Tidbits from Frank26 and KTFA Members Late Friday AM

Tidbits from Frank26 and KTFA Members Late Friday AM

10/3/2014

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Frank26:   Why is the USA bombing Syria?

PAPPA-J :On Bombing Syria------- END GAME SYRIAN GOV. UNDER ASSAD GONE!!!! THE REMOVAL OF THE THREAT TO ISRAEL FROM TERROR SPONSORED BY SYRIA VIA IRAN, QATAR !

BTW- HAS I TEAM GIVEN ANY WORD AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THE AIR CORRIDOR HAS BEEN CUT FROM IRAN?

Frank26:  No ITEAM report since Monday.   I will ask.

BTW ....... IMO You are like a leopard .......... Spot on.  KTFA,    Frank
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Moke:  SYRIA IS ONE OF 7. AGAIN, BY DESIGN...PTB/BANKSTER/CABAL, 12 FAMILYS. HAVE WELL OVER 90% OF THE WORLDS WEALTH,

NOW ITS ABOUT CONTROL, ON A GLOBAL SCALE. FOR THEM ITS DO OR DIE NOW. THERE PAST THE POINT OF NO RETURN.

THEY WILL PRESS ON WITH THERE 100 YEAR PLAN, [ACTUALLY MORE] UNTIL A DEVINE INTERVENTION.

1913 WAS THE 3 THIRD TIME THEY SET UP CAMP. HISTORY DOES REPEAT, AND THEY WILL FIND THERE WAY TO THE PITT.

SIDE NOTE, THERE TRILLIONS SPENT DOWN UNDER, [BUNKERS], MAY BE THAT PIT THEY NEVER LEAVE. AND FINALLY, GREED WILL PROVE TO BE THERE DOWN FALL. REMEMBER, KNOWLEDGE IS POWER.. ALSO VERY IMPORTANT...WALK SOFT AND CARRY A BIG STICK...

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w8tn4it2rv :The USA Just started bombing Syria for a Regime Change! Bashar al-Assad Goin Goin Gone!

Notice it didn't start until Maliki was removed. Thats because Maliki wouldn't allow the USA to initiate attacks from Iraq!

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Frank26:  Very Good Observation.......... TY.   KTFA,   Frank

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backdoc » October 2nd, 2014,   COULD IT BE THAT THE EMPIRE NEEDS TO BE IN CONTROL OF THE GAS PIPELINE THAT RUNS THROUGH AND IS CURRENTLY CONTROLLED BY RUSSIA ? DOC

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Robdel :Syria doesn't have a central bank, I think the PTBs want one in there!

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Frank26:   WOW .................... YES!!!

So much for my CC ................

KTFA,   Frank........ BRAVO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Donar5  :I find it interesting that U.S. is bombing oil refineries and Iraq has a lot of oil to be produced.

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Frank26:  Oooooooooooooo !!! .......... I ALSO like this one ....... TY.

KTFA,   Frank

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drdonar :  If you know where the pipelines run, especially nat gas, and where the future planned lines will run, you will know why we are bombing Syria...

if you don't succeed try try again....last year we tried but public support was not there for another war...behead a few Americans and Brits and the propaganda machine has done its job, carrying out the Hegelian dialectic.

Frank26:   Yup Yup Yup .............. KTFA,    Frank

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Frank26:I have to go but very happy to see Your thinking on Syria.

Guess who's coming to dinner?  Don't know but guess who's next after Iraq?

With this proposed by I remember what I also told You:

One can not start another war without paying for the first one.

Do You understand KTFA Family?

We ................ Started another war weeks ago.

God bless You all ........... Pure Aloha.........  

KTFA,  Frank

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Moneytalks1:  HI Frank,THe big question is when is the U.S.A. and the BIG Daddys (Who's Your Daddy) going to be paid?   Chow.   (and Us)

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Frank26:   Indeed .......... Now our KTFA Family knows why I asked them about Syria last night .......... As the bombing started ......... In the still of last night.

MANY things besides the USD loves it.......... IMO ........ I am looking forward to the Parliament returning next Thursday.

WATCH ONLY BAGHDAD ............. That is where the budget sits.

Not isis .... dash ..... CBI ..... Kurds ...... Not even the USA.......... WATCH ONLY BAGHDAD.

Follow the Tracers of every shot they are now taking. Getting Very Difficult for them to continue hiding in Secret.  KTFA,  Frank

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Tidbits from Frank26 and KTFA Members Late Friday AM

Tidbits from Frank26 and KTFA Members Late Friday AM

10/3/2014

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backdoc » October 3rd, 2014, 10:19 am   THE EMPIRE WILL NOW BEGIN TO DISMANTLE SYRIA !! THIS WILL ALLLOW THE EMPIRE CONTROL OF NAT GAS TO EUROPE.

IN ADDITION WE WILL ALSO GO TO WEST AFRICA SINCE NEW OIL GAS AND GOLD DISCOVERIES ARE BEING FOUND THERE!!!

OF COURSE, THE REASON WILL BE BECAUSE OF EBOLA VIRUS !!! WITH 3000 TROOPS, THATS A GOOD START. DOC

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US launches air strikes against Isil in Syria - live

11:00PM BST 23 Sep 2014 SNIPPET


17.28 UN Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon has issued a statement on the strikes. Phillip Sherwell has this:

Ban Ki-Moon appears to have just indicated that he will not be kicking up a fuss about the legal technicalities of the US-led bombing raids in Syria.

In comments at the UN climate summit in New York, he first noted that that all measures taken to combat the terrorist groups should be in accordance with the charter of the UN and international law.

But he also observed that while the strikes were not conducted at the request of the Damascus, the US informed the Syrians of their intention in advance.

And then the kicker. “I also note that strikes took place in areas no longer under effective control of that government,” he said, in his first comments on the bombings. “I think it’s undeniable that these extremist groups pose an immediate threat to international peace and security.”

He also said that "immediate actions" was needed to protect civilians from the "barbarity" of the groups operating in Syria, though "regretting" the loss of any innocent lives.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/11114991/US-launches-air-strikes-against-Isil-in-Syria-live.html

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Obama to Send 3,000 Troops to Liberia in Ebola Fight

VOA NewsLast updated on: September 17, 2014 7:43 AM

The United States is ready to take leadership for a global response to the deadly Ebola virus that is ravaging West Africa, President Barack Obama said Tuesday, as he announced plans to send thousands of U.S. troops to the region. (Click here to read President Obama's remarks on Ebola)

“Faced with this outbreak, the world is looking to us, the United States, and it’s a responsibility that we embrace, we are prepared to take leadership on this, to provide the type of capabilities that only America has and mobilize our resources in ways that only America can do,” he said.

The initiative, announced by Obama at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta, comes as the virus has infected more than 5,000 people in Guinea, Sierra Leone, Liberia, Nigeria and Senegal.

Plan details

Under the U.S. plan, 3,000 U.S. troops will be sent to a new command center in Liberia's capital, Monrovia, to help with the transportation of supplies and other personnel.

U.S. forces will construct 17 health care facilities of 100 beds each to isolate and treat victims. The U.S. mission will also set up a facility to train 500 health care workers per week.

“An already very weak public health system is near collapse in these (West African) countries. Patients are being turned away and people are literally dying in the streets,” Obama said. “Here’s the hard truth: in West Africa, Ebola is now an epidemic of the likes we have not seen before. It's spiraling out of control, it is getting worse, it’s spreading faster and exponentially.”

Outbreak could spread

4 Key Goals of US Ebola Strategy

Control the epidemic at its source in West Africa
Mitigate second-order impacts, including blunting the economic, social and political tolls in the region
Engage and coordinate with a broader global audience
Fortify global health security infrastructure in the region and beyond
Source: White House

The number of people infected could grow to tens or even hundreds of thousands, he warned, if the outbreak isn’t stopped now.

That would mean “profound political and economic and security implications for all of us,” he said. “This is an epidemic that is not just a threat to regional security, it’s a threat to global security if these countries break down, if their economics break down, if people panic. And that has a profound effect on all of us, even if we are not directly contracting the disease.”

Dr. Kent Brantly, an American doctor who survived Ebola, told a U.S. Senate hearing on Tuesday said there's no time to waste in ramping up the response to the epidemic in West Africa.

"We can't afford to wait months, or even weeks, to take action, to put people on the ground," Brantly said.

At a packed Senate hearing, the CDC's Dr. Beth Bell told senators the outbreak is "ferocious and spreading exponentially."

"If we do not act now to stop Ebola, we could be dealing with it for years to come," she warned.

In Liberia, the U.S. Agency for International Development — the government’s lead international aid agency — will also hand out protection kits and train people to protect themselves and their families. The effort will initially target the 400,000 most vulnerable households in Liberia, and then expand to cover the entire country and the region.

The World Health Organization has said it needs foreign medical teams with 500-600 experts as well as at least 10,000 local health workers.

So far Cuba and China have said they will send medical staff to Sierra Leone. Cuba will deploy 165 people in October.

China is sending a mobile laboratory with 59 staff to speed up testing for the disease. It already has 115 staff and a Chinese-funded hospital there.

Criticism of international efforts

The announcement also comes as medical aid agencies, development specialists and some African officials have grumbled that the Obama administration’s response has been inadequate, particularly given the potential for havoc in poor, post-conflict countries like Liberia and Sierra Leone.

The United States, in particular, drew criticism last week when it promised to set up a 25-bed field hospital in Liberia, the country hardest hit by the outbreak. Many thought the contribution was paltry, given that experts were saying Liberia needed at least 500 more treatment beds.

Liberia President Ellen Johnson Sirleaf last week appealed directly to the Obama administration for help, saying, "Without more direct help from your government, we will lose this battle against Ebola.”

"Only governments like yours have the resources and assets to deploy at the pace required to arrest the spread," Sirleaf wrote in her letter.

Ahead of Obama announcement, Joanne Liu, president of the aid group Médecins Sans Frontières, told a U.N. panel in Geneva that the international community’s response to date has been inadequate.

“Today, the response to Ebola continues to fall dangerously behind,” Liu said in prepared remarks.

“The window of opportunity to contain this outbreak is closing. We need more countries to stand up, we need greater deployment, and we need it now. This robust response must be coordinated, organized and executed under clear chain of command," she said.

UN Response

The U.N. Security Council, meanwhile, was scheduled to hold an emergency meeting on the crisis on Thursday. Diplomats said it will only be the second public health crisis discussed by the council, which discussed the AIDS pandemic in 2000.

"I don't need to tell any of you how unusual Security Council debates on public health issues and public health crises are,” U.S. Ambassador Samantha Power said, “but at this moment it is crucial that council members discuss the status of the epidemic, confer on a coordinated international response, and begin the process of marshaling our collective resources to stop the spread of the disease.”

In a recent interview with NBC, Obama said while Ebola does not pose an imminent threat to Americans, containing the outbreak is a top national security priority.

“Quite frankly, ladies and gentlemen, this health crisis we're facing is unparalleled in modern times,” WHO Assistant Director General Bruce Aylward told reporters in Geneva. “We don't know where the numbers are going on this.”

The ability of Liberia and Sierra Leone to continue their recovery after years of civil conflict, and deliver the necessities of daily life for their people is in danger, Under-Secretary General for Humanitarian Affairs Valerie Amos said.

“And, that is why we must act now, if we want to avoid greater humanitarian consequences in the future,” Amos said.

“First, we must prevent the complete collapse of health systems in the affected countries. Already, it is estimated that more people have died from secondary aspects. For example, malaria, tuberculosis or in childbirth or from chronic illnesses then have died from Ebola,” she said.

http://www.voanews.com/content/us-sending-troops-to-liberia-expanded-ebola-effort/2451118.html

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Brennan Burge, Read as soon as you can!--- Michael Blumenstock's Website---, A PLAN TO SAVE AMERICA !!

Brennan Burge, Below is Information of Michael Brumenstock's Website. He will be on the Call today at 1 PM. He has some Great ideas that he has been working on for over 10 years. I would  propose that you get permission for putting this on REPUBLIC's Website as a proposed agenda of what we want to do!-- That is what I was looking for, when I went to your Site!!! To start on his Site, I would recommend reading his 1st page then, "Active Citizen", to get his thoughts, then read ALL of them, as you have time.    Irvin Neargarder

 Hi, below is information from a friend of mine, Michael Blumenstock, from my area, he is from Greenville, Ohio. His Website is;   www.WIN4USA.org   When you Click on his Site, the , Home Page, comes up. I encourage you to take the time to read this page, & at the bottom of the page you can Click on the next item, & go through each one to the end. You will see the great Plan & vision he has for our Country. He needs help from other Groups trying to do the same for our Country, & from each of us.   Irvin Neargarder

EXOGEN UPDATE: FRIDAY INTEL, 3 OCT

Friday, October 3, 2014

EXOGEN UPDATE: FRIDAY INTEL, 3 OCT

VINMAN: Many snakes sneaking around still.

Secret meeting in progress.

Watching gold and silver in free fall...live right now.

GT:Morning Clues (Friday)....


LOTs OF SNAKES OUT THERE SNEAKING AROUND (The Snakes will ALWAYS BE AROUND....Get Used To It)!!!

Secret Meetings Are Happening Now(Hopefully Discussing the Release of This RV)

Gold & Silver Prices are the Indicator (Changing as we Speak)

ALOHA LESLIE: Lots of sneaking going around. Snakes in the Grass. Good ones or bad ones??? A deadly Eastern Mamba or a harmless garden snake?

Meetings behind closed doors.

Commodities in Free Fall! Dollar Index UPPPP to $86.72

This is all going on NOW!

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DiddyKong Thursday Night Chat at Jester's Place: Part 1

DiddyKong Thursday Night Chat at Jester's Place: Part 1

10/3/2014
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(  Note: We realize that many links on this post are incomplete or broken on these posts.....but thats how they came from the source...We apologize for the inconvenience! Dinar Recaps)
hunter35] DiddyKong Are you open to questions tonight?

[DiddyKong] There was a comment or recaps by KevinD53 which is absolutely excellent. It showed me that I needed to elaborate more on the China and gold discussion. Kevin, if you are in this room or see this message on recaps, please join into the convo. Your comment is some good stuff!

[DiddyKong] hunter35 I will be after I address Kevin's comment

[DiddyKong] This is what Kevin said everyone: According to the World Gold Council, China is only the fifth largest holder of Gold, well behind Italy, France, Germany and the US in that order.
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They hold 1/8 the amount the US does, with the remaining three combined holding roughly the same amount as the US. BTW, the US holdings of a little over 8,000 tons of gold is a little over a quarter of the total world wide holdings.

[DiddyKong] That leaves us to question, how could China possibly control the gold price if it doesn't hold so much gold.

[DiddyKong] Let's start with this article which I am sure is or had derived its information to what Kevin is refering to: Top 10 nations stockpiling gold - http://www.usatoday.com/

[DiddyKong] " 5. China The world's second-largest economy holds 1,054.1 tonnes of gold, which represents only 1.1% of its reserves. However, this underestimates China's true holdings. The People's Bank of China has not formally disclosed any changes to its gold holdings in years, and it's widely believed that the central bank is purchasing gold to diversify its reserve holdings."

[DiddyKong] The keyword here is "underestimates", why?.... I will elaborate.

[DiddyKong] China spurns gold, adding to price woes (Sept 28, 2014) -http://www.mining.com/

[DiddyKong] "The country's gold reserves are officially put at 1,054 tonnes — a number officials haven't updated since 2009."

[DiddyKong] Since 2009 mind you lol!

[DiddyKong] lets look at the China gold plan according to Song Xin, General Manager of the China National Gold Group Corporation, Party Secretary and President of the China Gold Association

[DiddyKong] (Song Xin) is the name lol

[DiddyKong] Gold Will Support Renminbi As It Moves To Join World (May 6, 2014) - http://www.mineweb.com/

[DiddyKong] "For China, the strategic mission of gold lies in the support of RMB internationalization, and so let China become a world economic power and make sure that the "China Dream" is realized. It's both a very 'honest' asset and forms the very material basis for modern fiat currencies"

[DiddyKong] And there is more from that same website, "China should aim for 8,500t gold reserve - China Gold president"

DiddyKong] "China should accumulate 8,500 tonnes in official gold reserves, more than the US, according to Song Xin, President of the China Gold Association, General Manager of the China National Gold Group Corporation and Party Secretary. He wrote this in an opinion editorial published on Sina Finance July 30, 2014."

[DiddyKong] " Gold is moneypar excellence in all circumstances and will help support the renminbi to become an international currency as "gold forms the very material basis for modern fiat currencies", Song notes. In the short term the Chinese will not back the renminbi with gold (establish a fixed renminbi price for gold), but support the renminbi with an appropriate amount of gold in reserve to allot credibility and manage its value."

[DiddyKong] The question then becomes, if China is not stockpiling gold in its reserves, then how can it "instantly" (in a sense) acquire more gold in its reserves than the U.S....

[DiddyKong] this is how...

[DiddyKong] "China Expected To Announce It Has More Than Doubled Its Gold Reserves", Shanghai Daily - http://www.zerohedge.com

[DiddyKong] "The topic of China's below the radar accumulation of gold is nothing new: first revealed here in September 2011 as part of a Wikileaks intercept, watchers of Chinese gold imports have been stunned by the ravenous pace with which Chinese customers have been gobbling up both domestic and foreign gold production month after month."

[DiddyKong] "One needs merely to glance at the net imports of gold just through Hong Kong to get a sense of just how much gold has flowed into the country which has now surpassed India as the largest buyer of gold."

[DiddyKong] Bum bum bum....... HONG KONG! Does everyone see that connection with running gold through Hong Kong with the protest that are happening today?!

[DiddyKong] The people of China (Asia to be more general) understand the importance and value of gold for a stable economy. And I have one more item to post...

[DiddyKong] China allows gold imports via Beijing, sources say, amid reserves buying talk - http://www.reuters.com/

[DiddyKong] "China has begun allowing gold imports through its capital Beijing, sources familiar with the matter said, in a move that would help keep purchases by the world's top bullion buyer discreet at a time when it might be boosting official reserves."

[DiddyKong] Key word is here, "discreet".

[DiddyKong] What do we know of bullion dealers? They have vaults with vast amount of space for storing gold. How much gold do they have? Who knows, but if and when China chooses to, they can purchase that gold from its dealers and add it to reserves. DING DING DING

[DiddyKong] So you will not see China importing gold and adding it to its reserves when the gold is already sitting there HAHAHAHA

[DiddyKong] Last point from the same article, "rumours on the People's Bank of China's (PBOC) gold reserves range from 3,000 tonnes to 5,000 tonnes."

[DiddyKong] Just follow the money, real money. So just follow the movement of gold. Not just what government officials are doing, else, you miss what is going on behind the curtains on the activities of a nations businesses and its people.

[DiddyKong] And that brings us back to why it is important for the bills to be passed as laws in the U.S. to remove taxes from gold and silver purchases... in hopes that people safeguard there wealth AND a shift towards legalizing the use of gold and silver as tender

[DiddyKong] Let's get with it America

[DiddyKong] Thats all I have. Let's open the floor for questions and comments.

[hunter35] DiddyKong China does not want the world to know how much gold they really have. Is this the payback from WWII

[DiddyKong] hunter35 no. And that is another great question. I will address it.

[Betsy Ross] DiddyKong Do you remember Jester saying that the US no longer has any more gold not too long ago?

[Betsy Ross] DiddyKong I brought that up because it conflicts with what you posted above.

[lulu] Diddy kong I would like to see the proof that America has 8000 tons of gold that belong to them when they won't even show Germany their gold that they are supposedly holding for them

[DiddyKong] lulu exactly. If you choose to believe that China does not have that much gold, then you must also believe that the US holds some 8,000+ tonnes of gold lol

Part 2

DiddyKong] I do not know if any of you caught this while it was live early this morning, but here is a recording 'RUSSIA CALLING!' Putin's full speech, Q&A at key investor forum - https://www.youtube.com/ ••• GKuLugmE   (sorry- link is broken)

[Betsy Ross] DiddyKong saw it but did not listen due to timing

[DiddyKong] It is pretty lengthy, put the most important point I picked up from it was that (and paraphrasing) that Russia and China (BRICS for that matter) does not want to limit or restrict the foreign businesses and trade partner relationships. This is important as it allows us to understand that they want as much of its trading partners to get on par with BRICS economic fundamentals
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DiddyKong] If China was to announce, today, how much gold it has in reserves and take control of gold price setting, it would mean an alarming economic instability for nations who do not share the same gold fundamentals as China.

[DiddyKong] Meaning that if you do not have so much of a percentage of reserves in gold, you have better have some other kind of worth while asset (like oil) to back up the wealth of your nation.

[DiddyKong] Betsy Ross I remember that. The US and other western nations could very well not have, or not so much of, gold in its reserves. And there is a shift to get gold in reserves like the Swizz for 20% of reserves in gold like I mentioned before. That is the connection.

[Betsy Ross] DiddyKong ok

[lulu] Diddy Kong China also mines gold and it goes to the country which is another reason no one knows how much gold they really have

[DiddyKong] lulu another excellent point. Analysis tries to determine how much gold China imports. Mining gold in country is total different and gets ignored lol

[DiddyKong] The Swizz referendums to get gold to be 20% of its reserves (in house) and gold as legal tender as it would mean to the signal for nations to start preparing. That, IMMHO, is the GCR

[Betsy Ross] DiddyKong so by saying the US has no gold means none in reserves, is that what you are saying?

[DiddyKong] Betsy Ross Correct. Mind you, this is the FED's not having gold in reserves. This does not include the US banks and people as they make a push to remove taxes from gold and silver and legal tender.

[lulu] It's like a big poker game someone needs to call the Feds bluff

[DiddyKong] I would assume that is why COMEX has its restrictions on how much paper can be used to claim actual physical gold. Shanghai on the other hand is all physical gold. And thats the shift of power to then control the price

[DiddyKong] lulu The bluff has been called. That is why I say we now wait for China to reveal its hand

[DiddyKong] China lays its cards on the table, then the Fed will fold

[Betsy Ross] DiddyKong ok

[Betsy Ross] DiddyKong so that does not mean that the US Treasury may not have some. Hmmm

[DiddyKong] But BRICS wants to be sure that everyone else is ready for it to show its hand. Because let's face it, trade today is interconnected

[TxBikerLady] DiddyKong are you familiar with Jim Rickards Project Prophecy - this goes along with the current topic

[DiddyKong] Betsy Ross That is an interesting question, and I would have to further research that to deliver an answer

[Betsy Ross] DiddyKong Thanks

[DiddyKong] TxBikerLady Not exactly. I do follow some of his work. Could you explain it more?

[lulu] I read in an article that I posted last week that the dragon family was supposed to have their gold returned to them on Sept 12, 2001 the day after 9/11. 2.3 trillion is announced missing on the 10th , 9/11 happens and all the gold supposedly under the twin towers goes missing I highly doubt America has any gold. This after they gave China a tungsten filled gold bars

[DiddyKong] lulu lol and that is (er was) a conspiracy that is proven to be more true as time progresses

[TxBikerLady] DiddyKong here is a link to an interview to watch some other time. CIA INSIDER LEAKS EVIDENCE OF CHINA GOLD “SMUGGLING” He is CIA’s Financial Threat and Asymmetric Warfare Advisor http://moneymorningtv.com

[DiddyKong] TxBikerLady thanks Im listening

[TxBikerLady] DiddyKong http://www.kereport.com/

[TxBikerLady] DiddyKong I just stumbled on this tonight. it is un-vetted, but has my attention

[DiddyKong] TxBikerLady lol that supports the statement from the article I just posted "China allows gold imports via Beijing, sources say, amid reserves buying talk" - http://www.reuters.com/a ••• 20140420

[DiddyKong] "Rumours on PBOC's gold reserves range from 3,000 tonnes to 5,000 tonnes."

[TxBikerLady] DiddyKong yeppers lol Jim Rickards has a book, The Death of Money too

[DiddyKong] TxBikerLady I wish he titled it "The Death of the Petrodollar"

[TxBikerLady] DiddyKong Ha...that is one of his points in his message

[hunter35] lulu lulu That was the gold from WWII

[TxBikerLady] TxBikerLady Money vs Currency

[DiddyKong] TxBikerLady yea, but I understand why he titled it "The Death of Money". People tend to understand paper as being the only form of money

[[hunter35] DiddyKong So was the China's gold from WWII really stored under the Twin Towers??

[DiddyKong] hunter35 That is the assumption. And supposedly, China got it back

[hunter35] DiddyKong Hmmm When did they get it back

[TxBikerLady] DiddyKong it was on the missing Malaysian plane lol just kidding

[Betsy Ross] DiddyKong really? Hmmm

[DiddyKong] hunter35 afterward and during the article TxBikerLady postedhttp://www.kereport.com/ ••• sting-2/

[lulu] DiddyKong did you read financial Tyranny by David Wilcock?

[DiddyKong] lulu no I haven't. Care to elaborate?

[DiddyKong] lulu can you provide a brief summary?

[DiddyKong] The worrying part of Jim Rickards prophecy goes hand in hand with what I was talking about with gold and silver as legal tender. If China makes its move before US banks are ready with gold and silver in reserves and accounts backed by gold and silver, then it could mean bad news for Americans. That would be when you would see a major correction of stock values and everything else as he mentions in the video

[DiddyKong] But as I understand it, it is not the intentions of BRICS to put everyone in a economic crisis. And that makes sense....
[lulu] Ok DK I know it's not completely accurate but his life was threatened for this article http://divinecosmos.com/ ••• -tyranny

[TxBikerLady] DiddyKong true...I took the interview with a grain of salt,,so to speak. He is CIA after all. But, the message was similar, a different spin at eh end result perhaps. I still like to hear the 'other' side. I don't believe he speaks of BRICS. Like I mentioned, just ran across it tonight.

[lulu] DK it's about all the gold moved to the US for safety during the war and the problems all the countries have had trying to get theirs back

[DiddyKong] TxBikerLady I will say that what he speaks of is an extreme scenario with regards that no one else has prepared with gold in reserves

[DiddyKong] lulu yup, which begs the question if the FED has any gold at all

[TxBikerLady] DiddyKong agreed, the very hard plan b lol

[lulu] I liked the article because it names the crooks lol

[DiddyKong] TxBikerLady yea lol. And it does not make any sense to crush the finances of your customers just to make your business rich. Without customers, your business will eventually fold as well

[TxBikerLady] DiddyKong good point

[DiddyKong] Thats why China will not make a move until ready. Which is also why when ppl say "GCR to happen on this and this date" it makes absolutely no sense lol

[DiddyKong] and that is what the situation is. I would assume that China, and BRICS for that matter, how guage who (or a certain percentage) of its trade partners they need to be ready. The bigger picture is understand who all the players are, what they have to offer.

[DiddyKong] So, it is 67%, 83%, or 93% (examples) of the people of various nations that need to be ready for China to pull the lever or what? Like how could ppl know that answer lol

[Goose] DiddyKong that's kinda good news thanks

[DiddyKong] For example, 78% of Americans and institutions are prepared with gold and silver (check in the box), 56% of the Swizz are prepared (we need 80% to check that one off the list), etc. etc..... once everything checks off the list, then BOOM.

[DiddyKong] But at the same time, there are events that occur that could either hinder the process of nations getting ready or nations that were once ready fall in the "not ready" status. Thats the fluidity of it all

[DiddyKong] So some glitch in the system or pings in the background is non sense. Plain and simple, THINGS ARE NOT READY BUT ARE GETTING THERE!

[BocaLinda] Diddykong do you have a guesstimation?

[TxBikerLady] The exciting thing is we are able to watch it happening and can tell if it one step forward or not now.

[DiddyKong] BocaLinda I wish I could. Why I can't is because I have not seen a signal from BRICS to: 1. Announce dumping of the dollar. 2. Announce official reserves of gold. 3. Provide a time frame or date for BRICS to take over gold pricing. 4. Provide a time frame or date to reach a certain target of gold reserves to be more than the U.S.
many of these announcements won't be of a plan, it would be an announcement of "the time is now" then everything changes over nite

[lulu] I think if the US has so much gold they had better start showing it. London has it lets face it
many of these announcements won't be of a plan, it would be an announcement of "the time is now" then everything changes over nite

[DiddyKong] You won't get a warning of the moment for things to change, but we understand that things will change at some point in time, and it would be best for us to prepare for when that moment comes.

[DiddyKong] And that is not a BS answer because I am not some guy "in the know". That is just truth.

[DiddyKong] It would be like trying to predict the BIG ONE to hit Cali lol

[TxBikerLady] DiddyKong I'm not sure how to look into that

[lulu] And even if the US did have it it is sold so many times over in paper certificates it is worthless

[TxBikerLady] DiddyKong were you able to look into if the BRICS New Development Bank plays a significant par

[DiddyKong] TxBikerLady it does. You can think of it like the IMF supposedly that won't blackmail you for not owing on debts due to some malicious event that was manufactured from keeping you of doing so lol

[TxBikerLady] DiddyKong it opens in 2016

[DiddyKong] lulu that is an interesting point! It works just like fractional reserve banking, in respect to that there are so many claims to any number of ounces in gold that owners actually own a percentage. For example, a 1 ounce gold certificate could be so 100's of times to where any one person would have ownership of only a very, very, very, very, very......... (two week later).... very, very small percentage lol

[TxBikerLady] A gold certificate in general is a certificate of ownership that gold owners hold instead of storing the actual gold. It has both a historic meaning as a U.S. paper currency (1863–1933) and a current meaning as a way to invest in gold. Banks may issue gold certificates for gold that is allocated (non-fungible) or unallocated (fungible or pooled). Unallocated gold certificates are a form of fractional reserve banking and do not guarantee an equal exchange for metal in the event of a run on the issuing bank'

[lulu] DK and let's say everyone who owned a certificate decided to cash in? What would happen

[DiddyKong] TxBikerLady yes, thank you for the definition. And the theory behind it (which seems more like fact now) is that there are more certs. issued than actually physical gold available.

[TxBikerLady] DiddyKong yes!

[DiddyKong] That is why the Shanghai gold exchange is so economically and fundamentally ground shaking to the COMEX infrastructure

[DiddyKong] So that is pretty much all I have for today. Wanted to elaborate on how China could quickly acquire much more gold than the U.S. despite the official numbers of gold reserves that was released in 2009.

[BocaLinda] Diddykong. Thank you so much for all the valuable info!!!

[DiddyKong] which is quite comical when you look at it all lol

[Betsy Ross] DiddyKong Another great educational night.

[TxBikerLady] lulu ah... They have reported on a massive discrepancy in China’s official gold consumption data for 2013: a 500-ton “gap” between production/imports and demand. These publications pointed to this as evidence that the People’s Bank of China is buying gold secretly… and then lying about it. Rickards explained the reason China has been going to such great lengths to conceal this operation. “Gold is relatively cheap right now. China would like to keep it this way until they reach the finish line.”

[DiddyKong] Like seriously, who would think of using bullion dealers and the people to hoard the gold until it is ready to acquire the gold in its reserves. Absolute genius and a great example of delegation. Let the bullion dealers worry about stocking its vaults with gold and that gives China the freedom to develop of things

[TxBikerLady] “The minute they pull back the curtain, you are looking at gold shooting well past $2,000 an ounce. The ceiling could be astronomical. Of course this will rock the global stock markets and crush the U.S. dollar. So they have to time their moves just right.” Rickards predicts China will wait until early 2015 to leak their true gold reserves. And when they do, it will likely be a surprise announcement. China has done this before, most recently in 2009, when the People’s Bank revealed overnight that its gold r

[DiddyKong] TxBikerLady DING DING DING, another excellent point

[TxBikerLady] DiddyKong There's that Rickards guy again...No rate or date dude!

[lulu] Txbikerlady the article I posted last week talked linked the Richards video as well as an overview of the video interview it was most excellent and I learned a few things

[DiddyKong] Like I said, hold off on announcing how much gold you have and how much you are actually purchasing as to not create any turbulance until ready to do so

[DiddyKong] Where we fit in all this is to help educate ppl about why this has happened (when it happens) by taking off their tin foil hats and turn their attention to the Fed

[ [TxBikerLady] DiddyKong exactly

[TxBikerLady] DiddyKong Thank you so very much for coming in and bring us this stuff to open our minds

[DiddyKong] lulu TxBikerLady and everyone else, I am glad ya'll can put these things together. There is a lot to it, but it is pretty comprehensive once you understand what to look out for.

[lulu] DK what is China's rank as a gold producer knowing that we are not fully in the know

[DiddyKong] lulu BAH, I would have to look that one up lol.

[lulu] Me too I was hoping you would have it off the top of your head lol

[DiddyKong] lulu number 1 it appears. http://en.wikipedia.org/ ••• oduction

[lulu] DK wow ! And they haven't announced since 2009 and buying like crazy I buying some yuan

[DiddyKong] Here is an important chart to analyze http://en.wikipedia.org/••• cers.png

[DiddyKong] Regardless how much China has in reserves, how much do we really think the country as a whole has? HAHAHAHA

[Aunt B] DK Thank you for bringing all this informative info in here to us! Do you think this will start a Gold Rush?

[BocaLinda] Diddykong. Right. Those peeps have been buying every bracelet necklace and earrings they could get their hands on lol

[Jester] DiddyKong I AM NOT SURE WHY EVERYONE KEEPS ASKING LIKE THAT QUESTION LIKE WE'D KNOW WHAT IT MEANS IF WE ACTUALLY DID HAVE THE ANSWER... HAHAHAHAHAHA

[DiddyKong] Aunt B if it hasn't already lol it sure will once the prices start rising

[lulu] DK I know China has been encouraging their people to buy gold

[DiddyKong] lulu and that is an excellent point. Our government and MSM tell us, gold is a bad "investment" and "gold is not money" when it is the opposite for the ppl in Asia. We shall see HAHAHAHAHA

[Jester] ACTUALLY I DID FIND A CONTACT THAT TOLD ME THEY HAVE 5243.738462831 TONNES... NOW... HOW DOES THAT HELP? HAHAHAHAHAH

[Jester] THERE IS NO FRAME OF REFERENCE... IT MEANS NOTHING...

[SoldierofChrist] Jester DiddyKong should we be buying gold?

[SoldierofChrist] Jester and from where

[Jester] IN ADDITION TO THE FACT THAT I MADE IT UP.... HAHAHAHAH

[DiddyKong] Jester Well, with that a mind and considering U.S. has none, the number 2 holder would be Germany. "Germany holds 3,387.1 tonnes of gold, which represents 67.1% of reserves." http://www.usatoday.com/ ••• 6709493/ so it proves again, no time frame. Just wait for it to happen lol

[lulu] DK I saw nancy grace and friends making ridiculing a man whose family found his stash of gold and silver coins worth over 2 million dollars calling him a hoarder

[Jester] PEOPLE WILL BUY ANYTHING... HAHAHAH

[DiddyKong] lulu hope he continues to hold

[Jester] DiddyKong EXACTLY MY POINT... MEANS NOTHING TO US... DOES NOT GIVE US ANY CLUE AT ALL....

[BocaLinda] Jester you're supposed to tell us the truth oops

[Jester] BocaLinda I DID... I TOLD YOU I MADE IT UP TO PROVE A POINT...

[lulu] DK no he died his family found it which made the event even more repulsive

[SoldierofChrist] Jester hahaha good point

[DiddyKong] lulu bet they sold it like some mindless sheeple people. Oh well lol

[Jester] lulu WELL I HAVE HEARD A LOT OF SCENARIOS.... AND MOST OF THEM INCLUDE THE FACT THAT IT IS NO LONGER AROUND....

[Jester] I DO THINK THEY DID SOMETHING... RIGHT WRONG OR INDIFFERENT... MAYBE SINCE THEY DID NOT NEED IT TO BACK THE CURRENCY THEY USED IT TO LEVERAGE SOME DEBT ALONG THE WAY.... THINKING THEY WOULD PAY IT BACK LATER OR SOMETHING... WHO KNOWS....

[Jester] I HATE THIS DANG LAPTOP KEYBOARD... AND AS YOU CAN SEE IT HATES ME BACK... SORRY....

[oxglove] Good article worth a read although it is about a year old the surce is one we all recognize; "Gold Will Get The Last Laugh On Central Banks",http://www.forbes.com/si ••• l-banks/

[SoldierofChrist] Jester i havent been on recaps in a while and today someone claimed that the dollar will be more powerful than ever lol I dont think that guru has been watching the news

[Jester] SoldierofChrist WELL... I WOULD SAY THAT CONFIRMATION BIAS HAS A STRONG HOLD ON THAT INDIVIDUAL...

DiddyKong] SoldierofChrist it could be be, depends on the mechanism to support the dollar, or a new form of the dollar (TRN) by backing it up with actual assets (agriculture, oil, gold). But I doubt that guru had this in mind when he/she made that statement. Probably was refering to paying debts off using the dinar once it RV'd lol

***** LINKS *****

List of Countries By Gold Production 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_gold_production
Top 5 Gold Producers Chart   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_gold_production#mediaviewer/File:Top_5_Gold_Producers.png

Top 10 Nations Stockpiling Gold 
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2014/03/22/wall-st-cheat-sheet-nations-gold/6709493/
Gold Will Get The Last Laugh on Central Banks   http://www.forbes.com/sites/greatspeculations/2013/04/17/gold-will-get-the-last-laugh-on-central-banks/

http://www.dinarrecaps.com/our-blog/diddykong-thursday-night-chat-at-jesters-place-part-2

CIA economist reveals government’s “Day After Plan” (warns collapse is imminent)

Dear Concerned American, Mount Weather is a national security stronghold located near the Blue Ridge Mountains. Its maze of underground bunkers is known as "Area B." My colleagues have given Mount Weather the code name "High Point Special Facility." You can view footage of it below. (Click here if you can't see it) This is where Congressional leadership was transported after 9/11. Below is footage of the Pentagon's Raven Rock Mountain stronghold. It is located not far from Camp David. The primary command facility here is codenamed "Site R," and nicknamed "The Rock." I'm sharing this with you now, because my colleagues and I in the U.S. Intelligence Community have uncovered a series of alarming signals that point to a fast-approaching, 70% stock market crash. And we have begun to prepare for an unstoppable $100 trillion American meltdown that will be unleashed in its aftermath. Unfortunately, our government has already put emergency measures in play for this coming catastrophe as well. They call it "The Day After Plan." And these two locations, at Mount Weather and Raven Rock, have major roles to play ahead. I'm not asking you to believe me now. I realize what I'm talking about is very serious. Which is why I strongly suggest you take a few moments to view this evidence. And then ask yourself, "what if I'm right?" Click here to continue... Stay Safe, ​ Jim Rickards Financial Threat and Asymmetric Warfare Advisor CIA & The Director of National Intelligence

Global Reset in a Dream...with a date!

The Rumor Mill News Reading Room 

Global Reset in a Dream...with a date!

Posted By: NationalDreamCenter [Send E-Mail]
Date: Friday, 3-Oct-2014 10:08:59

Remember before proceeding that dreams in and of themselves have some (just some) predictive power. However, when combined with DreamBot linguistics, holy cow. Well, we SORT OF have an overlap developing. This is only preliminary at the moment, but the dream itself looks VERY compelling. What's more...the dream was submitted just this morning, and it came from a dreamer who incubated for October 7 and 8, 2014. Folks, that's less than 1 week away! Please take the date with a grain of salt for now, but the dream is definitely worth your time... http://www.nationaldreamcenter.com/dreamdb/dreambase_2_0/2667_Global_reset The linguistics half of this equation can be found and followed here (starting to be a lengthy conversation)...

http://nationaldreamcenter.com/forum18/showthread.php?tid=65

Petitioning United States Department of Justice Provide the United States citizens facts on the revaluation of the Iraqi Dinar.

https://www.change.org/p/president-of-the-united-states-and-united-states-department-of-justice-provide-the-united-states-citizens-facts-on-the-revaluation-of-the-iraqi-dinar

China Strikes Back By Orville Schell

China Strikes Back  By Orville Schell

10/2/2014

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China Strikes Back!  By  Orville Schell
From The New York Book Review
October 23, 2014 Issue

Chuck Fishman/Contact Press Image

Deng Xiaoping and Jimmy Carter at the White House with their wives after a gala at the Kennedy Center that was held in Deng’s honor, January 1979

When Deng Xiaoping arrived at Andrews Air Force Base outside Washington in January 1979, his country was just emerging from a long revolutionary deep freeze.

No one knew much about this five-foot-tall Chinese leader. He had suddenly reappeared on the scene after twice being cashiered by Mao, who famously described him as “a needle inside a ball of cotton.”

But in 1979 he knew exactly what he wanted: better relations with the US. He and President Jimmy Carter appeared to be serious about resolving differences.

 While reporting on these meetings, I had the impression that they were aware they were appearing in a kind of buddy film, and were using the opportunity to suggest clearly that they were ready to cooperate.

“Today we take another step in the historic normalization of relations which we have begun this year,” Carter said in welcoming Deng at a state dinner in the White House.

We share in the hope which springs from reconciliation and the anticipation of a common journey…. Let us pledge together that both the United States and China will exhibit the understanding, patience, and persistence which will be needed in order for our new relationship to survive.

They then took off for Atlanta, Houston, and Seattle, with the most unforgettable moment occurring in Simonton, Texas. Deng was attending a rodeo when a cowgirl galloped up on horseback to his front-row arena seat to present him with a ten-gallon Stetson hat.

When he clapped this symbol of Americana on his diminutive head, it almost came down over his eyes. But he accomplished his goal: demonstrating to people in both countries—it was China’s first live broadcast from abroad—that bygones were bygones and it was time start anew.

Even now photos of these events from over three decades ago radiate camaraderie and a sense of leaders putting suspicion aside and trusting one another enough to allow for new ways of interacting.

Their efforts, however, led only to a partial transformation of the relationship. One thing “normalization” did not, and could not, change was China’s Leninist form of one-party government.

And since our two political and value systems remained opposed, an enormous block of contention continued to exist between us. What allowed some sense of fraternity to arise anyway was that Deng and Carter were able to imagine (in their different ways) that the two countries and societies might still slowly find more grounds for cooperation.

While China never had a truly democratic government under the leadership of Sun Yat-sen, Chiang Kai-shek, and then Hu Yaobang, Zhao Ziyang, and Deng Xiaoping, the world’s democracies were able to entertain vague hopes that as long as the door was open—and perhaps with some assistance from open markets, academic exchanges, American philanthropy, etc.—China might yet gradually become more democratic.

The prescience of such dreams seemed only confirmed when the Berlin Wall fell and the Soviet bloc collapsed. But even as these dramatic events gratified the West, they shocked and terrified Chinese Party leaders.

They were hardly thrilled when President Bill Clinton, speaking of the 1989 events in Tiananmen Square while on a trip to China in 1997, rather sanctimoniously chastised China for being “on the wrong side of history.” At that point Jiang Zemin, then Party general secretary, had little choice but to listen.

However, it turned out that history was not quite as obligingly Western as Clinton had assumed. Although it was not yet obvious, the dream of a more democratic China had already been grievously impaired in 1989 when the Tiananmen massacre created a never-again mentality within the Party.

By the time Xi Jinping became president and Party secretary in 2013, a virtual coup de grâce had been delivered to both Western and Chinese hopes for structural political reform.

The Party’s new message was, in effect: “Because China emphatically rejects all Western forms of democratic governance as unworkable, Americans should forget their missionary-like dreams of bringing elections, human rights, and democracy to China.

What you see now is what you’re going to get! Changes are not wanted.”

At a meeting between presidents Barack Obama and Xi Jinping held at the Annenberg estate in California, known as Sunnylands, in June 2013, Xi suggested trying to recapture some of the old Carter–Deng magic when he expressed a desire to see the two countries form a “new kind of big power relationship” (xinxing daguo guanxi).

He implied that each country should accept the other as it is. The idea never really caught on.

But this September, here was Jimmy Carter, the man who had helped set the US–China relationship in motion, back in Beijing. Was it not a good opportunity to pick up the old theme of mutual respect and jointly explore new steps forward just before Obama himself visits China in November?

Who better than Carter to help improve a relationship now burdened by recent disputes, tensions, and distrust, and arrive at a “new kind” of interaction?

I accepted an invitation to go along on a part of Carter’s recent trip. Of course, since 1979 enormous progress has been made both in China’s development and in institutionalizing bilateral relations with the US.

But just as striking is how much suspicion over motives and intentions still remains. Indeed, one could only conclude that the two countries have recently been moving further apart, which became evident even before Carter arrived in Beijing. Why?

Carter first came to China in 1949 as a young naval officer aboard a US submarine visiting Qingdao and Shanghai only months before the People’s Republic of China was established.

Three decades later, on December 15, 1978, after a long and extremely difficult set of secret negotiations, he startled the world by announcing that the US and China would reestablish normal diplomatic relations.

Despite substantial congressional opposition—Senator Barry Goldwater accused him of “lying, thumbing his nose at the Congress, and selling out Taiwan”—six weeks later Deng Xiaoping was at the White House.

When Carter arrived back in Beijing this September to celebrate the thirty-fifth anniversary of “normalized relations,” his first stop was the People’s University. I imagined this as another opportunity not only to celebrate Carter’s role in US–China relations, but also for him to express his own views on events since then and meet with students.

Instead, we found ourselves thrust into the middle of a forum on global finance run by the university, one more of the endless business conferences now proliferating in China, because the subject is safe.

Only after forgettable addresses by the university president and a former UN trade and investment specialist from Argentina was Carter able to present a short talk, followed by a single question addressed directly to him.

It turned out that Carter had been paid a fee, making this just one more stop in his tireless global effort to keep the Carter Center funded. Watching this former US president treated so offhandedly highlighted how the power relationship between the two countries is shifting: it is now not only the West that has wealth.

Indeed, China is expected to soon surpass the US in GDP.

But there were numerous other ways in which this tectonic shift in US–China relations revealed itself. Although Carter had met four times before with Xi Jinping, on this visit he met neither with him nor with Premier Li Keqiang, which seemed odd, because if they really do want better US–China relations, why ignore the man who had once done so much to improve them?

The Chinese, moreover, had unceremoniously banned one invited member of Carter’s delegation from speaking at a forum in the Great Hall of the People. Carter himself soon learned that the various official hosting organizations around the country had canceled or reorganized several events set for Shanghai and Qingdao.

And a Carter Center meeting for its Young American and Chinese Scholars Forum on US–China Relations program was moved off the Jiaotong University campus at Xian and into a hotel.

Why such changes, which undermined the goals of the trip, were allowed to happen went unexplained to the Carter delegation or the press. Perhaps the anticorruption campaign now underway in China had rattled organizers.

Or maybe awareness of Carter’s long-standing commitment to international human rights and democracy made officials fear some kind of untoward incident.

In any event, in China it is always difficult for foreigners to remonstrate. As every foreign embassy, corporation, university, NGO, and media outlet there knows, foreigners are expected to accept whatever is dished out. Too much complaining only gets contracts, visas, programs, agreements, and exchanges delayed or canceled.

The high point of Carter’s trip was to be a banquet in the Great Hall of the People, a cavernous, tomb-like edifice thrown up by “the people” in ten months during the Great Leap Forward in 1959 when some 30–40 million Chinese were beginning to starve to death.

It is one of the principal monuments in Mao’s expansion of Tiananmen Square. Its vast salons (one enormous room for every province in China), all decorated with epic-sized landscape paintings, are calculated to awe and overwhelm. But the dinner for Carter was disappointingly flat.

It was hosted by Vice President Li Yuanchao, who gave a short speech that had none of the actively friendly tone that characterized meetings thirty-five years before.

As we ate amid a sea of half-empty tables, a Chinese professor whispered to me that President Xi just days earlier had met with Zimbabwean president and international pariah Robert Mugabe (calling him “an old friend of the Chinese people whom we respect very much,” with whom China “stood shoulder to shoulder against imperialism, colonialism, and hegemony”).

He went on to say that Xi was actually in the Great Hall of the People toasting Malaysian Supreme Head of State Abdul Halim Mu’adzam Shah at the very moment of our dinner. But Xi didn’t stop by the Carter dinner to say a word.

None of the six Chinese newspapers I thumbed through the next day ran stories about the banquet or the visit. Only the English-language China Daily, widely read by American expats, said anything about it, publishing a photo not of Carter but of student performers at the banquet, followed by a short article inside headlined: “Turkey Feast Honors China–US Relations.”

Fortunately, the next night there was a very pleasant dinner sponsored by Caijing Magazine and also Deng’s daughter, Deng Rong. With many former Chinese officials present who had worked with the Carter administration, the former president and his wife were said to be extremely gratified to see so many “old friends,” almost all of whom were now out of office.

The overall effect of the visit—and it is an “effect” that has been sealed at a good many other meetings between Americans and Chinese—was to make the visitors feel the impossibility of making real contact. In fact, at one point I heard from sources close to him that Carter was upset enough to consider just packing up and going home.

What made the dinner in the Great Hall all the more unsettling was the feeling that a whiff of “humiliation”--chiru—hovered over it.

The Party has for many years emphasized China’s history of being humiliated and exploited by foreign powers. To feel a gust of Chinese reaction now coming back the other way left me wanting to leave early that night.

As I walked with another American China scholar out of the Great Hall into Tiananmen Square, all lit up as if for Christmas, we agreed that it was dismaying not just that Carter was being kept at official arm’s length and had been personally offended, but that this entire episode was like so many others with which we had both recently been involved.

What is more, it struck us as somehow emblematic of the suspicious, secretive, peremptory, punitive way in which official China now so often deports itself in the world, especially toward democracies, which it tends to view as especially seditious, even hostile.

It was not too many years ago that the Chinese were making similar criticisms of the West.

Wow deb would like to see a pic of that

But if such behavior then was not constructive for China’s relations with what it saw as “imperialist powers,” there is really no new logic that makes Beijing’s present behavior any more constructive now.

Where does such a standoffishness, which impedes our two sides from truly engaging, come from?

Perhaps from a concern of the Chinese that being too obviously flexible and accommodating might be misinterpreted as weakness, the very frailty that China’s hard-earned rise to wealth and power has sought to remedy.

A second is perhaps Beijing’s awareness that despite all its economic progress, Western-style democracies not only still look down on China’s Leninist system of governance, but wouldn’t mind seeing it fundamentally changed.

Western attitudes toward Chinese Communist Party rule are, not surprisingly, experienced as condescending, and they rankle many proud Chinese.

Now that China is enjoying such success in its own development that the global balance of power has begun to dramatically shift in its favor, the US finds itself confronting a new reality in Beijing.

Xi’s version of reform no longer even includes a meaningful program of political reform. Gone are the days when officials might say, “Give us time. China cannot change all at once.”

What is more, China’s new confidence in its own system of Leninist capitalism and its new assertiveness in the world have only been encouraged by the spectacle of a paralyzed US Congress and Europe’s faltering governments.

Such models of democratic practice leave Party officials feeling more justified than ever in rejecting Western democracy’s checks and balances, electoral politics, universal values, human rights, independent civil society, open media, and freedom of religious organization.

 “One part of the now long-standing Chinese leadership critique of Western-style democracy is that it is prone to paralysis and gridlock and ultimately governmental weakness,” Xi recently commented.

The Western presumption that China, aided by open markets, foreign education, and Western soft power, will irresistibly be swept toward ever greater political openness, which many Westerners have come to view as the inevitable (and desired) evolutionary path for every society, is now being met by Chinese leaders with a loud and defiant denial that could be summarized as follows:

 “We don’t want to be in your teleological dream! Your President Clinton’s ‘right side of history’ is not in the official view of our Party Chairman Xi’s ‘China dream!’”

The “China Dream” is an idea launched by Xi that is now emblazoned on billboards, bus stops, and byways throughout the country and it essentially plays to China’s historical yearning for wealth, power, respect, and global standing.

What it does not contain is any aspiration toward the Western conception of liberal democracy and humanistic values. It was the shadow of these clashing sets of ideas and the incipient great shifts in relations with Asia that undermined the visit of Jimmy Carter, who was, after all, the first US president to bring universal human rights into the White House as a real consideration in foreign policy.

China’s new power now enables it to resist almost all forms of foreign pressure. When visitors like Carter now arrive from “barbarian” lands, China’s top officials would far prefer to confine them to something like the old dynastic system of “tribute” (jingong), which prescribed strict rules for visiting foreign emissaries from subsidiary countries like Japan, Korea, Vietnam, and Burma.

 Such ambassadors were allowed to come to Beijing, await an imperial audience, proffer their ritual gifts to the Son of Heaven as “tribute,” and then quickly leave.

Never were they accorded equal status, because, after all, there were no powers “equal” to China, only lesser ones.

Because patriotic Chinese have waited so long for their nation to enjoy a “rejuvenation” (fuxing), one can understand how gratifying their country’s newly elevated status must feel and how tempting it must be to manifest it in resistance to Western pressure, something denied them for a century and a half.

But China’s new assertiveness, rigidity, and more belligerent nationalistic attitude are provoking a counteraction all around its peripheries. In fact, some are now asking, “Does China have any real friends?”

China’s actions are also creating deep concern about its intentions, especially among what we might call foreign “accommodationists,” those in the US and elsewhere abroad who have been working for rapprochement.

Many such people are beginning to wonder if the prospect of the kind of US–Chinese collaboration that President Carter tried to encourage thirty-five years ago—and that he spoke about repeatedly in Beijing this September—has not now become too naive.

 Indeed, one increasingly encounters foreigners who have been deeply involved in Chinese affairs expressing disenchantment and concern with China’s recent behavior. What is particularly striking is the number of foreign CEOs, once the backbone of better relations, asking whether they still have a future in China.

Carter’s recent visit was a low-cost, high-yield opportunity for China to begin reversing this tide of failing confidence. All that was needed was to celebrate his dramatic partnership with Deng in 1979 and to say that this most essential of global relationships now needs to continue.

Instead, the Chinese have again and again chosen to send messages that have many unspoken complications: “From now on, you will deal with us on our terms, or your foreign businesses will be circumscribed, official visits will be downplayed, visas for free-thinking scholars and journalists will be denied, and those who come filled with dreams of democracy will be snubbed.

And since we know that few can afford to be shut out of the lucrative Chinese market, we in Beijing can redefine the terms of the game.”

This is not to say that China would not love to have better relations with the US—but on its own terms. To compound the standoff, our diplomatic officials in the White House and the State Department have relatively little interest and experience in China, and are distracted by many other urgent problems elsewhere.

 We have, moreover, a president possessed of a rather cool manner himself who has so far been unable to warm up to his counterpart, Xi Jinping, also a seemingly very self-contained, reserved man with an often enigmatic smile.

In short, what used to be referred to as “the West” now finds itself confronted by an increasingly intractable situation in which the power balance is changing, a fact that few have yet quite cared to acknowledge, much less to factor into new formulations for approaching China.

 We remain nostalgic for those quaint days when Chinese leaders still followed Deng’s admonition to his people to “hide our capacities and bide our time” (taoguang yanghui).

What he meant in using this “idiom” (chengyu) was not that China should be eternally restrained but that the time to manifest its global ambition had not yet come.

Now that it is stronger, however, its leaders appear to believe that their time has at last come and they are no longer willing even to press the comforting notion of “peaceful rise” (heping jueqi).

Underlying their new attitude is an unstated warning: “If China can’t get what it wants peacefully, we are now powerful enough to get it by other means, and we don’t much mind who is offended.” Here there is an echo of Vladimir Putin.

What the Chinese seem to be saying without being too explicit (they have always been masters at indirection) is that they will now be reckoned with on their own terms, not ours. Like it or not, this is the world’s new reality.

The new challenge is unfamiliar, and it poses a difficult new question: Will the Western democracies ever be able to accept China as it is, the better to deal with the host of new global problems that menace us all, like climate change, pandemics, terrorism, and nuclear proliferation?

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2014/oct/23/china-strikes-back/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+nybooks+%28The+New+York+Review+of+Books%29

http://www.dinarrecaps.com/our-blog/china-strikes-back-by-orville-schell