Friday, August 9, 2013

During The Best Period Of Economic Growth In U.S. History There Was No Income Tax And No Federal Reserve

During The Best Period Of Economic Growth In U.S. History There Was No Income Tax And No Federal Reserve

It is amazing what can happen when the government just gets out of the way.  Check out all of the wonderful things that happened for the U.S. economy during those years…

By Michael Snyder
Economic Collapse Blog
August 9, 2013
How would America ever survive without the central planners in the Obama administration and at the Federal Reserve?  What in the world would we do if there was no income tax and no IRS?  Could the U.S. economy possibly keep from collapsing under such circumstances? 
The mainstream media would have us believe that unless we have someone “to pull the levers” our economy would descend into utter chaos, but the truth is that the best period of economic growth in U.S. history occurred during a time when there was no income tax and no Federal Reserve.  Between the Civil War and 1913, the U.S. economy experienced absolutely explosive growth. 
The free market system thrived and the rest of the world looked at us with envy.  The federal government was very limited in size, there was no income tax for most of that time and there was no central bank.  To many Americans, it would be absolutely unthinkable to have such a society today, but it actually worked very, very well.  Without the inventions and innovations that came out of that period, the world would be a far different place today.
It is amazing what can happen when the government just gets out of the way.  Check out all of the wonderful things that Wikipedia says happened for the U.S. economy during those years…
The rapid economic development following the Civil War laid the groundwork for the modern U.S. industrial economy. By 1890, the USA leaped ahead of Britain for first place in manufacturing output.
An explosion of new discoveries and inventions took place, a process called the “Second Industrial Revolution.” Railroads greatly expanded the mileage and built stronger tracks and bridges that handled heavier cars and locomotives, carrying far more goods and people at lower rates. Refrigeration railroad cars came into use. The telephone, phonograph, typewriter and electric light were invented. By the dawn of the 20th century, cars had begun to replace horse-drawn carriages.
Parallel to these achievements was the development of the nation’s industrial infrastructure. Coal was found in abundance in the Appalachian Mountains from Pennsylvania south to Kentucky. Oil was discovered in western Pennsylvania; it was mainly used for lubricants and for kerosene for lamps. Large iron ore mines opened in the Lake Superior region of the upper Midwest. Steel mills thrived in places where these coal and iron ore could be brought together to produce steel. Large copper and silver mines opened, followed by lead mines and cement factories.
In 1913 Henry Ford introduced the assembly line, a step in the process that became known as mass-production.
When hard working, industrious people are given freedom to pursue their dreams, great things tend to happen.  The truth is that we were all designed to create, to invent, to build, and to trade with one another.  We all have something that we can contribute to society, and when families are strong and the invisible hand of the free market is allowed to work, societies tend to prosper.
It is not a coincidence that the greatest period of economic growth in U.S. history was between the Civil War and 1913.  The following information comes from Wikipedia
The Gilded Age saw the greatest period of economic growth in American history. After the short-lived panic of 1873, the economy recovered with the advent of hard money policies and industrialization. From 1869 to 1879, the US economy grew at a rate of 6.8% for real GDP and 4.5% for real GDP per capita, despite the panic of 1873.  The economy repeated this period of growth in the 1880s, in which the wealth of the nation grew at an annual rate of 3.8%, while the GDP was also doubled.
Wouldn’t you like U.S. GDP to double over the course of a decade now?
So why don’t we go back to a system like that?
In 1913, the Federal Reserve and a permanent national income tax were introduced.  Today, the unelected central planners at the Federal Reserve totally run our financial system and the U.S. tax code is about 13 miles long.  The value of our currency has declined by more than 96 percent since 1913, and the size of our national debt has gotten more than 5000 times larger.
Meanwhile, control freak bureaucrats seemingly run everything.  Almost every business decision is heavily influenced either by taxes or by the millions of laws, rules and regulations that are sucking the life out of our economic system.
My favorite example of how suffocating red tape in America has become is the magician out in Missouri that was forced by the Obama administration to submit a 32 page “disaster plan” for the rabbit that he uses during his magic shows for kids.
It is no wonder why we don’t have any economic growth.  The central planners in the federal government are killing our economy.
And the central planners over at the Federal Reserve are killing our financial system.  In school we are taught that the Fed was created to bring stability to our financial system, but the truth is that they have been responsible for financial bubble after financial bubble, and now Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke has created the largest bond bubble in the history of the world.  When that thing bursts, and it will, we are going to see financial carnage on an unprecedented scale.
Unfortunately, the truth is that the Federal Reserve never has been looking out for the interests of the American people.  It was created by the big banks and it has always worked very hard to benefit the big banks.  During the Fed era, the big banks have become the most powerful economic entities on the entire planet.  Our entire economy is now based on debt, and the big banks are at the very center of this debt spiral.  The following is an excerpt from a recent article by Paul B. Farrell
Today’s world includes four Wall Street banks each with assets over $1 trillion, each more than Goldman. Plus eight other big global banks each have over $2 trillion total assets, including, among the 100 largest, Barclays, HSBC, Deutsche, ICB-China and Japan’s Mitsubishi.
Yes, this new world is changing fast. Back in 2008 the world’s financial banks were in ruins. Wall Street sunk into virtually bankruptcy. Goldman and its Wall Street too-big-to-fail co-conspirators had trashed the global economy, triggered a virtual depression, and Wall Street’s casinos lost over $10 trillion of Main Street retirement funds.
And as we saw back in 2008, the Federal Reserve is going to do whatever is necessary to prop up Wall Street.  Most Americans never even heard about this, but during the last financial crisis the Fed secretly loaned 16 trillion dollars to the big banks.  Those loans were nearly interest-free and those banks knew that they could get basically as much nearly interest-free money as they wanted from the Fed.
So how much nearly interest-free money did the Fed loan to normal Americans?
Not a single penny.
That would be bad enough, but it is also important to remember that since 2008 the Fed has actually been paying banks NOT to lend money to the rest of us.
What is it going to take for the American people to start demanding that the Fed be abolished?  They are absolutely destroying our financial system.
Meanwhile, the central planners in the Obama administration have been doing their part as well.  During the second quarter of this year, the number of Americans working between 30 and 34 hours per week fell by 146,500.  During that same time period, the number of Americans working between 25 and 29 hours rose by 119,000.
Why is this happening?
Well, the Obamacare employer mandate will apply to workers that work at least 30 hours each week, so employers are starting to cut back on the hours their employees are getting in order to comply with the law.
But this is just one example out of thousands, and most Americans already know that the U.S. economy has been crumbling for many years.
In fact, things have gotten so bad that even 53 percent of all Democrats believe that the American Dream is dead even though Barack Obama is residing in the White House.
But this is just the beginning.  Things are going to get much, much worse.  We are going down the same path that Greece has gone, and the unemployment rate in Greece has just hit a new all-time record high of 27.6 percent.
That is where the U.S. is headed eventually.  Decades of very foolish decisions are catching up with us.
The primary reason why all of this is happening is debt.  As a society, we simply have way, way, way too much debt.
The biggest offender, of course, is the federal government.  Since 1970, federal spending has grown nearly 12 times as rapidly as median household income has, and since the year 2000 the size of the U.S. national debt has grown by more than 11 trillion dollars.
When government debt gets too large, it has a profoundly negative effect on an economy.  The following is an excerpt from an outstanding article by Lacy H. Hunt, a Ph.D. economist
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Here are the studies, starting with the one with the broadest implications:
  1. “Government Size and Growth: A Survey and Interpretation of the Evidence,” from Journal of Economic Surveys. Published in April 2011, Swedish economists Andreas Bergh and Magnus Henrekson (both of the Research Institute of Industrial Economics at Lund University) found a “significant negative correlation” between size of government and economic growth. Specifically, “an increase in government size by 10 percentage points is associated with a 0.5% to 1% lower annual growth rate.”
  2. “The Impact of High and Growing Government Debt on Economic Growth: An Empirical Investigation for the Euro Area,” in European Central Bank working paper, Number 1237, August 2010. Cristina Checherita and Philipp Rother found that a government-debt-to-GDP ratio above the threshold of 90-100% has a “deleterious” impact on long-term growth. Additionally, the impact of debt on growth is nonlinear – as the government debt rises to higher and higher levels, the adverse growth consequences accelerate.
  • The Real Effects of Debt, published by the Bank for International Settlements (BIS) in Basel, Switzerland in August 2011. Stephen G. Cecchetti, M. S.Mohanty, and Fabrizio Zampolli determined that “beyond a certain level, debt is bad for growth. For government debt, the number is about 85% of GDP.”
  • “Public Debt Overhangs: Advanced-Economy Episodes Since 1800,”by Carmen M. Reinhart, Vincent R. Reinhart, Kenneth S. Rogoff, Journal of Economic Perspectives, Volume 26, Number 3, Summer 2012, pages 69-86. The authors identified 26 cases of “debt overhangs,” which they define as public-debt-to-GDP levels exceeding 90% for at least five years. In spite of the many idiosyncratic differences in these situations, economic growth fell in all but three of the 26 cases. All of the instances, which lasted an average of 23 years, are included in the paper. They found that average annual growth is 1.2% lower for countries with a debt overhang than for countries without. The long duration of such episodes means that cumulative shortfall from the debt excess—i.e., several years in a row of subpar economic growth—is potentially massive.
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But it isn’t just federal government debt that is the problem.  The rest of us have way too much debt as well.
If you can believe it, the ratio of private debt to GDP was 273.3% for the twelve months ending in the first quarter of 2013.
That is an astounding figure.
And as Hunt explained, having too much private debt is also very bad for an economy…
In Too Much Finance, published by the United Nations Conference on Trade and Development (UNCTAD) in March 2011, Jean Louis Arcand, Enrico Berkes, and Ugo Panizza found a negative effect on output growth when credit to the private sector reaches 104-110% of GDP. The strongest adverse effects are for credit over 160% of GDP.
The second is the 2011 BIS study authored by Cecchetti, Mohanty, and Zampolli. They found that private debt levels become “cancerous” (in BIS economic advisor Cecchetti’s own words) at 175% (90% for corporations and 85% for households)—just slightly more than the UNCTAD study.
When you add our private debt to GDP ratio of 273 percent to our federal debt to GDP ratio of 101 percent, you get a grand total of 384 percent.
This is how we have funded the false prosperity of the past couple of decades.  Essentially, we have been putting our good times on a credit card.
And as anyone that has ever tried to live on credit knows, the good times eventually run out.
But this is what the Federal Reserve was designed to do.  It was designed to get the U.S. government trapped in a debt spiral from which there would never be any escape.
It is not an accident that our national debt has gotten more than 5000 times larger than it was when the Fed was originally created.  This is what the bankers wanted the system to do.
They wanted a system that would extract wealth from all of us through taxes, transfer it to the government, and then transfer it to them through interest payments.
We never needed a central bank, we never needed the IRS and we never needed an income tax.  America would be doing just fine without any of them.
But instead, America chose to go down the path of collectivization and central planning, and now we are heading toward the biggest economic disaster in the history of mankind.


Jester and Members Chat at Jester's Place Thursday Evening

Jester and Members Chat at Jester's Place Thursday Evening




08/08/2013

[Jester] HELLO EVERYONE... THANKS FOR THE WARM WELCOME...

[mohawk] Jester, if ZAP has an accurate assessment of the Chinese...then things would get interesting around 8:08 Pacific time...just a thought!!!

[Jester] YOU ALL KNOW I LIKE MY REAL WORLD INDICATORS... GOING TO POST ON THAT TONIGHT… INTERESTING NEWS TODAY…

[Jester] PAY ATTENTION! THIS IS A LITTLE TECHNICAL... LOL

Jester] I AM SURE EVERYONE HAS NOTICED THAT WE SURE HAVE A MESS ON OUR WITH COMPLIANCE AT SOME OF THE MAJOR BANKING INSTITUTIONS IN THE US… AND SOME MAJOR CLEAN UP IS GOING

[Jester] CHECK THIS ARTICLE FROM BLOOMBERG TODAY IF YOU DON'T BELEIVE ME… .

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-08-08/galleon-jpmorgan-goldman-fannie-mae-freddie-mac-compliance.html

Jester] I THOUGH THE MOST INTERESTING QUOTE IN THE ARTICLE WAS CONCERNING FANNIE MAE AND FREDDIE MAC…
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[Jester] President Barack Obama is calling for private capital to take the lead role in the nation’s mortgage market with the U.S. government continuing to provide a backstop only against catastrophic risk.

Jester] The president for the first time is endorsing an approach to remake the housing finance system as Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are wound down. He said the government still must play a role to preserve broad access to 30-year, fixed-rate mortgages that underpin the market.

[Jester] “You can’t have a situation in which the government is underwriting and guaranteeing all the mortgage lending that’s taking place around the country and big profits are being made by these quasi-private institutions,” Obama said. Congress should pass housing legislation by the end of the year, he said.

[Jester] AND SINCE WE HAVE NOTED THAT FANNIE MAE AND FREDDIE MAC ARE IN THAT MIX… DOING A LITTLE MORE DIGGING WOULD HAVE FOUND YOU THIS ARTICLE FROM FOX NEWS YESTERDAY….

http://www.foxbusiness.com/industries/2013/08/07/housing-market-recovery-boosts-freddie-mac-bottom-line/

[Jester] THE HIGHLIGHTS I LIKE OUT OF THIS ONE WERE....

[Jester] Freddie Mac, which has operated under federal conservatorship since it was seized in 2008 during the financial crisis, also said that based on a company net worth of $7.4 billion, it will make a $4.4 billion dividend payment to the U.S. Treasury for its rescue aid.

[Jester] Freddie's larger sister, Fannie Mae, already booked a comparable allowance in the first quarter, triggering a massive dividend to the Treasury of $59.4 billion, most of which was attributable directly to the accounting gain.

Jester] AND INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH...

[Jester] The Fed is buying $85 billion a month in Treasuries and mortgage-backed securities backed by Freddie and Fannie, a program that had driven interest rates on mortgage loans to record lows earlier this year.

[Jester] SAY WHAT?... WAIT A MINUTE… WHO????… YES… YOU READ IT RIGHT…. THE FED IS BUYING THE MORTGAGE BACKED SECURITIES… AND THE PROFIT REPAYMENTS ARE GOING TO THE US TREASURY…

[Jester] ASK YOURSELF WHY THEY ARE PAYING THE DIVIDEND TO THE US TREASURY WHEN THE FUNDS TO SUPPORT THEM OUT ARE COMING FROM THE FED…. HMMMMM… THE MONEY IS NOW MOVING THE RIGHT DIRECTION FINALLY… BACK TO WHERE IT BELONGS…

[Jester] AND NOW SOME THINGS ARE ALSO BEING DONE TO HELP PEOPLE…

[Jester] CHECK THIS ONE… SAME INTRODUCTION FROM THE PRESIDENT… DIFFERENT ARTICLE…   http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-08-06/obama-says-government-still-needed-in-housing-market.html

[Jester] AND THE BEST PART OF THAT ARTICLE IS…

[Jester] Obama said borrowers with foreclosures or bankruptcies resulting from a job loss will be able to finance a home purchase with a Federal Housing Administration mortgage as long as they are back at work, demonstrate 12 months of timely payments, and complete housing counseling. The FHA, a government mortgage insurer, now requires a three-year wait.

Jester] FINALLY SOME HELP FOR HOMEOWNERS… THAT WAS JUST A BONUS I LIKED... BEING IN THE HOMEBUILDING INDUSTRY AND ALL...

[Jester] ANYWAY… THE BOTTOM LINE IS FED STIMULUS MONEY GOES TO FANNIE MAE AND FREDDY MAC.. AND THE FANNIE MAE AND FREDDIE MAC PROFITS GO TO THE US TREASURY WHERE THEY BELONG… AND A NEW FEDERAL HOUSING ADMINISTRATION RULE TO ACTUALLY HELP THE HOMEOWNERS FOR A CHANGE… THINGS ARE GETTING BETTER AND BETTER… YOU HAVE TO LOVE IT… THE US CORPORATIONS ARE PUTTING THE MONEY BACK WHERE IT BELONGS…

Jester] AND SOME OTHER INTERESTING REAL WORLD NEWS OF NOTE… FROM ST LOUIS MISSOURI… http://www.kmov.com/news/local/Federal-budget-cuts-leads-to-no-unemployment-checks-for-some-Missourians-217614701.html

[Jester] Because of the sequestration, residents using the federal unemployment benefits did not receive their money the weeks ending June 1 and July 27. They will also not get their benefits for the week ending September 21.

[Jester] DON’T EVEN GET ME STARTED ON THE JUSTICE SYSTEM OR THE MILITARY… WE CAN BARELY KEEP THEM GOING RIGHT NOW…

[Jester] THINGS ARE GETTING TIGHT PEOPLE… .

[Jester] BUT GOOD NEWS IS ON THE HORIZON… THE .FUNDING IS ON THE MOVE…. THERE IS $21 TRILLION… YES TRILLION… MOVING INTO THE SYSTEM NOW… TO GET THESE SERVICES BACK IN PLACE… GOOD NEWS FOR ALL OF US....

[Jester] YOU MIGHT ASK WHAT THAT HAS TO DO WITH US… WELL… WE NEED THOSE SERVICES TO MAKE SURE THERE ARE NOT ANY PROBLEMS WITH WHAT IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN… AND THOSE IN CHARGE ARE WELL AWARE OF THAT… THEY ARE GOING TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS IN PLACE IN CASE THEY ARE NEEDED FOR THE ANNOUNCEMENTS TO COME…

[Jester] NO ONE WANTS THERE TO BE ANY PEOPLE HURT DURING THIS EPIC EVENT… THE MONEY IS ON THE MOVE....

[Jester] SO ANYWAY... HOPE THAT ALL MADE SENSE... I NOW RETURN YOU TO YOUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED PROGRAM.... LOL

wango1] Jester well done Sir with Fannie and Freddie

[Jester] wango1 THANK.. YOU I HAD SOME HELP FROM A GOOD FRIEND WITH THAT... LOL

[redhorse] Jester My question is... what are they paying with??.

[Jester] redhorse I REPORTED A FEW DAYS AGO THAT JL HAD SECURED THE FUNDING... NOW IT IS MOVING INTO PLACE...

2562bce] Jester - When will funding of the public be underway? :)

Jester] 2562bce IT IS UNDERWAY....

[paradisegirl] Jester that is awesome news. My jaw dropped when Obama talked about this a few days ago (Freddie and Fannie) and I wondered if this was the beginning of our new Republic

[Jester] paradisegirl YOU HAVE BEEN WATCHING ALL ALONG... :-)

[paradisegirl] Jester you bet, this story is amazing, and putting the pieces of the puzzle together has been challenging!

[oxglove] Jester hi, how is the timing of the rv release affected by the transferring of finances and time needed to have that all in place?

[gramps77] Jester What do you think Obama is going to talk about tomorrow in his news conference?

Jester] gramps77 THE ARTICLE SAYS HE WILL TALK ABOUT THE TERROR ALERT... WE'LL HAVE TO SEE IF ANYTHING ELSE IS INCLUDED...

[Jester] TWO OTHE INTERESTING COMMENTS IN THE ARTICLE... I THINK HE IS SCART OF PUTIN... AND HE IS GOING ON VACATION FOR 9 DAYS... HMMMM...

Jester] .THE RV IS PART OF THE GLOBAL RESET... .

[Jester] THE RESET WAS TO COME FROM THE WGS AND THE OLD DEBT BEING PAID OFF... BUT JL IS RESOURCEFUL IF NOTHING ELSE... THE MAN CAN WHEEL AND DEAL... AND HE GOT IT UP FRONT..

[bigfoot67] Jester what happens to the IRS ?

[wango1] bigfoot67 It went back under the umbrella of the UST it now belongs to the people of the USA

[Jester] bigfoot67 THEY WILL BECOME THE COLLECTION ARM FOR THE UST... WHERE THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE... AND DOING WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING AND NOT THE BS THEY HAVE BEEN...

[Bigdogone] Jester Since Canada is a subsidiary of the US how do you see this affecting us?

[Jester] Bigdogone SHEESH.. HOPEFULLY WE WILL BE BETTER NEIGHBORS... YOU GUYS ARE DOING IT RIGHT...

[2562bce] Jester - Have the banks made all of the preparations they need in order to feel comfortable to begin processing us?

[Jester] 2562bce IF YOU MEAN FOR THE RESET AND RV THEN YES... THEY ARE READY... HAVE BEEN READY FOR A WHILE...

[oxglove] Jester what are your thoughts regarding the currency reset timing relative to your comments on the necessity to have other elements in place to avoid any negative issues? Will the timing be further away?

Jester] oxglove I REALLY ALREADY ANSWERED THAT BUT IT IS REALLY THE SAME THING.. WHEN THEY ARE READY AND CAN KEEP EVERYONE SAFE THEN IT WILL ALL GO AT ONCE...

[sk8pastor] Jester sorry is this was alread asked, were there anouncements today?

[Jester] sk8pastor NO THERE WERE NOT... WE ARE STILL AWAITING THEM ANXIOUSLY...

[Jester] OK... BEEN GOING FOR AN HOUR.... GOING TO GIVE THE HARDWORKING MODS A LITTLE BREAK... I NEED ONE TOO... IF YOU CATCH MY DRIFT... LOL

[Truth] Jester I heard about this real estate story in AZ. A well respected realtor kept hearing about housing was booming again. So he deccided to do some research talked with many locals asking has your house sold, no one could say that their house had sold, on the contrary, none had. So, he dug deeper he found the only houses that sold were those that were held by the gov and they (the gov)went under a new LLC name and bought their own houses again. They think we are all stupidd. TRUTH is being revealed they are BUSTED!!! People are waking up and not accepting mainstream lamestream news they are researching the truth themselves. sorry so long!!!

[Jester] Truth THERE IS A LOT OF SHADOW INVENTORY OUT THERE... YOU ARE RIGHT... I WISH MY FRIEND CAUTIOUS WAS HERE TO ADDRESS THAT... SHE IS WORKING ON A LARGE PROJECT TO HELP WITH THAT ISSUE..
http://www.dinarrecaps.com/1/post/2013/08/jester-and-members-chat-at-jesters-place-thursday-evening.html

Must See Road Sign On Florida Turnpike

MUST SEE On the Florida Turnpike between Port St. Lucie and Palm City!  






I Was ‘Invited’ Aboard A Craft By 3 Androgynous Beings In Long White Robes - by Kelvin Curnow

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I Was ‘Invited’ Aboard A Craft By 3 Androgynous Beings In Long White Robes - by Kelvin Curnow
Posted By: Mr.Ed [Send E-Mail]
Date: Friday, 9-Aug-2013 02:26:09

I Was ‘Invited’ Aboard A Craft By 3 Androgynous Beings In Long White Robes - by Kelvin Curnow
My name is Kelvin Curnow, and I live in Plymouth, England. I have had several experiences with celestial craft ( ufo's ) since early childhood, and have also had telepathic communication with these craft on many occasions during my lifetime. I have always felt very strongly since childhood, that I do not belong here, but have to accept the fact, that I answered a call, and incarnated here for a higher purpose.
Many of us are known as ' starseeds ' / ' lightworkers ', we are human in appearance, but have extraterrestrial souls to carry out the work that needs to be done on ' earth ' to raise higher human consciousness, to assist humanity during the current transition of the ' earth changes ', as prophesied by the Mayans of Central America and the Hopi Indians of Arizona.
When I reached the age of 34, I decided to go public about my experiences and was invited to India, to give talks to people of all religions, on my experiences with highly evolved benevolent extraterrestrials, that I had interacted with since early childhood.
In one of my many experiences, I believe that I was either in a trance, or actually having an ' out of body ' experience, when at the age of 15, I remember getting out of bed, walking down the stairs, and walking out of the back of the house and into the rear garden. Just beyond the garden wall, which was about 1 meter high, there was an open field with 3 or 4 horses about 100 meters away, at the top of the field.
Roughly 15 meters from the garden wall, there was a saucer / disc shaped craft, roughly 10 meters in diameter, glowing with white luminosity, and standing right by the craft, there were three beautiful androgynous beings, with long blonde hair and blue eyes, wearing long white robes.
They communicated with me telepathically, and I felt very strongly that I knew them, and that they knew me. I must state quite clearly, that I was not abducted, but was ' invited ' to board the craft. I went on board the spacecraft at my own freewill, as I felt so much love coming from these beautiful beings and felt entirely safe with them.
When I was on the craft, I had no recollection of being taken anywhere, but do remember there being crystals in the center of the craft, of which I felt at the time, was their power source, when traveling to and from the ' motherships ', which actually travel interdimensionally, as there are many different dimensions and universes of reality. Also, because these craft are able to travel interdimensionally, they also have the ability to manipulate time-travel.
During my experience on board the craft, I was shown different timeline scenarios, of possible future world events, including enormous climate change and the collapse of the world's monetary system. I was also shown other possible future world events, of which I will not disclose, however, whatever happens to the future of humanity, we must remember that the future is not set in stone, and that we the inhabitants of this beautiful planet, have the power to bring about the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth, if we so choose to, putting behind our prejudices against skin color and religions, as ' We Are All One '.
All three beings were on the craft with me, one on the other side of the crystals opposite me, one to my left, and another being to my right. To this day, I have no idea where I may of been taken, but I do remember that I was able to communicate with them telepathically, and I remember feeling sad, when I came off the craft. In the morning, I just woke up in bed, and went off to school.
It was not until the 31st August, 1997, when the Princess of Wales was killed in a car accident in Paris, that I was sitting at a computer, and felt that I was receiving information of which I typed on the keyboard. Much of the information that came through, was about what we are experiencing in the current timeline, such as accelerated climate change, resulting in millions of people, crossing international borders in search of food and water, as well as increased earthquake and volcanic activity and the imminent collapse of the world's financial institutions.
When I was incarnated here on ' earth ' in 1958, I had no memory of my past life existence, however, I feel a very strong connection with the ' Pleiades ' star system, and I do know for a fact, that planet ' earth ' is the only inhabited planet in the galaxy, that has a monetary system.
It is my belief, that due to the current transition of the ' earth changes ' that not only are we experiencing geophysical and climatic changes, but also changes in our current out-dated social, political and economic system, which will finally result in the collapse of the monetary system.
As long as there is a planetary monetary system in place, there will not be ' peace ' on this ' earth ' as it is the banking system that finances the wars that sadly continue to this day, but for not much longer, as money is just an illusion, that was introduced by the Romans just over 2,000 years ago, when ' salt ' was used as the first currency before metal coins.
There are enough resources on this planet for everyone, and no-one should ever have to go hungry or not have a warm comfortable home to live in. As soon as the monetary system collapses, I have absolutely no doubt, that there will be a temporary difficult transition, but at least we can all move forward without the monetary system, and build a better and much more loving world, as the ' creator ' intended it to be.
If you are a person who has also had similar experiences as myself with extraterrestrials, you are welcome to contact me at my personal email address, which is : curnow.kelvin@yahoo.co.uk as this is a time, when all ' starseeds' and ' lightworkers ' must gather together, to finish the mission that we volunteered to do, when we incarnated here on Earth to assist humanity to a higher level of consciousness, giving us the ' opportunity ' to lead all of us onto the ' Christ Consciousness ' when Jesus and the ' Masters ' of all the other religions spoke of humanity, having ' one consciousness '.
Above, is a painting that I had commissioned several years ago, in regard to my experience at 15 years of age, when three highly evolved androgynous beings, invited me onto their craft.
' Love, Light and Peace on Earth '
' Namaste '
Kelvin Curnow
Source:
I Was ‘Invited’ Aboard A Craft By 3 Androgenous Beings In Long White Robes.Kelvin Curnow - THE FEDERATION OF LIGHT
http://thefederationoflight.ning.com/profiles/blogs/i-was-invited-aboard-a-craft-by-3-androgenous-beings-in-long-whit


Update by Sheldan Nidle for the Spiritual Hierarchy and the Galactic Federation 08/06/2013

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Update by Sheldan Nidle for the Spiritual Hierarchy and the Galactic Federation 08/06/2013
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Update by Sheldan Nidle for the Spiritual Hierarchy and the Galactic Federation 08/06/2013
8 Lamat, 11 Pop, 10 Caban
Dratzo! We return with more to discuss with you! At the end of your Gregorian year of 2012, a large dose of heavenly Light showered down upon your realm, and then on July 29th of this year, triple that amount was applied to your world by means of the special astrological alignments on that date. This is setting the energies for what is about to occur. The dark's long stranglehold on your beloved planet is at an end and the time has come for you to rejoice and for those changes which officially shift your reality to the Light to take place. The first act in this cavalcade of events is, of course, the release of the various funds which mark the segue of your globe's monetary setup from dishonest fiat currencies, so prone to unbridled speculation, to those backed by precious metals. These new true-value currencies are to trigger a global re-evaluation, and indeed, the first of these is ready for distribution. Further, the initial rounds of the prosperity disbursements are also ready to be launched. These financial adjustments will effectively drive the old interests from power and allow the inauguration of legally based de jure governance. As you know, these are only the opening moves of what is to come.
The rise of your new financial and banking system will bring universal debt forgiveness and shortly thereafter, disclosure of our benevolent presence. Your new governance is to allow us to become formally known to you. We intend at that time to make a series of announcements informing you all about the upcoming mass landings and introducing you to your Ascended Masters who are ready to begin their sacred teachings worldwide. These developments will constitute a massive change in outlook for your global society, converting the current aggressive competition between your nation states into friendly cooperation. Inevitably, what the Ascended Masters and we have to tell you will turn your reality upside down! Your staple diet of lies and manipulation fed to you by the dark over the eons will be fully exposed and transformed as the Ascended Masters place the truth before you. As this new world of Truth takes shape, the old twisted ways of being and perceiving will straighten out into healthy and Loving understanding and acceptance of the next phase of your journey: meeting your individual galactic mentors.
Once the mass landings happen, your mentors will be presented to you. At that moment, full and open dialogue between us can finally begin. As you can image, we will have a lot to say to each other. The predominant topic will quickly become your return to full consciousness as this is the prime reason for our presence here. There will be so much for you to absorb and you will need time to digest all the new information. You will need to learn to think not with your minds but with your hearts which is where truth can be known. This last phase of your journey to full consciousness requires you to wholly transform the way you think and feel, and to totally reconceive how you view yourselves, both spiritually and emotionally. It is to be a great challenge that we know you can rise to, as you dig deep within you to bring out the Love that is your essence. Once you harness this Love source within, it will propel you collectively toward your many coming triumphs, and when the moment comes, you will be more than ready and willing to embrace your metamorphosis into full consciousness as you step into your individual Living Light Chamber. Then, as a Being of Light you will join us to happily take on your divine service to physicality and, most of all, to the Creator.
Once begun, things will move quickly. Your forced quarantine from full consciousness will end and a welcome-home ceremony will take place, where you once again join forces with your spiritual and space families. This grand reunion will open up your access to Inner Earth as you come together again with those who faithfully represent your ancestors. Their history will no longer be wreathed in 'myth' but will become a living saga that relates your origins and why you are here. When you have absorbed all this, you will be whole again and able to effectively carry out your life contracts. Building your star-nation will throw the doors open to not only the other water worlds of this solar system but to distant reaches of this galaxy as part of your divine service to physicality. You will be greeted by other sentient Beings and help them to achieve full consciousness as you did. Indeed, you will be very instrumental in helping to forge a new home galaxy for all of us! It is to be the best of times! A time for grand adventures and exploration as we manifest the Creator's divine plan together.
Namaste! We are your Ascended Masters! We come to you with new tidings! The energies being sent to this blessed realm by the Light are nearing their peak, and the numerous effects of this vast increase in Light are becoming apparent. The dark has lost its battle to survive and we are preparing the many teachings that we will be giving you. Each of us will show you the wisdom you will need to continue raising your levels of consciousness. These moral compasses will guide you as you approach ever closer to the day when you are finally ready for your individual Living Light Chamber. We will be beside you each step of the way as you make this miraculous transformation, and after your full-consciousness etiquette training, it will be our ongoing mission to supervise and guide you on the nature of your divine service to Heaven. In fact, these aspects we are describing are merely part of our service to Gaia and to each of you as a whole new epoch for humanity is then to come into being. Hallelujah! Hallelujah!
Our role in this mission is to watch over humanity and provide moral guidance. We answer the calls for help given out by the human collective. We alleviate your grievous wounds and transmit messages for humanity's salvation. Now our tasks include moving all of you successfully to a realm of rising consciousness where you can become aware of your spiritual heart center. We are joyously watching the benefits of these activities come into being, and as Heaven now applies her immense energies to transforming your reality into Light, it gives our messages and assistance to you more credibility. This is a time of rising spirituality and is the moment we have long anticipated. Right now we are engaged in terminating the long tyranny of the dark so that the new financial system and new governance can be grandly ushered in by our prosperity plans along with a general worldwide jubilee. A new epoch has arrived!
The new epoch for humanity will include a reunion with your brethren in space, Inner Earth, and in Spirit. It will be abundantly clear that you have never been alone! You are part of one of the vast human life chains by which the Creator spreads life throughout this near-infinite space known as physicality. Here are found billions of non-corporeal Beings as well. In this vastness of highly sentient life we sit and dwell in Love and in Light. Now we come as fully conscious Beings to carry out in joy the divine plan for physicality. We voluntarily contracted to carry out these duties, which give us great joy as they fulfill our heart's deep longings. All feels our great Love as we graciously interact with each other; our lives are filled with heavenly bliss, and every day we receive honors for what we accomplish. This is truly a most wondrous way to live, and one we long to share with you!
Today, we reviewed some recent developments and what our futures hold. We come to your world to bring you the great gift of full consciousness and the joy that that gives to all of physicality. You are to be welcomed into this state of bliss not only by us but by all of Creation! Know, dear Ones, that the countless Supply and never-ending Prosperity of Heaven are indeed Yours! So Be It! Selamat Gajun! Selamat Ja! (Sirian for Be One! and Be in Joy!)
Planetary Activation Organization
http://www.paoweb.com/index.html


OKIE OIL MAN FROM OOM CHAT 08/08/13 EVENING

OKIE OIL MAN FROM OOM CHAT 08/08/13 EVENING

New post  AdminSambo Yesterday at 9:19 pm
[..OKIEOILMAN] WATCH THE SKIES---I AM TRYING MY BEST TO LAND TONIGHT--OR TOMMOROW---LOOKS PROMISING PRESENTLY--WILL KEEP YOU POSTED

[..OKIEOILMAN] NO PROMISES YET BUT A LANDING TONIGHT IS POSSIBLE--I AM DEFINITELY INBOUND PRESENTLY

[..OKIEOILMAN] TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN------I MAY NEED TUFFY TONIGHT

[..OKIEOILMAN] TUFFY IS IN CHARGE OF GROUND CONTROL


The Missing 13th Amendment and the First Corporation

Reader C: The Missing 13th Amendment and the First Corporation
Posted By: Lion [Send E-Mail]
Date: Friday, 9-Aug-2013 05:36:06
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Thanks kindly, C
Re: Unbelievable (?) Irony
From my blog
Sunday, July 14, 2013
The Missing 13th Amendment Part 1
The more I research the more I realize just how little most people know about the current situation in the united states.
For me it has gotten to the point that I can no longer recognize it as the UNITED STATES, because of it's continued actions towards the inhabitants of not only this country, but the whole planet as well.
If one looks around the internet long enough, you will find dozens of theories on not only why the country is in the situation it is, but also who is behind the nefarious activity.
There is no shortage of articles making angry pronouncements about myriad politicians, corrupt bankers, out of control corporations, a compliant media that runs interference for their owners.
State intelligence agencies the world over out of control, and that is only the tip of the iceberg, I could throw in all the religious trappings coming from all directions, and you have enough noise and distractions going on to keep the folks in the round room looking for a corner in it forever.
Lets take a look at the true history of America's origin.
I came across a site the other day, and a link within it that I would like to share with readers. It begins with ironic enough the First Corporation.
During the decades preceding the American Revolution, the East India Company, while still continuing to amass great wealth through the opium trade, changed its name to the British East India Company.
They were intimately involved in financing every aspect of the American revolutionary war, having had their orders sent down directly from the puppet masters wielding ultimate control from behind the curtain within the Vatican.
Make no mistake, though: The founders of the United States constitution, the likes of George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, James Madison, etc., were very well aware of the existence of these groups.
It is for this very reason that they attempted to break away from what they perceived as the oligarchical and tyrannical rule of the British monarchy, for they knew full well what was happening in the Far East with the opium trade.
It was no secret that during this time in history, a vast amount of the land, resources, and wealth in England were controlled by a very small number of people, and the majority of the populace played the role of serfs to the ruling elites.
For a time, England did lose control of the New World to the victorious colonial forces and to the founders of the constitution.
This situation, however, was not to last for very long.
On the early morning of June 20th, 1815, Nathan Rothschild, one of five sons of Mayer Amschel Bauer, pulled off one of the most devious financial schemes in history...
More:
http://netteandme.blogspot.com/2013/07/the-missing-13th-amendment-part-1.html
http://netteandme.blogspot.com/2013/07/the-missing-13th-amendment-part-2.html
http://netteandme.blogspot.com/2013/07/the-district-of-columbia-act-of-1871.html
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http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=284254

Drone hunting - head for Colorado!

Subject: Fwd: there is a God and he has common sense.......Too bad he lives in Colorado

thought you would enjoy this
Valerie-Anne


Subject: there is a God and he has common sense.......Too bad he lives in Colorado


Drone hunting licenses headed for the ballot in tiny Colorado town August 8, 2013
  
By Binaryloop | I've lived all over the US and found that most Americans love liberty but, get fooled into partisan politics. My goal is to wake people up and help them see it's not about left or right -- it's about freedom!

  Opinions from Liberty Crier contributors and members are their own and do not necessarily reflect those of The Liberty Crier.


Voters in tiny Deer Trail, Colorado, will vote in November on a plan to allow residents to shoot government drones out of the sky.

The town council split on the idea 3-3 during a somewhat combative meeting Tuesday night.

Local resident Phil Steel proposed the idea after seeing news reports of domestic spying by the National Security Agency.



Steel called drones an invasion of both privacy and of the town’s sovereign airspace. A resolution he drafted detailed the rules of engagement for people who hold “drone hunting” licenses to be issued by the town for $25 each.

License holders can only use shotguns to fire on targets below 1,000 feet. Should anyone down a drone, the town would pay a bounty ranging from $25 to $100 depending on the condition of the “trophy.”

Drone hunting licenses headed for the ballot in tiny Colorado town [continued]


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TK CHAT UPDATE, 8 AUGUST

TK CHAT UPDATE, 8 AUGUST

TERRYK late chat 10:15 pm EST 08/08/2013
[TERRYK] THERE MAYBE SOMETHING GOING ON IN IRAQ RIGHT NOW
[TERRYK] I TOLD YOU ALL EARLIER A LITTLE BIRDIE TOLD ME THAT THE EAST CHiNA SIDE OF THE WORLD
[TERRYK] MAYBE GOING ON HEADING THIS WAY
[TERRYK] STILL TRYING TO VERIFY
[TERRYK] BE RIGHT IN
[TERRYK] I HEAR THE TRAIN A COMING
[TERRYK] ITS ROLLING ROUND THE BEND
[TERRYK] I SEE THE RV
[sully2781] sing it elvis !!!
[TERRYK] WHOO HOO
[TERRYK] COME ON BRING IT
[homesickjones]    are we there is it really here
[TERRYK] NOT YET HOMEIE
[rich17]    What do you see?
[msjeta1]    think Okie will be able to land tonight?
[TERRYK] FLYING AROUND IN MY TWIN PROP
[TERRYK] BRRRUUUMMMM BRRRUMMM SPUTTER SPUTTTTTER
[TERRYK] OH OH
[TERRYK] OM MY
[heartsofhope]    be carefull do not run out of gas
[TERRYK] BE BACK IN ABOUT AN HOUR I THINK
[TERRYK] GOD BLESS
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A Message from Snowden's email provider "Congress has taken away my First Amendment rights"

Subject: A Message from Snowden's email provider

Boom. Boom. Out Go The Lights.

Posted on August 9, 2013 1 Comment
Poster100a
Don’t talk on the phone – careless talker is a boon for a spy
The post made by the company owner:
My Fellow Users,
I have been forced to make a difficult decision: to become complicit in crimes against the American people or walk away from nearly ten years of hard work by shutting down Lavabit. After significant soul searching, I have decided to suspend operations. I wish that I could legally share with you the events that led to my decision. I cannot. I feel you deserve to know what’s going on–the first amendment is supposed to guarantee me the freedom to speak out in situations like this. Unfortunately, Congress has passed laws that say otherwise. As things currently stand, I cannot share my experiences over the last six weeks, even though I have twice made the appropriate requests.
What’s going to happen now? We’ve already started preparing the paperwork needed to continue to fight for the Constitution in the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals. A favorable decision would allow me resurrect Lavabit as an American company.
This experience has taught me one very important lesson: without congressional action or a strong judicial precedent, I would _strongly_ recommend against anyone trusting their private data to a company with physical ties to the United States.

Sincerely,
Ladar Levison
Owner and Operator, Lavabit LLC

Obama Bodyguard Found Dead After Having an Affair With a Foreign National

Obama Bodyguard Found Dead After Having an Affair With a Foreign National

A Bodyguard of Obama was found dead in his car, ruled a suicide by carbon monoxide poisoning from the car exhaust. Before he died, he was under investigation for an extra marital affair with a foreign national.

(Photo by Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images)
By Cassius Methyl
Intellihub.com

August 5, 2013
Employees for the government sometimes are required to inform the agency about relationships with foreign people, allegedly to confirm that the person is not a threat to ‘national security’. Apparently, one of Obama’s bodyguards, Rafael Prieto, had an affair, and killed himself for some reason while under investigation. His secret was revealed by other agents during their investigation for another sex scandal.
Maybe the reason he killed himself was his marriage failing, or maybe it was something more complicated, such as what he saw working for the government, or what he learned. Maybe he was murdered, but that is not likely because it is difficult to force someone to sit in a car filling up with carbon dioxide. Maybe he was knocked unconscious first.
This may be noteworthy to provide insight into the behavior and mental complex of these employees of government; bodyguards, agents, officers. In some cases, the track record of these people is to be filled with prostitution, indulgence in alcohol and criminal behavior, etc. Earlier this year, 13 Secret Service agents were implicated in a prostitution scandal in Colombia.
This was what was under investigation, when the bodyguard who killed himself has his secret revealed. Officers and agents led prostitutes to their hotel after a long night of drinking and partying, possibly doing other drugs. An apparently self righteous and inconsiderate agent refused to pay a prostitute he used for sex, and he yelled at her in a hallway. The incident went public, and someone connected to Rafael essentially told on him.
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http://intellihub.com/2013/08/09/obama-bodyguard-found-dead-after-having-an-affair-with-a-foreign-national/

Oliver Stone’s Son Says 9/11 Was an ‘Inside Job’

Oliver Stone’s Son Says 9/11 Was an ‘Inside Job’

Sean Stone speaks out against NATO imperialism and says that the official government story about 9/11 is a lie

NEW YORK, NY – JUNE 19: Sean Stone attends The Inaugural St. Jude Spring Social at Noir NYC on June 19, 2013 in New York City. (Photo by Astrid Stawiarz/Getty Images)
By JG Vibes
Intellihub.com
August 9, 2013
I understand that many people would rather that we not report on celebrities at all, but what these people are saying can give us an indication of what the rest of the herd will be saying in the not so distant future.  Whether we like it or not, a celebrity, any celebrity embracing a message that is counter to the mainstream is going to make that message more palatable to the general population.
Recently, Woody Harrelson shocked his mainstream interviewer when he said that he was an anarchist and that people were capable of taking care of themselves without political systems.
Oliver Stone is another one who has a long history of questioning the system, while using his art form, and position in the spotlight to bring attention to important issues.  His son Sean may be even more outspoken, and has recently made some controversial remarks.
Speaking in an interview, Stone said that “9/11 was probably an inside job of some kind that it was not simply a rag-tag group of terrorists led by bin Laden who conducted this operation.”
Additionally, Stone called the U.S. war on terror “over a decade of constant fear mongering and aggression.” “Despite the fact that there’s more awareness on it, why is it that we do continue to see this propaganda about the boogeyman terrorists whether they be Muslim or Russian or North Korean or what not? What is that system? It’s a cycle of fear. It’s a cycle that has to be broken internally,” Stone said.
There is so much evidence that has come to light since the collapse of the world trade centers that it is now quite clear that there was a massive cover up involved in this situation.  There were also many members of the establishment, employees of the CIA, FBI, NSA and other organizations who caught on to the cover up while it was happening.  These whistleblowers successfully exposed the cover up beyond a reasonable doubt, but their stories were largely ignored by the mainstream media. 
The testimony of people like Sibel Edmonds, Richard Andrew Grove, William Bergman, Coleen Rowley, J. Michael Springmann, Robert Wright, Indira Singh and Barry Jennings totally blows the official government account out of the water.  Among the piles of scientific and anecdotal evidence, there are now over 1300 architects and engineers who have signed a petition demanding of Congress a truly independent investigation. 
This independent investigation is necessary because the 9/11 commission was a total puppet committee, who just pushed the story that the pentagon ordered them to.
http://intellihub.com/2013/08/08/oliver-stones-son-says-911-was-an-inside-job/

Iraqi dinar - recently being said... * / "...LIVE IN THE EAST...?"

Iraqi dinar - recently being said... * / "...LIVE IN THE EAST...?"
Posted By: hobie [Send E-Mail]
Date: Friday, 9-Aug-2013 03:10:50

Hi, Folks -
Found at www.dinarguru.com :
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8-8-2013 Intel Guru Okie_Oil_Man WATCH THE SKIES---I AM TRYING MY BEST TO LAND TONIGHT--OR TOMORROW---LOOKS PROMISING PRESENTLY--WILL KEEP YOU POSTED. NO PROMISES YET BUT A LANDING TONIGHT IS POSSIBLE--I AM DEFINITELY INBOUND PRESENTLY.
8-8-2013 Newshound Guru Kaperoni Though I cannot post it, I will say, that the ITTS transcript from today confirms they are talking about the currency on TV in Iraq. Good news for sure.
8-8-2013 Intel Guru TD As U probably know I had a concern of terrorist tragedy being a cause of delay and although yes there was a horrible bombing yesterday in Iraq I was told today by my source that "basically nothing...will deter things at this point". It's that far along and there's no stopping things now. He also said that "there's no way we will let the bad guys win out at this stage". "Iraq WILL take it's rightful place in the world stage[post 1 of 2....stay tuned]
8-8-2013 Intel Guru TD ...this process is more complex with so many entities that it has finally evolved to a climax. Just wanted to go on record ( for the second & last time ) that WE ARE THERE. You'll probably see announcements in Iraq this weekend and International banking transaction early next week.[post 2 of 2]
8-8-2013 Intel Guru TerryK LAST NIGHT I TOLD YOU I COULD NOT TELL U THINGS, WELL THEM THINGS HAPPENED TODAY...SO THEY ARE ALL PRETTY STOKED AND SAYING WE SHALL BE AT THE BANK BY MONDAY.[are we looking for this to happen late tonight or early morning hours?THAT'S WHAT IM BEING TOLD AGAIN. I KNOW IT'S BEEN REPORTED THAT SOME OF OUR BANKS CAN SEE A RATE BUT IT'S A DUPED RATE, A DUMMY RATE, NOT REAL...TESTING SYSTEM. ANOTHER SOURCE CALLED HE IS HEARING IT WENT LIVE IN THE EAST...AS IN CHINA...AS WELL, SO WE MAY SEE THIS TONIGHT.
8-8-2013 Intel Guru Arizona Heat just heard from contacts in Reno that the rate is live...hoping! Go RV!
8-9-2013 Intel/Newshound Guru Poppy3 WOW I JUST GOT HOME A FEW MINUTES AGO AND NEWS I AM GETTING HAS BEEN VERY EXCITING. I WILL NOT SHARE IT YET BUT SHOULD BE ABLE TO BY TOMORROW [FRIDAY] AFTERNOON. IF REAL AND I CAN CONFIRM EVERYONE WILL BE VERY HAPPY AND READY TO REJOICE. IT WOULD NOT HAVE EVEN GOTTEN MY ATTENTION EXCEPT FROM WHERE IT CAME FROM. WHAT I WILL SAY IS THAT I STATED MONDAY THAT I EXPECT TO BE SPENDING MONEY BY THE 15TH, WITH THIS NEWS I STILL BELIEVE THAT. POPPY3