Monday, November 12, 2018
Snake Plissken
Trump is going after a DEEPLY entrenched enemy that know every trick in the book. You can't tip them off, you can't make mistakes, you have to sway public opinion and gather evidence right under their noses, this takes time and patience. The victory lies in the preparation.
The Capper --- What ISN'T There 5.0
By Anna Von Reitz
We aren't "there".
Not even in the so-called Civil War.
Our
States and our lawful Federation of States doing business as The United
States of America were never involved in the Civil War. We were Third
Parties throughout. The entire action involved The Federal States of
States, not the States.
That is, the Civil War was fought over and by the Confederation of States, not the Federation of States.
Georgia never fought in the Civil War. The State of Georgia did.
Note
that it is the original Federal State of State --- "The State of
Georgia" we are talking about, not the Territorial franchise doing
business as "the State of Georgia" --which did not exist prior to the
Civil War. And should not have existed afterward.
Two different Unions. Two different jurisdictions. Two different populations.
And
they, Britain and Rome, knowingly came in here and pretended that we
were part of their mess and subject to their debt collections. They
"sponsored" their commercial mercenary conflict on our shores without
our participation or consent and then blamed us and billed us for it, as
if we were parties to any of this.
Then
they just continued their abuses and "presumptions" through the First
World War and the Second World War and all their endless warmongering
ever since.
It
had nothing to do with us, then or now, except that we have been
unconscionably presumed upon and imposed upon by the most obnoxious
guests --- pirates and con artists --- ever since.
So
all the miseries that have been visited on us as innocent Third Parties
being dis-served by treaty partners who owed us far better, are crimes.
Pure and simple. It has nothing to do with politics, though it does
have something to do with diplomacy --- or lack of it.
As
a Christian nation --- which we are, and they aren't --- we could
forgive them, but only if they repent and stop their reiteration of
crimes: put an end to false claims against our assets and our people,
properly discharge their duties and obligations, hand over the physical
assets and profits naturally belonging to our States and People and stop
interfering with and misrepresenting and imposing upon us.
The
United States of America is a unincorporated Federation of fifty noble
State republics, the lawful government of a generous and gallant and
peaceful people.
The
U.S. is a Confederation of States of States that went off track a long
time ago under the guidance of the British Monarchs and the Popes of
Rome and treasonous members of Congress.
The
original Confederation of Federal States of States disbanded in 1860
and the members, all Federal States of States, fought the Civil War. The
surviving Federal States of States entered a process of
"Reconstruction" that has never been completed. British Territorial
States of States usurped at this point and began a rampage of
criminality and Roman Municipal STATES OF STATES joined the fray.
Our
country has been in a crisis ever since because our Hired Help can't
obey their treaty obligations, the Public Law, or find their butts with
both hands.
Time to wake up, Virginia. And that includes the General Staff, the President, and members of Congress.
Sunday, November 11, 2018
What ISN'T There 4.0
By Anna Von Reitz
What ISN'T There 4.0
One of the things that "isn't" there is any conscious agreement by our Mothers or Fathers consenting to any of this.
The entire process is predicated on forcing unknowing women to sign away their children into lives of debt slavery, and doing it under color of law --- pretending that there is some mandate by their lawful government demanding this, while on the other side of their lying mouths, the miscreants responsible are claiming that this is all "voluntary".
It's not mandated by our government. It's not allowed by our government. It's against our Public Law and against the Geneva Conventions and against at least a dozen United Nations Declarations.
Maybe someone should inform the Government of Westminster what their American Bar Association and United States Bar Association members are doing here?
Oh, wait, we did that twenty years ago....
Maybe someone should tell the Roman Catholic Church?
Oh, wait, we did that twenty years ago, too....
Maybe someone should complain to the U.S. President?
Ah, yes, well, did that more than twenty years ago....
It's racketeering, identity theft, and credit theft on a vast international scale, carried out by private, for-profit governmental services corporations and members of the Bar Associations, and all supported by the treasonous and/or clueless Generals and Admirals of the U.S. Army and Navy and clerics of the Roman Catholic Church.
So let's look for some other missing elements.
Does anyone have a peace treaty ending the Second World War with Hungary or Bulgaria? No? Curiously, they are both named as "enemies" in the Trading with the Enemy Act and are the only parties that could still be considered "Enemies".
Which means, baldly, that these animals have been knowingly preying upon their friends and Allies in gross breach of trust and violation of their commercial contract obligations--- exactly as our Final Civil Judgment of 2014 finds.
It means that this is the thanks that we get for saving Britain's butt in World War II, and the thanks we get for our religious tolerance of the Roman Catholic Church, too.
So, Campers, are you inspired enough to sit down and write some nasty notes and take action to clean up this mess? Peaceful actions of course. They've only killed us on paper so far, so it's time to return the favor and take out the entire B.E.A.S.T. System.
What ISN'T There 3.0
By Anna Von Reitz
What ISN'T There 3.0
We
left off with the fact that FDR'S Banking Holiday has never ended, with
the affect that what we know as banks aren't really banks--- they are
deceptively operating under the names of old banks, but in fact they are
securities investment, trading, and holding companies.
We
briefly discussed how these "banks that aren't banks" have created
securities to trade by "securitizing" living people which is grossly
unlawful, and how they have profited themselves by false advertising and
undisclosed mortgage escrow practices.
So let's look at how they have contrived to do all this.
Go
back to the Trading with the Enemy Act and 50 USC 4307 (d) which allows
the "voluntary" donation of property belonging to parties who are not
enemies to the Alien Property Custodian (now the U.S. Attorney
General).
Now add that exactly such a
contract is "offered" to your Mother at the hospital under color of
law. She is coerced under false pretenses to sign a totally undisclosed
and repugnant contract donating her child as a ward of the British
Territorial State of State.
So, the U.S.
Attorney General takes the new "donation" and "enfranchises" it and
copyrights its Name. As a result, the Trade Name our parents gave us is
now "interpreted" as the name of a British Territorial Commonwealth
Public Trust, instead of the Trade Name of a living American.
All the assets attached to the Trade Name are now dumped into the Public Trust.
And
since Your Name is now registered as a Public Trust and no longer
recognized as the Name of a Living Man, it can be "securitized" --- so
they unlawfully convert Your Trade Name into the Name of a Public Trust,
and that then ends the prohibition against slavery and involuntary
peonage.
You can do whatever you want to do to a corporation. It's just a legal fiction after all.
What
they try to ignore is that the legal fiction is now attached to a
living man and a living man's assets, and they then act as Executors de
son Tort to administer and manipulate both the man and the assets via
the unlawful conversion of his American Trade Name to the name of a
British Commonwealth Public Trust.
This is a known crime called "personage".
It
gets worse. They don't stop there. The U.S. Attorney General then
spins off two more primary corporations under variations of your Trade
Name. There's a British Commonwealth Public Transmitting Utility
operating under Your Name in this form: Michael R. Doe and a Cestui Que
Vie Estate Trust operating under Your Name in the form: Michael Ransom
Doe.
Then
the Roman Catholic Church gets into the act and spins off its own
versions of corporate municipal franchises operating under your name.
And here, if possible, is where things take an even worse turn, because
they define "your" Municipal PERSON as a criminal.
And
under the 14th Amendment of the British Territorial United States
Constitution, criminals can be enslaved. And they can be subjected to
Bounty Hunting by the British Territorial Government and its assigns.
So
here you are, hapless Joe American, naturally an innocent Third Party,
being ruthlessly subjected to all this fraud and confidence crime by
foreign governments that are both under obligations public and private
to protect you and which are instead conniving to pillage and plunder
and enslave you.
Perhaps the only question in your mind right now is --- why isn't President Trump nuking Rome and London?
See the next article in this series.
What ISN'T There 2.0
By Anna Von Reitz
What ISN'T There 2.0
As
I have noted before, many of the most interesting discoveries in the
long bunny hole romp come from what ISN'T there.... that should be.
We
have discussed the missing Declaration of War related to the Civil War
and the lack of a Peace Treaty ending it. We have noted the lack of an
Executive Order ending FDR's "Bank Holiday" before, but let's examine
that a bit more. What does it mean?
What it means is that the banks we are familiar with aren't banks.
They are securities investment and holding companies.
And what have they "securitized" to promote their business and trade?
Securitization
is a process of assigning a value to an asset and then trading
certificates, stocks, bonds, mortgages and other "tokens" of ownership
interest.
As
our research into the Birth Certificate issue and our research into
Foreclosures has yielded, the "U.S. Attorney Generals" have
"securitized" the living people of this country and all our private
property, too.
But "securitizing" living people is against the law and is both illegal and unlawful, because doing so enslaves them.
Both the international law and the Public Law of this country very clearly forbids it.
Not
only is slavery forbidden, but since 1926, voluntary peonage is also
forbidden by Public Law. You can't volunteer yourself into indentured
servitude, even if you wanted to.
So
how is it possible that since 1934 America has been the site of a
booming slave industry based on "securitzing" living people and their
private property?
Answer:
FDR's Bank Holiday, which is still in effect. You are all challenged to
find any action anywhere rescinding or ending the so-called "Bank
Holiday" via Executive Order (by which it was created) or Congressional
Act or by any other means.
The
Bank Holiday ended "the normal course of business" in this country.
Imagine that you are playing a game of checkers, and without overtly
changing the playing pieces, the game is converted into a game of chess
instead ---- all without any fully disclosed explanation or warning?
That's what happened in 1934.
And
that is what is still going on today. We are led to believe that normal
business practices and procedures and assumptions apply, but in fact,
they don't.
When
these banks that aren't banks offer "home loans" what they are really
"offering" is that you "voluntarily" loan your home to them for their
benefit.
They
then conveniently create credit on an accounting ledger --- all out of
thin air, with nothing but the value of your home and labor at risk ---
and set up an escrow ACCOUNT in your Name, without telling you. They
charge you on average five times the value of any loan as interest and
demand an unearned security interest in your labor and assets on top of
it. Then, when you mysteriously fail to come forward and collect on the
escrow ACCOUNT (that you know nothing about) they declare the funds
"abandoned" and take all the mortgage payments that you paid to YOURSELF
for their profit, too.
Nice.
This
scam has been going on since 1934 and it still is. And that's just the
mortgage-foreclosure scam. It gets worse. Much worse.
See the next article for more.
For the Bar Members to See and Know--- And Everyone Else, Too
By Anna Von Reitz
For the Bar Members to See and Know--- And Everyone Else, Too
This is from a member of the Living Law Team a couple years ago. Read it, Bar Members, and weep.
The Role of Counselors-at—Law and The [unincorporated] Delaware Statutory Trusts
Remember when you were told you that you "had to have a Social Security Number"?
Sometimes, that is true, but only if you are applying for employment with the federal government. For of course, you would need it to enroll in their retirement and employee benefits program....but you don’t have to have one otherwise.
It is the same scenario with the Bar Associations telling new JD graduates that they have to have a Bar Card....again, that is true, if they want to be a prosecutor for the federal government corporations and their "federated state of state franchises" and become an employee of the court…………but not otherwise.
The fact is that there is no requirement for anyone to be a Bar Association Member to engage in the profession of law in this country and there never have been.
I challenge anyone anywhere to prove that there is any general requirement to be a Bar Member, in order to use the court facilities, present cases, or offer effective counsel to others with or without pay.
The fact is that the perpetuation of these "mandatory" Social Security enrollment and Bar Association Membership half-truths are undertaken in self-interest by undeclared foreign interests.
Research the Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA) if you have doubts and also see Trinsey v. Pagliaro and the cases that Robert F. Kennedy fought pertaining to these very issues.
Happily, quite a number of some of the best minds working in the profession of law today have awakened to this realization and they are turning in their Bar cards and leaving the association to stew in its own juice.
This was precipitated as a direct result of Bar Associations kicking members out for committing the sin of actually defending and protecting their clients' best interest, as well as, a result of lawyers waking up and going, "OMG!" -- and exiting as fast as their feet would get them out the door.
The lawyers among us are waking up along with the rest of the populace and realizing that they have been sold a total bill of goods, and don’t have to spend their lives being professional “liars”.
The fact is, lawyers can function either as attorneys-at-law or as counselors-at-law. These are "capacities" within the profession in which a lawyer can choose to work, [just as you can choose to work in the capacity of a hotel manager or a hotel bartender and still be working in a hotel].
Attorneys join the Bar to gain group insurance and bonding benefits. [Also so their buddies in the fraternity will gang up on any outsiders].
Counselors pay their own insurance and bonds and otherwise don't have any reason to join the Bar, because they aren't involved in the disposition of public property or addressing issues related to public employees-- that is, they aren't working in administrative capacities as members of an administrative court.
Attorneys-at-law traditionally function as property managers involved in the administration of civil cases in Article I courts dealing with in-house legislative "laws" and statutes.
This is why those working in administrative courts supported by the United States Districts, the Territorial States of States, and the Municipal STATES OF STATES are all required to be "attorneys" and Bar Members by their employers.
Attorneys work in administrative tribunals. Not judicial courts.
This fact accounts for these frank admissions about the nature of the federal territorial and municipal courts and their various state-of-state franchises operating on our shores:
"There are no Judicial courts in America and there has not been since 1789, Judges do not enforce Statutes and Codes. Executive Administrators enforce Statues and Codes. There have not been any Judges in America since 1789. There have just been Administrators." FRC v. GE 281 US 464, Keller v. PE 261 US 428 1 Stat. 138-178.
"Courts are Administrative Tribunals" Clearfield Trust, et al v. United States 318 U.S. 363 (1943).
Counselors-at-law traditionally function in judicial court capacities and have the duty to protect and defend their living clientele, unlike their attorney-at-law brethren who are limited to dealing with public property and public employees and incorporated "things", either belonging to or working for or working with the government corporations.
Naturally, when a counselor-at-law appears a number of things are different about the nature and tenor of the proceedings:
A counselor-at-law is not required to enter an appearance prior to a court date and may simply walk in with a brief explanation to the judge that he or she is working in the capacity of a counselor-at-law and providing effective assistance to the Plaintiff or Defendant.
Often, to further clarify things, the judge will ask if the counselor-at-law is a member of the Bar Association…….If not, the proper response is simply, "I don't have a card (or more properly, a "ticket") with the Bar."
This is referring obliquely to the Bid Bond that the Bar Associations post in maritime cases involving incorporated entities, thus, further signaling to the judge that the Plaintiff or Defendant is appearing in the capacity of a living man or woman and that the court has to shift gears from international sea jurisdiction to international land jurisdiction.
The first difference for the court's notice when a counselor-at-law appears is the explicit revelation of the capacity in which the Plaintiff/Defendant is operating.
If he or she is operating in their actual, living capacity as a man or woman standing on the land jurisdiction of the United States, they are owed all their constitutional rights and guarantees including a counselor-at-law who can advise them but not "represent" them, because they are presumed to be free people above the age of twenty-one and competent to make their own decisions. That's why they have hired a counselor-at-law instead of an attorney.
That is also why they are forcing the court to engage them as people under the Public Law of the
United States or the General Session Law of the State instead of as "things" subject to the Private Administrative Law of any foreign territorial or municipal corporation or state of state or incorporated county franchise tribunal.
Attorneys represent "things" --- corporate franchises, wards of the state, bankrupt businesses, murdered victims of crime, mentally incompetent people, --all things that cannot "stand for" or answer for themselves. That is why they have to be "re-presented" by a substitute acting "for" them.
Counselors-at-law assist in presenting cases for living people.
Notice the difference: attorneys "represent" and administer the affairs of their clients often without regard for or even consulting with their clients. For example, they cut plea-bargains and waive rights and sell off property in whatever way best benefits the court.
This is because they work for the court and the client is at best considered a public trust subject to the court's administration. [And this is true whether you pay the traitor or not].
Notice that counselors-at-law "present" cases with and for their patrons, who administer their own affairs and make their own decisions throughout the proceedings, retain all their rights and prerogatives and do not willingly subject themselves to the court's administration.
Now, obviously, from the court's standpoint, it is very convenient to be able to dictate whatever happens in each and every case, so as to "administer" it as best suits the "public good" and the "good of the court" ---and the court's corporate employers, of course, without regard for any such niceties as equity owed to living people, or any rights owed to living people.
Just as obviously, it is a death knell to justice and an end to all freedom for living people to allow this state of affairs to go on.
When even the lawyers among us are so dumbed down and ignorant that they think the Bar Association has the power to obstruct them from pursuing their vocation, it's time to outlaw the Bar Associations, because they are clearly over-stepping any rational function or status that they have.
U.S. District, State of State and STATE OF STATE courts can demand whatever credentials they wish from people that they hire to represent their interests, just as other private and public interests can demand whatever credentials they desire from their employees.
If a "State of State" Legislature can pass a statutory "law" saying that all its court officials have to be Bar Association Members, our State Legislatures can just as easily pass a General Session law saying that none of our courts will allow Bar Association Members.
Take Note:
State of Wyoming is a Territorial Franchise Court. STATE OF WYOMING is a Municipal Franchise Court…………. Both of these are foreign corporation franchises like the local Target store.
They are limited to running administrative tribunals and they can require all the people in their "court system" to be Bar Association members until the cows come home, because these are private administrative tribunals.
But the Wyoming State Court belongs to the people of Wyoming and they run judicial courts of record that are superior to any private administrative tribunals and they can mandate that no Bar Association members are allowed to practice law in their venue ---thereby providing plenty of work for counselors-at-law.
That this great country and its people have been hoodwinked and pulled off course for so long by selfish private interests is an immense and horrifying Breach of Trust, but it is one that is being swiftly rectified, when we change/correct our own presumed political status and consequently change the "presumed" capacity in which we choose to act in court; while changing the capacity in which lawyers act.
To all former Bar Attorneys and those who are [currently] thinking seriously of tearing up their [fraud] cards?
It is time to face the truth and set yourselves free of the imaginary shackles that the Bar Associations have placed on you.
You can enter any court in this country in the capacity of a Counselor-at-Law and there is nothing any of the courts can say except, "Yes, of course...."
Moms of America
By Anna Von Reitz
Moms of America
When
my Mother (born 1920) discovered what the Vermin had alleged against my
sister and I and our children as a result of her signature on the
hospital records, she wrote a scathing rebuttal and explained the source
of the "misunderstanding" -- the failure of the perpetrators to fairly
and fully disclose which "United States" they were talking about.
She
filed her Testimony on the land jurisdiction record and revoked her
signature and her purported election to have herself or anyone in her
family "considered to be" a federal citizen of any kind.
Thus
when the U.S. Attorney General comes to me and pretends that my Mother
"gifted" me to their corporation, the opposite set of facts and
counter-claim is already part of the international land jurisdiction
record.
And he can go blow.
I
shall never forget the look on my Mother's face when she understood
what these Vermin have done. It was a look of sheer outrage, and I have
felt it myself, because the same extortion and the same repugnant
demands were made upon me by hospital personnel when my son was born.
I
repudiated them on the public record, too, and gave full testimony of
how a huge male nurse and two female accomplices came to my hospital
room which I paid for--- and demanded that I complete their paperwork,
or they would seize my son and never let him come home from the
hospital.
This
is what is going on in America. Unfortunately, it's going on all over
the world. A giant crime syndicate has built this "system" and
administered it via an interlocking trust directorate.
They are stealing our babies and using them as slaves and as chattel backing their corporate debts.
If you can think of anything more repugnant, more un-American, more inhumane, more evil or more false --- let me know.
Now,
all you women, all you Mothers out there --- the U.S. Attorney General
is holding your babies to this unconscionable "contract" based on your
signature. They, the Vermin, are claiming that you "willfully" and
"voluntarily" donated your children as gifts to their corporation. Just
like they are claiming that your Mother's donated you.
Is that true?
Are you mad?
You ought to be.
This
evil system has been clicking along for decades, like a lawn mower,
cutting the living people down to mere corporate franchises. Their
corporation has been racking up debts against you and your children
purportedly with your "voluntary" and knowing consent.
Is that true?
Are you mad?
You ought to be.
Who owns your children? You, or the foreign government service providers?
Your children are being stolen by racketeers and as, in my case, by extortionists, threatening actual physical kidnap.
Your
children are being sold into debt slavery and your rightful ownership
of your minor children is being by-passed to the State of Whatever. Even
your marriage is being "interpreted" as a "licensed" Joint Venture,
with the State of Whatever playing an undisclosed Third Party role with
an interest in the "products" of your JV -- your children.
The
men and women who are supporting this unconscionable theft and this
whole system of enslavement are lower than snakes bellies in deep, deep
wagon ruts, and they need to be stopped. Permanently.
So what are we going to do about it, Moms of America?
Are
you content to have your children stolen and sold into debt slavery to
benefit foreign corporations? How about having yourselves identified as
"Unwed Mothers" who are "voluntarily" donating your kids as "wards of
the State of State" and delivering them to the U.S. Attorney General as
"Alien Property"?
Isn't it more than past time for all this CRAP to end?
So
let's begin with the U.S. Attorney General, who is an Officer of
Interpol, not an American at all, and not even a "U.S. Citizen" anymore.
Let's
ask him what in the %1$!#%^^@ he thinks he is doing seizing upon our
children via false commercial claims solicited under color of law?
He's got a lot more to think about and answer for than any Russia Investigation.
And so does Donald J. Trump.
We
can address the long-running international fraud and we can reclaim our
assets from the Philippines and elsewhere and we can settle all and any
lawful debts that are owed by anyone on Earth, but in order to do that,
the political lobbyists occupying Capitol Hill and other
"administrative agencies" like the DOJ, FBI, DOD, IRS, et alia, have to
be brought to heel.
And that's where you come through the door, Moms of America.
This
is where you grab those political lobbyists by the crotch in your Mama
Bear jaws. This is where you nail the "U.S. Attorney General" and all
his stinking little minions to the wall. This is where you tear up and
return all the licenses. This is where you pigeon-hole the local country
and State of State vermin and tell them: (1) what is going on and (2)
where to get off.
Second Set of Human Bones Found at Vatican
OOM2
Posted: 11 Nov 2018 06:00 AM PST
Second Set of Human Bones Found at Vatican – ‘Not Yet Decomposed’
Two days after human remains found on Vatican property were sent for DNA testing and comparisons, more bones were uncovered in the same area, and are believed to belong to a different individual.
According to experts, the second and separate set of bone fragments appear to be older than the skeleton and are believed to belong to a second individual.
After an initial examination of the skeleton’s pelvis, it was believed that the remains belonged to a woman, however, confirmation of the age and gender of the person, as well as a rough estimate of when they died, will not come until the DNA testing is complete.
Crux reports: Before the new bones were found, Gianni Arcudi, director of Pathology at Rome’s Tor Vergata University and a consultant in the case, said that at first sight, the skeleton did not appear to be overly decomposed, despite having been buried in humid ground.
In comments to Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera, Arcudi said in his view, the skeleton likely belongs to someone between 25-35 years of age – an analysis which, if true, would debunk theories that the remains belong to one of two missing teenagers who disappeared in 1983.
Is there a serial killer in the Vatican?
For many Italians, the discovery of the bones has reawakened curiosity and speculation over the cold cases of Emanuela Orlandi, whose father worked at the time for the Vatican bank and lived on Vatican property, and Mirella Gregori, who went missing about a month before Orlandi.
Neither of the girls’ bodies were ever found, and in the years since their disappearance, Orlandi in particular has become the source of many varying conspiracy theories.
According to some theories, Orlandi was kidnapped in a bid to put pressure on the Vatican to conceal the financial misdealings of mafia members found to have ties to the Vatican bank, while others, including Rome’s famed exorcist Father Gabriel Amorth, insist that the youth was murdered after being coaxed into a sex ring which had the participation of members of the Vatican police force and diplomats close to the Holy See.
Still others have linked her disappearance to an attempt by international terrorists to force the release of Mehmet Ali Agca, the Turkish gunman who shot Saint Pope John Paul II in 1981 in an assassination attempt.
None of these theories have ever been proven, and with the discovery of the bones, many are hopeful it will bring closure to the case.
A molar tooth is reportedly among the bones sent for testing as well as a part of the skull. The DNA will be compared to that of Orlandi and Gregori to determine whether or not there is a match.
In his comments to Corriere della Sera, Arcudi said the age estimate of 25-35 years old for the skeleton is based on a variety of factors, including “the structure of the bones, whose development in this case tells us the person very probably was 25 years old.”
Arcudi also cautioned against jumping to the conclusion that the bones belong to a woman, saying there can only be surety when the DNA results are in. On the finding of the new bones, Arcudi voiced hope that the fragments will help identify the person, whom he doubts will turn out to be Orlandi.
“In truth, I never had the impression that she was involved,” he said.
In comments to Corriere, the Orlandi family lawyer, Laura Sgro, said the finding of the new bones does not change anything for the family. “We don’t know if Emanuela is dead and, if she is dead, we don’t know when,” she said, adding that “we ae waiting for the DNA test.”
Orlandi’s brother, Pietro, told the paper he is anxious to get a confirmation on the gender, as there is still doubt if the bones in fact belong to a woman. However, Pietro said he is convinced that the person, whoever it is, was brought to the location after their death, which is “demonstrated by the fact that the skeleton is not complete and above all that it was found without clothes or jewelry.”
Thanks to: https://nworeport.me
Two days after human remains found on Vatican property were sent for DNA testing and comparisons, more bones were uncovered in the same area, and are believed to belong to a different individual.
According to experts, the second and separate set of bone fragments appear to be older than the skeleton and are believed to belong to a second individual.
After an initial examination of the skeleton’s pelvis, it was believed that the remains belonged to a woman, however, confirmation of the age and gender of the person, as well as a rough estimate of when they died, will not come until the DNA testing is complete.
Crux reports: Before the new bones were found, Gianni Arcudi, director of Pathology at Rome’s Tor Vergata University and a consultant in the case, said that at first sight, the skeleton did not appear to be overly decomposed, despite having been buried in humid ground.
In comments to Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera, Arcudi said in his view, the skeleton likely belongs to someone between 25-35 years of age – an analysis which, if true, would debunk theories that the remains belong to one of two missing teenagers who disappeared in 1983.
Is there a serial killer in the Vatican?
For many Italians, the discovery of the bones has reawakened curiosity and speculation over the cold cases of Emanuela Orlandi, whose father worked at the time for the Vatican bank and lived on Vatican property, and Mirella Gregori, who went missing about a month before Orlandi.
Neither of the girls’ bodies were ever found, and in the years since their disappearance, Orlandi in particular has become the source of many varying conspiracy theories.
According to some theories, Orlandi was kidnapped in a bid to put pressure on the Vatican to conceal the financial misdealings of mafia members found to have ties to the Vatican bank, while others, including Rome’s famed exorcist Father Gabriel Amorth, insist that the youth was murdered after being coaxed into a sex ring which had the participation of members of the Vatican police force and diplomats close to the Holy See.
Still others have linked her disappearance to an attempt by international terrorists to force the release of Mehmet Ali Agca, the Turkish gunman who shot Saint Pope John Paul II in 1981 in an assassination attempt.
None of these theories have ever been proven, and with the discovery of the bones, many are hopeful it will bring closure to the case.
A molar tooth is reportedly among the bones sent for testing as well as a part of the skull. The DNA will be compared to that of Orlandi and Gregori to determine whether or not there is a match.
In his comments to Corriere della Sera, Arcudi said the age estimate of 25-35 years old for the skeleton is based on a variety of factors, including “the structure of the bones, whose development in this case tells us the person very probably was 25 years old.”
Arcudi also cautioned against jumping to the conclusion that the bones belong to a woman, saying there can only be surety when the DNA results are in. On the finding of the new bones, Arcudi voiced hope that the fragments will help identify the person, whom he doubts will turn out to be Orlandi.
“In truth, I never had the impression that she was involved,” he said.
In comments to Corriere, the Orlandi family lawyer, Laura Sgro, said the finding of the new bones does not change anything for the family. “We don’t know if Emanuela is dead and, if she is dead, we don’t know when,” she said, adding that “we ae waiting for the DNA test.”
Orlandi’s brother, Pietro, told the paper he is anxious to get a confirmation on the gender, as there is still doubt if the bones in fact belong to a woman. However, Pietro said he is convinced that the person, whoever it is, was brought to the location after their death, which is “demonstrated by the fact that the skeleton is not complete and above all that it was found without clothes or jewelry.”
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