Wednesday, November 14, 2012


Contemporary opinions, including those of Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia, say the idea of a state’s right to secede died with the hundreds of thousands of bloodied victims of the Civil War, and that the sentiment behind the dozens of petitions on a White House website seeking permission for most of the 50 individual governments to leave the union will be fruitless.
But historians would note that even Thomas Jefferson, a “pole star among political philosophers because he based his politics on the eternal, self-evidence, fundamental truths that all men are created free and equal and that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inherent and unalienable rights, among which are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness,” might be remembered for his opinion about states leaving the U.S.
It was in a letter to William B. Giles on Dec. 26, 1825, when Jefferson, who already had seen the fight over the states’ separation from England, the rise of a new nation and the tribulations it faced in its first decades, that he addressed the issue.
In a letter marked “not intended for the public eye,” he wrote that states “should separate from our companions only when the sole alternatives left, are the dissolution of our Union with them, or submission to a government without limitation of powers.”
He continued, “Between these two evils, when we must make a choice, there can be no hesitation.”
His letter, posted online at, sheds new light on the arguments being raised on the Obama administration’s online petition site,where dozens of petitions are seeking permission for virtually all of the states to leave the union.
The Blaze reported on a 2006 letter purporting to be from Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia that said, “There is no right to secede. (Hence, in the Pledge of Allegiance, ‘one Nation, indivisible.’)”
Scalia wrote, in response to a question about a hypothetical secession movement, the U.S. can’t even be sued over the issue without first granting permission, which would not happen anyway.
The movement began with individuals from Louisiana and Texas posting petitions on the Obama site requesting permission to peacefully secede from the union. There is supposed to be a response from the Obama administration, according to site rules, if there are more than 25,000 signatures, a mark which both of those states have passed already.
However, Obama could simply ignore them completely, as the site itself is set up as a political tool for the Obama administration to hear concerns and states, if officials choose, they can either respond or not.
The petition site has no force of law, as critics have pointed out. In fact, they have launched countering petitions to strip the citizenship of those who petition for states to leave, and force them to pay their state’s share of the national debt before going.
Critics of the current administration also then responded by petitioning for the impeachment of Obama.
Condemnations of the secession pleas have been numerous. The Houston Chronicle pointed out that when Texas joined the union, it was given permission to divide itself into five states if it chooses, but “Texas has no right to secede. But the bottom line is that any state – or confederation of states – can illegally secede from the Union. But the result, as we discovered in 1861, is Civil War.”
Texas Gov. Rick Perry launched speculation several years ago by stating, “Texas is a unique place. When we came in the union in 1845 one of the issues was that we would be able to leave if we decided to do that. … If Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people, who knows what may come out of that”
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However, the Chronicle said, “Perry repeatedly said that he does not favor secession. After the secession petition took off, Perry’s press secretary, Catherine Frazier, underscored his opposition to secession with this statement: ‘Gov. Perry believes in the greatness of our Union and nothing should be done to change it. But he also shares the frustrations many Americans have with our federal government.”
RedState founder Erick Erickson also blasted the idea, writing, “We have no plans to secede from the union. If you do, good luck with that, but this is not the place for you.”
Several prominent GOP governors also have turned down the idea. Alabama Gov. Robert Bentley’s spokesman issued a statement that while there is frustration, Bentley “believes that states can be great laboratories of change.”
“I don’t think we’ll be seceding,” said Tennessee Gov. Bill Haslam.
But citizens of the following already have created petitions at the White House site:
The people’s frustration is being revealed.
Daniel Miller, of the Texas Nationalist Movement, even told CBS that, “The fact of the matter is, that there cannot be a union between those that esteem the principles of Karl Marx over the principles of Thomas Jefferson. Here in Texas, we esteem those principles of Thomas Jefferson – that all political power’s inherent in the people.”
“The nation has never been more divided during my lifetime. We are racially divided, divided by wealth, ideologically divided, divided by sexual preference, divided by religion, city dwellers against the rural population, etc…” wrote Michael Childs at’s forum.
“The petitions are short and to the point. For example, a petition from the Volunteer State reads: ‘Peacefully grant the State of Tennessee to withdraw from the United States of America and create its own NEW government.’ … Of course, this is mostly a symbolic gesture. The odds of the American government granting any state permission to go its own way are on par with winning the lottery while getting hit by a meteor while seeing Bigfoot while finding gluten-free pizza that tastes like the real thing.”
An “American veteran” posted the Alaska petition, and said, “We who took the oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic, now declare Washington, D.C., to be the domestic enemy to the freedom and liberty of all Alaskans and indeed, 50% of the free citizens of the USA. Therefore, we declare our secession in support of the US Constitution. LET MY PEOPLE GO!”
Another petition cited Obama’s unrestrained power in declaring war in Libya without congressional approval, forcing Americans to buy a private product – health insurance – through Obamacare, disrespecting the Constitution by calling it flawed, and appointing “czars” without Senate approval.
The issues seem to point to the subject of Jefferson’s letter.
He wrote about the expansion of power then by the federal government “towards the usurpation of all the rights reserved to the States, and the consolidation in itself of all powers, foreign and domestic; and that too, by constructions which, if legitimate, leave no limits to their power.”
He continued, “Take together the decisions of the federal court, the doctrines of the president, and the misconstructions of the constitutional Compact acted on by the legislature of the federal branch, and it is but too evident, that the three ruling branches of that department are in combination to strip their colleagues, the State authorities; of the powers reserved by them, and to exercise themselves all functions foreign and domestic.”
He targeted the same authority that Obama has cited in his promotion of Obamacare, “Under the power to regulate commerce, they assume indefinitely that also over agriculture and manufactures, and call it regulation to take the earnings of one of these branches of industry, and that, too, the most depressed, and put them into the pockets of the other, the most flourishing of all,” Jefferson wrote.
“Under the authority to establish post roads, they claim that of cutting down mountains for the construction of roads, of digging canals, and aided by a little sophistry on the words ‘general welfare,’ a right to do, not only the acts to effect that, which are specifically enumerated and permitted, but whatsoever they shall think, or pretend will be for the general welfare. And what is our resource for the preservation of the Constitution?”
Political debate at that point, reasoned Jefferson, was futile.
“Reason and argument? You might as well reason and argue with the marble columns encircling them. The representatives chosen by ourselves? They are joined in the combination, some from incorrect views of government, some from corrupt ones, sufficient voting together to outnumber the sound parts; and with majorities only of one, two, or three, bold enough to go forward in defiance. ”
He warned against giving up too easily.
“If every infraction of a compact of so many parties is to be resisted at once, as a dissolution of it, none can ever be formed which would last one year. We must have patience and longer endurance then with our brethren while under delusion; give them time for reflection and experience of consequences,” he said.
And he continued, “[We must] keep ourselves in a situation to profit by the chapter of accidents; and separate from our companions only when the sole alternatives left, are the dissolution of our Union with them, or submission to a government without limitation of powers. Between these two evils, when we must make a choice, there can be no hesitation.”
Ever since WND first reported that residents in the state of Louisiana had filed an online petition with the White House to secede from the U.S., tens of thousands of residents in most other states have joined them.
What’s more, a pair of contrary petitions have been added to the White House website, including one to “strip the citizenship” of those who have petitioned for secession and another calling for their deportation.
As WND reported, the first of the petitions was filed on the White House’s We the People website the day after the 2012 election by Michael E. (full last name not provided) of Slidell, La.
The White House website explains that once a petition reaches 25,000 signatures, it will be placed on a queue for response from the administration. The website also maintains a page for previous petitions that have received a White House response. And the White House reserves to right to simply ignore questions.
The original Louisiana petition, which has served as a pattern for many of the new states, reads as follows: “We petition the Obama administration to: Peacefully grant the State of Louisiana to withdraw from the United States of America and create its own NEW government.”
It continues, “As the Founding Fathers of the United States of America made clear in the Declaration of Independence in 1776: ‘When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.’”
The petition concludes with a further quote from the Declaration of Independence: “‘Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and institute new Government.’”
Screen capture of White House petition page for Louisiana secession


  1. They can't secede at all?

    Then why is it Nevada has already seceded in all but name only - oh liar?

    And any further trespassing can be handled with deadly force in several instances, your argument holds no water. You have nothing bigger to compel Texas to stay, as they have been arresting so many agents on trespass grounds. Secession is flat reality.

  2. What people are not realizing is that the people that want to seceded are really wanting to secede from the corrupt UNITED STATES the Corporation and not from the United Sates of America The Republic. Until the People start to understand this fact, Obama (pharoh) will not let the captives go. The people are all considered little corporations of the UNITED STATES as well and owned by defacto corporate name by the UNITED STATES CORP. The people of America need to understand what has happened to them by the UNITED STATES CORP, making all people "PERSONS" or of corporate status. A corporation is a business name (all caps) that the UNITED STATES CORP uses or claims as its own. Business names are used to do business in a certain jurisdiction (in and under the UNITED STATES CORP). In this jurisdiction a business has to have licenses to do business (tax). a REAL PERSONS LABOR CANNOT BE TAXED (SLAVERY TO TAX A MANS LABOR) The reason they do this is because of the bankruptcy FDR announced in 1933 HJR-192. This bankruptcy of our corporate government was to the private central bankers (Feds). The government NEEDED A WAY TO PAY FOR THIS bankruptcy so they the placed all of the people and the land of this country as surety to this national debt. This is when the people entered fully into the land of OZ Where nothing is real. a new unconstitutional system of commerce. The people who were unaware of this transfer(EXECUTE ORDER 66)Are now unknowingly volunteering to pay off the governments debt to the bankers through administrative rules and regulations IE: Statutes and codes. To make a long story short all the people have to do is have a status Affidavit signed by a notary on hand telling them who you really are ie; a real man/woman made in the image of God and not a corporation. Corporations are dead entities (the dead have no rights) The real man is living and follows natural law and are given unalienable rights which cannot be taken away because they are God given as the constitution states as well as protects them. In order for our public officers to become servants again instead of tyrants all depends upon your stance to them. Are you Living? (real Man/ Woman) or dead? (corporation/slave). Do you want to come back to Kansas?.... or continue to live in the unreal world of oz where the people are munchkins?. WE have to speak up and rebut this assumption o corporate status! We now live in an illusion where the money, food and all things around us are not real. Freedom is not just given to have to keep it and execute it and as Ben Franklin said " "WE HAVE GIVEN YOU A REPUBLIC......IF YOU CAN KEEP IT". Well folks....we have kept it and as the bible says " we have sold ourselves for nothing. LEARN MORE AT WWW.SETOFFDEBT.COM. Know who you really are people. This is a war of monumental proportions.But the answer has always been in the people for we have been given the power and all power of Government resides in the people. Ultimately all power resides in God almighty and his blessed Son....Jesus the Christ.

  3. Oh, you mean Dick Perry? ha, ha......

  4. The government is not the people. They are the paid servants of the people. The people do not need to request anyones permission nor does the Governor of a State need to concur because he is a public servant too! Any State Governors who choose to ignore the wishes of the people are part of the problem and NOT part of the solution! FIRE THE WHOLE LOT OF THEM! Rebuild the States and never bring back the Federal Government!

  5. Since I was a teenager in high school I have always known in my heart that nobody can make me do anything... period!

    You and I can leave the union if we want. So can the states.

    The time is to return to the Republic and leave the Democracy so far behind that it can't be funded.

    The problem is for the elitists, they have nowhere to go and that's why they stay on our land. It doesn't belong to them. It's ours and more rightly it's the Indigenous' land even more so.

  6. No, they can't secede. When the South seceded the entire nation was turned over to the military because the federal government ceased to exist and was completely dissolved when congress walked out never to return. This country is still under that military control today. They created a new military corporation called the UNITED STATES and through their military occupancy they have CONQUERED this nation under its control. So HOW does a Foreign STATE that is a FOREIGN subsidiary corporation created under the FOREIGN United States corporation secede? They are all conquered under the United State, Inc., Military.

    If you don't believe that just look at any American WAR flag and the State flag displayed in any government building and court room. You will see the American WAR flag with a Gold Eagle on top which is the Presidential Flag which falls under ARMY ORGANIZATION and the State flag with a spearhead on top which falls under ARMY ORGANIZATION. These flags can ONLY be displayed by an ARMY ORGANIZATION.

    Those flags are defined in the military manual as ARMY ORGANIZATIONS.

    Army Regulation 840–10

    8–2. Flagstaff head (finial)
    The flagstaff head (finial) is the decorative ornament at the top of a
    flagstaff. This does not restrict the display of a State flag from a
    staff bearing a State device when National and other State flags are
    displayed from adjacent flagstaffs; however, the Army does not
    provide such devices. ONLY THE FOLLOWING finials are authorized on
    the flag used by ARMY ORGANIZATIONS:
    (1) Eagle (Presidential flagstaffs). (See fig 8-1.)
    (2) Spearhead (The spearhead is the only device used with Army
    flags). (See fig 8-2.)
    (3) Acorn (Markers and marking pennants flagstaffs.) (See fig 8-
    (4) Ball (Outdoor wall mounted for advertising or recruiting.)
    (See fig 8-4.)

    If these courts and government buildings are not an ARMY ORGANIZATION then they are all committing FELONIES under United States Code for displaying flags ONLY to be displayed by an ARMY ORGANIZATION.

    The entire country is under Military rule operating under Executive order 100 which is the Lieber Code.