Monday, December 2, 2013

Tribunal Issues Landmark Verdict against Israel for Genocide

[New post] Tribunal Issues Landmark Verdict against Israel for Genocide


2012thebigpicture posted: " The People are going after these animals. I think it's a good idea the Tribunals do their job prior to The Event so it's not simply coming out of the blue; that the crimes, culprits and proof are laid out officially and the warrants issued.  How many "

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Tribunal Issues Landmark Verdict against Israel for Genocide

by 2012thebigpicture
The People are going after these animals. I think it's a good idea the Tribunals do their job prior to The Event so it's not simply coming out of the blue; that the crimes, culprits and proof are laid out officially and the warrants issued.  How many countries will be supporting these tribunal decisions when all is said and done? Probably more than we realize, but the numbers are mounting.  ~ BP
To a crowded courtroom on the late afternoon of November 25, presiding Judge Lamin Mohd Yunus announced the verdict by an international panel of seven jurists:
“The Tribunal is satisfied, beyond reasonable doubt, that the first defendant, (General) Amos Yaron, is guilty of crimes against humanity and genocide, and the second defendant, the State of Israel, is guilty of genocide.”
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The landmark ruling against Israel for its genocide against the Palestinian people rendered by the Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Tribunal is significant for several reasons:
- In contrast to other non-official courts of conscience on Palestinian rights, for example, the Russell Tribunal on Palestine (New York 2012), the prosecution in Kuala Lumpur took a step beyond war crimes and crimes against humanity to the higher and broader charge of genocide.
- The decision was rendered during the ongoing commission of the alleged crime by the defendant, rather than after the fact as in earlier genocide cases.
- Instead of limiting its ruling to individuals who ordered genocidal actions, the jurists also charged the state as a defendant.
- As a consequence, this case breaks the tradition of immunity of nation-states from criminal prosecution under international law.
- The decision introduces a legal basis for international action to protect minorities from genocide as a lawful alternative to the current response of so-called humanitarian intervention, invasion, occupation and regime change, which have often been as illegitimate and more destructive, and in some cases as genocidal as the original violation being punished.
The Kuala Lumpur Tribunal based its momentous decision on the 1948 Genocide Convention, which prohibits and punishes the killing, causing of harm and deliberate infliction of conditions of life calculated to bring about the physical destruction of a group of people, targeted for their ethnicity, religion or race. In instances of genocide, these criminal acts are done with the specific intent of destroying as a part or in whole of the targeted group, as in this plight the Palestinian people.
The defendants, Gen. Yaron and the Israeli State , through its representatives, refused to accept the Tribunal summons and appear in court.
Prominent Israeli legal scholars also refused invitations to serve as defense counsel. The Tribunal therefore appointed an Amicus Curae (defense counsel, referred to by the Latin term for “friends of the court”), including attorneys Jason Kay Kit Leon, Larissa Cadd, Dr. Rohimi Shapiee and Matthew Witbrodt, to defend the accused. Even absent Israeli participation, the defense proved to be forceful and often made heated remarks in Israel’s defense, especially during the cross-examinations of expert witnesses.
Why Not New York , London , Paris or Berlin
One point to note is that the sponsoring Kuala Lumpur Commission on War Crimes and its associated international Tribunal is unrelated to Malaysia and its legal system, aside from the participation of some Malaysian jurists and citizens in its proceedings. Malaysian laws are in many areas quite different from and sometimes in diametric opposition to the legal opinions of the international Tribunal. The independence of this “court of conscience” allows an approach to international law unconstrained by local norms, but this also means that the Tribunal lacks an enforcement capability.
That the first-ever Tribunal to prosecute Israel for genocide was initiated in Southeast Asia offers some indication of the continuing sensitivity within the traditional “center” of international law, Western Europe and North America, toward the circumstances behind Israel’s creation.
The Kuala Lumpur proceedings are bound to raise controversy and discomfort, especially among a reluctant West, since the historical motive behind creating a modern Jewish state in 1948 was largely a response to the abandonment of European Jewry to the pogroms and extermination program of the Third Reich, which in its early stages went unopposed by Western governments and prominent opinion leaders in the Atlantic community.
The courage to finally confront Israel after nearly seven decades of eviction and merciless brutality against the Palestinian people was summoned not by the Atlantic community but in faraway Southeast Asia , where a law case could be pursued with critical distance, logical dispassion and an absence of historical complicity. In short, an evidence-based fair trial found Israel to be guilty of genocide.
Why Israel
Why then was Israel singled out by the Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission on genocide charges before its Tribunal, when many other states have gone unpunished? Chief prosecutor Gurdial Singh explained:
“Other settler states, for example Australia, have offered compensation and apologized for the dispossession and harm to their indigenous populations, while Israel remains unapologetic and continues its campaign of destruction against Palestinians and to make their conditions unlivable inside and outside its borders.”
In contrast with previous special courts involving genocide charges, this Tribunal left the time frame of events open-ended, by starting just before the creation of the State of Israel until the present and, presumably, into the future until Israel ceases its expansionist campaign against the Palestinians and offers instead justice and reconciliation. By comparison in prior cases invoking the Genocide Convention, including those against former Yugoslavia, Rwanda, Cambodia and Sierra Leone, the mass killings of civilians were perpetrated within a short time-frame by political leaders of the then-governing regime or by a major political faction.
The Kuala Lumpur Tribunal asserted that the modern Jewish state, in contrast to other cases, had since even before its inception pursued a genocidal program as a consistent feature and indeed a foundation of state policy. Therefore, genocide in the Israeli case cannot be solely attributed as the isolated action of a leader, political party or elected government but remains the responsibility of the state itself.
Genocide as Response
The specific intent of Israeli state policy, since even before the founding of Israel, was discussed in a live-video transmission by expert witness Ilan Pappe, an Israeli historian at University of Exeter in the UK and the director of the European Centre for Palestine Studies. His research has revealed that a planning group of top-ranking Jewish military leaders in the Haganah militia, led by David Ben Gurion (who later became Israel’s first prime minister) devised an ethnic-cleansing program to rid the future Israel of its Arab predecessors. Called Plan Dalet (the letter “D” indicating the fourth plan of a colonialist agenda) was to be activated as soon as the British suspended the Palestine Mandate.
With the declaration of Israeli statehood in 1948, a coordinated armed campaign by Israeli military forces and paramilitary units against hundreds of Palestinian urban neighborhoods and rural villages led to the flight of an estimated 700,000 refugees from Palestine and parts of neighboring Trans-Jordan, including Jerusalem . Although the Israeli intent was intended to intimidate the Palestinians into relocating outside the borders, but before long village populations that refused to flee were mass murdered.
The forcible deportation of indigenous inhabitants from their homes and land was a criminal act of ethnic cleansing, Pappe said. That policy, however, soon metamorphosed into a systematic campaign to destroy Palestinians, that is, genocide. Under cross-examination by defense team, the historian explained, that as an Israeli citizen and son of Jewish refugees who escaped Nazi-ruled Germany , it is morally, ethically and historically inconsistent to condemn the genocide against Jews while endorsing a new one against Palestinians.
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7 Causes & solutions for low energy

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Those of you who grew up in the 60’s and 70’s like me can probably remember watching the Brady Bunch, mastering the “Hula Hoop” and the arrival of the disco era with its feathered hairstyles, polyester suits and “the Hustle.”
And of course one of the major issues we remember from the 70s was the ENERGY CRISIS. 
There were images splashed all over the news of people waiting in long lines for hours to get gas, quadrupling prices, stations rationing how much you could get, or some running out of gas altogether.
Well, history is repeating itself, my friend.
Because we’re faced with a modern day energy crisis.
But this time it’s not about oil shortages and rationings.
It’s about bodily energy—YOUR energy.
That’s right—low energy is one of the primary complaints that patients report to their doctors and it’s getting worse—not better.
People in increasing numbers are relying on coffee, soda, 5-hour energy drinks or Stackers just to keep going through their day.
Now, the begging question here is: WHAT’S GOING ON?
Why are so many people dragging through life completely dependent on caffeine and chemicals just to keep their eyeballs open?
Well, the answers are all around us. 
You see, there are seven MAJOR factors around you that could be draining YOUR energy and leaving you feeling perpetually pooped (as well as possibly likely overweight and sick too).
Let’s take a look at the “Seven Sneaky Energy Sappers” as well as discuss ways you can counteract them and put more pep in YOUR step—fast!
Sneaky Energy Sapper #1: Overwhelmed immune systems
For most of the history of mankind, chemicals were completely unheard of. 
Now?  We currently have over 85,000 chemicals in our food, environment and medications!
These are completely foreign to your body, most notably your immune system that has to figure out how to deal with this chemical onslaught and gets stressed to the max as a result.
Plus our guts are suffering the effects of a modern processed food diet and poor digestion, which results in proteins being absorbed into the bloodstream before they’re broken down like they should be.  This further taunts your immune system and puts it in overdrive.
The result?  You are FAR more susceptible to energy-sapping infections and viruses, as well as food allergies and autoimmune diseases.
How to fight back: In addition to a healthy diet of REAL foods (more on that below), probiotic supplementation is key.
And when it comes to probiotic supplements that are up to the task, Super Shield is your ticket.
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Sneaky Energy Sapper #2: Lacking proper sleep
Up until about 130 years ago when Thomas Edison invented the light bulb, the average person got about 9 hours of sleep per night.
Now thanks to lights, TVs, computers and video games (as well as longer and longer workdays) we’re down to an average of 6.5 hours per night….and that’s just not enough for your body and mind to rejuvenate like it needs to.
How to fight back: If you’re a Night Owl, it’s time to change your ways.  Turn off the TV, power down the computer and get some decent rest. At least 7- 8 hours a night should be your goal.
Sneaky Energy Sapper #3: Sluggish thyroid or exhausted adrenals
Your thyroid gland is your body’s Grand Central Station of metabolism, and that includes creating energy from your foods. 
So if you have low-functioning thyroid (which is becoming increasingly common due to autoimmunity, medications, stress, toxins and heavy metal exposure) you are practically guaranteed to be dragging as a result.
Plus your adrenal glands signal your body to create energy when you are under physical or mental stress. 
Problem is, many of us have chronic ongoing stress—and this exhausts our adrenal glands so they can’t do their job as well or at all…and your energy can come crashing down as a result.
How to fight back: If you suspect thyroid or adrenal hormone deficiencies may be an issue for you, it’s time to get your hormone levels tested. 
In addition, lowering stress and having a healthy diet (more on those below) are important here too.
Sneaky Energy Sapper #4: Lacking exercise
Exercise leads to an interesting phenomenon--it requires energy, but it also CREATES energy. 
You see, as you become more fit, all of your organs work better because they're getting the oxygen and glucose they need and eliminating toxins -- and that means increased energy!
How to fight back:  Good news here--you don't need to join a gym!
Even walking at a decent pace for at least 30 minutes is fine.  According to research presented by the American Heart Association, women who walked briskly each week reported almost 20 percent MORE energy than their couch potato peers.
So get going!
Sneaky Energy Sapper #5: Nutrient deficiencies
This is a biggie.
Thanks to our nutrient-poor typical diets loaded with processed foods, refined carbs and trans-fats, our poor bodies are suffering from droves of nutrient deficiencies.
Two of the most common deficiencies that can affect your energy level are Vitamin B12 and Vitamin D.
Vitamin B12 is absolutely VITAL for your body to create energy. 
Plus Vitamin D is essential for proper immune function and the avoidance of energy-killing autoimmune diseases, viruses and infections.
How to fight back: First of all, remember your body naturally produces Vitamin D when you’re exposed to the sun.  Problem is, we’ve been unnecessarily advised to avoid the sun at ALL cost because of the risk of skin cancer.
Brief (NOT excessive) exposure to the sun is healthy—it’s how Nature intended you to get the Vitamin D you need!  Spending 10-15 minutes outdoors is all it takes.
Roasting yourself to the point of burning, on the other hand, is never a good idea. 
And regarding Vitamin B12—your body needs stomach acids to properly break B12 apart from your foods and absorb it…but since SO many people are on acid reducers, their bodies can’t do this.  So it’s no wonder that deficiencies in B12 continue to become more common!
Plus as you age, your stomach acid production can decrease which can also cause B12 deficiency.
Your doctor can do a simple test to see if you're low in B12.  If you are and changes to your diet aren't enough, don't just think that pills or shots are your only options.  B12 pills have been shown to have limited absorbency rates and shots are painful and expensive.
 Instead there is another very effective option for B12 supplementation that costs far less than shots, is convenient and has far better absorbency than pills.
It's Hydroxaden 2.5.
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Hydroxaden 2.5 is a simple to use Vitamin B12 spray that gives you the 2.5 mg of B12 (in the form of hydroxocobalamin) suggested by many nutrition experts.  Just five quick sprays under your tongue each day is all it takes.
Sneaky Energy Sapper #6: Stress
All of us have stress in our lives at one time or another, but sadly for many people, it's chronic.
In addition to taxing your adrenal glands like I mentioned above, one of the biggest problems caused by consistently high levels of stress it that it harms your gut flora, where 70% of your immune system happens to reside.
This makes you more susceptible to bacterial infections, viruses and sicknesses of all kinds--and when your body is desperately trying to fight repeated cycles of illness, that leaves no energy left for YOU.
So if you find yourself getting one sickness after another and have non-existent energy, it's time to start de-stressing.
How to fight back: Effective stress relievers include taking up a hobby, adopting a pet, counseling with a skilled therapist, prayer, meditation, aromatherapy, deep breathing, acupuncture, massage therapy and yoga.
Sneaky Energy Sapper #7: Poor digestion
This is the Granddaddy of them all.
Nothing your body does demands more energy than digestion. 
So if yours is not going along so well, you can forget having anything that even closely resembles a level of energy. 
Now, the key to having good digestion is to eat meals that your body can easily digest and make sure you have enough enzymes to do the job.
Unfortunately, the typical meals that most people eat could not be digested efficiently even if their GI tract was as strong as the 1970’s Pittsburgh Steelers defensive line!
And since their systems expend lots of enzymes trying to break down difficult meals like this, they can get to the point where their bodies can't produce enough enzymes anymore.
 How to fight back:  The winning team of Great Taste No Pain and Digestizol Max can help turn around a cycle of poor digestion...fast. 
The Great Taste No Pain health system can show you how to structure high-energy, easy to digest meals that are made from nutrient-rich REAL foods and taste positively fantastic!
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When you eat combinations of foods that can be broken down efficiently by your stomach and intestines, and give your body the enzyme help it might need, your system doesn't NEED to use up all your energy for digestion.
That leaves LOTS more energy for YOU!
If you’re suffering from a “personal energy crisis,” it’s time to turn that around NOW!
When you take a look at all the ways your energy might be “rationed,” and more importantly DO something about it, then you can see your energy crisis come to an end FAST!
To your health,
Sherry Brescia
PS: Susan & her husband are more energetic and sleeping better too!
Dear Sherry,
I'm fortunate that I found you early. For a number of years I've experienced lower GI upsets and just thought it was a temporary reaction to a particular food - although I couldn't see any particular item that was setting me 'off' and presumed that eating out and travel meant picking up some food bugs along the way.
When some pain began in my lower left abdomen region this year, I mentioned it to my doctor. At age 61 she informed me I was overdue for a colonoscopy - ugh! Voila – mild diverticular disease of the lower left colon. Eat more fiber was the advice.
I hit the internet and got confused - then found your website and ordered your Great Taste No Pain System. When I informed my husband he wasn't happy about changing his habits, but since he's been on Losec for almost 10 years for acid reflux, he was willing to try the system.
We have had huge changes happen for both of us. Bloating is a thing of the past, my husband has dropped weight without any effort, my digestive and elimination has become wonderfully normal - and so has his.
He decided to try giving up the Losec and has had no trouble with reflux/GERD at all – before if he would miss one day he was miserable.
We're happy campers! It's been so easy and we're especially enjoying tons of extra energy and better sleeping - great bonuses!
Thank you for the work you're doing - you're making a wonderful difference in the world.
Blessings,
Susan
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TNT DINAR CONFERENCE CALL NOTES

Unedited Notes by FlPatriot59 at I4U:

CALL STARTING NOW...T = TONY C = CALLER

TONY - Good morning, TNT! How is everybody? Every single person listening, member or not a member - you should all be superfantastic! It's going to be one of those days, based on what I'm hearing from everybody. I have to honestly tell you I was hoping we wouldn't have to do this call. So, I'm going to do this early & quick - tell you what's going on. I hope today is your last day on that job - give it to somebody else!

T - I'm going to tell you what you need to know at this point on how to protect yourself. Then we'll go through some history. You can hang up if you don't want to hear that part. But I'll give you the good news first.
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T - Over this process we've learning a lot about gov'ts, people, etc. You're going to learn some things today and the entire puzzle will come together for you today and you can ask some questions about it.

T - Here's the info. Last nigth we were hoping to do an RV announcement. Bank people were on high alert. It wasn't a 100% call-in, just upper management going over their instructions. They hung around until 2AM this morning thinking it would happen last night. The actual date for the RV - which will be reported in history - is December 1 at 9PM EST. That's the "official date". When do we cash out? Hopefully sometime today. What I can tell you is this: the rates this morning are "live" and ready to go, still just not released yet. They are supposed to release them today. The first time was 30 minutes ago. There is a new time, but I can't tell you. It is scheduled to go. Everybody at every level is saying that today is your day.

T - We're all set. Everybody doesn't need to go today. The rate will maintain for a while so don't panic. The 800#s were expanded to more banks. In the briefing yesterday they were reminded to be as accommodating as they can. Their number 1 goal is to get that money in their bank. They will be as competitive as possible to make that happen when you walk in. That's what the currency exchange personnel are being told. They're actually having a briefing right now. The rates are still high. But they asked me not to talk about the rate - still high double-digits. You'll be flabbergasted.

T - We will see different things. The rate in Iraq is 3.44. It will be the international rate. Our rate is being referred to as a CONTRACT RATE. This is what it will be referred to on Forex. I don't know which rate the exchangers will deal with. But you should have a plan of attack based on which one offers you the best deal. The rates will do one of 2 things: come out and maintain, or come out and go up or down. You should have a safety net based on either way. I have to believe they'll be competitive.

T - We're waiting just like you're waiting. But everybody is saying today is the day. It didn't happen at noon, so whatever is the next time we usually say is the next time. You can talk about it on the boards. It's the same time they always say. Last night they just didn't call in the people. The called in US Marshalls, Homeland Security, local police offers, 3-letter agencies - they were all there and they are all there today. They've never callled them all in like that at the call centers. They're also going to be there at the banks - both obvious and plain clothes. They do not want people coming in acting like idiots, buses, etc. Otherwise, you'll be turned away and be put on the bottom of the list.

 T - They're still wanting everybody processed in the first 5-7 days. The rates will hold for that time and then they will start doing what they're supposed to do. There will be Marshalls in place at the banks, regardless of what somebody else says. We need those people there in place because of the masses.

Q&A FROM CHAT ROOM....

Q - Since it's now back to the IMF, do we need to be concerned about the steps? BIS in the picture anymore? A - We are past all of that. It's between the IMF, UST and the banks. Everybody else has signed off on it. The rates are at the banks. The 800#s are at the banks. The IMF will determine what time is the release. The first time was at 9AM EST this morning. Then moved to 12:30 PM EST to make it fair to those on the west coast. Now we're moved to the next time. Hopefully this is our last call.

 Q - Has everyone gotten their cookies so we can go in and get our crumbs? A - I don't think you can call what you're getting "crumbs." Especially based on what we thought it would be.

Q - If the CBI says all 3-zero notes will be worthless on 1/1/14, what happens to those notes we hold? A - The UST is taking all the notes in and using as oil credits.

Q - Is it true that BoA is being bought out? A - BoA was taken over in a a couple of states but I don't have anymore info on that.

Q - What is the corrrect syntax for the currencies? A - ZWN is the Zimbabwe currency and it's at .22, with the six zeros taken off. That's all I can tell you at this time.

T - Just got a text that Washington Mutual is taking over BoA. Their concern is that accounts were frozen. I don't want to take them out of the equation yet. I'm splitting mine up among several banks.

"LIVE" CALL-IN STARTING NOW...C = CALLER | T = TONY

C - Is Maliki gone and what about the 1/1/14 deadline for the 3-zero notes? T - Maliki is not gone and won't be gone. Anybody putting out that we won't see the RV until Maliki is gone is wrong. He is not gone and it looks like it will happen today. The 3-zero notes apply in-country only. Our 30 days are still in place. Today is the 2nd and if it goes today that gives us 30 days.

T - The banks will have affliliate banks. You call the 800#, give them your zip code and they'll find you a local bank. They may not be up to date today or in the first hour. But within the first 4-5 days they should be up to date, definitely within the 30 days.

C - How can we find out if the smaller banks will handle the CE? CAn we call them? T - The only way I know is to call the local bank, call the 800# and let them tell you where. I don't see them having a list of banks in the US.

C - What is the difference between the contract rate and the international rate? Is that the IQN vs. IQD? Will the banks have 2 rates on the screens? T - I know right now the banks are all seeing different rates, even within the same banks. When the activation occurs every branch of a particular bank will have the same bank. I would go in with the IQN. Not sur what will happen when it goes live. I'd ask for the IQN rate (which is the contract rate). The IQD is being called the market rate or international rate.

C - What is the difference between the contract rate and the international rate? Is that the IQN vs. IQD? Will the banks have 2 rates on the screens? T - I know right now the banks are all seeing different rates, even within the same banks. When the activation occurs every branch of a particular bank will have the same RATE. I would go in with the IQN. Not sure what will happen when it goes live. I'd ask for the IQN rate (which is the contract rate). The IQD is being called the market rate or international rate.

T - Their intention is to hold the IQN rate for a certain amount of days while the IQD will come out at market rate. You should only be concerned with the IQN. The other rate (IQD) is for a whole other game you don't want to play.

T - CORRECTION: Washington Federal is taking over Bank of America, not Washington Mutual.

 [patientlytrek] FLPatriot59 Washington Federal to acquire the 51 Bank of America branches in Washington, Idaho, Oregon and New Mexico. Deal set to close 12/6. They are not taking over the entire company.

[FLPatriot59] patientlytrek Good clarification. Thanks!

C - If it's the market rate will you still have to complete the NDA? T - My understanding is that if you exchange any currecny you will sign an NDA. If you wait until after January to avoid the NDA, you won't be doing a currency exchange anymore this way.

C - When will the 30 days start? T - It should start today. Dec. 2 gives us 30 days. Iraq is pulling their 3-zero notes on Jan. 1, so they need this to happen beginning today for the 30 days.

T - This may be our last call. Our next call you'll want the 800#s and rates. I will give you the best I can give before cashout. My understanding is that as soon as it goes live we should get the 800#s immediately because they will be waiting for you to call.

T - It is my hope that you learned things about world economy our govt etc, it is not all good but they try. Some people are greedy but the big picture is that we can prosper and be the country that people want to come to. It will be 10 years before we can write about this, or see the movie. But in 10 years no one will care. I hope that we changed people's character for the better. You will be the ones people in your family and neighborhoods will look up to. Remember what you went through to get here. You'll be funding things and they will ask for your input, leadership and guidance. "With much power comes much responsibility."

T - I got in this knowing that I had already been making my own decisions and sacrificing for a lot of people. That is what leaders do. Being involved in network marketing, owning my own business, sacrificing, etc. I know what that's like. I hope this has been a learning experience. When I got in it was supposed to be for a short period of time. There was a website out there telling people to send $300 and sign up for as a VIP, and they'd send your dinar to Belize. That was my first experience with absolutely big crooks. People were actually sending them $300 over to another country, fly there and hope somebody is standing there waiting for you with your millions. Who does that make sense to?

T - I tried to make that right and tell people and tell them "REALLLY does that make sense?" People are going to come at you like you have no idea. Scammers are getting ready for you. Now that you have the money these people will come at you. I'm telling you what to look for in the future because I've already seen and am aware of what people are planning to do with your email. Knowledge is power! You should NEVER pay money for knowledge. As long as they are doing it the right way if they offer you a legitimate service you should be able to pay that.

[FLPatriot59] TONY IS REVIEWING PTR'S EVENTS, PAYMENT PRACTICIES, ETC. AND WILL NOT BE TRANSCRIBED.

[FLPatriot59] NOTE: TONY IS TALKING ABOUT HIS EXPERIENCES WITH FORMER SITES. THIS WILL NOT BE TRANSCRIBED.

T - I'm just showing you things that have gone on over time...and probably is the last time I have to open your eyes and decide if you will be involved again.

[FLPatriot59] TONY IS NOW SHARING HIS OPINION ABOUT THE "GROUPS" - WILL NOT BE TRANSCRIBED.

T - If you think it was bad on other sites and you did not know it, you cannot imagine what's going to happen as you become a multi-millioniare. Months from now things will happen and you'll know you need to be aware of those things. I know that was a whole lot of info and I feel better knowing I did the right thing to open some eyes. You need to be thinking about this afternoon when you got the call with 800#s and what you're going to do.

"LIVE" CALL-IN RESUMING NOW...

C - I talked to several banks and asked how they will keep our money info away from the tellers up front? T - Ask your personal banker or wealth manager. You can have a separate account (a local account) that is separate from your other funds. You will be dealing directly with your PB or WM.

C - Will we still be allowed to CE a $25K note prior to our appointment? T - That is still in place. Depending on how much you have, 2-3 notes, they may be able to cash you out at one time.

C - Should we be concerned about anything happening in Iraq, i.e., budget, seating of ministers, etc.? T - No, it will not. They are scheduling this for TODAY. People are in the bank TODAY. The call I got before this call indicated that is still the goal. Right now that's where we're headed.

C - Do we have to CE with a major bank? T - It can be a M&P bank. Call the 800# and they will give you the affiliate bank to go to in your area.

C - Are the rates stabilized or are they tricking up/down? T - The rates among banks is differing by $10 but those aren't the actual rates.

C - Will you get Okie on the call when you make "the" call? T - Pam and Ray thought that would be cool. But when I get the numbers I can do a call on the CC and get 6,000 people on the call. If we add BlogTalk that will cover another 15,000. What I want to do is give Okie the okay and he will make the announcement. Then we'll post the 800#s ourselves on our forum and on www.tntsuperfantastic.com, .net and in the chat room. I'll be waiting 1-2 hours to cashout to do all of this but I will for you guys first!

C - Can you tell us more accurately when the 30-day window closes? T - No, because I don't know what time. It could go to midnight.

C - Any comments on a post in the Forum from "Judge" (the purpose of the NDA is to control our mouths AND our money, disclosures for anything over $5K, being labeled by HS as a terrorist threat, etcs.). T - So let me get this right: our gov't has gone for 10 years writing banking laws so we could get this money on Monday/Tuesday, deposit millions in our bank account, so we could spend $5K and they could arrest and lock us up? Really?

T - They did all this for the last 10 years, kept renewing 13303, get the rates that high, so they could arrest us when we spend more than $5K on money and investments we made? And this is all in an NDA so they can control us? They already write all the laws. This doesn't make any sense. If you believe any of this nonsense you do not deserve to have any dinar.

C - The DC guys said they wanted to get this done before Black Friday so people could quit their jobs. How has this delay affected this plan? T - People didn't get to quit before Black Friday. Anytime you give 5M people this kind of money it will affect the economy. Did they want this for Black Friday? Yes. Do they still want, by the end of the month, for Christmas, this kind of stimulus? Yes. It still will stimulate the economy this month, even though they missed the flash of Black Friday. They still want this done and that is the driving force.

C - Is there a date since they missed BF? T - I don't know there is a cutoff date next year. Everybody in DC is saying today is the day. The difference is that we (banks) have the 800#s. Major security is in place now at the banks.

C - You were on the phone with 3 letter agencies ...that they weren't going to have the rates go down during the 30 days ...so all would be comfortable about getting the high rate..please comment. T - They want to alleviate some of your stress if you don't get in there the very first day. The rate WILL go down in the 1st 30 days. I just don't know when in that 30 days it will go down. They think they can get 5M people through in the first 5-7 days. The rates will stay high. They don't want people panicking. You don't have to get in the first day. If it takes a couple of day, that's fine. The rates will be steady before the market takes over.

C - Is the rate close to what you said last time? T - On some screens it is. How's that. That's the best I can do. They asked me not to say anymore. Some idiot in NY walked into a bank and said "Tony said..." regarding the rates. Don't do that!

C - There's talk about private placements where you can get offers at the bank through those instead of through retail side? T - I do know there were some private deals being made through some countries. DC is aware of it because they authorized it. It's one of those deals where you have to know somebody.

C - Is the VND holding steady? T - I heard the rate 1.98 for the IQD that is being paid now and I heard other rumors that did not make sense to me. The VNN will probably go down faster that the other rates.

PAM - We got some great info and hopefully Tony will be doing another call today. He'll do a call later by himself because I'll be at the bank.

C = CALLER | P = PAM | T = TONY

C - Does Pam get all the info before you (Tony)? T - Absolutely, yes she does! LOL.

C - Is the email address we give when we call the 800# for our ID at the CE or is that so they can respond to us that way? T - I was told it would be for ID and that at your appointment they would ask for the email address you gave. You can always delete your email address after your appointment. When you call you're dealing with bank people. No worries.

T - This morning I got an email from PTR and it wants my email address and password to "view this document." I wondered if they were sending me a virus and found out others got it too. I sent it forward to another email address and my computer issued warning about it. My banking email will be strictly for banking. My new laptop will be strictly for banking. Nothing else.
C - Back in June we were told there was an in-country RV. Can you explain that? T - That was for contractors and we were supposed to see it in July. Then it became all political and power moves. The did have an in-country RV and they're waiting for it go international, which should be today. There is nothing they need to do for us to see this.

T - I'm down to my last 3 minutes. There's a "Pastor Elroy Miller" who is sending out an emails about me and my background, saying I'm giving high rates so I can steal your dinar. I don't care if he's a pastor or not. That is ignorance and he's an idiot. I have not asked you to partner with me on anything nor have I asked you for anything. What kind of a church leader does that? Some take kindness for weakness and I've tried to be kind. Sometimes you have to call an ignorant ass an ignorant ass. It is what it is.

T - Last night they got hyped up for this like you wouldn't believe. This morning they brought them ALL in. At 5 minutes to 9AM EST the rates were live at the banks. At 12:30 PM EST they were live with an administrative hold. Right now they are bringing to people into the banks to go to work. Security is like we've never seen it at the call centers. Undercover and uniformed police are there now. There are enough days and time before the rates go down for you to be taken care of. That's the message I'm asked to give you. They want this organized and calm. Hopefully it won't be long and we'll be posting the 800#s. That's it for the day. All the news is positive. Everybody is saying today is our day and hopefully it won't go to midnight. Enjoy your day.

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Posted By: hobie [Send E-Mail]
Date: Monday, 2-Dec-2013 18:59:06
Hi, Folks -
Found at dinarguru.com:
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12-2-2013 *** Dinar Guru News Flash *** Lots of buzz in the air right now...very exciting times for sure! As of right now we have NOT gotten confirmation that an RV has happened. Remember we are looking for consensus from newshound and intel gurus and from our over 70,000 dinar guru members scattered throughout the work...we have NOT gotten that just yet. Right now ONLY the TNT Tony/Okie camp is hearing the RV is here. Use the RV meters on the left side of this page to see the big Guru picture...stay tuned as the other guru updates will surface soon!
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12-2-2013 Intel Guru Okie_Oil_Man it appears today it is all over. We should receive our 800 numbers anytime now. I will be back with further information. ---finally---we are waiting to go to the banks. As of this time there are no more delays. It is completed--this is not the official notice yet---that should be forthcoming with the information you need regarding appointment numbers.---make your plans--do it now!
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12-2-2013 Intel Guru TNT Tony [via FlaPatriot59] Last night we were hoping to do an RV announcement. Bank people were on high alert. The actual date for the RV - which will be reported in history - is December 1 at 9PM EST. That's the "official date". When do we cash out? Hopefully sometime today. What I can tell you is this: the rates this morning are "live" and ready to go, still just not released yet. They are supposed to release them today. It is scheduled to go. Everybody at every level is saying that today is your day. [post 1 of 2....stay tuned]
12-2-2013 Intel Guru TNT Tony The rates are still high. But they asked me not to talk about the rate - still high double-digits.They're still wanting everybody processed in the first 5-7 days. The rates will hold for that time and then they will start doing what they're supposed to do. [When will the 30 days start?] It should start today. Dec. 2 gives us 30 days. Iraq is pulling their 3-zero notes on Jan. 1, so they need this to happen beginning today for the 30 days. At 5 minutes to 9AM EST the rates were live at the banks. At 12:30 PM EST they were live with an administrative hold. Right now they are bringing to people into the banks to go to work. Security is like we've never seen it at the call centers. Everybody is saying today is our day. [post 2 of 2]


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