TNT call 18-June-2014 Notes
Tony: Good morning, TNT! Today is Wednesday, June 18th, 2014. [missed a bit]
DC: … where you are, get as many details as we can. Maliki says that we are doing it Friday morning.
Tony: We’ll get into the background, why it didn’t happen on Saturday or last night, and why today is significant. We know it’s difficult to believe – I’ve heard stuff in the last 48 hours that I can hardly believe.
DC: This is what happened. M basically told everybody he would do it just before the government had it’s last power. At the last minute, the US came in with security problems and saying it was not great for us right now. They blamed security and a lot of other issues in terms of planning, plus internal p9olitical stuff for the US. In essence, they worked out a deal. Bottom line, M got what he wanted, and President Obama got what he wanted – more security in Iraq, more ability to do what he wants in the US. Meanwhile, a lot of people said that this was the most stabilizing thing we could do.
Tony: On Saturday, M’s last day of official power, and he always said he wanted to be part of his legacy, and at the last minute. That had to be a good deal for him to give up his power and authority. It had to be one hell of an agreement.
DC: It was a great agreement.
Tony: I want people to understand what M had at stake to NOT do it on Saturday.
DC: It was a good deal for both Maliki and President Obama. Everyone started kicking the wall. The agreement was to allow the government to be dissolved and then stability in Iraq. All military from all sides, US, Iraq and others, want two things: to announce the government and…
Tony: so all the way up to the last point, when things start going bad in Iraq, who was behind this? That all led up to Saturday, and what happened on Sunday. Who was behind all that? What we see on television is not what is happening on the streets over there. One day this will make one hell of a book.
DC: Yes, indeed. So Iraq needs two things to stabilize things: to seat the government and to revalue the currency. We knew from the election results that the seating would have a calming effect with everyone represented. Then they could announce the currency revaluation. They seated the government yesterday, and everyone threw down their arms and started to party. Also, a lot of the fundamentalists and fringe people backed down. It calmed everybody down. That basically went through. They announced the eating of the government and also several guys said that they have 200+ votes, and Chalabi said he would be the next Prime Minister.
The imams and religious authorities said that they would form a new militia to fight the extremists. The Sunnis then said that this is not about religion, and they would support the government. The US State Department also told them to take actions towards unification, which is not Maliki’s approach. He is hard-core and doesn’t get along with the other side. The US and everyone else said, Okay, you are all going to get together and do announcements, calling for peace, unity and religious tolerance so everyone will calm down. They basically forced all the top leaders from all sides, especially from the old government and they said to calm down. They did that on television. Maliki was front and center acting like he was still the Prime Minister, telling everyone to calm down, and that was effective.
Meanwhile, the CBI said, we are tired of all this, we don’t’ like the agreement, and we are doing it now that the government has been seated. They notified the BIS , and the BIS notified all the other central banks. That was yesterday. The US said, “Wait, hold on!”
Tony: Yesterday there was a scheduled time for this to happen, they geared up to do it, and they were stopped once again.
DC: So the US stopped it again for various reasons. But the CBI said they calmed everyone down, and it’s our country and we’re doing this. That fight went back and forth several times last night. CBI is still geared up to get this thing out. Now M is no longer the PM although he is acting like it. M said, “If I can get this RV done here, today, what about making me PM again?” A lot of the folks came back and said, “If you get it done, sure. Good luck.” He got smacked down last night, so how could Maliki get this accomplished?
Then he came on the news and announced (with the CBI) that we are doing this based on prior agreements. We are going to the RV on Friday, with a specific rate and time. Now Maliki has gone to his people and said, “See, we are doing it.” They announced it everywhere in Iraq (if not in the US). The CBI is going Okay, we’re going, even though Maliki is not the PM. As the former PM, Maliki had it all set it up with the CBI. The US wanted many positions filled beyond him, so they are unhappy. But they have done all the agreements and have announced it will be on Friday. So how much would you spend to get more dinars, if this is for real. It’s forcing the issue on the world, and the banks are going ‘holy crap’. He has announced it throughout the entire world and throughout Iraq. Most of Iraq know that Maliki wants to be PM again.
The US mainly wants a stable Iraq, so instead of power-sharing, they are trying to get other positions filled by others than Maliki, to form a more inclusive government. In essence, M has thrown down the gauntlet to everyone. Everything looks phenomenally good.
Tony: M had an offer, he got greedy, they snatched the offer away, M created a state of emergency to extend his rule for 30 days; that didn’t happen, so M saw the light at the end of the tunnel, and realized he made a major mistake. They said they would give him one more opportunity. He started a fire and it turned into a wildfire that got out of control, and now he wants help putting the fire out. They made an announcement that effectively tamed the fire, and now they have made a second announcement that has put it out, more or less. There are still reasons for a force to be there, but so far as the citizens are concerned, everyone is headed home and it looks like a good thing unless it doesn’t happen on Friday.
DC: Someone said, “In two days, this is going to be done.” Would you please stop spending money?” That is causing a stall to the economy, with a bully issue and other fears. This sounds a lot more serious than before, so let’s see what happens.
Tony: The difference is that Maliki has said THIS is the date and THIS is the rate, and that has never happened before. We have to wait and see. In the meantime, any intelligent person is not going to spend money If they don’t happen, because they are spending 10K for a loaf of bed! The smarter ones will wait until Friday to find out. This will shut down the Iraqi economy for 48 hours, and that could be disastrous.
DC: Yes. The fervor has died down, but there are still bad guys out there affecting the cities and the infrastructure. The CBI is still pushing, Maliki is saying he has fulfilled his agreements, and we’ve got to get this done now. He has to make sure everyone else gets their act together, because he wants to be PM again, and he could if he ends up with an RV on the timeline he said, or before.
Tony: This time, they are saying “You do it before we will let you be sworn in, so we won’t have to worry about this again.” They want Iraq to be adults, with power-sharing.
DC: Did this out man over the US? It doesn’t really matter. The US gets a stable Iraq. Some still want to push it back to 1. July, but it doesn’t matter because everyone wins.
Tony: Even Chalabi is happy with the position he’s been offered. You can’t just say you’re going to change the economy in two days; they have to do it before that time line.
Tony: The US is getting what it wants, with a unified government, and that means Iraq wins as well, because the people get the benefit of a democracy, with Sunnis and Shi’ites AND 23 women in the parliament, plus M doesn’t hold all the positions this time round. Everyone comes out well in this agreement. I don’t know everything, but I am open-minded. In this last 49 hours we found out things I would not have believed possible – why would they do that? But they do, and here we are.
DC: It’s a very good day. This is great! Common sense says they’ve got to get it done before that time.
Tony: We don’t dictate anything here, we just tell you what we hear from boots on the ground, people involved in the process. There are only a few ways this can work out if you look at it logically or with common sense, although it doesn’t always work that way! We don’t know everything; I can only go by what I know. We’re in a good place, it’s a good day, and we wait.
513 caller: Everything sounds good! And Happy Anniversary, RayRen. What about TRNs?
Tony: I’m not going to explain that to you. I will tell you a story, though. For years, I did not believe in the prosperity packages, but I have had contact with folks in DC who say that it’s true. They have the names and will send out the checks. I didn’t believe that, although I know some bought their way in while other names were put in for free. I didn’t believe in the groups, although there is one group that is legit; the group rates blew me away, and I didn’t believe in those rates until I was convinced otherwise by those in the know. Once it was explained, I said, Okay. For one group, I read the contracts and I understand from … missed a bit… I wouldn’t touch those with a barge pole. But then it was explained by people who know, and I got it. The TRNs I understand to be notes like mortgage notes, not currency notes. I have never seen the currency itself change without there being widespread announcements and plenty of notice. Am I going to walk into the bank, get a pink $50 note and think it’s real? Well, I might believe in what the bank tells me, but if I try to pay for anything, they are not going to accept that unknown bill. That’s why it doesn’t make sense to me. They may do it a different way I haven’t heard about. On the other hand, there may be new notes that pass country to country, but the other way just doesn’t make sense to me.
Caller: How does that affect us, having an asset-baked currency or now?
Tony: How could our money suddenly be worthless and they are trying to take ours because we are the only ones with real asset-backed currency?
Caller; You said you created a security blanket for those of us in TNT…
Tony: The prosperity packages are different, and the lists are closed now. The security blanket for TNT members came up because we were hearing some negative things, and I wanted to make sure 40,000 people would be protected, because I was upset. A bank said they could put something together for us, then came back and said we don’t need it any more. It’s not relevant any more, though if it ends up being necessary, we will figure something out. I am hearing that we are not getting thrown under the bus. Everyone’s on the same page. We have so many people supporting us now, that even changes in the rates are about us – it was adjusted for the people.
Caller: We’re counting you guys.
Tony: I know you are, and we feel a sense of responsibility to make sure the right thing happens. There are people in our government, in our system, who fully support us in what we’re doing. They are making sure we are treated fairly.
DC: There are a lot of very good people rooting for people on this call, to make sure we are treated fairly. There are a few bad apples, but most of those have been addressed, and will have to call it a win.
Tony: We don’t control this, but they have made a lot of changes, and we are giving you the current information as we have it today. I don’t know what will happen when we hang up!
843 caller: I’m super-fantastic. If we take China contract rate, will that money be asset-backed?
Tony: All of your money will be asset-backed because we are going Basel III compliant. Even if it says Federal Reserve, dinar will be asset-backed in Treasury dollars. The rest wiil be traded for FR dollars, until we change over. For us, though, a dollar is a dollar. At this moment, we are told we don’t need that security blanket. There are bunch of groups out there, but we have gone over this so many times in terms of what I wouldn’t do, and now they are starting to notify people these groups are not legitimate.
Caller: If we are in a group, how do we know if it’s legitimate or not.
Tony: You shouldn’t be giving your dinar to anyone, or signing over power of attorney…
Caller: I am the same one who called last week who couldn’t complete my application to the forum, so I would love to talk to Pam… I’m sure she has many other things on her mind.
Tony: Pam didn’t call you back? I’ll write down your number again and send it to Pam.
352 caller: What’s the plan between now and Friday if the things going to pop?
DC: I’m keeping my phone on really loud!
Caller: They should have had the packages in your hands.
DC: I had hoped so. We’ve had a lot of conflicting information concerning the packages. Tony and I want to help, but maybe the right hand and left hand aren’t talking to each other.
Caller: Friday it’s supposed to happen, and then we will be in the banks on Saturday, Sunday?
DC: I can’t think they will actually wait until Friday, but if they do, big deal. Our understanding is that most people will exchange within the first three days.
Caller: You talked about the protection and escape thing that Tony put together. Let’s say they call you in Friday morning, offering to cash you out at a fantastic rate if you sign this NDA…
DC: The left hand is saying “thank you for taking this on yourselves to inform people; we’d like for you to do 7-14 calls walking people through the process.” After that, we would sign our NDAs and just having acceptable talking points like suitable IDs and such. That will speed the process and decrease stress on the system and the banks. That’s what we are supposed to do as soon as this goes through. The right hand is saying “No way on earth; you sign these NDAs and keep your mouths shut”. So we don’t know what’s going to happen because these are diametrically opposed positions, and one side doesn’t know what the other side is saying. I cannot fathom why they would do that.
Tony: One side is all about personal preservation, and the other is about helping others. They should let us help; it will go more smoothly and we’ll all feel good.
Caller: If you do the 7-14 days, I hope they hold the high contract rate for you.
Tony: DC, I’m sending you a text. What I tried to put together was a guaranteed rate for you guys, because I was hearing something different and I wanted to make sure you were taken care of. Now I’m being told I don’t have to worry about that. Hopefully they’re right!
972 caller: have you ever heard of the House bill 2847to take affect 1. July; it’s something about gold and how much you can spend out of your account…
DC: I know there are restrictions about where you can put gold, but those are the only restrictions I know about.
Tony: I thought that wasn’t until January. There are restrictions of how much gold you can have and exactly where you are keeping it, with penalties if they came to inventory it and it wasn’t there. There was some stuff I really didn’t like, but they passed it in Obama Care.
Caller: I heard on a call the other day about hypothetically going to X bank with my dinar and Y bank with my dong. How would I even set up a contract rate in two different banks like that.
Tony: You do your contract rate at one bank and wire you funds to the other bank.
Caller: RayRen, your wife must be heaven-sent to deal with you!
617 caller: if this does go through on Friday, will it be a few days before we get to the banks? I have a training but I’m willing to cancel it if necessary.
Tony: I wouldn’t tell you to cancel your training. Even if it goes on Friday, I can’t tell you when you would get to the bank.
DC: If you find the 800 numbers, that’s a decision you’ll have to make on your own. We don’t know if the right and left hands are talking, so that we can give you the 800 numbers and the rest of the information. If not, remember what we’ve already told you and make a decision.
505 caller: Are both hands at least telling you that we will get an 800 number from you?
Tony: Whether I get it directly from them or elsewhere, I will send out the 800 numbers. I’ll send out a tweet before they can shut me down. I don’t think they have a problem with that. They just don’t want me to advise you on how to beat the system. I’m not an advisor, and all I can do is give you information, briefing and educating you as best I can. If we don’t do the training call, at least you have everything from the site, and everyone should be happen.
Caller: I still have it in my head that in order for the government to me set (in Iraq), for it to be official, their constitution calls for parliament to vote on seating the people voted in.
DC: Yesterday they officially seated the government, then they announced the seating.
Tony: That was completed yesterday, although there is pomp and circumstance on Sunday. They tend to put out articles on what they are going to do AFTER doing whatever.
Caller: So has it been announced who the Prime Minister will be?
DC: It has been announced, but not formally seated. One person came from way behind and is now up in front.
Caller: We all know that news not what’s really happening, however, I cannot get it through my head that no one has ever mentioned anything concerning the government. It’s all about M. We understand the news is controlled, but surely some reporter will have the full knowledge…
Tony: Hold on for a second. DC can tell me when to stop. You know that the government controls the news. The government has to figure out way to get the people to support them in what they are doing, and certain things are manufactured or created to get you prepped for that mindset, or to distract you until certain things are accomplished. So many things were done during the last week that many won’t recognize for another ten year, and many of them were negotiated for the last ten or twenty years… or things that they thought would never happen, did happen over night, and most don’t even realize what happened. On our news is what they thing we need to know to accomplish what they want, such as putting troops back in Iraq.
DC: Newsmakers choose what is going on out of a million events at any given time. Sometimes there are leaks and the press secretaries are doing their jobs to make their bosses look good. That’s their job, to help influence, tell their side of the story, etc. There are also security concerns, where a reporter or blogger can screw up something that then gets people killed or tortured. Also, there are many cases where the press repeats itself, taking news feeds from 2-3 different angles. If there is only so much information coming out, and reporters get lazy. For instance, the seating of the Iraqi parliament is not classified, and it’s all over the Iraqi papers, but the US newspapers don’t even mention it. Today was the first time I read in my usual spread of newspapers that they even hinted that Iraq is forming a coalition government.
The politicos want there to be emphasis on what benefits, and the journalists get to choose which stories they want to print. But it is outside most people understanding how they do that. There is so much information and so many angles…
Tony: It’s important to know that not everything needs to be public. We are picking it apart because we are involved in it, and we get additional information. The public doesn’t need to know everything, and they don’t always understand what they do find out. The information we gave you today about Iraq was cleared to be given out.
DC: Yes. WE talked to our folks and got multiple confirmations from various sides of the arena. When we have sensitive information, oftentimes we run it by our folks. It’s not about there being a politburo, but just about being sensitive.
Tony: The only thing they said we couldn’t talk about was the rates. We are not calling the RV; we are letting you know what happened in Iraq today. We left out the best part.
DC: Pam just sent us a message. We referred to the packages, and those are the cash-in or exchange process and how this works. We want to help in that process, and one side wants us to do that for 7-14. Another sides is saying “don’t talk about anything!” There is a lack of coordination about how they want the public to be updated. They need to sort that our between themselves.
Tony: We are just going to talk about the procedures so you can make your own decisions with your own attorneys. AT that time, we will all be so happy and the rate will be great, so it may not be an issue. Just because I know how to do something doesn’t mean that it’s right for everyone else. They will have people in the bank to advise you, and for most people that will be the best way to go. Even if I tell you what I might do, you wouldn’t have the details to make it work. What I hope we can tell you is how to go to the bank; that is the purpose of the calls, and I think we can all live with that.
DC: If we end up doing those calls, that’s all we were going to do, to help people get to the bank and have everything running smoothly.
727 caller: DC, you said that M and Obama were pleased, but things were not as pleasing for the rest of us; will we be okay?
DC: What we hoped was that the RV would occur last Friday, with the process occurring last Saturday. Due to bigger concerns, they wanted to move this around. That is a choice they get to make. Obama wanted stability and a little more time, and M wanted certain things, too. They agreed to move it a few days, and we are all happy now.
609 caller: When do you think you will receive the 800 numbers after the RVon Friday?
Tony: We don’t know that it will wait until Friday or not. It could come up in the next hour. All we know is that this is what Maliki did today. We were told that they want people in the banks two hours after the RV. The left hand is saying this, the right hand is saying that, and we don’t know. We’re just as confused as you.
Caller: Will this just be tier 1 banks or tier 2 banks as well?
Tony: It should be both; it’s easier for the tier 2 banks to bring their people in.
Caller: Will we still have a call on Friday morning?
Tony: I know what I want to do, and what I’ve heard I will do, but…
Caller: If it RVs on Friday, will we see that on Forex or Bloomberg?
Tony: I don’t think so.
DC: There is a big Forex contingent, and they think it can only happen while Forex is trading. Because this is such a massive currency change, rules have been changed or bent. It will be off Forex for a time, could be days or even weeks. I’m not as connected as some, and I knew it would change that much. On the Forex-Fed applications, on your phone, some will not get updated until Forex gets updated, which could be up to a few days after. I don’t know. If anyone is upset about the information we gave out first, we just got a fifth confirmation from a completely different direction that the announcements have been made with dates given.
Tony: This was from three-letter agencies in other countries.
832 caller: So the government says that 97% will be broke within two years.
Tony: They say that 90% of those who win the lottery are broke in five years. They know that because they track it. The numbers of the people here, well …
DC: Numbers without reserves, they say this: most people have a single 25K note. About 80% have less than 100K. The average is 250K dinar, adding in the guys with billions. There are fewer than 10,000 who have over a million. There are fewer than five thousand who have over ten million. So you aren’t talking about that many people. The UST has done the math and applied the same logic of the lottery winners to this, because it’s a similar mentality of “money from heaven and I’m going to blow it.” Hopefully you have all been listening and learning about investing and taking ownership of that money. That is the main reason Tony and I spend all this time on the phone with you. So if we have affected 80% of those people, that’s great.
Tony: 200K have maybe a million dinar. If they set aside 500,000 for taxes, and spent 250,000, and invest 250,000, that would be good. There are people who have never seen that amount and they will just spend, spend, spend on cars and flat screens and all the rest. I hate it, but that’s what happens. If lottery winners and multimillionaire athletes go broke with 10-100 million, how much more likely is it that people will less money will go broke.
Caller: I’m happy you will get these packages, and I trust you. There is one guru that is saying the dong will not revalue, and I’m worried if that guru is getting the package. The first thing I will do is to sign the NDA and get this moving. I’m concerned about these people going to the groups, and being led down the garden path. It bothers me that we might not get these packages and therefore not know what to do.
Tony: I agree, but apparently some people don’t want you to know beforehand. We have done all we can do. For four years, I’ve been giving out the best information and guidance I can give, based on what I know about money. If people listen to someone else, and sign a power of attorney and send them all their dinar, there is nothing I can do about that. I’ve done the best I can do! I bet Pam has something to say about that:
Pam: Not everybody is supposed to be filthy, thinking rich. Some are supposed to lose their money and learn those lessons. Hopefully, our people are not amongst those.
Caller: I would probably have been one of those 90%, so I’m glad that we’ve had this grace period so that I can prepare myself mentally. So… this thing is happening Friday?
DC: I’m going to be my ass kicked on this one.
Tony: We have ONLY told you what HE said over there. [DC: sixth confirmation now]
Caller: I’m hoping this is the last time I’m on this call; you still have an invitation to Dallas.
Tony: I see I have a whole new bunch of nephews to day congratulating Ray on his anniversary.
830 caller: Is there some reason you are not bringing yourself to Texas? DC is here…
Tony: If DC will promise to come to the event in Texas, I will be in Texas!
DC: I may have some operational and security issues, so we’ll see.
Caller: If he made an announcement about rate and date, why can’t you tell us?
DC: I have been told by people I respect that it will mess things up is I announce the rate. I trust their ability to read the wind, so… It’s about what we would expect anything, so it doesn’t matter. We don’t want to influence anything here.
DC: Some folks are saying they want us to educate you all, and you are part of that. We are happy to help; it’s what we are doing now. The other hand has changed their mind this week, and they are saying “you will not say anything.” They need to talk.
Tony: We want to know who is in charge! We have told you what has happened in Iraq, that several other countries have accepted it; we have NOT told you the US has, either way.
303 caller: [chitchat] Assuming the Iraqi government announces the RV on Friday, what can the US do to block it?
DC: They can try a lot of different things. It depends on how much pain they are willing to go through vs how much momentum is out there to get it done. AT the moment, the wind is blowing strongly to get it done. But even last night, they brought us three blocks.
Caller: So is the US the only thing blocking this?
DC: There are many in the US who do want this, with only a few very powerful people who are trying to convince others to wait.
Caller: So we have to wait for you guys to announce this, not just rely on Maliki announcing it.
Tony: The bigger question is “Can he do it without the US?” He can do it over there and everywhere else, and still not have it here. If it doesn’t happen by Friday, M will have bigger problems to deal with
Caller: Some think that because I am on stage3alpha I must be connecting to you. If we cannot join your forum at this late date, please figure out a way to do a tweet for any important news that would be on your forum and no one else’s forum.
Tony: A year ago, people thought we were connected, and they were signing up over there thinking that connected them with TNT. People from different forums come onto our calls. I’m sorry you’re sitting over there like that, but all those forum questions are on Pam; that’s her area of expertise. Talk to her nicely, and see if she will let you in. We don’t control this. We heard yesterday it was supposed to happen, and it didn’t. There are still issues and negotiations going on right this minute, even though Maliki has announced it. M is making is harder and harder for anyone to say no, but we don’t control it. All we can do is give you the information that we are hearing, that we are involved in. In the last 48 hours, I’ve been amazed myself, that they did this and that. We’re not in charge; they are.
DC: You’ve nailed it. I would like to talk about the banking process. I’m going to address something we’ve talked about before. During the banking process, if we don’t get to talk to you, remember the bankers didn’t know about this. Be kind and compassionate; they didn’t know or were told that is was a scam. Remember to dress and act appropriately for a major business deal. Appearance matters; people naturally judge you on that.
I was working for a business consulting company right before 9-11. I was living in Dallas and going to New York through Nashville. It was a Sundayafternoon and I had to be there for a meeting on Monday morning. In the Nashville airport, I see this guy who looking like a slob, with a paper bag with duct-tape, sauntering down the corridors in the airport. I couldn’t believe how he looked! Son of a gun, it turned out to my brother! I thought he was in the Pacific and I hadn’t seen him in a long time. I walked up to him and said hello. The point is, this was my own brother, and I thought he looked like trash. \
Your appearance does make a difference to how you’re treated, so dress correctly.
Tony: They will not allow groups, so you can only bring your spouse and a practicing attorney. Dress like you’re about to get a million dollars. Act like it, too. Okay, it’s 2pm.
DC: have a good day. We have confirmed that Maliki has made an announcement that the RV is going through on Friday, and that’s a great thing, guys.
Pam: If we are not here, TNT does sell anything or ask for investments – we would never do anything like that.
Ray: Now can we finally say good-bye? Have a good evening, everyone!
Tony: All we did was pass along what Maliki said and what they are trying to get accomplished. We hope it will come to an end. We just give you the info we received. We are feeling good about it. It's a win-win for everybody. We're not saying this is over. We all know that this has come close before and someone has tipped over the applecart. Hopefully the next call will be about the procedures for when you go in.
