EXCLUSIVE
REPORT: NSA Whistleblower: Snowden Never Had Access to the JUICIEST Documents …
Far More Damning
June 8, 2014 by
NSA
Spying On Congress, Admirals, Lawyers … Content As Well As Metadata … Cheney
Was Running the Show
NSA
whistleblower Russel Tice was a key source in the 2005 New York Times report that blew the lid off the Bush administration’s use of
warrantless wiretapping.
Tice
told PBS and other media that the NSA is spying on – and blackmailing
– top government officials and military officers, including Supreme Court Justices,
highly-ranked generals, Colin Powell and other State Department personnel, and many other top officials:
Washington’s
Blog called Tice to find out more about what he saw when he was at NSA.
RUSSELL
TICE: We
now know that NSA was wiretapping [Senator] Frank Church and another Senator.
[That has been confirmed.]
And that
got out by
accident. All
the information the NSA had back then – and probably many other senators and
important people too, back in the 70s – they shredded and they destroyed all of that evidence. As much as
they could find, they destroyed it all. By accident, something popped up 40
years later.
And, in
fact, they were asked 40 years ago whether NSA had bugged Congress. And, of
course, they lied. They lied through their teeth.
NSA Has Hidden Its Most Radical Surveillance Operations …
Even from People Like Snowden Who Had General “Code Word” Clearance
WASHINGTON’S
BLOG: Glenn
Greenwald – supposedly, in the next couple of days or weeks – is going to
disclose, based on NSA documents leaked by Snowden, that the NSA is spying on
all sorts of normal Americans … and that the spying is really to crush
dissent. [Background here, here and here.]
Does
Snowden even have documents which contain the information
which you’ve seen?
RUSSELL
TICE: The
answer is no.
WASHINGTON’S
BLOG: So
you saw handwritten notes. And what Snowden was seeing were electronic files …?
RUSSELL
TICE: Think
of it this way. Remember I told you about the NSA doing everything they
could to make sure that the information from 40 years ago – from spying on
Frank Church and Lord knows how many other Congressman that they were spying on
– was hidden?
Now do
you think they’re going to put that information into Powerpoint slides that are
easy to explain to everybody what they’re doing?
They
would not even put their own NSA designators on the reports [so that no one would
know that] it came from the NSA. They made the reports look like they
were Humint (human intelligence) reports. They did it to hide the fact
that they were NSA and they were doing the collection. That’s 40 years ago. [The NSA and other agencies are still
doing "parallel
construction", "laundering" information to hide the fact that the information
is actually from mass NSA surveillance.]
Now,
what NSA is doing right now is
that they’re taking the information and they’re putting it in a much higher
security level. It’s called “ECI” - Exceptionally Controlled
Information – and it’s called the black program … which I was a
specialist in, by the way.
I
specialized in black
world –
DOD and IC (Intelligence Community) – programs, operations and missions … in
“VRKs”, “ECIs”, and “SAPs”, “STOs”. SAP equals Special Access
Program. It’s highly unlikely Mr. Snowden had any access to these.
STO equals Special Technical Operations It’s highly unlikely Mr. Snowden
had any access to these.
Now in
that world – the ECI/VRK world – everything in that system is classified at a
higher level and it has its own computer systems that house it.
It’s totally separate than the system which Mr. Snowden was
privy to, which was called the “JWICS”: Joint Worldwide Intelligence
Communications System. The JWICS system is what everybody at NSA has
access to. Mr Snowden had Sys Admin [systems administrator] authority for
the JWICS.
And you
still have to have TS/SCI clearance [i.e. Top Secret/ Sensitive
Compartmented Information - also known as “code word” -
clearance] to get on the JWICS. But the ECI/VRK systems are much higher [levels of special compartmentalized
clearance] than the JWICS. And you have to be in the black world to get
that [clearance].
ECI =
Exceptionally Controlled Information. I do not believe Mr. Snowden had any
access to these ECI controlled networks). VRK = Very Restricted
Knowledge. I do not believe Mr. Snowden had any access to these VRK controlled
networks.
These
programs typically have, at the least, a requirement of 100 year or until
death, ’till the person first being “read in” [i.e. sworn to secrecy as part of
access to the higher classification program] can talk about them. [As an
interesting sidenote, the Washington Times reported in 2006 that – when Tice offered to testify
to Congress about this illegal spying – he was informed by the NSA that the
Senate and House intelligence committees were not cleared to hear such information.]
It’s
very compartmentalized and – even with stuff that they had – you might have
something at NSA, that there’s literally 40 people at NSA that know that it’s going on in
the entire agency.
When the
stuff came out in the New York Times [the first big spying story, which broke in 2005] – and I was a source of information for the
New York Times – that’s when President Bush made up that nonsense
about the “terrorist surveillance program.” By the way, that never existed. That was made up.
There
was no such
thing beforehand.
It was made up … to try to placate the American people.
The NSA
IG (Inspector General) – who was not cleared for this – all of a sudden is told
he has to do an investigation on this; something he has no information or
knowledge of.
So what
they did, is they took a few documents
and they downgraded [he classification level of the documents] – just a few –
and gave them to them to placate this basic whitewash investigation.
Snowden’s Failure To Understand the Most Important Documents
RUSSELL
TICE: Now,
if Mr. Snowden were to find the crossover, it would be those documents that
were downgraded to the NSA’s IG.
The
stuff that I saw looked like a bunch of alphanumeric gobbledygook. Unless
you have an analyst to know what to look for – and believe me, I think that
what Snowden’s done is great – he’s not an intelligence analyst. So he would see something like that,
and he wouldn’t
know what
he’s looking at.
But that
would be “the jewels”. And the key is, you wouldn’t know it’s the jewels unless
you were a diamond miner and you knew what to look for. Because otherwise,
there’s a big lump of rock and you don’t know there’s a diamond in there.
I worked
special programs. And the way I found out is that I was working on a special
operation, and I needed information from NSA … from another unit. And when I
went to that unit and I said “I need this information”, and I dealt with
[satellite spy operations], and I did that in the black world. I was a
special operations officer. I would literally go do special missions that were
in the black world where I would travel overseas and do spooky stuff.
Cheney Was Running the Show
WASHINGTON’S
BLOG: You
said in one of your interviews that Dick Cheney ordered the intercepts that you
found in the burn bags [the bags of documents which were slated to be destroyed
because they were so sensitive].
Is that
right … and if so, how do you know that?
RUSSELL
TICE: I
did not know one way or the other until I talked to a very senior person at NSA
who – much later – wanted to have a meeting with me. And we had a covert,
clandestine style meeting. And that’s when this individual told me that the
whole thing was being directed and was coming from the vice president’s office
… Cheney, through his lawyer David Addington.
WASHINGTON’S
BLOG: It
sounds like it wasn’t going through normal routes? It’s not like Cheney
or Addington made formal requests to the NSA … through normal means?
RUSSELL
TICE: No,
not normal at all. All on the sly … all “sneaky pete” under the table, in the
evening when most NSA employees are gone for the day. This is all being done in
the evenings … between like 7 [at night] and midnight.
NSA Is Spying On CONTENT as Well as Metadata
WASHINGTON’S
BLOG: And
from what you and others have said, it’s content as well as metadata?
NSA Spying On Journalists, Congress, Admirals, Lawyers …
RUSSELL
TICE: In
2009, I told [reporters] that they were going after journalists and news
organizations and reporters and such.
I never
read text of Congressman’s conversations. What I had was information –
sometimes hand-written – of phone numbers of Congressmen, their wives,
their children, their staffers, their home numbers, their cellphone numbers,
their phone numbers of their residence back in Oregon or whatever state they’re
from, and their little offices back in their state.
Or
an Admiral and
his wife, and his kids and his staffers …
The main
thing I saw more than anything else were lawyers and law firms. I saw more lawyers or law firms being
wiretapped than anything else.
These
are the phone numbers I saw written. And then I would see those numbers
incorporated into those lists with the columns of information about the phone
number, and the serial number and the banks of recorders and digital converters
and the data storage devices. I could see handwritten phone numbers
and notes, sometimes with names, sometimes not.
Snowden and Greenwald’s Whistleblowing Was
Done In the Right Way
RUSSELL
TICE: If
Mr. Snowden would have had access to VRK, ECI, SAP, STO (and a few others that
I will not mention here), and he released them en masse to the press, I would volunteer to
shoot him as a traitor myself.
But this
is not what he did.
He gave
up JWICS info that he insisted be vetted for sources and methods, and true
damage to national security. Mr. Greenwald and company should be congratulated
on the restraint that they have shown with the JWICS documentation that they
have in hand via Mr. Snowden.
Postscript:
When Tice started blowing the whistle on NSA mass surveillance in the early
2000s, the NSA all of a sudden decided that Tice was “crazy”. As Tice told us:
For many years, I was the
only NSA whistleblower in public.And what they did is call me in – 9 months after my routine psychological evaluation – which I passed with flying colors, like every other one I’ve had in my entire career, passed with flying colors.
They called me in for an “emergency” psychological evaluation, and they declared me nuts.
I am a
fairly good judge of character, and I found Tice to be humorous,
self-deprecating in a healthy and light-hearted way, and consistent on the
facts. Tice talked about how he was a pretty darn good football player in
junior college, but no star athlete. He talked about how one reporter tried to
make him out to be James Bond with leading man looks, and he thought that was
ridiculous. We shared some normal “guy talk” about women. Tice has a little
anger at the way the NSA tried to whitewash the mass surveillance that he
uncovered (wouldn’t you be?), but he wasn’t enraged or over-the-top. Tice is
also a patriotic American, not a subversive. Specifically, we spent a long time
talking about the importance of the Constitution and the rule of law. In other
words, Tice seems “oriented to reality”, completely sane, normal, ethical and
bright to me.
And the
following facts are more important than my personal impression:
- Many
of Tice’s allegations have been confirmed by Snowden and other government whistleblowers.
And see this
- Soviet
leaders were famous for throwing dissidents into psychiatric wards.
Unfortunately, the same thing sometimes
happens in modern America
