John, I read on into the
comments
(the fine print) @ American Kabuki and found this:
(found in) comments @:
American
Kabuki: Noble Gas Plasma Engine to Revealed at Power-Gen Conference, Orlando
Florida, Dec 11, 2012 http://americankabuki.blogspot.com/2012/10/noble-gas-plasma-engine-to-revealed-at.html
Does anyone ever read
the PESN website? Noble gas is believed to be a fraud by Sterling Allen, who
has been to their shop in Vegas. When it comes to free energy, no one knows
better then Sterling. I believe overunity and free energy are just around
the corner, just not from Mr. Rohner. No one has been able to even verify his
Michigan tale. And there is no one testing his motor anywhere! This was posted
August 21,2012
Part
I: My Concerns About Inteligentry
Here I enumerate several concerns, including the perpetual
postponement of manufacturers being shown how to run their engines;
encouraging people to buy stock to get their license so the money doesn't go
in escrow; John's ignoring great suggestions for the technology and the
company; a timeline that evinces a lack of understanding of the steps
involved in taking something to market.
 by Sterling D. Allan Pure Energy Systems News We all would love it if the noble gas engine company, Inteligentry story were true. Wouldn't that be fantastic? -- a solution for both the clean energy push and for the economic depression. Some of us want it to be true so bad that we have been extremely generous to Inteligentry, despite so many red flags, foremost being that no one there (except John, allegedly) has ever seen a working engine yet. After visiting Inteligentry a week ago, I went from skeptical, on the verge of doing an exposé, to being optimistic. But given the correspondence I have had with CEO, John Rohner, since then, with a multitude of internal contradictions, and considering additional information about the Inteligentry operation that has come to light, I now feel obliged to present to you information, which in my assessment, concludes that this is a highly questionable operation. Here is the info; you can decide for yourself. Perpetual Postponement Since I began covering Inteligentry, John has given many dates of when certain things were to happen, which didn't happen. I realize that, generally speaking, when rolling out something new, things usually take much longer and cost a lot more than anticipated. So I don't see postponements of milestone accomplishments to be a red flag in and of itself. One of the things I was holding out for was an upcoming manufacturer's meeting on around September 8, when those manufacturers who are able are to show up with a couple of engines built, were to have John show them how to hook up the noble gases and electronics to make the engine work. What I found out today, though, is that there have been a number of such meetings scheduled since March, and each time they have been postponed because one or more of the manufacturers wasn't ready. Rather than just proceed with those who were ready, John postponed that function of the meeting to allow time for the others to get ready -- saying something to the effect that he wants to get them all started at the same time. More manufacturers have been licensed recently, and they are working on their engine, having just received their castings within the last month and are still waiting for good drawings. So they are unlikely to be ready; so John could use that as an excuse to postpone again, for example. If that had happened one or two times, it might be understandable, but it has happened at least five times, according to Jeff Platt, who was part of the Salt Lake City (SLC) group, and subsequently stepped down, and is now sure enough in his skepticism to go public with his name, while the rest of his former group still want to go forward, hoping for the best. Apparently, John has made statements already regarding the upcoming meeting that Jeff thinks will turn into yet another "postponement" of showing them how to get their engines to run on Joseph Papp's noble gases plasma effect. Four of the five engines you have seen on display at Inteligentry were built by the SLC group, yet still John requested that they build two more in order to show up to the next manufacturers' meeting. The appearance of those engines in his shop has given him huge credibility capital that has brought in people to buy stock and apply for licenses, even though those engines, built to John's specs to be "production prototypes", couldn't run more than a few hours at 500 rpm, according to Jeff. He's not an engineer, but he's been around mechanical things enough to have some common sense. He did watch the engines running with an electric motor, and they were shaking pretty badly. Licensing Deal in Stock Purchase Regarding the licenses, I had been impressed by two things: 1) their low price, not preventing entry; and 2) that the license funds are put into escrow until the licensee witnesses a working unit. Puts you at ease, right? What I learned yesterday is that PTP Licensing has a "deal" for stockholders, that for a certain amount of stock, you can get a license included. According to a person I was speaking to yesterday from Europe, Tana Kane has been encouraging potential licensees to go this route, so they get both a license and stock in the company. More importantly, that way, Inteligentry gets spendable money, whereas they don't get the money if it is put in escrow. Another thing I've been noting is that John keeps pushing back the date that they will stop selling stock. By having a deadline coming soon, people feel pressure to get in on the good deal while it is still available, then push the deadline back again -- a classical marketing ploy driven by and feeding the scarcity mentality. Ignores Many Key Improvement Suggestions One of the big red flags is how impervious John is to good suggestions about how to improve the design and improve the company. He behaves like a dictator -- he knows best, and anyone who varies substantially from his position is likely to be tossed out of the game. He's been on the hunt to find out who of his manufacturers have been talking to me, so he can excise the offending parties. Because Jeff from SLC is willing to go on record with his concerns, now the entire SLC operation is being poised to go on the chopping block, even though he's left them. If you look at this behavior from the vantage point that he has made everything up about having ever had an engine(s) running, and so he knows there never will be a working unit going to market, then a lot of his behavior starts to make sense. Why worry about improving the engine design if it's all for show to bring in money, not to go to market? Why plan for alpha testing to find out how the design will work in various environments -- hot, cold, elevation, vibrations, shocks, damage -- if you're never going to have such an engine to test? Why work through the fine details of all the steps needed to bring an engine to market if you're not actually going to bring an engine to market? All he needs to do is give the appearance that he's working in that direction, to keep the gig going, to keep new stock sales coming in. Jeff's point to fellow manufacturers is: "Even if John has a real technology, he is not the kind of person you want to be doing business with because of how he has treated so many people in the recent past." Taking a Product to Market Just think, for a minute, about what is usually involved in taking a new product to market that breaks new ground to the extent that this one allegedly does. You want to have months of satisfactory performance from many alpha and beta test units. And there is the certification process, too. The alpha tests are done first (once you have a production prototype), in house; and when those perform satisfactorily, then you open up limited beta testing to run the device out in the field under a wide range of customer environments. This costs many millions of dollars, and it is why investment money is needed. The fact that John hasn't been open to or soliciting such investment should be a major red flag that he has no intention of doing satisfactory alpha and beta testing because there will never be a working unit to test. He just tells his manufacturers that this will be their responsibility, yet he expects them to have units ready to sell by the December 11-13 PowerGen conference; even though they haven't even yet seen a unit working, let alone tested. They still have to engineer a design that will hold up. This process usually takes 12-18 months in the real world, with adequate funding. You'll note that the Inteligentry facility has no engine testing equipment. No dynamometers. Not needed if you're never going to have a running engine, so why bother, right? Well, John claims that he's already done all his lab testing on earlier engines that have been running at undisclosable locations. What you see now is a production prototype. That's what he told me as recently as last week when I was there. Yet the manufactures say that the present engine design of John's would never hold up. For example, Jeff points out that the oil that is used to lubricate the engine is likely to contaminate the noble gases, and they will degenerate. John replies: "The cylinders don't need oil, they are self-lubricating." But Jeff points at that the bearings on the Harley Davidson crank shaft at the bottom have to be lubricated with oil. Balancing is another issue. John has the two linear pistons moving back and forth together, rather than opposed. Keeping the noble gases in is another engineering issue for the "production prototype". John says it's solved, but the manufactures disagree. Put yourself in an attorney's shoes. Can you fathom taking an engine to market, which is going to sit in people's homes, cars, planes; just a few feet away from where people are; which hasn't been thoroughly tested? If it's a new nuclear process, what unseen emissions might there be? What unusual electromagnetic properties might be emitted? How could that effect health? You can't just assume it is safe. A Unit to Power My House Now, with that in mind -- what it takes to bring a product to market, with beta testing following alpha testing -- consider the lack of understanding exhibited by John when he told me last week that I could expect to drive down to Vegas in a month to pick up a (beta) test unit to take home and power my house. Yet none of their group (except, allegedly, John) has yet seen an engine running; and even John has not yet run the present "production prototype" on the noble gas process; let alone test it to see how it will hold up. Where is his head? Is it in reality or make-believe? You know how much I or anyone would love to have such a unit. Popper Challenge I asked Jeff what he thinks about Inteligentry selling the "Popper" kits that allegedly will enable people to build a piston set-up to illustrate the core principle of the Papp engine that uses a plasma form of the noble gas to push the piston. It seems like he wouldn't do that if it would be so easy for people to discredit him if it doesn't really work. Jeff points out that in his experience, he has found it very difficult to obtain the noble gases needed. Most sellers only sell in bulk, so people will be looking at spending many thousands of dollars for just one gas container. He couldn't find any supplier that sell the gases in small amounts. Also, as we pointed out the other day in a news link, helium is getting difficult to obtain, and the price is going up substantially. (In looking into this and reading up on it, be sure to distinguish between He and He3 . The latter is the one that is getting scarce and expensive. It's the regular helium that is used in the Papp engines.) So superficially, it looks like Inteligentry is being transparent, when, in fact, the chances that people will be able to procure the gases they need to run their Popper device are very low. It's not like an electronic kit where you just go down to Radio Shack to get the components you need. [See update just below about cheaply sourcing the gasses.] And think a little more about this. Even if the gases could be obtained in small amounts, how much do you think a small canister of gas would cost, including shipping?; and there are 5 gasses you have to obtain. Then you probably need to get hoses and regulators. And you have to have a way to mix these (I guess a syringe and balloon could work). That is not going to be easy or cheap. They should at least give recommendations about this in their instructions. It could, possibly, be one definite positive thing that comes from this whole saga, even if just a few people are able to replicate the noble gas plasma piston effect. Here is what Dan Glover of PTP Licensing said regarding procuring the gas:
On August 21, ~8 pm MDT, I got a call from Ed Hemphill who is experimenting with this technology. He gave a recommendation for measuring and mixing the noble gases.
Spelling of Inteligentry I would argue that there is as much a disconnect between the spelling of "Inteligentry" and intelligent (two Ls), as there is between the facts and evidence surrounding that company and what really is going on. It claims to be one thing, when it is not that at all. If somehow I'm wrong in my assessment, and Inteligentry really does have a working technology, it wouldn't hurt to hold out a few weeks to see how the next manufacturer's meeting turns out. I've always recommended that people don't put any money down until they see something working. Patent Not Awarded A commenter below points out another red flag. "Inteligentry claims to have a patent (see http://inteligentry.com/doc.html) and provides a link to the patent application (12/592,117). If you research the status of the application (http://portal.uspto.gov/external/portal/pair), the patent is not approved and the examiner filed a Requirement for Restriction/Election on 08/09/2012. There is an application, but not an approved patent. All they have is a patent pending technology." Mark Euthanasius added: "Back in June John Rohner wrote the following message implying that the application had been granted a patent when as you noted, examination had not even begun. Examination of the content will not proceed until Inteligentry deal with the Requirement for Restriction/Election. They have about two more weeks that they can respond or abandon the application. One of the interesting things about this application is that it was assigned to PlasmERG Iowa when John Rohner turned over PlasmERG Iowa to Michael Giraourd over legal disputes in May 2011. In June 2011, John Rohner's attorney Brett Trout filed to reassign the patent application to Inteligentry Nevada. Given the rate at which John Rohner has been burning bridges with business associates, I wonder whether Brett Trout is still handling this application." I should point out that my list of concerns above is not comprehensive, but reflects just some recent discoveries, conclusions. Comment from Bob I received this email from Bob
Attack the Messenger This arrived from John.
Here are a few miscellaneous things that have come along since I wrote the
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...Oh well, we know Sterling well now! Tana
really appreciates being called a "crook" by him too.
He knows everything about everything.
It should come as no secret that all the "first edition" stuff Sterling was going to get will go to others now as we reset our interview schedule to those we had turned off. Thank you, we will make sure to mention him as well there. ALSO- I have also been asked to speak at the Netherland's conference, we will see.. |
2) John has not been invited to speak at the GlobalBEM Netherlands conference, according to its organizer.
Popper Boobies
August 25; 8:00 am MDT
This comment by John was found in a noble gas engine fan group on Facebook, that one of our readers passed along. (Slightly edited.)
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Paying
someone to do a evaluation is a "standard" part of production
testing. I could give a damn about anyone else's opinion as I am hiring
experts to tell me proper answers and wring out any bugs. I suggest you
consider just how you think it should be done. Hand it off to some nut
without any expertise and hope he does not hurt himself? Give me, and any
other company moving toward production and public announcement, a break.
And Rob I agree with you. The Popper is simply a way to take the BOOBees
and keep them happy. No one wants anyone they can not trust to do
anything with the ready to market product prior to their being ready to
sell it. Even car companies have strict contracts for new cars prior to
"show time".
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Censorship
On August 25, 2012 11:12 AM [MDT], at the end of an email asking why I didn't send him my resume as he requested (), John concluded:
So with this we have no reason to be in contact.
You have no friends here [...].
Goodbye
So my response was directed to Dan and Tana.
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Tana
and Dan,
My Resume has been published publicly for some 13 years. A simple Google search pulls it up. I'm not hiding anything. I just though that the terms of Johns request were inappropriate. It came across like a way for him to find some way to attack me personally. Read his email to me that I've posted at #Attack_the_Messenger My Dad is an atomic clock physicist, recently recognized as "Time Lord". http://AllansTIME.com I just mention that to illustrate that I'm no dummy. Don't let John buffalo you with his claims to credentials, specialists, etc., when some good ol' common sense is all you need to see through him. His behavior is totally consistent with many other scammers I've exposed over the years, though he certainly has his own unique twist to it. I would like nothing more than to be wrong. But because so many people have gone to you based on my earlier recommendations, I feel duty bound to let them all know that I no longer hold the positive opinion that I used to; and why. Yes, I could have waited a couple of weeks until the manufacturer's meeting to do the expose, and then John would most likely come up with yet another reason to postpone showing the manufacturers how to get an engine running; meanwhile a bunch more people, based on my earlier positive reviews, would be putting their money into stock, only for it to end up bombing in the end. I predict no working device Dec. 11. Of that I'm 99% sure. I'd love to be wrong about that. But because the red flags are so many, someone has to say "but he doesn't have any clothes!" Sterling... |
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From:
John Rohner
To: Sterling Allan Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2012 3:56 PM Subject: contact Dear Sterling As of 2:52 pm PST 08/25/12 you have permission to contact Inteligentry only thru this email. No phone, or personal entry's will be allowed. Nor will any E Mail to any other delivery location. You have no access to anyone but John Rohner. Also may I remind you that any publishing of any data about Inteligentry without my specific written permission is also barred. Keep in Mind Bob has NO assets, You do. Thank You John P Rohner CEO Inteligentry.com cc legal |
Postscript
August 25; 9:00 am MDT
I'm not at all sorry for the exposé I've done. In my opinion, John is showing his true colors to everyone, and his true nature is coming across very clear. It's sad. I feel like I've lost a good friend, though it turns out that the person I thought I knew never existed.
If John was genuine and truly had working engines as he claims, and he truly had a policy of "uncredibility" serving a valuable purpose, he would be grateful for my stories for giving him more of that image. That he has become so cantankerous toward me in his statements on his site and in emails to people, indicates that this exposé is on target.
Nothing would make me happier than to be proven wrong in my assessment about John by him showing a working engine along the lines that he has claimed, first to his team, privately, then publicly. If I had a good glimmer of hope that this might be the case, I would have not written what I have above.
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- Part I: My Concerns About Inteligentry (PESN; August 21, 2012)
- My Visit to Inteligentry (PESN; August 18, 2012)
- Bill Clinton and Harry Reid allegedly supporting Inteligentry (PESN; August 10, 2012)
- Inteligentry to Debut at PowerGen (PESN; August 10, 2012)
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- Inteligentry says "We have everything we need to get into manufacturing" (PESN; July 16, 2012)
- A Visit to Inteligentry (PESN; June 19, 2012)
- Inteligentry Manufacturers Gearing Up for Noble Gas Engine Roll-out (PESN; April 15, 2012)
- PlasmERG Preparing for Manufacturing (PESN; February 25, 2012)
- PlasmERG's Revolutionary Engine Getting Ready to Rumble (PESN; January 29, 2012)
- Inteligentry Posts Slideshow of Noble Gas Engine Assembly (PESN; December 19, 2011)
- PlasmERG Progressing Towards Noble Gas Engine Production (PESN; December 5, 2011)
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- Papp Engine Expert, Ken Rauen visits PlasmERG - (PESN; July 2, 2011)
- The PlasmERG Engine - To be, or not to be? - (PESN; June 29, 2011)
- The Astounding Potential of Plasmic Power in PlasmERG Engine - (PESN; June 26, 2011)
- PlasmERG's Plasmic Transition Process Engine -- FAQ (PESWiki; June 25, 2011)
- PlasmERG Preps Factory as Patent Published - (PESN; June 16, 2011)
- Noble Gas Engine Ready for Production Investment - (PESN; April 2, 2011)
- PlasmERG among EE Times' ACE Award finalists - (PESN; March 3, 2010)
- PlasmERG noble gas engine patent accepted - (PESN; Nov. 21, 2009)
- Noble gas motor update - (PESN; Sept. 21, 2009)
- How the "Plasmic Transition Process" motor system works - (PESN; July 18, 2009)
See also
Resources at PESWiki.com
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