwest Colorado. There are 2 other houses, one occupied by 2 other tenants, and one about a quarter mile away where the landlord lives. My friend was visiting me early in the morning and we were going to do some gardening chores together when we heard a lot of motor vehicles coming down the dirt road from town that ends at this ranch. We went to look and saw the road totally filled as far as we could see with limousines, suv's, dump trucks, 18 wheelers and caterpillar tractors. They all turned in through our gate and more just kept pouring in as they filled all the driveway length and then started going up toward the landlord's house. When the road got too narrow, a caterpillar would move out and doze out portions of the hill by the road to make it wider for all the vehicles to get through.

About 150 people or more got out of the limousines and suv's and started setting up tables in the meadow out front of my cabin and the house. They threw down large rolls of blueprints and were all walking around with headsets, phones, and tablet computers, all talking at once and very busy.They weren't dressed for outside work.  All were in business suits, etc. I felt like I was in an ant hill. I ran out to the people and kept asking over and over what was going on, and what they were doing there. They totally ignored me and just pushed me aside without answering. I went back to my cabin and people were inside throwing all my things out the door into the meadow. I called for my pets and they were gone!! I asked where my pets were, and again, was ignored and pushed aside. I couldn't find my dogs or cats anywhere-they had disappeared or most likely killed. I was so angry and upset, but couldn't get anyone to pay attention. We wanted to get in our cars and leave but they were blocked in by all the other vehicles.

My friend and I decided to walk down the road to another house about a half mile away and see if they knew what was going on. We couldn't walk on the road because more vehicles were coming, a long line of them, and the road is very narrow so we walked through the trees and fields. We got to the farmhouse and found most all of the neighbors there, apparently having a meeting to figure out what to do.

I asked them what was going on, even though I had a pretty good idea by then. One of them asked: "Didn't you hear about "R" (my landlord and owner of the ranch)?  They put a gun to his head last night and forced him to sign over his whole ranch to them. They didn't give him a penny even though it's been paid off for years. He was shoved out the door with the clothes on his back, and they kept all of his tractors and equipment, too! They are trying to take all the land, especially along this road that has good water

Suddenly I knew that the reason none of the people would talk to me - they were foreigners and didn't speak English, and they were here just taking anything they wanted, thanks to our governments betrayal of the American people. 

Then I woke up and prayed, asking for the Lord to reveal where I need to go, if this place is going to be overrun, I live alone with my pets so I hope the answer comes soon because I knew in the dream that the time is very short now, and our options are getting more limited by the day. I have had many dreams, but I think this was the most disturbing, and yet I know it will get so much worse than I can even imagine. May the Lord shelter us all beneath His Wings.

God bless you and protect you Steve. You and all the watchmen are in my prayers daily, I was back slidden, but you got me back where I need to be and now, as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.
Susan

Jul 31, 2013

Richie Parker ---- DRIVE

It's the whole [constitution] that's missing!

31 July A.D. 2013

There are a lot of college and graduate-level degree holders who have "no clue" what our present legal reality is.  What's worse, they don't have the analytical "attitude" or basic set of skills even to begin to work through the problem.  It seems that the farther into the educational system one goes, the less likely it is that one will "see" our present legal reality.

Key to the learning of the reality is just seeing things as they are, rather than as they are painted.  For example, the office-holder with the title "president" was born in Kenya.  He's not "natural born," but that doesn't make one bit of difference.  Conclusion:  That part of the "constitution" isn't relevant to our/the present system.

Expansion on that particular situation: 
Since the "constitution" is a "package deal," an "all or nothing deal," where when we find even one part missing, it's not just the one part that's missing.  What's missing is the whole.  Thus, we know that because the obama-nation was born in Kenya and yet the "president" (of whatever), that the system is not created by, and therefore not limited by, the "constitution."

Let's do another one.  The "constitution" says that no State shall allow anything but gold and silver Coin as payment of debt.  But, what circulates these days is "funny money."  Thus, that part of the "constitution" isn't relevant to our present system.

Because the "constitution" is a "package deal," an "all or nothing deal," we conclude that we have no "constitution," because gold and silver Coin are, not only, not the means of payment of debt but also don't even circulate generally, at the moment.  Thus, because there is no gold or silver Coin in general circulation, we know that the system in operation at present is not created by, and therefore is also not limited by, the "constitution."

As we find more and more and more parts missing, we simply have that much more evidence that we're not dealing with a "constitution"-based system.

To go through the "constitution" and take it apart and look at the difference, on a clause-by-clause analysis, between that language and what's happening "governmentally," is to see that
there's very, very, very little of the "constitution" that is even in the minds of those running that system.  Since it's a "package deal," where even one part is missing, it's not just that part that's missing.  It's the whole [constitution] that's missing!

From there, we come to learn that there's "one thing," one system, which is, essentially, the "bank," and that it's national, and that everything else is a subset of that one system.

[Thus, as it relates to the 50 States "corporate resignation," it's nuts to say, much less even to think, that there are 50 separate anythings in this system, much less that the commercial entities that pretend to be States these days are States.  They aren't.  They're STATEs.  They are "counties" within the unified plan of "this state."]

Harmon L. Taylor
Legal Reality
Dallas, Texas

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JPMorgan Looks to Pay to Settle U.S. Inquiries

From: v.k.durham
Subj: JPMorgan Looks to Pay to Settle U.S. Inquiries [WHEN ARE THEY GOING TO PAY THE PEOPLE BACK ON WHAT THEY STOLE?]
 

http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2013/07/30/jpmorgan-to-pay-410-million-in-power-market-manipulation-case/?hp

JPMorgan Looks to Pay to Settle U.S. Inquiries

By JESSICA SILVER-GREENBERG and BEN PROTESS
Jamie Dimon of JPMorgan Chase is trying to mend relationships with regulators.
Richard Drew/Associated - Press Jamie Dimon of JPMorgan
Chase is trying to mend relationships with regulators.

Updated, 10:00 p.m. | JPMorgan Chase is pulling out its checkbook to help mend frayed relationships with the government.

But its new and conciliatory approach — a departure for the bank and its leader, Jamie Dimon, who generally has taken a hard line with the authorities — is yielding mixed results. Government officials, stung by the bank’s past displays of hubris, may drive up the price of settlements or resist the overtures altogether.

The hefty payouts started on Tuesday when JPMorgan struck a $410 million settlement with the nation’s top energy regulator, which had accused the bank of devising “manipulative schemes” to transform “money-losing power plants into powerful profit centers.” The agreement was a record fine for the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission, whose most recent settlement with a big bank totaled only $1.6 million.

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JPMorgan is bracing for an even larger penalty stemming from shoddy mortgage securities it sold to the government. In a sign that JPMorgan is struggling to placate some authorities, people briefed on the matter said, a housing regulator recently rejected an offer the bank made to settle those claims.

While JPMorgan is likely to fight some cases, the bank is quietly courting officials from the Securities and Exchange Commission, which is investigating the bank’s multibillion-dollar trading loss in London last year, the people say. It is unclear whether the S.E.C. investigators are receptive to JPMorgan’s advances.

The bank’s new approach comes down, at least in part, to dollars and cents. While the settlements are expensive, they pale in comparison to the sort of legal bills that come with long — and embarrassing — legal battles.

At the New York Stock Exchange. The S.E.C. is investigating JPMorgan's multibillion-dollar trading loss last year.
Shannon Stapleton/Reuters - At the New York Stock Exchange. The S.E.C. is investigating JPMorgan’s multibillion-dollar trading loss last year.

The conciliatory tack also reflects a growing recognition among bank executives that JPMorgan was swiftly losing credibility in Washington. At least eight federal agencies are investigating the bank, and some regulators have portrayed JPMorgan as something of a bully.

For example, regulators have accused the bank of resisting scrutiny of the $6 billion trading loss in London. That echoed claims from the energy regulator, which accused the bank of stonewalling its investigation.

The complaints have buffeted Mr. Dimon, JPMorgan’s chief executive, who was once known as Washington’s favorite banker. In a meeting in April, regulators from the Federal Reserve and the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency warned Mr. Dimon that they were losing patience with JPMorgan.

Since then, Mr. Dimon has taken a more contrite tone. Weeks after the scolding, people briefed on the matter said, Mr. Dimon took a rare step of convening a town-hall-style meeting with examiners stationed at the bank’s Park Avenue headquarters. While he did not apologize for past missteps, Mr. Dimon conveyed a willingness to respond to their concerns, according to the people briefed on the matter, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the meetings were not public.

Mr. Dimon also met with the comptroller of the currency, Thomas J. Curry, to forge a direct relationship with one of his top regulators. In the meeting, people briefed on the matter said, Mr. Dimon told Mr. Curry to bring any concerns directly to senior management.

Mr. Dimon later apologized in a letter to shareholders for letting “our regulators down” and vowed to “do all the work necessary to complete the needed improvements.” The bank, executives note, committed resources to bolster internal controls, a measure that could help improve its frayed relationships with regulators.

Still, the outreach is a work in progress. Some regulators said they were hesitant to believe that the bank was truly reforming its ways, with one official describing the government’s reaction as “trust but verify.”

Mr. Dimon also cautioned shareholders that the bank would most likely face more federal enforcement actions in “the coming months.” Mr. Curry’s agency, for one, is considering an enforcement action against JPMorgan for using faulty documents in lawsuits against customers who fell behind on their credit card bills.

JPMorgan’s most costly case could be its battle with the government over billions of dollars in mortgages it sold to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-controlled housing finance companies.

The Federal Housing Finance Agency, which oversees Fannie and Freddie, accused JPMorgan and 17 other banks of selling mortgage securities that later imploded.

Now that the Swiss bank UBS reached a settlement with the agency this month, JPMorgan is next in line for a court date. JPMorgan lawyers want to resolve the case before that point, according to the people briefed on the matter. Yet an accord is proving elusive. The housing regulator balked at JPMorgan’s initial offer to settle, a setback for the bank.

A settlement with an energy regulator ended efforts to charge Blythe Masters, a JPMorgan executive known for devising complex financial products.
Manuel Balce Ceneta/Associated Press - A settlement with an energy regulator ended efforts to charge Blythe Masters, a JPMorgan executive known for devising complex financial products.

JPMorgan had more success with the energy regulator. Even though it extracted the $410 million settlement on Tuesday, the regulator spared a senior bank executive, Blythe Masters, who investigators originally contended made “false and misleading statements under oath.”

In March, agency investigators said that they planned to recommend that the regulator hold Ms. Masters “individually liable,” a move that would have cast a shadow over her career on Wall Street, where she is well known for developing complex financial instruments. The decision to forgo individual charges against Ms. Masters and three of her employees was an abrupt reversal for the regulator, which did not accuse her of lying in its final order. It is also a major victory for Ms. Masters.

The accusations of market manipulation surfaced in a confidential commission document reviewed by The New York Times. The document, a warning that investigators would recommend that the agency pursue civil charges, outlined a pattern of illegal trading in the California and Michigan electricity markets.

Since the regulator’s findings surfaced, JPMorgan has defended Ms. Masters and the traders, disputing that “Blythe Masters or any employee lied or acted inappropriately in this matter.”

The accusations against JPMorgan originated from its rights to sell electricity from power plants that it acquired after the bank took over Bear Stearns in 2008.

The plants the bank inherited were outdated and inefficient. Still, the regulator said, traders in Houston found a workaround. To transform the power plants into profit generators, the agency said, JPMorgan’s traders adopted eight different “schemes” from September 2010 to June 2011.

The trading strategies offered electricity at prices that appeared falsely attractive to state energy authorities. The effort prompted authorities in California and Michigan to make excessive payments that helped drive up energy prices, the regulator said.

As part of the settlement on Tuesday, JPMorgan will pay a civil penalty of $285 million to the Treasury Department. JPMorgan will also pay $125 million in “unjust profits,” the regulator said.

Under the deal, the bank must also make annual reports to the commission for three years detailing its power business in the United States. While JPMorgan acknowledged the facts of the trading strategies, outlined in the settlement, the bank did not admit or deny wrongdoing.

For JPMorgan, which reported a record $6.5 billion in quarterly profits this month, the pact will hardly dent the bank’s bottom line. But the deal, a bank spokesman said, does help the bank “put this matter behind us.”

A version of this article appeared in print on 07/31/2013, on page B1 of the NewYork edition with the headline: JPMorgan Looks to Pay to Settle U.S. Inquiries.

Jester and I4U Members Chat Late Monday Night - 7/30/13

Jester and I4U Members Chat Late Monday Night
07/30/2013
7 Comments
 
[Jester] HELLO CASTLE MODS, PEEPS, LURKERS, NEWBIES, AND CRITTERS... HOPE YOU ARE ALL HAVING A GREAT NIGHT!

[FLPatriot59] Jester Is it all done, as in complete. As in we're just waiting for an email ASN?

[Jester] Grunt0311 HEY BIG GUY... GOOD TO SEE YOU...

[Jester] GUYS... Grunt0311 IS A GOOD GUY.... AND A GOOD FRIEND... HE KNOWS WHAT IS HAPPENING...

[Hannah] Jester Yeah, HE knows whats happening but HE sure won't share!! lol

[Grunt0311] Jester Thanks for that.

[Jester] Grunt0311 YOU THE MAN....

[triple777] Jester call Okie and have our emails delivered and then you can enjoy the rest of your life and not come in here twice a day and answer questions. Make it easy on yourself and lets just RV, works for me, how about you.?
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[Jester] triple777 I LIKE THAT IDEA TOO... LOTS OF RUMORS LEANING THAT DIRECTION TONIGHT... LOL

[Hannah] Jester Soooo.... what time do those pesky little extensions expire?

 [Jester] Hannah DEPENDS ON WHO YOU TALK TO... IF STARTED FROM FRIDAY THEN 12 TONIGHT... IF OFF THE ORIGINAL TREATIES MAYBE TOMORROW NIGHT... HARD TO TIE DOWN...

[musiccitylady] Hannah the extensions got extended roflmao

[peacemaan] Jester what does Zap know that we don't know? Lol

[Jester] peacemaan UMMMM... THE CHINESE ELDERS WOULD BE MY ANSWER... WISH I COULD MEET THEM SOME DAY... WHAT AN HONOR THAT WOULD BE....

[Raytheplumber] Jester Any luck on purple pigs?

[Jester] Raytheplumber I THINK WE NARROWED IT DOWN TO MEANING THE TIME OF PROSPERITY AND ABUNDANCE IN THE CHINESE WAY...

[FLPatriot59] Jester Are these real treaties (2/3 majority of Senate-approved, ratified by POTUS) or just Executive Orders?

 [Jester] FLPatriot59 TREATIES WTIH 8 OTHER COUNTRIES ON THE TREATMENT OF THE FRN WITHIN THE SYSTEM AFTER THE RV... A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED THAN THAT BUT THAT IS THE GIST OF IT...

[lightman1] Jester is there any truth to the rumor an Elder is on his was to US to witness final signing?

[Grunt0311] lightman1 That is probably something we can't talk about.

moneydr] Jester - who is this Elder you talk about?

[Jester] moneydr WE THINK THEY ARE WORKING ON THE FINAL DETAILS... MUCH TO BE DONE AFTER THE FACT TOO... DON'T FORGET THAT PART...

[musiccitylady] I'm an Elder now... had a birthday last week lol

Jester] musiccitylady WELL I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE TO BE OVER 100 TO BE AN ELDER... SOMEONE TOLD ME 112... SO... I DON'T THINK SO... LOL

 [gdsgrl21] Jester hi luv, has the third person positioned yet or still waiting?

[Jester] gdsgrl21 STILL ON STANDBY... BUT AWARE THAT THEIR MIGHT BE A POST RV TIMELINE ON THAT TOO...

[canadagoose] Jester what is the paris club that had the deadlines and met them?

[Jester] canadagoose PARIS CLUB IS AN IRAQ THING... FOR THE DEBTS THEY OWE TO OTHERS... I HAVE NOT YET BEEN ABLE TO FIND A DATE ASSOCIATED WITH IT...

[pat] Jester have you heard anything from okie

[Jester] pat TALKED TO HIM LAST NIGHT... HE IS UP TO SPEEED... READY TO DO HIS THING WHEN THE TIME COMES...

[canadagoose] Jester thank you :). In your opinion, does the verdict on bradley manning happening tomorrow have any importance?

[Jester] canadagoose I SERIOUSLY DOUBT IT... THAT IS AN INTERNAL PROBLEM COMING OUT TO THE LIGHT...

[pat] Jester did okie say if things looked soon

[Jester] pat LOT'S OF GOOD THINGS GOING ON.... HE KNOWS...

[bigbear] Jester With 1700 deaths in Iraq it would seem somebody should let them have a break before it is to late for everyone---Your thoughts

Jester] bigbear NOT ONLY IRAQ... BUT SYRIA... EGYPT... LOTS OF THE WORLD HAS BIG PROBLEMS... IT NEEDS TO GET DONE TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE PRESSURE..

[highlander65] [elvisgirl] Jester Do you believe that they could get an extension past Ramadan?? If so Do you believe there is a deadline in August??

Jester] highlander65 NOT SEEING ANY EXTENSION.... WHY WOULD THE PEOPLE NOT WANT TO HAVE MORE MONEY TO SPEND DURING THEIR HOLY TIME? I DON'T GET WHY THAT IS PUT OUT THERE...

[hunter35] Jester What is the redemption of historical assets tied to . . . what kind of funding?

[Jester] hunter35 IT IS A DEBT THAT WAS NEVER PAID OFF... NEEDS TO GET REPAID TO GET IT OFF THE WORLD BOOKS....

[MTGranny] Jester Has Snowden been a catalyst in moving the Republic along in your opinion? Any thoughts you wish to share?

[Jester] MTGranny JUST A COINCIDENCE IN MY OPINION... THEY HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS SINCE BEFORE MOST OF US WERE BORN...

ModelWoman] clap Jester It's just like our Christmas we have to have Moolah to give Gifts! Lol

[Jester] ModelWoman THAT IS PRETTY MUCH IT... GOOD WAY TO LOOK AT IT...

[moneydr] Jester ... what's the scoop on the Republic? O is spending money we the people don't have like a drunken fool. Any idea when he'll be out of office? Don't mind me ... I'm just an American who loves her country

[Jester] moneydr THOSE GUYS HAVE TO GET THEIR LAST LICKS IN... IT WILL CATCH UP TO THEM SOON...

[pokerbrat] Jester a new ride or a trip to Vegas what should I do first?

[Jester] pokerbrat GET THE RIDE AND GO TO VEGAS IN IT... LOL

[sign] Jester Question...if the US is a corporation does that make all of us as citizens part of the corporation or individal corporation?

[Jester] sign READ THIS AND STUDY IT FOR YOUR ANSWER.  http://www.usavsus.info/

[LucidVisions] Jester Any thoughts on the secret Obama Hillary lunch today. I've heard many theories but none of them add up with the Republic coming into view. Just curious if you have any input, or if it is even revelent... because you know us dinarians & our wild imaginations.

[Jester] LucidVisions MAYBE PLANNING THEIR ESCAPE ROUTE... LOL

 [LucidVisions] Jester Thats what I thought and told others today.

[veggielover] Jester With as many computer problems and technical problems I face in my own life I question whether it is even possible to ever pull this RV off. See much hope?

[Jester] veggielover THEY HAVE A LOT BETTER COMPUTERS... LOL

 [Jester] OK... LOOKS LIKE MOST OF THE QUESTIONS ARE ANSWERED... THERE REALLY IS NOT THA MUCH MORE TO SAY... LET'S HOPE TONIGHT IT THE NIGHT FOR THE INBOX TO SAY 'YOU HAVE MAIL'...


Obamacare Supporters Sign Petition For “Mandatory Euthanasia” Of Senior Citizens

Obamacare Supporters Sign Petition For “Mandatory Euthanasia” Of Senior Citizens

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People eagerly sign as activist tells them “We’re going to put them to sleep like you would your dog”
Steve Watson
Infowars.com
July 30, 2013
A video clip posted to YouTube by activist Mark Dice shows supporters of Obamacare blindly signing a petition calling for “mandatory euthanasia” under the new health law.
Dice was able to gather several signatures for the fake petition, telling people in San Diego that they were signing to support putting senior citizens “to sleep” in order to save healthcare costs.
“All I needed to do was mention the key words ‘Will you help Obama’ and people sign just about anything,” Dice noted.
In one exchange with a young male passer by, the Social commentator states “This is supporting a euthanasia program to kill senior citizens.” The man responds with the question “if I sign this am I helping to kill old people or helping not to kill them? When Dice explained that “yeah, you’re going to help put them down like you put down your dog,” the man grabbed the petition and said “yeah lets do this,” signing his name with glee and telling Dice “awesome, thank you.”
Another woman questioned Dice saying “wait, we’re signing to put them to sleep?” before signing anyway when Dice explained it would “keep costs down.”
Another passer by signed the petition saying “I’m cool with that, I don’t wanna hang around with people like that if there ‘aint no reason.”
Another young man signed the petition, while Dice told him that old people should be put to sleep as a mandatory measure. The man then bizarrely stated “They got their right to live,” as he walked off.
While some people cottoned on to the ruse, many others just looked confused and signed immediately when Dice told them he was supporting a provision within Obamacare.
This is merely the latest example of how mind-numbingly slavish many Americans are to signing away their inherent freedoms, so long as the reason for doing so is pitched with the right rhetoric.
Previous petitions crafted by Dice and signed by a plethora of Obama supporters called for repealing the Bill Of Rights,  banning the First and Second Amendments, as well as throwing gun owners in prison.
Dice also recently gathered many signatures on a petition to grant Obama complete immunity to commit any crimes he wishes while in office.
Dice also conducted mock ‘Obama Security Force’ bag searches on the campus of San Diego State University as he trashed the 4th amendment. A number of students complied with having their belongings searched when they were told that carrying a bag was a sign of terrorism.
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Steve Watson is the London based writer and editor for Alex Jones’ Infowars.com, andPrisonplanet.com. He has a Masters Degree in International Relations from the School of Politics at The University of Nottingham, and a Bachelor Of Arts Degree in Literature and Creative Writing from Nottingham Trent University.

Dinar Intel - WILDDUCK - 7/31/13

WILDDUCK 

   I HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE TIPPING POINT AND THE FACT THEY NEED TO GET THIS DONE.  THE NEWS IS GOOD AND IT HAS BEEN FOR SEVERAL DAYS.   GOT GOOD REPORTS STARTING LAST NIGHT STILL GOOD TODAY.  [so are you hearing it needs to be done by Aug 1]  THAT IS A FIRE WALL FOR A LOT OF REASONS, THIS IS ABOUT WHEN ONLY...NOT IF.  YOU KNOW THAT WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF MONTH

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   REMEMBER THE CARDS ARE A GOOD KEY TO DEPLOYMENT , SOMETHING TO WATCH FOR IMO.  THE CARDS ARE LOADED TO DA MAX, THE NEED TO WORK IN THE MACHINE, THATS ALL THAT IS LEFT FOR IRAQ.  [Do basically agree with Tony TNT's assessment we could see this in the wee hours?]  MY CRYSTAL BALL, AND MAGIC 8 BALL ARE SEEING GOOD THINGS, THAT JIVES WITH MIDDAY IRAQ TIME IMO. 


Jester - Part 1 - 7/31/13

07/30/2013   Part 1


[Jester]     HELLO  MODS, PEEPS, LURKERS, NEWBIES, AND CRITTERS... HOPE EVERYONE IS DOING WELL TONIGHT...

[Jester]  HI   EVERYONE...

[justincase] Jester - Hi How did you come to be called 'Jester'?

[Jester] justincase LEFT OVER NICKNAME FROM A STORY THAT STARTED A LONG TIME AGO... LOL

[Jester] YOU GUYS STILL CONCERNED OVER GROUPS... (SIGH)

Jester] ALL RIGHT! RIGHT ANSWER!

[couchspud] Jester I will be concerned over groups untill I have solid answers on NDAs and funds required to stay, etc. but no problem waiting to find out cheers

[Jester] couchspud WELL... YOU HAVE TO GET THERE TO GET THE INFO... SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU MEAN...
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[moneydr] Jester .. Got this from friend of mine. Did you hear of this meeting? My Vietnam contact said IMF Christine Lagarde was over there in round-table talking about    "WB" Jim Young Kim & "IMF" Christine Lagarde on the round table at the state bank of Vietnam today. They mentioned plate of gold.

[Jester] moneydr THAT IS A NEW ONE SINCE NOONE HAS SEEN CL SINCE THE COUNTRY ADDING DEBACLE...

[randyv] Jester I know we don't know all the details about taxes yet but what is your opinion?

[Jester] randyv SOME THINGS I HAVE HEARD RECENTLY THAT MIGHT HELP... THINK THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN COMMODITY TRADE AND CURRENCY EXCHANGE... I WILL EXPOUND FURTHER...

[Jester] PRIVATE PLACEMENTS.... AND THAT IS THE GROUP RATE BY THE WAY... WILL BE A PRIVATE PLACEMENT... ARE FOR OIL CREDITS... TRANSFERRING THE DINAR AS AN OIL CREDIT IS PURPORTED TO BE A COMMODITY EXCHANGE... THINKING OF IT THAT WAY MAKES IS SIMPLE...

[Jester] SO THERE ARE NO TAXES FOR COMMODITY EXCHANGE IN THAT REGARD... SO... THAT IS THAT... BUT NOT THE END OF IT...

[Jester] THE 11% YOU KEEP HEARING ABOUT... LET ME ADDRESS THAT... CALL IT A TAX... CALL IT A BROKER FEE... CALL IT WHATEVER YOU WANT... AND AT ANY RATE THAT WILL BE PRE-RATE FOR PRIVATE PLACEMENTS... YOU WON'T EVEN KNOW IT WAS THERE...

[Jester] IT WILL GO TO THE UST FOR THEIR PART IN THE DEAL...

[sandytob] Jester So, if a commodity exchange is not taxed, why will the WF group be paying the 11% tax?

[tc0043] sandytob As I understand it, the 11% is a fee being paid by China to the UST for the right to buy the dinar thru WF.

[Jester] IT WILL GO TO THE UST FOR THEIR PART IN THE DEAL...

[cookiesdad] Jester .. as long as we get more than the rest, it is all good

[Jester] tc0043 EXACTLY...

[Jester] THAT IS WHAT I AM SAYING HERE... SO YOU WALK OUT WITH WHAT THE RATE IS IN YOUR ACCOUNT AND LIVE HAPPILY EVER AFTER...

[Jester] NOW... THAT IS PRIVATE PLACEMENT.... THE DEAL WITH CHINA AND WF... AND THAT IS THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN GET THAT THAT I AM AWARE OF...

[Robertprofessor] Jester Can you say a word about the warning from high security clearance officer on Recaps?

 [plastyxman] sk8pastort what i am trying to say is, you sign the NDA get all of the details and not like the details, you signed a contract, you are stuck.

[blest40] Jester Will we be given adequate time to read the conditions of the group exchange at WD? It sounds as though we might be rushed through.

[Jester] blest40 IT WILL BE PRETTY SIMPLE... THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE A COMPLICATED PROCESS... BRING YOUR DINAR... HERE IS THE DEAL... SIGN ON THE LINE... GET YOUR MONEY...

[Jester] ON TO OTHER DEALS THAT ARE MADE AS GROUP RATES OR WHATEVER ELSE IS CONJURED UP OUT OF THIN AIR TO GET YOU TO GO STRAIGHT TO THE BANK... NO OIL CREIDT DEAL... STRAIGHT CURRENCY EXCHANGE... DO THE MATH...

[gdsgrl21] Jester So technically that 11% isn't coming out of our funds but from China to WF... but this is not related to us paying any tax on the CE ?

[Jester] gdsgrl21 I MADE IT AS CLEAR IAS I COULD... NO WAY TO MAKE IT CLEARER...

 [sandytob] gdsgrl21 I think it means no tax at WF

 [Jester] sandytob NO ONE IS GOING TO TRY AND TRICK YOU... THEY HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR A LONG TIME... IT WILL BE CUT AND DRY... STOP WORRYING...

[fhdinar] Jester, any viewpoints on the process since you were in last night? All dignitaries done IYO?

[Jester] fhdinar HAS BEEN THE QUIETEST AFTERNOON AND EVENING I CAN EVER RECALL... I AM HOPING IT IS THE CALM BEFORE THE STORM...

[jack1977] group ( check) taxes (check ) paper work (check) all is (check) rv (un check have to have that before we skip dont we grin

[charps84] Jester Do you think that WF will force you to use their investment people after signing papers with WF?

[Jester] charps84 NO I DON'T... THEY ARE BROKERING A DEAL HERE GUYS... A DEAL TO GET YOUR DINAR FROM ONE PLACE TO THE OTHER... THEY ARE SIMPLY GOING TO PUT THE MONEY IN AN ACCOUNT AND LET YOU HANDLE IT FROM THERE...

[FLPatriot59] Jester If the QI-Cards go "live" tomorrow in Iraq will that spur on the RV here?

[Jester] FLPatriot59 BIG IF... I REMEMBER PLAYING OUT THAT SCENARIO THE END OF LAST MONTH TOO...

[Robertprofessor] Jester Can you say a word about the warning from high security clearance officer on Recaps?

[Jester] Robertprofessor GOOD ADVICE IF YOU WANT MY OPINION... I WOULD LISTEN TO WHAT HE SAID...

 [blest40] Jester / Robertprofessor -- it certainly gives us an out when people get too snoopy! :o) "I signed and NDA and can't talk about it."

 [Robertprofessor] blest40 That will be my last line of defense ... after I've walked away and the idiot is still insisting I answer his annoying questions.

[moneydr] [FLPatriot59] Jester If we have more VND than dinar, will we not receive as high a rate in the WF Private Exchance since China wants dinar for oil credits and the VND doesn't play into that scenario?

[Jester] moneydr SERIOUSLY DOUBT THAT... HOW DO YOU GUYS THINK THIS STUFF UP ANYWAY? LOL

Jester] moneydr I AM NOT IRRITATED ONE BIT... IT JUST MAKES ME WONDER WHY THERE IS SO MUCH OVERCOMPLICATION GOING ON.. THIS IS WAY SIMPLE...

 [rotormech35] Jester hey, and we're both engineers... I thought WE were supposed to make stuff complicated???? I feel normal in here

[Jester] rotormech35 HARD TO MAKE IT THIS COMPLICATED.. IT IS SO SIMPLE... GET YOUR EMAIL... CALL THE NUMBER... GO TO YOUR APPOINTMENT... LOOK AT THE NDA... MAKE A DECISION... I BET THE DECISION IS OBVIOUS WHEN YOU SEE THE RATE... PICK YOURSELF UP OFF THE FLOOR... SIGN... GET YOUR MONEY... WHISTLE DIXIE OR WHATEVER YOUR FAVORITE TUNE IS WHILE YOU FLOAT ALL THE WAY HOME... LOL

[rotormech35] the funny thing is, it really is that SIMPLE... actually its getting a bit out of hand with the OVERcomplication of this... WoW

 [Robertprofessor] rotormech35 I think we're running out of things to think about, chat about, ask about ... all that matters now is getting the email.

[FLPatriot59] Robertprofessor yeah, I agree. We're grasping at straws.

[Jester] Robertprofessor THIS IS LIKE 'WHAT HAVE WE MISSED'.... BUT WE HAVEN'T MISSED ANYTHING..... LOL

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Jester - Part 2 - 7/31/13

07/31/2013   Part 2


[candy] Jester is there any news on a higher rate for the vnd with wf?

Jester] candy HAVE HEARD RUMORS THAT THERE MAY BE A BUMP FOR YOU TO GET THEM THE BONUS OF GETTING THAT TOO WHILE YOU ARE THERE... NOT ABLE TO CONFIRM THOUGH... I AM GOING TO TAKE MINE AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS... NO REASON NOT TO...

[wango1] FLPatriot59 there is a group rate on the VND I'm told

FLPatriot59] wango1 Good to know

[misskitty05] Jester will the 11% off the top approach that you described earlier apply to VND as well?

[Jester] misskitty05 NO REASON TO BELIEVE IT WOULDN'T... SINCE YOU ARE IN... WAIT FOR IT............ A PRIVATE PLACEMENT GROUP...

[misskitty05] tc0043 so IYO, once we pay the 11%, there are no further tax conequences?

[wango1] misskitty05 only on the interest you make on your loot

[txtess] wango1 thanks..
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[tc0043] misskitty05 My understanding is the 11% is deducted from the rate before you see it. No other taxes in my opinion.

[txtess] Jester why is the UN Operational Rates of Exchange I just saw, not have the IQD? .. Effective date 08/01/2013..

wango1] txtess they can change in a matter of hours they were never going to announce it there early

[kazorlando] Jester Is this CE really gonna happen???

[Jester] kazorlando YES IT IS... THERE ARE MANY REASONS TO BELEIVE THAT THE WORLD CANNOT GO MUCH LONGER WITHOUT THE RESET... IT IS OBVIOUS...

[Robertprofessor] Jester If this were a basketball game, the good guys are up by 20, there's hardly any time on the clock, the bad guys are out of time outs and all they can do is foul and throw the ball out of bounds to delay the inevitable. IMO

[superbiz] Jester now rumours are we are waiting for the EID holiday or something like that in Iraq. Is this fluff IYO Are we expecting this sooner than later meaning sooner like real soon??? Lol

[Jester] superbiz I AM NOT AWARE THEY ARE WAITING FOR ANY SPECIAL TIME OR EVENT OR BACK WALL OR SIDE WALL OR BACK DOOR OR ANYTHING... THE SIMPLE ANSWER IS THE TRUTH... AND THAT IS THEY SIMPLE HAVE TO MAKE SURE IT GETS DONE RIGHT...

[rotormech35] you have someone coming in and giving you the REAL scoop, or what can be told openly tho... all you have to do is TRUST that....

[BocaLinda] Jester hi my lawyer says I will be paying something like 43% tax...

[wango1] BocaLinda get a new lawyer lol

Jester] BocaLinda WELL... HE SHOULD BE GURU LAWYER AND COME IN HERE AND POST THEN... DOES NE KNWO ABOUT PROVATE PLACEMENTS AND WHAT THAT MEANS? LOL

 [justone895] Jester Is the 11% going to be considered a "Tax" or a payment/ fee or something like that. Could mean a lot of different things come April when Taxes are due correct?

[Jester] justone895 PLEASE RE-READ WHAT I POSTED WHEN IT GETS TO THE FORUM AND IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND IT ASK ME AGAIN TOMORROW...

[FLPatriot59] Jester Are the post-RV agreements (whatever they are) being used as negotiating points to hold up the release by politicians?

[chattahoochee01] Jester would you consider iyo "the Lew speech A" to still be prerequisite for everything to proceed?

Jester] chattahoochee01 I DO THINK THAT IS THE CASE...

[ICU2] Jester or anyone else know what type if any taxes has been added to other CE events before this one?

[Jester] ICU2 THINK KUWAIT RV.... THIS IS HOW IT WAS DONE... REMEMBER WHO DID THAT.. JL... SAME GUY WE HAVE NOW... WHY NOT USE THE SAME PLAYBOOK?

[goin4broke] Jester How can anyone talk about WF deals as NDA is surely in place for those who created it?????

[Jester] goin4broke I DON'T THINK SO... IT IS FOR BOTH OF YOU... IT WAS NEGOTIATED FOR YOU... AND IT WILL PROTECT YOU TOO... YOU WANT TO BE PROTECTED FROM THEM SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT YOU THE SAME AS IT PROTECTS THEN FROM YOU SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT THEM...

[tier2wannabe] Jester Please tell me I am wrong, but I keep having this "idea" that If O can keep dragging this out until he gets his health care funded during the next round of budget negotiations, then it won't matter to him what happens because the damage that will be done will be extemely difficult to undo imo

[Jester] tier2wannabe I THINK HE IS ON A TIGHT LEASH RIGHT NOW... HE HAS HIS OWN SET OF PROBLEMS AND MAKING THEM WORSE BY MESSING WITH THIS IS NOT IN HIS BEST INTEREST..

[chattahoochee01] Jester Is there any idication that China may or may not be satisified with us?

[Jester] chattahoochee01 NOT THAT I AM AWARE OF AT THIS TIME.. THEY GET PISSY ABOUT THE DELAYS... BUT SO DO WE WHEN THEY DO IT... BUT I THINK ALL IS WELL RIGHT NOW...

[Robertprofessor] Jester Was there a significant polical manuever the last day or two that was attempted ... anything you can comment on? I heard it alluded to by someone else, but I don't know if there's anything to it.

[Jester] Robertprofessor SPECIFICALLY LAST NIGHT A BLOCK IN THE FOREX ON THE VND THAT MADE A SMALL MESS TO BE CONTENDED WITH... TOOK THEM A BIT TO FIND IT...

[sandytob] Jester are we still waiting for JL announcemenT????

[Jester] sandytob I THINK THEY WANT TO SEE IT... IT IS READY... PRE-RECOREDED... SO YES... I AM EXPECTING IT...

[catz] Jester, is there anything new regarding the Republic?

Jester] catz I THINK IT IS ALL READY TO GO... THEY ARE AWAITING FUNDING OF THE UST AND THEN THINGS SHOULD MOVE FORWARD SMARTLY...

[1biz4u] Jester Are you hearing we will have renegociate the treaties?? Thanks hi

[Jester] 1biz4u INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH THAT DOES NOT SEEM TO BE A PROBLEM... THE THEORY IS THAT WAS TO HIEGHTEN THE PRESSURE TO MAKE SURE THE RATS DIDN'T HAVE ANY TRICKS LEFT... HENCE THE FOREX PROBLEM... I THINK THEY GOT THE INTENDED REACTION...

[sk8pastort] Jester no JL anouncement A as of yet, so does this in your opinion take a RV tonight off the table?

[Jester] sk8pastort LOOK... ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE... BUT I AM NOT GOING TO PREDICT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER...

[Lord Xerxes] Jester question on the NDA do you think there will be stipulations on how long we will have to leave our money in the bank before moving it.

[Jester] Lord Xerxes NO WAY OF KNOWING FOR SURE... MAYBE A SMALL PERCENTAGE HAS BEEN RUMORED.... BUT YOU LEAVE SOME SOMEWHERE UNLESS YOU ARE GOING TO SPEND IT ALL TO THE LAST DIME... SO WHY NOT THERE?

[Jester] Blessedby I HEARD IT... BUT THEN I KNOW THAT THERE ARE REALLY ONLY 196 COUNTRIES... PLEASE GOOGLE THAT IF YOU DON'T BELEIVE ME... AND DON'T COUNT THE TERRITORIES... SO WHAT'S UP WITH THAT? LOL

 [misskitty05] Jester what is the source of funding for the UST?

[Jester] misskitty05 WELL.... THE WGS FUNDING WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT...

[chattahoochee01] Jester do the most recent escalation of violence in Iraq have any grave bearing on the process?

Jester] chattahoochee01 IT IS A RESULT OF THIS DRAGGIN OUT IN MY OPINION... IF WE GET THIS DONE I BELIEVE THAT WILL SETTLE DOWN...

[candy] Jester any thoughts on how the situation in Egypt and Syria can impact this?

[Jester] candy SAME ANSWER... IF WE CAN GET THIS DONE THAT SHOULD SETTLE DOWN...

[BJandJodi] Jester - If Republic comes before GCR and WGS funds UST for Republic, how can GCR occur before WGS is released?

[Jester] BJandJodi YOUR TIMELINE IS FLAWED... THERE CAN BE NO FUNDED REPUBLIC UNTIL THE WGS FUNDS IT... BUT THE REPUBLIC IS THERE RIGHT NOW... IT IS OVERLAID WITH A CORPORATION AND THE FED... THE FED MY BE DEFUNDED AND THE UST FUNDED... BUT MAKE NO MISTAKE... THE REPUBLIC IS THERE NOW... IT IS JUST NOT FUNCTIONING FROM THE PLACE OF POWER..

[txforever] Jester I have notice Rahn Paul has mentioned The Republic a few times, during interviews on Fox. Is he one that we can count on?

[Jester] Jester I BELIEVE HE WOULD BE A GOOD PERSON TO BACK WHEN THE TIME COMES...

[Jester] OK... I NEED TO WRAP THIS UP... THE MODS HAVE BEEN WORKING HARD... AND THEY NEED TIME TO GET THIS TO THE FORUM SO EVERYONE CAN HAVE IT TONGIHT...

[Jester] SO I HOPE THAT HELPS...

[Tex777] Jester I believe the Republic is there.... but the whole system seems to be the same just different funding... can you explain

 [Grunt0311] Tex777 When you have someone else controlling your money, they can force you to do things you don't want to do. When you control your own money, you're free to do as you see fit.

[wabbit60] Jester Seems that the rv will put lots of US held, gold backed IQD into the UST. Won't the rv make USD gold backed? So JL is waiting on what? Maybe tomorrow...

tc0043] Jester Thanks for the reassurance.

[Jester] tc0043 TY FOR LOOKING AT IT THAT WAY...

 [Jester] I APPRECIATE ALL THE THANK YOU'S... YOU GUYS ARE GREAT...

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Harley rider JOKE ~ so funny

A man on his Harley was riding along a California beach when suddenly the sky clouded above his head and, in a booming voice, God said, 'Because you have tried to be faithful to Me in all ways, I will grant you one wish.'

The biker pulled over and said, 'Build a bridge to Hawaii so I can ride over anytime I want.'

God replied, 'Your request is materialistic.  Think of the enormous challenges for that kind of undertaking, the supports required reaching the bottom of the Pacific and the concrete and steel it would take! I can do it, but it is hard for Me to justify your desire for worldly things.  Take a little more time and think of something that could possibly help mankind.'

The biker thought about it for a long time. Finally he said, 'God, I wish that I and all men could understand women.  I want to know how she feels inside, what she's thinking when she gives me the silent treatment, why she cries, what she means when she says nothing's wrong, why she snaps and complains when I try to help, and how I can make a woman truly happy.

God replied: "You want two lanes or four on that bridge?" 

Dinar Rumors - BulldogFord65 - 7/30/13

07/30/2013

BulldogFord65 » July 30th, 2013,   Hello Family: Here are tonight's CC notes. Have a peaceful night, and wishing you an abundantly blessed tomorrow!

KTFA Frank26 IQD Update Tuesday, July 30, 2013

• Frank began the IQD portion of the call with a review of yesterday’s I Team report: they took 13 prisoners back to SA and then had dinner with a banker from the largest bank in SA; this bank will be a huge distribution hub for the LD’s outside of Iraq; I Team asked when is the currency being revalued?

The banker answered “Eid”; this is the second report that Frank has received stating Eid; THIS IS AN OPINION

• In the past, Eid has not been held over a 3-day period, and it has been declared a 72-hour holiday on an weekend – interesting time frame for study
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• Iraq is working on a 5-year plan – they have budgets for 2013 – 2016, and they are working on 2017 budget; in Frank’s opinion, they will never reveal how much asset they have, how much money they have, it’s an incredible amount

• There will be a special call on Sunday for PRAYER ONLY to bring forth this blessing; Sunday, Aug 4 at 8:00 PM EDT

• 188 trillion dinar for the 2016 budget – INCREDIBLE! Someone has been lying about their numbers; how can they support this budget at the current rate? Not possible

• Yesterday’s comments from Frank about O were reading his own words, if they were upsetting to anyone, realize he was only reading O’s own words; a caller then came on and mentioned something supposedly included in O-care, and it became controversial on the forum but Admins managed it per the guidelines on Frank’s forum

• In Frank’s opinion, we believe that Ban Ki-Moon has signed the paperwork walking Iraq into CH6 and for the rate, and we do not need to see the HCL before the rate

• I Team’s report for today: they are now assigned to go back to Baghdad; remember what they just did, 13 prisoners back to SA, had dinner with banker, and assigned to come back to Baghdad with a general, and they will start retraining the security people of Iraq, including M’s guards; think on this and pray on it!

They took something out not belonging in Baghdad and returned with something to remove something else that does not belong in Baghdad

• As for the list that Frank challenged the forum to think on – what should be on the list that we need to see for the rate? Frank started the list: 1) Qi cards that will give LD’s with a good rate; 2) tariffs: in Frank’s opinion they are done, they are agreed and they are law, but they are not enacted yet (needed for revenue to grow the country’s future); 3) security

• One of these 3 is done in Frank’s opinion (the tariffs), and the Qi cards/LD’s/rate are a by-product of the other two; security is critical

• The USA is sending 5 drones to Iraq through SA today; also, I Teams brought in someone to retrain security (including M’s guards) to restore security

• Note HCL is not on the checklist – HCL is a byproduct

• Ponder the power behind the intel that M’s guards are being retrained

• Frank then played Delta’s voice message: he apologized he cannot join this week due to something came up, but will try to join the call live next week; agrees with rate can be announced at any moment, any day; Iraqia TV talking about trouble with liquidity; if anything else comes up, he will call; Frank said Delta is just waiting

Frank then asked his staff to join the call and give any opinions of other things to add to the list:

• Jim1126 is watching for the market rate of the dinar to come down; in his opinion, he’s looking for 1180; Frank agrees – CBI rate must be closer to the local rate and forex markets

• BulldogFord65 believes there will be a spike on the ISX immediately before the rate as the powers that be get in on the ground floor buying up stock right before it explodes with the new rate

• BulldogFord65 also asked Frank if thinking about M’s security being more of an offensive position rather than defensive is the right track; Frank replied that M is too powerful and if he does not change into something else, there are not many options for how it will play out

• Ramjet believes that B, Kurds, T, IMF, UNSC are all happy, so just waiting for the announcement! Frank concurred – that’s the point, what is there that must be done to see the rate? It’s done done!

• Bluestar is looking in the micro and the macro time frame – looking in the next 3 days, and looking into next week; some believe that M was directly linked to the prison breaks, and he is an instigator; now T is putting up an attempt for a no-confidence resolution to parliament -- a quick vote, and M’s gone; how does security affect the RV?

In his opinion the longer we go without a rate, the more likely the young people are to go the way of the insurgents, so Bluestar’s opinion that we need to see M go

• Frank ended the call with prayer, and Andy lifted the prayer with the shofar horn blast

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