From another Skype room with Winston Shrout this morning. Worth a read. (RV related)

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From another Skype room with Winston Shrout this morning. Worth a read. (RV related)

Posted By: igots2no
Date: Monday, 8-Sep-2014 15:09:51

Report: It’s YOUR Fault: Fed Says Americans Who “Hoard Money” Are To Blame For Poor Economy http://www.activistpost.com/2014/09/report-its-your-fault-fed-says.html#more ———- [10:51:45 AM] Alexander Carmichael: what kind of money are they ‘hoarding’ … real equity generated money or just money on account? There is a difference between hoarding and warehousing of value. Although the Fed can create money of account via computer, it can’t create equitable money which is produced by actual labor [10:53:32 AM] Alexander Carmichael: maybe we need some new words when talking about money … money which has exchangeable value and money which is used to settle public accounts [10:54:14 AM] Alexander Carmichael: a square is a rectangle but a retangle is not a square kind of thing [10:59:43 AM] Alexander Carmichael: I question becoming better educated on Iraqi political structure than knowing who is running your local PTA [11:02:10 AM] Alexander Carmichael: ICC is run by criiminals … who investigate criminals ??? give me a break [11:10:00 AM] Alexander Carmichael: labor is finite … 100 people can only work so many hours and produce so much. Banks fractionalize on the labor of those people and create money on account … bookkeeping ledger money which only has value when redeemed by labor. I have been following all of this dinar stuff for a long time. If they value of the investment increases 10X … where is the labor to redeem that 10X … has the whole world gone crazy? [11:12:16 AM] Alexander Carmichael: if there is 100 trillion dollars in circulation but there is only 10 trillion dollars worth of product to buy/sell … what are we to do with the remaining 90trillion? [11:13:00 AM] Alexander Carmichael: repeat … has the whole world gone crazy? [11:14:21 AM] Alexander Carmichael: has dinarianism turned into just another in a long series of false religions? [11:15:47 AM] Alexander Carmichael: the RV is not about redeeming the dinars printed up in excessive amounts … it was for the purpose of breaking the hold of the Biush/Rockefeller cabal on the assets of the Middle East [11:17:26 AM] Alexander Carmichael: did the investors in the dinars give equity money in exchange for the worthless dinars? Hmmm … I would prefer taking my chances in Las Vegas … at least the pit boss would give me a chit for a free buffet [11:19:18 AM] Alexander Carmichael: hopefully the revaluation would tie a national currency directly to the GNP … what the people are REALLY producing. … and to break down the control of the central banks which are held privately … make the national treasuries strong … revitalize the national treasuries with equitable money [11:20:23 AM] Alexander Carmichael: ALL MONEY IS FIAT [11:20:51 AM] Alexander Carmichael: it is a MEDIUM … when you want to speak to the dead you go to a ‘medium’ [11:22:31 AM] Alexander Carmichael: gold is a commodity … gold is not money … we can agree to ‘use’ gold as money, but after everything is said and done, it is a fiat/fake value … can’t eat gold or money … I prefer peanut butter sandwiches myself [11:23:17 AM] Alexander Carmichael: put government in its proper place and everyone will have prosperity [11:24:48 AM] Alexander Carmichael: in the US by its constitution only gold and silver can be used as ‘money’ … oops, what happened? The gov’t changed and the ‘money’ changed … oops [11:26:21 AM] Alexander Carmichael: government decided it was bigger than people … the sum of the parts was fractionalized with the government in control of the fiat parts … and the people bought their line of BS [11:27:14 AM] Alexander Carmichael: went from a warehouse type of accounting into double entry bookkeeping [11:27:29 AM] Alexander Carmichael: sovereigns use warehouse accounting … citizens use double entry [11:28:19 AM] Alexander Carmichael: originally ‘people’ were sovereign … they waived that for the mess of pattage called ‘privileges’ … oops, sovereigny went out the window [11:28:45 AM] Alexander Carmichael: sovereigns have ‘rights’ … citizens have ‘privileges’ [11:29:17 AM] Alexander Carmichael: I cringe everytime I hear the term ‘civil rights’ … oxymoron [11:29:38 AM] Alexander Carmichael: I agree with Cherie [11:30:38 AM] Alexander Carmichael: labor produced money=rights … computer generated money=privileges … not exactly representative but somewhat analagous [11:31:39 AM] Alexander Carmichael: we are in that transitional period right now [11:32:50 AM] Alexander Carmichael: make no mistakes … this whole financial matrix correction is orchestrated by St Germaine … with a little help from some friendly ETs and folks from Venus and Pluto and the inner earth types [11:33:09 AM] Alexander Carmichael: we are not alone [11:33:54 AM] Alexander Carmichael: consider the lilies of the field [11:35:53 AM] Alexander Carmichael: please re-evaluate … there will be no division of money amongst the population. We are moving toward unification of energy/labor … not division of real asets [11:36:39 AM] Alexander Carmichael: Kentucky state motto: united we stand, divided we fall … everyone should move to Kentucky [11:37:00 AM] Alexander Carmichael: well … maybe not move there … but still a good motto [11:37:58 AM] Alexander Carmichael: you don’t need banks or even warehouses when we arrive at a unity of purpose and unity of desire [11:38:38 AM] Alexander Carmichael: when we arrive at the point that we live the Golden Rule, all of this other stuff fades into history [11:39:28 AM] Alexander Carmichael: these are morality issues not finances [11:40:15 AM] Alexander Carmichael: again, Jim, the RV was never about the redemption of the dinar … the full purpose was to destroy the petro cabals [11:41:00 AM] Alexander Carmichael: had to break the ties to the FRN control [11:41:22 AM] Alexander Carmichael: if the dinar is put on a par with other GNP currencies, the FRN no longer controls [11:42:40 AM] Alexander Carmichael: if oil isn’t controlled by FRN, then that is the end of the cabal control [11:42:48 AM] Alexander Carmichael: that was the original reason Bush Sr attacked Sadam Hussein in the first place [11:43:42 AM] Alexander Carmichael: Sadam was demanding payment for oil in other than USD/FRN [11:43:59 AM] Alexander Carmichael: so Sr attacked and Jr kept up the attack [11:44:11 AM] Alexander Carmichael: RV puts an end to alll of that [11:46:07 AM] Alexander Carmichael: FRN is international currency … US only country on planet which did not have its own national currency … hence could not be RVed …that is why … finally… we are to have a national currency … call it TRN or whatever … otherwise US could not participate in international commerce [11:47:06 AM] Alexander Carmichael: the TRN will be evaluated according to our GNP … look for manufacturing to restart in US … finally, jobs [11:48:41 AM] Alexander Carmichael: the RV was finished the second week in last December … grandfather pushed the ‘go’ button last March … the thing that fouled it up was the death of Marcos in March … he was signatory on much of it … had to replace M with a new signatory [11:49:59 AM] Alexander Carmichael: grandfather pushed the ‘go’ button on reset on Friday, March 8th (I think but I might be a day off … international date line stuff) [11:50:32 AM] Alexander Carmichael: aside from the problems with Marcos death and O and Lew problems, it would be in effect right now [11:50:55 AM] Alexander Carmichael: even though you push a button, it still takes real people to put it into operation [11:52:49 AM] Alexander Carmichael: okay with me [11:54:02 AM] Alexander Carmichael: this could have all been ‘fixed’ immediately after WWII … things got out of hand … so I got drawn here in 1948 … grandfather is said to be 700 years old … maybe he is maybe not, can’t say …. this whole things has been in the works for a long time [11:54:43 AM] Alexander Carmichael: welcome to the Age of Aquarius [11:56:25 AM] Alexander Carmichael: I thought you all knew this??? I think I may have posted all of this over time … maybe now is the right time [11:56:57 AM] Alexander Carmichael: maybe I needed to put it all into one package/time line [11:57:58 AM] Alexander Carmichael: it just unfolds as we go along [11:58:38 AM] Alexander Carmichael: I honestly hope everyone is able to recoup their investments in the dinars and other currencies they have invested in [11:59:17 AM] Alexander Carmichael: it just isn’t clear how it will work out [12:01:35 PM] Alexander Carmichael: the tier 1 people have recovered … governments, etc. The tier 2 folks tried to screw the system … they are in custody or at least ankle bracelets from what I hear. Tier 3 types … small investors like on this site are still waiting … I have my fingers crossed for these. They the ones, the only ones, who can cause change at the grass roots level. Nothing will ever be improved in the world except at the grass roots level [12:05:57 PM] Alexander Carmichael: it has to do with the energetics manifested here on earth. Money may or may not represent energy. The only real money I use is what I have invested energy in. That has value. All other sources of ‘money’ to be of real value has to be redeemed with labor. That was what Bretton Woods, etc, was all about … create the money, redeem it with labor … rebuilt the destruction of the war [12:06:05 PM] Alexander Carmichael: debt is an illusion [12:09:09 PM] Alexander Carmichael: a debt to be a valid debt has to have a redemption … that is why all of these derivatives, etc., are worthless … they can’t be redeemed. All of this ‘debt’ (and it really isn’t a debt) created by banks the government deficit spending is not really a debt .. only an illusion of debt … used to control the people who ‘believe’ is the false dogma of the false religion of church of finance [12:10:00 PM] Alexander Carmichael: ask them to prove that they loaned you any money [12:11:37 PM] Alexander Carmichael: St Germaine is in charge of the financial matrix … Lady Portia, aka Lady Justice, is cleaning up the justice system [12:12:55 PM] Alexander Carmichael: it might interest you to know that the judges retirement funds are vested in the banking/mortgage industry … always a conflict on interest when we go to court on mortgage issues … small wonder that the sword Lady Portia carries is really sharp [12:13:31 PM] Alexander Carmichael: double edge sword … cuts in both directions [12:16:10 PM] d t: (wave) all… this room is a great read this morning!! great info!! [12:39:57 PM] Alexander Carmichael: more going on behind scenes that what is apparent … all good … we mere mortals have ‘friends’ in high places … not everyone at high levels are bad. RV is just one piece of a much larger puzzle http://www.stage2omega.com/interesting-conversation-this-morning-in-one-of-the-skype-rooms/